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First Posted: 04-14-08 05:37 PM   |   Updated: 04-22-08 05:12 AM

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Compassion Forum

One couldn't be blamed for taking a pass on watching CNN's latest candidate face-off event, its so-called "Compassion Forum," which was broadcast last night. After all, it's not as if either of the democratic candidates had staked out a strong, anti-compassion position. But as goofy as the idea sounded on paper - and, let's face it, it is indeed "goofy" to characterize a debate on religion and morality with the safe-word "compassion" - in practice, it was an altogether different animal. The candidates received probing questions with depth and breadth, that spoke to key issues of the here and now as well as larger philosophical matters. In fact, the only problem with the forum is that none of the good questions were posed by members of the professional media.

CNN's own Campbell Brown - who nearly caused me permanent eye-roll damage after asking Senator Hillary Clinton to explain what the "boys club" was - was joined by Newsweek editor John Meacham, as well as a diverse panel of "faith leaders from around the country." Over the course of the forum, the latter group of interlocutors thoroughly outclassed Meacham and Brown. Frankly, the differences between the guests and the professionals was often so vast, that one couldn't help but feel embarrassed.

Here's a sampling of the questions posed by the various guests:

RABBI STEVE GUTOW, JEWISH COUNCIL FOR PUBLIC AFFAIRS: Back to China. China has continued to persecute and subject to oppression, the people of Tibet. It continues to be the largest supplier of weapons to Sudan and the largest purchaser of its oil. Let's just say China is not doing all it can to stop the genocide in Darfur. You have said that America needs to return to being a moral voice of the world. Is our participation in the Beijing Olympics harmful to that moral voice?


REV. WILLIAM J. SHAW, NATIONAL BAPTIST CONVENTION: Senator. Current U.S. policies toward developing countries -- trade policies, make it sometimes extremely difficult for poor people to access inexpensive, generic drugs for the treatment of AIDS and other sicknesses. How would you shape the policies of your administration to ensure that the poor would have access to and could secure the drugs that they need to improve the quality of their lives, of their families and even the future of their country?

EBOO PATEL: My name is Eboo Patel. I'm an American Muslim, and I lead an organization called the Interfaith Youth Core. And it's my privilege to watch a range of faith communities come together around the common value of compassion. Americans of all faiths and no faith at all genuinely believe in compassion and want to apply that in addressing global poverty and climate change. Can we do that without changing our standard of living?

LISA SHARON HARPER, N.Y. FAITH AND JUSTICE: Thank you. Senator...underdeveloped nations and regions that lack widespread access to education and basic resources like water, and they tend to be some of the most unstable and dangerous regions of the world. Places like Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan. Our national security is at stake, but our military is stretched. As president, would you consider committing U.S. troops to a purely humanitarian mission under the leadership of a foreign flag?

REV. SAMUEL RODRIGUEZ, PRESIDENT, NATIONAL HISPANIC LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE: Senator...the vast majority of Americans believe that abortion is a decision to be made by a woman, her family and her doctors. However, the vast majority of Americans similarly believe that abortion is the taking of a human life. The terms pro-choice and pro-life, do they encapsulate that reality in our 21st Century setting and can we find common ground?

REV. RICHARD CIZIK, VICE PRESIDENT, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF EVANGELICALS: Frankly, there has been perceived, by many, millions, a war between science and faith. I don't believe there's a war at all. In fact, the worlds of religion and science are coming together in amazing ways, including here on this campus...How do you relate your faith our personal convictions to science generally and science policy, and let's take an issue like climate and flesh that out, or take stem cells, something like that. Just give us a little more indication of how you think.

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DAVID P. GUSHEE, MERCER UNIVERSITY: Senator...recently yet another disturbing memo emerged from the Justice Department. This one said that not even interrogation methods that, quote, "shock the conscience" would be considered torture nor would they be considered illegal if they had been authorized by the president...this kind of reasoning shocks the conscience of many millions of Americans and many millions of people of faith here and around the world. Is there justification for policies on the part of our nation that permit physical and mental cruelty toward those who are in our custody?

The reconciliation of tradition with advancement, the moral ripples that extend beyond small-scope issues, the economic impacts - good and ill - of compassion, a too-too-rare question about torture...these are the queries a great nation deserves to hear asked. Broad, yet grounded. Provocative without being divisive. High degree of difficulty. And, perhaps best of all, a real ecumenicalism that doesn't break into tribalist cliches or doctrinal grandstanding.

Brown and Meacham got nowhere near this level of discourse. Their questions rarely moved beyond the sorts of hackneyed and predictable queries. Their small minded obsession with process stories and the horse race revealed itself early, as both candidates were questioned on Obama's "bitter" comment right out of the gate. But one can forgive this: it is at least, a current, and pressing obsession. From there, however, Brown and Meacham weren't able to progress beyond mawkish, silly questions about the candidates religious experiences or divisive, "wedge" issue questions that used faith as a battering ram.

Here's a sampling of Brown and Meacham's relentlessly silly queries:

BROWN: You have actually felt the presence of the Holy Spirit on many occasions. Share some of those occasions with us.


MEACHAM: Senator, do you believe personally that life begins at conception?

BROWN: Do you have a favorite Bible story?

MEACHAM: Do you believe God wants you to be president?

MEACHAM: Senator, do you believe that God intervenes in history and rewards or punishes people or nations in real time for their behavior?

BROWN: Senator, there are a lot of Americans who are uncomfortable with the conversation that we're having here tonight. That they believe religion already has way too much influence in political life and public life. How do you reassure them?

But the priceless and impeccable stupidity of the professional media caste can best be seen in this exchange.

MEACHAM: Senator, we've heard about HIV/AIDS. Many people here are concerned about Darfur and a number of other humanitarian issues. Why do you think it is that a loving God allows innocent people to suffer?


CLINTON: Well...

(LAUGHTER)

MEACHAM: And we just have 30 seconds.

Oy, gevalt!

One couldn't be blamed for taking a pass on watching CNN's latest candidate face-off event, its so-called "Compassion Forum," which was broadcast last night. After all, it's not as if either of the d...
One couldn't be blamed for taking a pass on watching CNN's latest candidate face-off event, its so-called "Compassion Forum," which was broadcast last night. After all, it's not as if either of the d...
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- patapsco99 I'm a Fan of patapsco99 6 fans permalink

The consitution was a belief that these were God given rughts, either that be a higher power or an innate connection to the universe. If you do not belive in God or an innate connection to the universe then you don't believe in our consitution. The consitution is the values of our Nation. With out values we are nothing more than a country with a stratification system like Mexico. That is why America is great. The consitution does not mention religion, but there is an ultimate Good (God).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 04/14/2008
- mooph I'm a Fan of mooph 8 fans permalink
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Nice twisted reasoning.

Values are not the same a religion, belief in a deity or belief in an innate connection to the universe. There's no clause in the Constitution that requires belief, piety or any other religious "value". There's a freedom to choose a religion, but most of the rest of the Constitution is very humanist.

What you ascribe that ultimate Good (God) is your business. But to equate disbelief in a deity with disbelief in our Constitution and therefore America is simply ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 04/14/2008

nice.

i agree values are not the same as religion.

religion is corrupt

religious folks are hypocrites to their own values and they wonder why this nation is not as god loving as it use to be!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 04/15/2008

I recall an interview with an atheist who saved a number of Jews in Germany in WWII. She was asked why she did it, even though she was not religious or believed in God.
Her reply? "Because it was the right thing to do!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 04/16/2008

pata;

America is not great. America thinks it is great and that's vanity. Vanity is the greatest sin. All other sins derive from vanity. And if you could, would you please prove to me that there is a god. And if there is what is his, her or its name.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 04/14/2008

yes america is hubrisly imperialis­tic...we are cocky and condescending to other around the world especially with this administration

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 04/15/2008

Excuse me Patapsco99, but they are not "God Given Rights" they are unalienable rights. I'm an agnostic, who does not believe in a God or supreme being or power. But I spent over 20 years in the United States Army sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. Why would I give my word as a man to do something like protect the Constitution if I didn't believe in it?

I believe that you can believe what ever you like, if you think you have a soul that will go up to heaven upon your death, that's great...ju­st please don't try to push your beliefs off onto me. I am free to believe that I am a biological being that when I die will just decay and return to the earth from where my species came from millions of years ago.

Deal?

PS. Until John F. Kennedy a Presidential candidate's religion never was an issue and only then did it become an issue because of his faith as a Catholic. Since JFKs Presidency a candidate's religion was not a major issue until George W. Bush ran and made his Evangelical Re-Born Christian Religious Fanatacism a part of his campaign. Then used wedge issues such as gay rights, stem cell research and litmus tests for Supreme Court Appointees as being more important than real issues like an illegal war in Iraq to keep the Whitte House!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 04/15/2008
- agett12 I'm a Fan of agett12 6 fans permalink

The Real MacDaddy I respect your right to not believe in a supreme being or inherent design. But to look at it Objectively any college or highschool course will show that the documents which shaped our government were heavily influenced by religious references and beliefs. First the unalienable rights though rightly derived from the French Declarations of the Rights of Man also was rooted in the Judeo Christian belief of the inherent value of humanity. This was considered a radical idea in its itime. Second The language of the founding fathers was heavily influenced the language and structure of the English Bible. The Preface of the US Constitution , and The Declaration of INdependence. Third it is reflected in the idea that Humanity is flawed and only reasoned government brings civilizations this idea was drawn from the writers of the Old and New Testament and this view is echoed in the Fedralist papers which argued for the ratification of the US Constitution. Finally the founding fathers did use Christian references one the most famous being Model of Christian Charity by John Winthrop the first governor of Massechussets. The famous saying of America being as a city on the hill was drawn from this treatise which in was a direct quote of Christ in the New testament. Given these examples we can't deny it but I do agree with you that it has no place deciding our leaders fitness for office. .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 04/15/2008
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 136 fans permalink

It is nice to know that you have no idea how the Constitution was arrived at or what it means.

The rights are not "God Given'. The DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, not the Constitution, talks about "unalienable rights, endowed by the creator." Not God given rights. Jefferson knew what he was writing. He used words very deliberately. And chose words that were deliberately vague.If he meant "God Given" he would have said so. He didn't.

But to get back to the Constitution. The rights and power do not come from "God.

They come from WE THE PEOPLE!

No mention of God anywhere. Again, that was deliberate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 AM on 04/15/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

There is probably an online course you can take called "Constitution 101". You might find it helpful. Or talk to a recent immigrant who has passed the tests to become a US citizen. They are pretty well-versed in the Constitution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 04/15/2008
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 136 fans permalink

Mr. Linkins has done a good job of illustrating the difference between religious extremists, exploiters of religion for personal gain, and religious people who are legitimately concerned about mankind.

Eboo Patel's statement that both people of religion and people without religion can come together over their shared compassion, is very encouraging as an indicator of where we may be able to go in this country.

Mr. Linkins thesis that the moderators at CNN have been incompetent is right on the money. PBS and ABC have done a much better job of getting the candidates exposed to the public.

I miss the days when the League of Women Voters was instrumental in conducting the debates. I felt that they were not interested in ratings and Russert type embarassments, but rather in promoting the debates for the benefit of our democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 04/14/2008

This was mortifying to watch. Seeing two intelligent people have to lie like that in order to appease the dumb dumbs... Okay, it was par for the course for Clinton, but watching Obama do it was really hard.

Do you believe that evolution and creationism are compatible? Uh... yes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 04/14/2008
- nunzia I'm a Fan of nunzia 31 fans permalink

I make it a point not to watch trash TV.
Anything called a "Compassion Forum" is
obviously going to be trash.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 04/14/2008

You were smarter than I.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 04/14/2008
- NWGuy I'm a Fan of NWGuy 8 fans permalink
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US Constitution, Article VI (annotations):

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article06//)

The founding fathers had good reasons to keep religion out of the US government, those reasons are just as valid today. Numerous questions noted above are in clear violation of this as the questions do imply a test of religion. Several questions by Brown and/or Meacham have not been answered by the best religious philosophers in the history of man, but they expected answers out of politicians?!?

While a good idea to know where candidates are spiritually, I really don't care a lot what their religion is. What I do want to know is 1) can this person lead the country with honesty and integrity 2) will this person do what is best for the whole country, not just a small subset of supporters 3) does this person value money or people, money or the environment, etc.. As for Bush - here is a guy that ran on religion but lacks spirituality and as for the questions above: No, just the supporters, and Money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 04/14/2008
- stupidme I'm a Fan of stupidme 2 fans permalink

You haven't heard? The Christians won!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 04/14/2008

stupid;

The Christians won what? The idiot prize?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 04/14/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

It was more about morality and ethics, particularly as they relate to foreign policy. It was interesting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 04/15/2008
- jeg I'm a Fan of jeg 15 fans permalink

And of course, the half hour of punditry that is apparently required by law, had nothing to do with the fact that two leading Democratic candidates for President showed up to talk religion, and the Republican nominee couldn't be bothered..­. Oh no, they had to go back to the "bitter" comments, because the previous 72 hours of non-stop coverage obviously hadn't exhausted the topic.

Sorry, I'm just a little bitter about the three stooges routine King, Brown and Crowley put on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 04/14/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

The candidates did not go back to the "bitter" comments. Campbell Brown, in her always infinite wisdom, dragged them there. It was inappropriate and dumb but it was CNN, not the candidates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 04/15/2008
- granamica I'm a Fan of granamica 5 fans permalink

I am not a christian and I watched this show. Listening to Hillary made me hate God and listening to Obama made me question God. Unfortunately, this country insists that we elect a deeply faithful christian or someone who pretends to be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 04/14/2008
- patapsco99 I'm a Fan of patapsco99 6 fans permalink

post like yours makes me thank God. Thank God people like you and Obama is not running the nation

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 04/14/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

Why on earth did she make you hate God? And how can one person you don't know determine your own personal relationship with God? Seems like you have a disconnect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 04/15/2008
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I agree. Obama's answer to the last question about how religion plays a role in his canidacy was inspiring. And Im Atheist!!! Clinton didn't seem to be as sure about herself in what she was saying about her faith. She made me change the channel a few times. I can't watch her speak for very long....I start swearing at the T.V. I have to admit...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 04/15/2008

I watched the whole forum last night. As a very religious progressive, I have to say that I agree with you. I was at a conference last year in which EJ Dionne spoke to a roomful of Christian progressives in DC. Now, he is a writer on religous and political issues, as is Mr. Meacham. A minister friend sitting next to me whispered "he's trying to use a lanuage he really isn't familar with." She was right, and it came off that he was pandering to us, because he wasn't really comfortable with the subject. It was the same deal last night with Brown and Meacham. They were trying to use a lanuage that they thought would appeal to evangelicals, but they just ended up sounding like they were speaking a foreign language without understanding what is and is not appropriate in the culture. Really creepy. But I agree that the religious leaders present ask thoughtful questions on global warming, poverty, Darfour, etc. that I would have liked to ask. In the future, let Jim Wallis ask all the question. Then we won't have to watch Meacham squirm the way he did last night - even he knew the questions he was asking were offensive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 04/14/2008
- VOTER I'm a Fan of VOTER 167 fans permalink
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CNN- The BEST CHOIR NEWS NETWORK

I will gladly vote for an Atheist Candidate who is of high moral standards.

Going with Bible Bush hasn't gone so good.

Somehow CNN failed to report the truth about George before or after Bushie's election (theft).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 04/14/2008
- patapsco99 I'm a Fan of patapsco99 6 fans permalink

If you don't believe in God, then you do not believe in our constitution which is our value system

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 04/14/2008

Is this the part where you begin proselytizing? Can you tell me the part about hell again?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 04/14/2008
- kettletop I'm a Fan of kettletop 5 fans permalink

Sorry, but that makes no sense.
You can certainly believe in our constitution without believing in God.
By the way, which God are you referring to?
The God of the Methodists, the Baptists, the Mormons, the Catholics, the Muslims, the Jews, the Hindus, the Pagans?
Or do you believe that all people of faith can believe in our constituion, and only atheists are prohibited from this belief?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 04/14/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

That is ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 04/15/2008

Theft? Really?

Have you notified the authorities? When was the last time you saw it ? Are you sure you didn't misplace it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 04/14/2008

Why is it a problem to ask questions? The answers were interesting. What is the problem? Even for an agnostic or atheist, what was the problem?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 04/14/2008

Duh. My problem was the questions were rude and stupid. How about asking if they will just try to get out of Iraq and solve the economic problems which are causing economic ruin? I don't care if they think a gnat is god. Just so long as they are relatively honest and will govern for the people and not the corporations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 04/14/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

Since the forum was called "Compassion: Religion and Politics" it might have been a bit odd to not discuss the subject matter. Maybe you should wait for a forum that more closely reflects your interests.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 04/15/2008

What's wrong with Queen Hillary?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 04/14/2008
- rgersmrk I'm a Fan of rgersmrk 3 fans permalink
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I wish I had the patience you had Jason. I pretty much turned it off after the first question asked by Campbell Brown. The questions fielded by the guests makes me want to watch it again (as long as I can fast forward the questions by Campbell Brown and John Meachum). Hopefully I can find it Youtube or hopefully CNN will rebroadcast it this weekend so I can TiVo it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 04/14/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

This was a really worthwhile show - clearly made that way by the interaction between the candidates and the audience. Brown and Meacham were embarrassing distractions who could have been yanked off stage without being missed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 04/15/2008
- MaureenS I'm a Fan of MaureenS 2 fans permalink

Jason, you are bang on. I thought the same thing, as I was watching the guest ask Senator Obama their various questions. I thought how thoughtful and well thought out their questions were compare to Campbell Brown and Meacham.

I find it increasingly painful to watch, high paid news journalist (completely out of touch with the American people) continue to ask gossip like questions and past it off as "analysis, provocative and getting to the truth". When its all about them.
I now see why, network journalist continue to harp on the "bitter" story and are okay with John McCain and Hillary Clinton like politics, it is because that is all their minds can comprehend.
Obama, is forcing journalist to be prepare when they ask him questions, he makes them look stupid and shows up their lack of preparedness.
There is a clear dumbing of the media and I blame the Bush administration, journalist didn't have to do any preparation work under this current administration, they just show up and collect their salary. Hence networks like NBC, CBS and ABC started hiring personalities to deliver the so call news..inst­ead of journalist who value the integrity of their profession.

Bush has not only hurt the American economy, he has also harm journalistic integrity as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 04/14/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 492 fans permalink
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You've stated the case well. Americans deserve much better from our press. The level of quality we want and are eager to handle was demonstrated by the level of questions from the guests. It's a sad commentary on CNN and the MSM in general, but it shows the level of discourse that is possible when we take control of the conversation away from corporate America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 04/14/2008
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

ICAM I was very impressed with the questions asked by the audience. Campbell Brown and that other person needed to just host.

I was impressed how evolved religion has become. When I think of Evangelicals its an image of a conservative relgion bent on pushing their doctrine down everyone's throat. But last night the discussions were progressive, has to do with activism, role of science and religion in issues such as global warming. They made me want to go out and get religion and believe me thats no small feat.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 04/14/2008

Speaks to the level of current discourse on religion in the country. Strange that this 'debate' was not that well publicized, it sounds like an important conversation!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 04/14/2008
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