General Won't Promise More Iraq Pullouts

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ROBERT BURNS | April 8, 2008 11:05 PM EST | AP

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Gen. David Petraeus testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, April 8, 2008, before the Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on the status of the war in Iraq. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

WASHINGTON — The top U.S. commander in Iraq told Congress Tuesday that hard-won gains in the war zone are too fragile to promise any troop pullouts beyond this summer, holding his ground against impatient Democrats and refusing to commit to more withdrawals before President Bush leaves office in January.

Army Gen. David Petraeus painted a picture of a nation struggling to suppress violence among its own people and to move toward the political reconciliation that Bush said a year ago was the ultimate aim of his new Iraq strategy, which included sending more than 20,000 extra combat troops.

Security is getting better, and Iraq's own forces are becoming more able, Petraeus said. But he also ticked off a list of reasons for worry, including the threat of a resurgence of Sunni or Shiite extremist violence. He highlighted Iran as a special concern, for its training and equipping of extremists.

In back-to-back appearances before two Senate committees, Petraeus was told by a parade of Democrats that, after five years of war, it was past time to turn over much more of the war burden to the Iraqis. Those senators said Iraq will not attain stability until the United States makes the decision to begin withdrawing in large numbers and forces the Iraqis to settle their differences.

Republican Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio, a longtime critic of the administration's war strategy, told Petraeus: "The American people have had it up to here."

Petraeus responded, "I certainly share the frustration."

But when it came to promising or predicting a timetable for further withdrawals, Petraeus didn't budge. He said he had recommended to Bush that he complete, by the end of July, the withdrawal of the 20,000 extra troops. Beyond that, the general proposed a 45-day period of "consolidation and evaluation," to be followed by an indefinite period of assessment before he would recommend any further pullouts.

The Petraeus plan, which Bush is expected to embrace, reflects a conservative approach that leaves open the possibility that roughly 140,000 U.S. troops could remain in Iraq when the president leaves office next year.

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On Thursday Bush will make a speech about the war, now in its sixth year, and his decision about troop levels.

In exchanges with several senators, Petraeus refused to say when he thought it would be safe to resume troop reductions beyond July without risking "fragile and reversible" security gains.

Asked Sen. Carl Levin, chairman of the Armed Services Committee: "Could that be a month, could that be two months?"

Petraeus began to respond: "Sir, it could be less than that. It could be. ..."

Levin: "Could it be more than that?"

Petraeus: "It could be more than that. Again, it's when the conditions are met that we can make a recommendation for further reductions."

Levin: "Could it be three months?"

Petraeus: "Sir, again, at the end of the period of consolidation and evaluation. ..."

On they went in the same vein, even after a demonstrator _ "Bring them home! Bring them home!" _ interrupted the hearing and was escorted out.

When Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., started in again later, Petraeus said it would defy logic to establish a timetable before knowing what conditions will be like this summer.

"If you believe as I do _ and the commanders on the ground believe _ that the way forward on reductions should be conditions-based then it is just flat not responsible to try to put down a stake in the ground and say this is when it would be or that is when it would be," Petraeus said.

One of three senators who could be the new president by January, Hillary Rodham Clinton, said much earlier, not in a response to Petraeus, that she disagreed with those who criticized lawmakers who are calling for an orderly withdrawal.

"Rather, I think it could be fair to say that it might well be irresponsible to continue the policy that has not produced the results that have been promised time and time again at such tremendous cost to our national security and to the men and women who wear the uniform of the United States military," she said.

Sen. Barack Obama, her rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, told Petraeus that while he wants U.S. troops out of Iraq he would not initiate a precipitous withdrawal. And he said talking regularly to the Iranians is critical to getting to the point where it would be safe to end American involvement.

"I do not believe we are going to be able to stabilize the situation without them," Obama said.

War supporter John McCain, who will be the GOP nominee, said: "Our goal _ my goal _ is an Iraq that no longer needs American troops. And I believe we can achieve that goal, perhaps sooner than many imagine. But I also believe that to promise a withdrawal of our forces, regardless of the consequences, would constitute a failure of political and moral leadership."

Petraeus said his plan is supported by Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who has been notably public in his expressions of concern that the heavy commitment of troops in Iraq has limited U.S. military options elsewhere and has put enormous strain on troops and their families.

Petraeus made no mention of reducing soldiers' tours of duty in Iraq from the current 15 months to 12 months, but the administration is expected to announce a decision to do that this week. It would take effect this summer, coinciding with the completion of the drawdown to 15 combat brigades in Iraq.

Petraeus said the recent flare-up of violence in Basra, in Baghdad and elsewhere points up the importance of the cease-fire declared last year by anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and highlighted the role Iran allegedly plays in funding and training Shiite militias through cells the U.S. military calls "special groups."

"Unchecked, the special groups pose the greatest long-term threat to the viability of a democratic Iraq," Petraeus said.

Testifying beside Petraeus was Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Baghdad, who also focused on the violence in Basra, where Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki dispatched Iraqi security forces to combat Shiite militias.

"Taken as a snapshot, with scenes of increasing violence, and masked gunmen in the streets, it is hard to see how this situation supports a narrative of progress in Iraq," Crocker said. "There is still very much to be done to bring full government control to the streets of Basra and eliminate entrenched extremist, criminal, and militia groups. When viewed with a broader lens, the Iraqi decision to combat these groups in Basra has major significance."

WASHINGTON — The top U.S. commander in Iraq told Congress Tuesday that hard-won gains in the war zone are too fragile to promise any troop pullouts beyond this summer, holding his ground against...
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- 2warvet I'm a Fan of 2warvet 13 fans permalink
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Blah, blah, blah, Bush lied, people died, no end in site, blood for oil.......­.

Deal with it we are going to be in Iraq for a long time (Korea, Germany, etc.) It doesn't matter who get elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 04/08/2008
- mach I'm a Fan of mach 12 fans permalink

another badass speaks, thanks for your service and comment

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 04/08/2008
- 2warvet I'm a Fan of 2warvet 13 fans permalink
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So we pull out and then what????? Power vaccum? Another unstable government like the Taliban? Iraq is only different because of the need for a US presence to keep it stable.

All of you who think otherwise are foolish. Of course if I had the same rose colored glasses I guess I would be delusional too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 04/08/2008
- serialcoma I'm a Fan of serialcoma 122 fans permalink
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Oh.. well that's a reasonable reason to stay the course. NOT. You are a buffoon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 04/08/2008
- FiddleDD2 I'm a Fan of FiddleDD2 10 fans permalink

Iraq is not Korea and Germany...­everyone but McSame knows that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 04/08/2008
- wmbear I'm a Fan of wmbear 24 fans permalink

IRAQ IS NOT JAPAN. Iraq is not Germany. Iraq is not South Korea. The occupied Japanese never mounted an insurgency that took a heavy toll of U.S. forces. The occupied Germans never mounted an insurgency that took a heavy toll of U.S. forces. The occupied South Koreans never mounted an insurgency that took a heavy toll of U.S. forces. What a stupid, stupid, stupid analogy...­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 04/08/2008
- SonnyBono I'm a Fan of SonnyBono 21 fans permalink

True - but if you ask the South Koreans, the majority see us as a roadblock to Korean reunification and would like to see us gone like we were asked to leave the Phillippines.
I'm pretty sure the Germans and Japanese would be grateful for what we did in the past but all things considered - would prefer to see us leave.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 04/08/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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John McCain announces his running-mate and cabinet:

Vice President - David Petraeus

Secretary of State - David Petraeus

Secretary of Defense - David Petraeus

Secretary Homeland Security - Joe Lieberman

Secretary of Interior - David Petraeus

Secretary of Labor - David Petraeus

Secretary of Agriculture - David Petraeus

Attorney General - Lindsey Graham

Secretary of Transportation - David Petraeus

Secretary of Health and Human Services - David Petraeus

Secretary of Education - David Petraeus

Secretary of Energy - David Petraeus

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 04/08/2008
- neocon43 I'm a Fan of neocon43 29 fans permalink

Sounds great.When can we vote?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 04/08/2008
- LORISNJ I'm a Fan of LORISNJ 37 fans permalink
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We are there to make sure that Iraq doesn't fall into the hands of our enemies. We are paying them to not attack us and if we stop paying them they will use the weapons we paid for against us. They have a surplus of money from the sale of oil (more if they would only trade in Euros) but we can't seem to get them to pay for reconstruction or their own security forces (we pay $100 million a year just for Iraqi security forces salaries). We won't even consider making all our aid a loan instead of a giveaway.

We will know when to leave but we don't know when that will be.

Makes perfect sense if your don't want to leave.

Iran is the problem folks, its Iran. What the hell is our Middle Eastern Policy anyway - in for a penny, in for a pound?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 04/08/2008
- zenx98 I'm a Fan of zenx98 6 fans permalink

The Iran canard is the biggest fable being foisted in the continuing never-ending narrative against terror. In the Senate Foreign Relations Hearings that preceded Petraus, Either General McCafferty or Odom stated that Iran has no love for Al Qaeda and an "un-natural" relationship with Russia that could be exploited through enlightened negotiations. It would remove Russia (who together with China have already held joint war games anticipating "a country torn by civil war and sectarian violence) from the equation and would finally liberate the route of the Caspian Sea pipeline which is what this whole stinkiin pile has been about in the first place!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 04/08/2008

OMG! I FOUND A DITTOHEAD! Your idiotic "Iran is the problem, folks" is a Rush Limbuagh quote, proving that you are an idiot. Please stay away from sites like this. You're embarassing. You can't compete intellectually, and for crying out loud, stay away from a voting booth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 04/08/2008
- laocoon I'm a Fan of laocoon 31 fans permalink

I think you missed the curve ball there.
That was not the comment of a ditto head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 04/08/2008

I guess Rumsfeld is still on board,Ask Colin Powell,how long the lid on the steam kettel will last?

We are paying full price for Oil IN Iraq for our army! The IRAQ Govt has a surplus of 60 billion.

Having troops stay in IRAQ for 5 or 6 tours lessen the abililty of our forces! Army forces are truly

strained,ask Wesley Clark!! America's households are paying $300.00 a month for war,food prices

soaring,fuel all time high.Healt­h-care high,Education high.....W­hen you take nation to war,take

everyone,not just the masses,OOPS' you need another 30 billion from the FED. No worry,our addding machines are broken!

GOP ROSE COLOR WAR GLASSES ARE WEARING THIN?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 04/08/2008
- shanester I'm a Fan of shanester 13 fans permalink
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This was the Bush/Cheney plan all along. To invade, kill and steal the oil (or at least try to) and then leave it for future President(s) to make the tough decisions about withdrawl.

Those two a-holes are a human disgrace

I don't necessarily blame Patreus he's doing the best he can in a no win situation

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 04/08/2008
- laocoon I'm a Fan of laocoon 31 fans permalink

You dont need to steal the oil. Just limit the supply and the oil interests you have already will be worth much more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 04/08/2008

Poll suggests Iraqis 'optimistic'

A majority of Iraqis expressed confidence in the police
More than 50% of Iraqis think their lives are good, more than at any time in the last three years, a survey says.
The poll for the BBC, ABC, ARD and NHK of more than 2,000 people also suggests that a majority believe that security in their area has improved since 2007.

And while most Iraqis still believe US troops are making things worse, the number who want the Americans to pull out immediately has fallen.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7299569.stm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 04/08/2008
- CarlsV I'm a Fan of CarlsV 12 fans permalink

"A majority of Iraqis expressed confidence in the police "

Too bad they keep deserting their posts ... Hey - just like bushboy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 04/08/2008
- Duncan77 I'm a Fan of Duncan77 8 fans permalink

"A majority of Iraqis expressed confidence in the police"

That is only when the Iraqis in question are Shia and so are the police, otherwise they tend to lose their head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 04/08/2008
- SonnyBono I'm a Fan of SonnyBono 21 fans permalink

"More than 50% of Iraqis think their lives are good, more than at any time in the last three years, a survey says" - ya, right, buckie, BUT we have been there FIVE freaking years and does your cherry picking survey compare to the quality of life prior to the US invasion?

"The poll for the BBC, ABC, ARD and NHK of more than 2,000 people also suggests that a majority believe that security in their area has improved since 2007." - they would have polled more people but the others were either dead or had fled the country - since 2007 - we have been there for FIVE freaking years and people still don't have 24 hours of electricity or clean drinking water.

"And while most Iraqis still believe US troops are making things worse, the number who want the Americans to pull out immediately has fallen." - and in your world, this is a positive sign? The Iraqis think we are making things worse and they want us to leave. Agree - 100% - break out that "Mission Accomplished" banner and lets have a parade.

Ghost, all your claims of progress and success in Iraq are just a mirage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 04/08/2008

But for many Baghdadis, there is now a new anxiety: What happens when the Americans go? "If Petraeus leaves, or if he sends home 50,000 soldiers, will the peace survive? I don't think so," says Mithal Alussi, a secular member of parliament with a reputation for straight talking. For all the changes I see and hear, what remains unchanged from a year ago is the mood. My friends and colleagues all warn me against reading too much into the signs of progress. They point out that this is not the first time things have seemed to get a little better, only to turn bad again. They remind me of dashed hopes after the two general elections in 2005, after the death of al-Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Mousab al-Zarqawi and after any number of unkept promises by al-Maliki.

The Baghdadis caught between these extremes know that the only thing standing in the way of another sectarian conflagration is the U.S. military. This may explain why every Iraqi who offers me a view on American politics seems to be praying for a McCain victory. A 100-year American military presence, of which McCain once spoke, may seem a bit much; I suspect most Iraqis would be happy with five.

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1727692,00.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 04/08/2008
- Duncan77 I'm a Fan of Duncan77 8 fans permalink

Still posting that crap huh Ghost. Surely it is time for you to cut and paste something else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 04/08/2008

And you're not fighting in George's "Romantic" War because ______________?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 04/08/2008
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Nobody buys your Bushit propaganda.

It's all cut and paste Drudge crapola.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 04/08/2008
- prscnt1 I'm a Fan of prscnt1 8 fans permalink

Ghost is a jerk. We are already there longer than WWII and have spent more money on this stupid war.

Frankly, I do not care if Sunnis, Shia, Kurds and others go drink each other's blood forever. It is not our responsibility to save them from themselves.

Finally, the oil will still be there after they have killed each other, and for taking.

Or, may be Iraqis will get their senses back and make peace among themselves and sell oil in Euro.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 04/08/2008
- Duncan77 I'm a Fan of Duncan77 8 fans permalink

But is is your duty to fix it. As Powell's pottery barn strategy goes "you broke it, you own it."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 04/08/2008

And why should we care more about what the Iraqis think than most Americans?? Fuck them-most of them want to kill us-or think it's ok for terrorists to kill American troops! Why give a flying f*ck about these people?? All we want is their oil-they can eat sand, for all most Americans-and especially me, think!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 04/08/2008

Fragile and reversabile: McNUTS' health and mindset! This man is a danger to the world-and his wife,who he has berrated with cursing in public more than once! Add to him his personal "remora fish"-Jewbierman and Lindsay Graham-the three stooges-and you have headaches up the kazoo!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 04/08/2008
- zendem1 I'm a Fan of zendem1 109 fans permalink

This is a plan that was hatched in the late 90's. It's all about oil. The PNAC called for regime change in Iraq in 1998. Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Abrams, Rumsfeld, etc) Cheney and the rest of those nuts, knew that the second largest oil reserves on the planet are in Iraq. Thats approximately 115 billion barrels. On February 2, 2001, the Bush officials circulated a memo entitled, "Plans for post-Saddam Iraq. Cheney was presented data that showed the planet was approaching "Peak Oil", the point at which the world's crude oil production begins to decline. So, the US needed to take Iraq's oil, and give themselves a firm foothold in the MIddle East, and begin the democratization of the region. The plan was to put Chalabi in charge, who was a puppet who would recognize Israel as well. Chalabi would basically be the United states bitch, and Exxon and Chevron would make a killing..
There will be no US withdrawl from Iraq, not now, not ever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 04/08/2008

American public support for the military effort in Iraq has reached a high point unseen since the summer of 2006, a development that promises to reshape the political landscape.

According to late February polling conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press, 53 percent of Americans " a slim majority " now believe "the U.S. will ultimately succeed in achieving its goals" in Iraq. That figure is up from 42 percent in September 2007.

The percentage of those who believe the war in Iraq is going "very well" or "fairly well" is also up, from 30 percent in February 2007 to 48 percent today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 04/08/2008
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 69 fans permalink
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Undoubted they see the future. With the repubs in charge we will be there forever or until the oil is gone and then it will be declared a WIN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 04/08/2008

And you're not fighting in George's "Romantic" War because ______________?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 04/08/2008
- CarlsV I'm a Fan of CarlsV 12 fans permalink

And yet 74% still want out troops home sparky (all polls average)!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 04/08/2008

That prove my point: the average American is a moronic, beer-swilling sloth-at best!!! They know more about NASCAR and WWE than how many dead Americans this quagmire has brought us!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 04/08/2008
- FiddleDD2 I'm a Fan of FiddleDD2 10 fans permalink

This was the "outlier" poll...all others consistently show that over 60% of Americans want us out of Iraq REGARDLESS of the situation on the ground. Cherry picking gets you nowhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 04/08/2008
- FiddleDD2 I'm a Fan of FiddleDD2 10 fans permalink

Here is an article linking to all the other polls showing that Americans are consistently against this war and want out:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/13/politico/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 04/08/2008
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DISMANTLE THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.

Stop them.

Stand up, Act out. Make it count. Peaceful but in their face.

DO IT NOW.

Find like minded people in your town and start organizing.

It's time we spend this money in a manner that constructs not destructs.

NO MORE EMPIRE. START BUILDING EARTH COMMUNITY. START TODAY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 04/08/2008

So, Petraeus' appearance has ended and we don't know any more than we did prior to his testimony. As a front man for the administration he did his job. He was duplicitous, disingenuous, and the perfect lackey. But you have to admire the number of ways he dodged answering any substantial questions. Another Stepford General.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 04/08/2008
- CarlsV I'm a Fan of CarlsV 12 fans permalink

Hey!

Give the guy a break ... 11 others turned down the job first!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 04/08/2008

ROFL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 04/08/2008
- NU81 I'm a Fan of NU81 2 fans permalink

A friend of our family has a son on his second tour of duty in Iraq. This young man is military to the core and couldn't wait to get to Iraq. He now tells his Dad all the time that he and his fellow soliders have lost sight of any "mission," are continually confused by why they are there, and the moral is horrible. His Dad is heartbroken and, frankly, so are we when we hear this. This young man serving our country is courageous, strong, and military minded, so his remarks came as a shock even to his father.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 04/08/2008
- shanester I'm a Fan of shanester 13 fans permalink
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very sad post!

Hopefully that young man and his buddies can come home alive...so­on

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 04/08/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Just what America needs - a President with dementia, who wanders the grounds of the White House in his pajamas handing out werther's candy to the children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 04/08/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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Heh!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 04/08/2008
- FCBarca I'm a Fan of FCBarca 10 fans permalink
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I suppose if you left it to the Hawks and military, there'd be no abating any kind of aggressive pursuit of an agenda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 04/08/2008
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