Soros: Credit Crunch Is "Biggest Financial Crisis Of My Lifetime"

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New York Times   |  Louise Story   |   April 11, 2008 08:14 AM


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George Soros will not go quietly.

At the age of 77, Mr. Soros, one the world's most successful investors and richest men, leapt out of retirement last summer to safeguard his fortune and legacy. Alarmed by the unfolding crisis in the financial markets, he once again began trading for his giant hedge fund -- and won big while so many others lost.

Mr. Soros has always been a controversial figure. But he is becoming more so with a new, dire forecast for the world economy. Last week he rushed out a book, his 10th, warning that the financial pain has only just begun.

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- TN See Profile I'm a Fan of TN permalink

He tried to stop bush and for that I am grateful. It must have been all of that reflexivity of gun control, gay marriage and abortion that motivated the people to vote against their own economic interests.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 AM on 04/13/2008
- dukeitout See Profile I'm a Fan of dukeitout permalink

The world is going to hell and I'm not going to take it anymore or something like that. Soros, stifle yourself. You're a first class alarmist. Go hedge something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 04/12/2008
- themodernleader See Profile I'm a Fan of themodernleader permalink

Soros is one of the few opportunistic predators feeding upon the decaying corpse of the American economy, who exhibits a sense of patriotic duty to his Country. Therefore, he warns us that our present national direction is disaster. He already has stated that the balance of economic power has shifted to Asia. He warns Americans that we must change the direction of our economy and financial system or face decline and ruin.
Th media has labeled him as left wing, socialist, liberal and crackpot for his warnings. There is virtually no discussion of his ideas. An organization of essentially controlled information does not mix well with the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 04/12/2008
- realitytrumpsbull See Profile I'm a Fan of realitytrumpsbull permalink

How much of it did he help CAUSE? I don't trust any of these guys anymore...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 04/12/2008
- VivaZapata See Profile I'm a Fan of VivaZapata permalink

It's funny how brokers can figure down to the tiniest decimal what the value of a stock is, but somehow no one can get a handle on the depth of the subprime crisis, or so it is reported. the real problem is the weak dollar brought on by the irresponsible behavior of the banks (with the federal reserve at the top of the list).

RuleOfLaw supplied this and it's worth noting:
Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States"-Sen. Barry Goldwater (Rep. AR).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 AM on 04/12/2008
- dadw5boys See Profile I'm a Fan of dadw5boys permalink

Why can't we get Great Men like this to run for President??????????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 04/12/2008
- IndependentMeans See Profile I'm a Fan of IndependentMeans permalink

Smart man, I would follow his advice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 04/11/2008
- NicoleAnonymous See Profile I'm a Fan of NicoleAnonymous permalink

What exactly did he do that was so amazing? He met with some people last summer and told them we're going to have a recession. Thank you for stating the obvious.

He didn't tell us that two years ago. He told us that last summer when it was obvious to many people working in finance that there were serious problems with liquidity and the housing market and that things were only going to get worse.

But just because he is rich and has been successful people think he is some genius and predicting a recession when nobody else did. But I remember Robert Schilling, I think that is his name, talking about this over a year ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 04/11/2008
- Americanabroad See Profile I'm a Fan of Americanabroad permalink

Try reading his books from the past two decades. He saw it coming ages ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 04/13/2008
- swift_goat_pet_for_truth See Profile I'm a Fan of swift_goat_pet_for_truth permalink

Oh, and I forgot the billions he has given to promote democracy in formerly despotic countries.
Move on, nothing to see here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 04/12/2008
- swift_goat_pet_for_truth See Profile I'm a Fan of swift_goat_pet_for_truth permalink

Just another immigrant who came in penniless and now is a self-made multi-billionaire.
Just move on, nothing to see here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 04/12/2008
- noneIn2008 See Profile I'm a Fan of noneIn2008 permalink

Even a bigger crisis than when Soros collapsed SE Asian currency and made billions. Soros damaged millions of Asians but feels that was not as important?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 04/11/2008
- ErnestineBass See Profile I'm a Fan of ErnestineBass permalink

Reputable link, if you please?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 04/11/2008
- Raymondf See Profile I'm a Fan of Raymondf permalink

look it up for yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 04/12/2008
- nomoredead See Profile I'm a Fan of nomoredead permalink

google newsvine ' Is George Soros Trying to Destroy the Dollar. ' Seewhat he did to the Thai baht.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 04/11/2008
- Libsrule See Profile I'm a Fan of Libsrule permalink

Yeah I'd like to see that link too. As George stated, it would have happened no matter what and nonetheless they blamed him because he was the one who was vocal about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 04/11/2008
- swift_goat_pet_for_truth See Profile I'm a Fan of swift_goat_pet_for_truth permalink

Like Cassandra, Soros seems to be cursed with knowing the future, but having no one believe him.

Even worse, when the future he predicts occurs, people blame him for the reality.

Seems to me that he has worked out some principles about the world, then bets his money on them, as all investors do. When he is right, people are envious and savage him.

I have been watching him for a while. I do not recognize the guy I have been watching in many of the posts here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 04/11/2008
- Clinton See Profile I'm a Fan of Clinton permalink

People should watch and learn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 04/11/2008
- Raymondf See Profile I'm a Fan of Raymondf permalink

Good I hope you loose every penny, and God makes you live another 20-25 years penniless. Then you can Spare change on the streets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 04/11/2008
- RogerHWerner See Profile I'm a Fan of RogerHWerner permalink

One could only wish that the rest of Soros' economic class behaved as he does. Unfortunately, the ultrarich behave in a predictably greedy and self centered fashion. Soros isn't perfect but he's a damn sight more responsible with his wealth than anyone of Bush/Cheney's wealthy pals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 04/11/2008
- ErnestineBass See Profile I'm a Fan of ErnestineBass permalink

Sorry to be the one to tell you this, Raymond, but that "F" after your name...you earned it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 04/11/2008
- Raymondf See Profile I'm a Fan of Raymondf permalink

but I might add that was back in the 40's when 80% of the country were dems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 04/12/2008
- Raymondf See Profile I'm a Fan of Raymondf permalink

thats funny I earned it from my Father who I might was a far lefty just like you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 04/12/2008
- swift_goat_pet_for_truth See Profile I'm a Fan of swift_goat_pet_for_truth permalink

More neo-con class envy...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 04/11/2008
- joebaggadonuts See Profile I'm a Fan of joebaggadonuts permalink

At 77 that puts his lifetime as including all the years back to about 1931. So he means it's the biggest thing since then. Since the Great Depression coincided roughly with his birth, I think he means that what is happening now is of more concern, that is to say is bigger than the GD.

A lot of posters on this site, pushing us to buy gold, bringing up hints at the value of having guns or survival farms, or considering cannibalism apparently agree. Still others see potential for BlackWater run concentration camps and have provided links to "evidence" of the existence of these camps.

As yet I am taking a more optimistic view. I think that Bush will muddle through until very close to November. I think that he will pay for it when his turn comes to stand in the doc at the Hague, shortly after he vacates the White House, but he will succeed in the short run. Even with the opposition running Congress for nearly two years he has continued to have his way with us at every turn (riding a wave of "reflexivity?"). Still, November is a stretch and the voters will be not risk the cliff with another Republican in control. They know that if nothing else, D's will produce a viable safety net. And they will all fear they will need one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 04/11/2008
- MfromS See Profile I'm a Fan of MfromS permalink

Dream on, or get a candidate that has a chance.........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 AM on 04/12/2008
- elpollo See Profile I'm a Fan of elpollo permalink

"Still others see potential for BlackWater run concentration camps and have provided links to "evidence" of the existence of these camps. "

Well, Joe, a good place to look for "evidence" is the annual Federal budget where KBR is being paid over $300M to build them. As to who will run them? I figure if W has his way, it will be moveon.org.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 04/11/2008
- ErnestineBass See Profile I'm a Fan of ErnestineBass permalink

Oooooooookay...I was with you right up to the "moveon.org" reference.

Can you explain that, please? EB

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 04/11/2008
- elpollo See Profile I'm a Fan of elpollo permalink

Well, I watched Soros on a C-Span panel awhile ago, and the one thing that came through to me is that the guy is really, really smart. He was dealing in philosophical concepts that your average $100M per year CEO wouldn't have a clue with. I'm not saying he is a great guy, just that he is really smart. And he says what he means. I keep a DVD-R of Greenspan testifying before the Senate in my medicine chest - it's faster than ipecac.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 04/11/2008
- larry278 See Profile I'm a Fan of larry278 permalink

I hope that the UK's FT does a precis on the NYT article on Mr Soros. The Soros article is a typical NYT effort to cover business/ finance which uses a lot of words & takes up too much of the NYT's space but says nothing. Maybe Mr Murdoch's WSJ will comment on the NYT's article on Mr Soros on Sat, 4/12/04. The NYT article today, 4/11/08 on Mr Soros & his operations is both murky & opaque.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 04/11/2008
- foreffectivegovernment See Profile I'm a Fan of foreffectivegovernment permalink

Ole George doesn't have to worry long. He's funding Barack Obama's campaign through MoveOn.org and I'm sure that if Obama becomes President, George will get a large Return-on-Investment, (ROI).

George Soros is angry. In common with 90 per cent of the world's population, the Man Who Broke the Bank of England has had enough of President Bush and his foreign policy. In a recent article in the Financial Times, Soros condemned the Bush administration's policies on Iraq as "fundamentally wrong""based as they were on a "false ideology that US might gave it the right to impose its will on the world".

http://www.mindfully.org/WTO/2003/George-Soros-Statesman2jun03.htm
http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/kosta/licnosti/soros.1.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 04/11/2008
- outnow See Profile I'm a Fan of outnow permalink

Soros is definitely a "neoliberal": privatization, economic liberalization, deregulation - leading to a widening gap between rich and poor. His agenda for extending the Pax Americana differs from the Bush model, particularly in it's subtlety but just as ambitious and just as deadly. An example is "opening" Kosovo, with all of its gold, silver, lead and other vast mineral reserves. A great place for the largest military base and a good place to chase out the Chinese and run a pipeline. Promoting U.S. imperial dominance and controlling diminishing petroleum and energy resources should not be done in a blundering crude way that the neocons use.

This is the essential difference between Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. NAFTA was huckstered by Bill (and Hillary) Clinton - Bill screwed you but he did it nicely. True, Alan Greenspan was in favor of eliminating the deficit until Bush became president. In essence, the two policies are the difference between playing the game of monopoly and losing versus an armed robbery. Either way, huge amounts of wealth are transfered upwards. Socialism wouldn't accomplish this effect for Soros.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 04/11/2008
- RogerHWerner See Profile I'm a Fan of RogerHWerner permalink

You offer an interesting take on the differences between Neoliberal and Neoconservative ideologies: At the heart of both is a belief that America has a right to foreign intervention to establish "democratic states" and how that concept is described remains the same (a democratic government is one that supports US economic policies at the expense of their own people while an elected government opposed to American policies is "leftist" and antidemocratic). Unilateral US intervention did not begin with Iraq; it's merely the first time we conducted an armed intervention outside of the Western Hemisphere since the Philippines Campaign of the 1910s. Yes, Americans got screwed by Clinton and GWBush with the difference being that Bush gave us a collective middle finger salute while doing the screwing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 04/11/2008
- joebaggadonuts See Profile I'm a Fan of joebaggadonuts permalink

Move-on gets the bulk of its funding from small individual contributors. They are angry too. So are we all.

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