General Won't Promise More Iraq Pullouts

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ROBERT BURNS | April 8, 2008 11:05 PM EST | AP

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Gen. David Petraeus testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, April 8, 2008, before the Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on the status of the war in Iraq. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

WASHINGTON — The top U.S. commander in Iraq told Congress Tuesday that hard-won gains in the war zone are too fragile to promise any troop pullouts beyond this summer, holding his ground against impatient Democrats and refusing to commit to more withdrawals before President Bush leaves office in January.

Army Gen. David Petraeus painted a picture of a nation struggling to suppress violence among its own people and to move toward the political reconciliation that Bush said a year ago was the ultimate aim of his new Iraq strategy, which included sending more than 20,000 extra combat troops.

Security is getting better, and Iraq's own forces are becoming more able, Petraeus said. But he also ticked off a list of reasons for worry, including the threat of a resurgence of Sunni or Shiite extremist violence. He highlighted Iran as a special concern, for its training and equipping of extremists.

In back-to-back appearances before two Senate committees, Petraeus was told by a parade of Democrats that, after five years of war, it was past time to turn over much more of the war burden to the Iraqis. Those senators said Iraq will not attain stability until the United States makes the decision to begin withdrawing in large numbers and forces the Iraqis to settle their differences.

Republican Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio, a longtime critic of the administration's war strategy, told Petraeus: "The American people have had it up to here."

Petraeus responded, "I certainly share the frustration."

But when it came to promising or predicting a timetable for further withdrawals, Petraeus didn't budge. He said he had recommended to Bush that he complete, by the end of July, the withdrawal of the 20,000 extra troops. Beyond that, the general proposed a 45-day period of "consolidation and evaluation," to be followed by an indefinite period of assessment before he would recommend any further pullouts.

The Petraeus plan, which Bush is expected to embrace, reflects a conservative approach that leaves open the possibility that roughly 140,000 U.S. troops could remain in Iraq when the president leaves office next year.

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On Thursday Bush will make a speech about the war, now in its sixth year, and his decision about troop levels.

In exchanges with several senators, Petraeus refused to say when he thought it would be safe to resume troop reductions beyond July without risking "fragile and reversible" security gains.

Asked Sen. Carl Levin, chairman of the Armed Services Committee: "Could that be a month, could that be two months?"

Petraeus began to respond: "Sir, it could be less than that. It could be. ..."

Levin: "Could it be more than that?"

Petraeus: "It could be more than that. Again, it's when the conditions are met that we can make a recommendation for further reductions."

Levin: "Could it be three months?"

Petraeus: "Sir, again, at the end of the period of consolidation and evaluation. ..."

On they went in the same vein, even after a demonstrator _ "Bring them home! Bring them home!" _ interrupted the hearing and was escorted out.

When Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., started in again later, Petraeus said it would defy logic to establish a timetable before knowing what conditions will be like this summer.

"If you believe as I do _ and the commanders on the ground believe _ that the way forward on reductions should be conditions-based then it is just flat not responsible to try to put down a stake in the ground and say this is when it would be or that is when it would be," Petraeus said.

One of three senators who could be the new president by January, Hillary Rodham Clinton, said much earlier, not in a response to Petraeus, that she disagreed with those who criticized lawmakers who are calling for an orderly withdrawal.

"Rather, I think it could be fair to say that it might well be irresponsible to continue the policy that has not produced the results that have been promised time and time again at such tremendous cost to our national security and to the men and women who wear the uniform of the United States military," she said.

Sen. Barack Obama, her rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, told Petraeus that while he wants U.S. troops out of Iraq he would not initiate a precipitous withdrawal. And he said talking regularly to the Iranians is critical to getting to the point where it would be safe to end American involvement.

"I do not believe we are going to be able to stabilize the situation without them," Obama said.

War supporter John McCain, who will be the GOP nominee, said: "Our goal _ my goal _ is an Iraq that no longer needs American troops. And I believe we can achieve that goal, perhaps sooner than many imagine. But I also believe that to promise a withdrawal of our forces, regardless of the consequences, would constitute a failure of political and moral leadership."

Petraeus said his plan is supported by Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who has been notably public in his expressions of concern that the heavy commitment of troops in Iraq has limited U.S. military options elsewhere and has put enormous strain on troops and their families.

Petraeus made no mention of reducing soldiers' tours of duty in Iraq from the current 15 months to 12 months, but the administration is expected to announce a decision to do that this week. It would take effect this summer, coinciding with the completion of the drawdown to 15 combat brigades in Iraq.

Petraeus said the recent flare-up of violence in Basra, in Baghdad and elsewhere points up the importance of the cease-fire declared last year by anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and highlighted the role Iran allegedly plays in funding and training Shiite militias through cells the U.S. military calls "special groups."

"Unchecked, the special groups pose the greatest long-term threat to the viability of a democratic Iraq," Petraeus said.

Testifying beside Petraeus was Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Baghdad, who also focused on the violence in Basra, where Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki dispatched Iraqi security forces to combat Shiite militias.

"Taken as a snapshot, with scenes of increasing violence, and masked gunmen in the streets, it is hard to see how this situation supports a narrative of progress in Iraq," Crocker said. "There is still very much to be done to bring full government control to the streets of Basra and eliminate entrenched extremist, criminal, and militia groups. When viewed with a broader lens, the Iraqi decision to combat these groups in Basra has major significance."

WASHINGTON — The top U.S. commander in Iraq told Congress Tuesday that hard-won gains in the war zone are too fragile to promise any troop pullouts beyond this summer, holding his ground against...
WASHINGTON — The top U.S. commander in Iraq told Congress Tuesday that hard-won gains in the war zone are too fragile to promise any troop pullouts beyond this summer, holding his ground against...
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- McSurgent I'm a Fan of McSurgent 2 fans permalink

God bless the American troops
Allah bless the Iraqi troops
God Damn - well I'll leave that to those with the Wright stuff!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 04/08/2008
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GFY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 04/08/2008

Secret US plan for military future in Iraq
It is amazing what our media will not tell us.
“A confidential draft agreement covering the future of US forces in Iraq, passed to the Guardian, shows that provision is being made for an open-ended military presence in the country.”
Here is the link:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/08/iraq.usa

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 04/08/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1644 fans permalink
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There, see? McBomb knew what he was talking about. 100 years? 1000 years? No problem.

The only problem is that China might decide not to let us borrow any more to fight this perpetual war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 04/08/2008
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McCain's 100 Year War goes on!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 04/08/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1644 fans permalink
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Look at the positive side. We are already done with 5. Only 95 more years to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 04/08/2008
- hope I'm a Fan of hope 82 fans permalink

If we'd only started when McCain was born, it would be nearly over by now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 04/08/2008
- procrustes I'm a Fan of procrustes 4 fans permalink

94 bottles of beer on the wall, 94 bottle of beeerr....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 04/08/2008
- ZsaZsa I'm a Fan of ZsaZsa 41 fans permalink

Our top general's name rhymes with "betray us," and our ambassador's name is CROCKer. Sounds like something Joseph Heller would come up with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 04/08/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1644 fans permalink
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Get ready to be call un-American and to go live in Cuba. The little fascistos are out in full force today, waving their made-in-China flags.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 04/08/2008

ZsaZsa : That's way too true.

( Our speechifyer's Sec'y. of puttin' edumacations on our childrens is M. Spellings )...

Starting to see a recurrent theme within the McFlightsuit Regime ??


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 04/08/2008
- Beelzebul I'm a Fan of Beelzebul 63 fans permalink
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Saddam ordered four Air Iraq passenger planes to become guided flying missiles on 9-11; a clear act of war. This wasn't a war of choice but one of necessity. It'll end at Bush's choosing and not at the choosing of loser libs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 04/08/2008

Another Grimm Brothers' fairy tale from Rumplestiltskin-you must have been sleeping for the last 7 years! It wold be a shame if you could procreate AND vote!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 04/08/2008
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What?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 04/08/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1644 fans permalink
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And those were his WMDs. He used them all on 9/11.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 04/08/2008
- francoise I'm a Fan of francoise 18 fans permalink

With all due respect, Hume, for once I have to strongly disagree with you assertion.

Despite the fact that Eyerack is nicknamed the sandbox, I happened to see on objective TV reports that there remained quite a few stones on the ground, which could become deadly weapons if seized by unfriendly hands.

Not to mention some bricks in the rubbles of Bagdad and Basra.

You might have not realized the potential damage of a well thrown stone. I just wanted to make it clear to you, so that you behave more reasonably unsafe from now on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 04/08/2008

and you can be sure that no one aided these 19 poorly trained Iraqis--to think otherwise would qualify you for membership in the Order of the Tinfoil Helmet. Obviously there was no conspiring going on behindthe scenes on 911. And you can be sure that the folks on the recieving end of all those trillions of dollars of war profits certainly were unhappy about the whole 911 thing, and they really really wish it had never happened

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 04/08/2008
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 73 fans permalink
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What kind of drugs you on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 04/08/2008
- mimsnpips I'm a Fan of mimsnpips 12 fans permalink
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I didn't know they were "Air Iraq" planes, thx for clearing that up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 04/08/2008

Funny! You should take your show on the road.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 04/08/2008
- The5thW I'm a Fan of The5thW 6 fans permalink

Dems control the Senate, and yet you get these obviously caricature plants of "protesters" in every shot. Are these people really fit for rule?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 04/08/2008
- Veri I'm a Fan of Veri 20 fans permalink

The Lesser of Two Evils. And not by much. Hey, at least they throw the American's some bones every once in awhile. You are just a pet to occasionally scratch behind the ear. Nothing more, nothing less. Just like a good and loyal pet, you will vote for The Party. Thus ensuring the continuation of the status quo where you become poorer, and they move overseas once the country is completely looted. Leaving you behind in a country that will look like post-Soviet Russia.

However, you do ask the right question. "Are they fit to rule?". What is the answer? No, the Demo-Republicans are not fit to rule.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 04/08/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1644 fans permalink
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What exactly are you trying to say, little puppy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 04/08/2008
- browndog2 I'm a Fan of browndog2 6 fans permalink

I believe he's saying this is a made for TV Democratic show hearing,using props to get 6 O'clock air time. Get it now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 04/08/2008
- mimsnpips I'm a Fan of mimsnpips 12 fans permalink
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It's called "freedom of speech". I bet you weren't around in the '60s.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 04/08/2008
- Wiredwilly I'm a Fan of Wiredwilly 23 fans permalink

What bullshit. Watch the AARON RUSSO YouTube Video interview on Nick Rockefeller. Congress should stop check into THAT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 04/08/2008
- gotalife I'm a Fan of gotalife 22 fans permalink

Well, w finally shed some tears on the fallen Naval Seal at his ceremony.

Well done CNN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 04/08/2008
- McSurgent I'm a Fan of McSurgent 2 fans permalink

Time to dust off your prayer rugs Obamans, the Dalai Obama is coming up!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 04/08/2008
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Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone elses opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 04/08/2008
- mimsnpips I'm a Fan of mimsnpips 12 fans permalink
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Well written, get the point across without being flagged. Why must you be racist? Wouldn't you be happier on a neo site? No. You are attempting to spread your hate around. Good for our country right??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 04/08/2008

I didn't know Christians needed prayer rugs to pray to the Jewish rabbi,Jesus!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 04/08/2008
- NotWaldo I'm a Fan of NotWaldo 44 fans permalink
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Here's a speech Barack Obama made in OCTOBER 2002. The MAN was ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about the Iraq war.

"I don’t oppose all wars. [...]

What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Perle and Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of UNDETERMINED LENGHT, at UNDETERMINED COST, with UNDETERMINED CONSEQUENCES . I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 04/08/2008
- Veri I'm a Fan of Veri 20 fans permalink

I love comments like McSurgent above. Probably posted just to stir up some trouble for fun and ignorance. Of course, if he really thinks like this, I bet he has an I.Q. around The President's, of eighty-four. Making McSurgent much less intelligent than the average American.

Of course, as Americans, I question your sanity and judgement when you vote for a Democrat or Republican at the polling stations this November. Just so happens that over the last thirty to forty years, America has been in decline as an economic superpower. And I can only recall two parties that have controlled Congress, The Administration, and The Judiciary. Can you guess who they are?

Keep voting for the Demo-Republicans so you can further be kicked in the face by the government boot. This is not your government anymore. The sooner you realize this, the better off you will be in effecting change for a brighter future as a second rate power in the world. Instead of a former superpower turned ghetto third-world nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 04/08/2008
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I'm not sure but do we own Iraq? Colin Powell did say if we break it we own it. Can we just declare Iraq the 51st State and make it official?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 04/08/2008
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Great idea, then Iraq can get in line right behind Louisiana (uh, that would make it last on the list for those keeping track.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 04/08/2008
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 73 fans permalink
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tsk tsk doncha know it's better that taxpayer money go OUT of the country than to stay in the country where it could be used on taxpayer's needs rather than other country's needs.

so saith the neocon book.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 04/08/2008
- Donnat I'm a Fan of Donnat 23 fans permalink

No, it would come before Louisiana by virture of having more oil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 04/08/2008
- Gordon I'm a Fan of Gordon 29 fans permalink
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No "willing suspension of disbelief" line from Bosnian war vet Hillary Clinton? I wonder why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 04/08/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 271 fans permalink

Garbage goes in the receptacle, out back, labeled "Garbage".

Nothing about the "phony" hospital story that turns out to be TRUE?

Parrot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 04/08/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1644 fans permalink
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Perhaps because some have seen this:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=78e_1189619041

It is not just McCain that we should worry about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 04/08/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1644 fans permalink
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The lying General's invention of al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) served its purpose. It allowed him to attack and bomb and kill innocent Iraqis and freedom fighters, simply by declaring that they were part of or sympathetic to AQI.

He now needs a new invention to go after the Shia. Hence:

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"...highlighted the role Iran allegedly plays in funding and training Shiite militias through cells the U.S. military calls "special groups."

"Unchecked, the special groups pose the greatest long-term threat to the viability of a democratic Iraq," Petraeus said.

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The new invention is this "Special Groups". This is a better invention because this would not only allow killing and bombing of Shia civilians, it will also allow Cheney and Bush (and now McCain) to use the Kyl/Leiberman Amendment authority to attack Iran.

Going forward, I fully expect a lot of talk about "Special Groups" by Bush and McCain.

The bogus nuclear weapons claim against Iran having been exposed as yet another Bush-Cheney fraud, a case is being made to attack Iran by creating a fictitious new enemy called "Special Groups".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 04/08/2008
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Nothing fictitious about them, Hume. We got one of them "special groups" right here in my company. They show up an hour late, leave an hour early and have dinner at the CEO's house on Saturday nights. Personally, I think Petraeus should shoot them and quick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 04/08/2008
- timothe I'm a Fan of timothe 7 fans permalink

Once again, the four star general has much more street cred than HumeSkeptic. Hume's trying to make it sound like we're going after the Shia, when it is actually the Iraqi Security forces that are doing so.

Everything I heard today from Petraeus sounded like we're drawing down and will continue to draw down when it is responsible and possible to do so. I'm not sure how anyone could have heard something vastly different unless they didn't actually listen to the testimony.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 04/08/2008
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Define responsible and possible ... requires subjective judgement, doesn't it. That's the point. The mindless sheep blather on their way to slaughter and eschew those trying to save them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 04/08/2008
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 73 fans permalink
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get an ear flush to rid yourself of any unnecessary matter in your head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 04/08/2008

Glad to see you agree we're policing a civil war in Iraq! When the Shiite Iraq Security forces "go after" the Shia-another name for Shiites, it's even more than a civil war! Glad to see you agree with the Dems on this!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 04/08/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1644 fans permalink
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Once again, the four star general has much more street cred than HumeSkeptic.
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Of course he does. But then, it's not Petraeus against HumeSkeptic, is it?

Tell me little fascisto, aren't we suppoting the "Iraqi Security Forces" that are killing Shia? And who did we kill when our planes dropped bombs in Basra? Hindus?

Grow up. Petraeus is a politician. Most General are. And they lie. Ever heard of Wesmoreland? No?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 04/08/2008
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Once more, everyone named tim*** on this blog is fecal matter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 04/08/2008
- mimsnpips I'm a Fan of mimsnpips 12 fans permalink
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Very observant. I'm sure you are right, I'll listen for these new 'key words'. Thx HS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 04/08/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 271 fans permalink

Always enjoy a game of slow-pitch softball between Congress and the military.

Let's break it down...

Some armed thugs, without justification, break into your house, hold the family at gunpoint and commence shooting family members. The cops, stationed outside, order the thugs to put down their arms and exit.

The thugs huddle, point out that they're killing far fewer family members than initially and, besides, complying with the cops' orders would constitute a "defeat"... so they decide they'll shoot it out.

News coverage includes extensive reporting of the thugs' discussion.

Smells like Republican teen spirit... someone get the room freshener.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 04/08/2008
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"It is very dangerous," she added, as three pickup trucks sped by, packed with heavily armed men wearing the uniforms of Iraqi special forces.

"Those were Americans," said an Iraqi soldier wearing wrap-around sunglasses despite the pall cast by the numerous fires set during the fighting.

"The Americans know that the Mahdi Army doesn't target the Iraqi security forces so now they are dressing like Iraqis," added the soldier, expressing a belief, whether true or not, that now seems to be taken as gospel on the streets of the impoverished township of around two million people.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080408/wl_mideast_afp/iraqunrestsadrcity_080408165832

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 04/08/2008

Does anyone besides me think that Lindsey Graham is a closet wide-stancer ? (Not that there's anything wrong with that). Really, the kisses he's throwing to Petraeus are embarrasing, though not surprising. I'll bet he had a crush on his high school's quarterback too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 04/08/2008
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 73 fans permalink
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My goodness yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 04/08/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 271 fans permalink

Leapin' Lindsey's a regular war hero... flew a desk at the Judge Advocate General's office, where the fightin's hot and heavy (in between liquid lunches).

What a simpering, apologist, baggy-pants dweeb. A nice, firm smack on the back of his head would be about right.

... or, maybe, a little refresher deployment in Anbar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 04/08/2008
- dartagnan I'm a Fan of dartagnan 51 fans permalink
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There's something so ... so ... so MANLY about a man in uniform! (Swoon.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 04/08/2008
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