Pelosi: Reduce Number of Superdelegates

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LAURIE KELLMAN | April 8, 2008 04:50 PM EST | AP


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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of Calif. talks with college students, Jake Sherman, left, and Laura Plantholt, during a break in the taping of mtvU's "Editorial Board", Tuesday, April 8, 2008, on the campus of George Washington Universityin Washington. (AP Photo/Kevin Wolf)

WASHINGTON — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Tuesday she favors a reduction in the number of superdelegates _ and their oversized influence _ in choosing the Democratic Party's nominee.

Superdelegates such as Pelosi have bemoaned the protracted fight between Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama for the nomination. Neither candidate can win the nod based solely on pledged delegates. Rather the nearly 800 superdelegates _ members of Congress, election officials and party elders who aren't bound by state results _ will decide the nomination.

Asked how she would make the process more democratic, Pelosi recommended cutting the number of superdelegates.

"I think you diminish the number of them, you make sure everybody knows in advance what their role is, you make sure everybody knows how you can get to be one and you'll have a more open process," she said during a taping of mtvU "Editorial Board" show at George Washington University.

The California Democrat did not say how many superdelegates would be appropriate in future elections or how they should be chosen. But she criticized the influence of this year's group and said the party should do a better job making the public aware of the rules that give them such power.

Pelosi, who hasn't endorsed a candidate, has said it would be damaging to the Democratic Party for its leaders to buck the will of national convention delegates picked in primaries and caucuses. According to the latest Associated Press tally of delegates, Obama leads Clinton, 1,638-1,501. Clinton has the edge among superdelegates, 251-224.

No matter what the outcome of the 10 remaining contests, it will be nearly impossible for Clinton to overcome Barack Obama's lead in pledged delegates because they are awarded proportionally based on the outcome.

Last month, 20 top Democratic donors who are supporting Clinton criticized Pelosi for saying superdelegates should support the presidential candidate with the most pledged delegates.

Pelosi said Tuesday superdelegates should have a role in certain circumstances, such as quickly picking a new nominee if the original choice was suddenly unable to serve. Then again, Pelosi suggested, maybe the entire system needs an overhaul.

"Perhaps we should subject the whole electoral process in the country for president to some review and say, maybe it's regional primaries, but there must be a more orderly way to do this," she said.

The Republican Party is moving to regain control of its presidential primary calendar four years from now. A party rules committee voted last week to allow small states to hold nominating contests before big states in 2012, which would preserve the traditional roles of Iowa and New Hampshire as the earliest voting states. Larger states would be placed into three groups that would rotate the dates of their nominating contests.

 
 

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clearly, the entire election process in America needs an overhaul. The SuperD's are just one of several symptoms of the viral illness suffered within this system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 04/09/2008

Pelosi's way off here. The rules say winner must get 2,025. Why should he win. The rules say super-delegates must step in.

obama has won caucuses and got delegates dis-proportionally and that has to be resolved.
Read my article:
at

http://www.hillaryisourchoice.com/disprop3.htm

also, make sure the "GOOD OLD BOYS" don't try to push out the next female candidate

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 04/09/2008

I'm a woman and your insulting druidmary. Obama has the popular vote as well. In the end the superdelegates will go with the one who has the popular vote and the most states won! The good old girls isn't stealing this one from the rest of us girls! Were sick of you putting our gender down! Obama isn't doing it certainly! But people like you and Mrs. Clinton uses it every chance you get! It makes women look weak, and sapy! You do all of us injustice! She's loseing becausse of her lie's like Bosnia, Hosp. Baby, Mark Penn, Wolfson, and her husband and the behind your back Columbian deal! Well don't say she ain't Bill either---------Not after you connected Wright with Obama you don't deserve to use that phase now! We all knew She wasn't Bill Clinton! But she lives with him,make him a roveing Embassador while he does deals behind her back!Don't want to hear any one connect wright with Obama, unless they connect the columbian thing and Bill with Hillary! It's a done deal, and fair trade!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 04/09/2008

It's nice to have Leader Pelosi , with a solid handle on the big picture, in charge. After all, she immediately understood the importance of not rocking the Republican boat by refusing to consider impeachment. How farsighted was that! Now we can all rest easy knowing that the Republicans aren't upset with us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 04/09/2008

i think Pelosi is correct in this. I wish that super delegates would go away all together, however, I also wish that Nancy Pelosi had a little more credibility amongst the general population.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 04/09/2008

Totally agree with you. The situation for this election is set - but it needs to be fixed. And Pelosi needs to shut it and do her job. She's been relatively ineffective thus far.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 04/09/2008

"Government is the Entertainment Division of the military-industrial complex." and Nancy Pelosi (Souper Delegate) is a flimsy, modern-day try at being a Judy Garland cabaret entertainer. Similarly, Christine Pelosi (not so sooper delegate and the fruit of Pelosi's womb) is a Liza Mineli (fruit of Garland's womb) another similarly boring, unsuccessful mama-wanna-be on the stage hosted by the Military industrial (not so) complex. Unfortunately, when the curtain falls, the infrastructre follows and the nation will lie in a rumpled heap on the desert of Middle Eastern Oil bound by Chinese finger-cuffs. The only beauty in Pelosi washed down the sink with cosmetics residue about 25 years ago. She's just a Feinstein-following dog, sniffing for the dog chow in a closet on the gravy train. (Rhymes with "rich.") Leona Helmsly's dog would love a piece of this action. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/29/AR2007082900491.html)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 04/09/2008

is that any way to talk? what will they say back at the commune?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 04/09/2008

I think in future elections, they should get rid of the SD altogether. If you want to be a delegate, run for the position like everyone else does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 04/09/2008

Or only make elected officials superdelegates so it still represents some form of democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 04/09/2008

No, have a national primary election..........

geezuzz, you are still stuck in 1900 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 04/09/2008

States are individually responsible for primaries.

How do you propose co-ordinating 50 state legislatures plus several protectorates?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 04/09/2008

She's totally right.

The superdelegates started out much smaller in number, but have grown and grown.

Today they are some 20% of total delegates.

And many are NOT elected officials but just party hacks, insiders and even donors!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 04/09/2008

The superdelegates are a necessary evil so long as the Caucuses exist. In a sysstem where a handful of ringe wackos can use intimidation to manipulate teh outcome, there needs to be a check.

I agree that the superdelagates need to go; but so do the caucuses which are the real problem. Texas pretty much proved how ridiculously undemocratic a caucus is in and how easy it is to manipulate by fringe candidtaes in comparison to a primary. We need to go primary only and tru proportional represntation where the number of delegates is proportional to the percent or the vote (i.e., if you get 56% of teh vote, you get 56% of the delegates, not anywhere between 10 and 90% depending on some obtuse, "black box" arcane formula).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 04/09/2008

The Obama camp has always been citing rules. That is, if the rule is to their disadvantage, they want it changed. How convenient. And who does Pelosi think she is fooling? She can't even handle the mere suggestion of impeaching Bush and Cheney.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 04/09/2008

If we need to reduce the number of Super Delegates, I vote to start by taking tat status away from Pelosi. What a disappointment she has been as speaker of the house.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 04/09/2008

media bias? how about plain old sexism.....55% of americans support having a black president but only 35% support having a female president....women have known about blatant sexism for decades so it appears that a national dialogue about sexism should be a top priority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 04/09/2008

And why is your comment not sexist in nature? It runs both ways, you know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 04/09/2008

Ummmmm..... would you kindly point out what you find "sexist" in OkieMon's comment?

Whatever you see, eludes me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 04/09/2008

You and the other party leaders are just too afraid of making a rule that says that the superdelegates must vote for the candidate in the lead both in the popular vote and delegate vote. This other ploy of trying to reduce superdelegates is just a farce for what you're unwilling to do as a party leader.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 04/09/2008

The idea that Pelosi put forward? It absolutely contradicts the entire notion of super delegates who are asked to be independent.

That was the absurdity of her remarks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 04/09/2008

Unelected superdelegates are undemocratic. I think a commitment to democratic principals and the spirit of the rules trumps rigid enforcement of an undemocratic policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 04/09/2008


It's too late to change the rules. The Superdelegates get to choose the nominee. Nevermind that they're overwhelmingly white and male. So much for enlightenment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 04/09/2008

As a democrat, I find this whole process ridiculous. It should not be this hard to elect a nominee!!!

How about this:

count every vote

eliminate caucuses and replace them with primaries so everyone can vote

winner takes all

We would have had a nominee on Super Tuesday if we did this and that would have been Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 04/09/2008

I agree it would be a good idea to decide in a single election by voter count. Another idea would be to have an election to determine the top two and have a second election after that to determine the party candidate. It would eliminate states vying for importance and the possibility that delegates and superdelegates could overturn the primary/caucus outcome.

who would win is debatable because campaigns would be run differently and there would have been more candidates to choose from because no one would have dropped out because they weren't winning delegates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 04/09/2008

or perhaps there would have been a different campaign strategy from both candidates and Hillary would have found a way to blow that advantage as well.

it's all conjecture at this point and a waste of time to say that if only things had gone exactly the same under completely different circumstances, things would be different.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 04/09/2008

If we counted every vote, we would need to finish out the primary season, which would not have given Senator Clinton the win on Super Tuesday. Considering Senator Obama is ahead in the popular vote and might be even farther ahead had the caucus states conducted primaries, she would not necessarily have been the nominee even if the process was entirely conducted through primaries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 04/09/2008

Pelosi, you should be impeached for not upholding your oath of office. Next up should be your war crimes trial.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 04/09/2008

Agreed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 04/09/2008

How about we just count the votes????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 04/09/2008

Do away with caucauses, Let everybody vote. The candidates knew what the rules were going in. If the super delegates vote helps Clinton secure the nomination, so be it. Count Michigan and Florida. The Democratic party made the rules long before it became an issue. The Obamatons are working just as hard as the Clintons to secure the super delegate vote. Obama just wants the Dems to give him the nomination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 04/09/2008

Bravo.

Pelosi is the best.

Way too many SDs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 04/09/2008

Check Intrade.com to see what the people putting up their monet think

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 04/09/2008

However many superdelegates there are, they all should be elected officials. At least then they'll be accountable to someone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 04/09/2008

Exactly! The primaries & caucuses give you direct democracy and the superdelegates would then give you representative democracy in the process, the best of both worlds. But some fundraising or volunteer becoming an appointed superdelegate is silly and undemocratic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 04/09/2008

Why have superdelegates. Does the DNC not trust the people?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 04/09/2008

The superdelegates exist because of teh caucus system. The Dem party learned the hard way that the caucuses can be manipulated by fringe groups to push forward a candidate who is unelectable to anyone other than those fringe groups. It happened with McGovern. The super delegates are charged with being a check to overturn the manipulation of fringe groups using the caucus system and follow tegh will of mainstream dems. The superdelegates are bad, but they're a necessary evil so long as we have caucuses, which are the real problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 04/09/2008

Look at that photo. Nancy used to be attractive, if not pretty. I guess the public scrutiny of her LACK OF PERFORMANCE is starting to get her down.

Well, GOOD.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 04/09/2008

So who do you propose we give the job to, Lindsey Lohan?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 04/09/2008

and her LOOKS is what is important? what bugs me is, people who think such things matter are actually allowed to vote

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 04/09/2008

Congressman Pelosi is 67 years old. She looks very good considering her age.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 04/09/2008