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Republican presidential candidate, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., speaks to reporters during a news conference at Dallas Love Field Friday, April 11, 2008 in Dallas, Texas. The independent label sticks to John McCain because he antagonizes fellow Republicans and likes to work with Democrats. To his actual record, a different label applies: conservative. (AP Photo/Mary Altaffer)

WASHINGTON — The independent label sticks to John McCain because he antagonizes fellow Republicans and likes to work with Democrats.

But a different label applies to his actual record: conservative.

The likely Republican presidential nominee is much more conservative than voters appear to realize. McCain leans to the right on issue after issue, not just on the Iraq war but also on abortion, gay rights, gun control and other issues that matter to his party's social conservatives.

The four-term Arizona senator, a longtime member of the Armed Services Committee, criticized the earlier handling of the war but has been a crucial ally in President Bush's effort to increase and maintain U.S. forces in Iraq.

Besides the war, McCain agrees broadly with Bush and other conservatives on:

_Abortion. McCain promises to appoint judges who, in the mold of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, are likely to limit the reach of the Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion. McCain's record is not spotless on abortion: He said once, in 1999, that Roe v. Wade should not be overturned. But that amounted to a blip in an otherwise unbroken record of opposing abortion rights for women.

"I am pro-life and an advocate for the rights of man everywhere in the world," McCain told the Conservative Political Action Conference in February. "Because to be denied liberty is an offense to nature and nature's Creator."

_Gay rights. McCain opposes gay marriage. True, he does not support a federal ban on gay marriage on grounds the issue traditionally has been decided by states. But McCain worked to ban gay marriage in Arizona. He also supports the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy, and he opposed legislation to protect gay people from job discrimination or hate crimes.

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"I'm proud to have led an effort in my home state to change our state constitution and to protect the sanctity of marriage as between a man and woman," he told CNN in March. "I will continue to advocate for those fundamental principals of our party and our faith."

_Gun control. McCain voted against a ban on assault-style weapons and for shielding gun-makers and dealers from civil suits. He did vote in favor of requiring background checks at gun shows, but in general he sides with the National Rifle Association in favor of gun rights.

When the Supreme Court held arguments last month on Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban, McCain said it was "a landmark case for all Americans who believe, as I do, that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms."

His conservatism could be a problem for McCain _ particularly if this November's contest is as close as recent presidential elections, which were decided by independent-minded voters in the center of the political spectrum.

But he might avoid this problem to the extent people know him as an independent-minded politician. And many do view him that way.

"People see him as a centrist. They don't see him as a conservative," said Andrew Kohut, president of the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press.

"In fact, they put him pretty close to themselves, in terms of ideology, and put President Bush way to the right of themselves," Kohut said.

In a national Pew survey earlier this year, voters placed McCain in the middle, where they placed themselves, when asked to judge the ideology of Bush and the presidential candidates. They placed Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama far to the left.

And voters who back Clinton and Obama are open to McCain.

Nearly a third of Clinton supporters said they would back McCain if Obama becomes the Democratic nominee, and more than a quarter of Obama supporters said they would back McCain over Clinton, according to Associated Press-Ipsos polling released Thursday.

Democrats are trying to change the perception of McCain. The Democratic National Committee insists that McCain's election would amount to a third term for Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.

"All he offers is four more years of the failed Bush economy, an endless war in Iraq and shameless hypocrisy on ethics reform," DNC Chairman Howard Dean said last month.

Whatever the general image of McCain, the Christian right is deeply suspicious of him despite his many conservative positions. McCain has clashed with its leaders. He called televangelists Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell "agents of intolerance" and has often worked against them.

He pushed to limit the influence of money in politics through campaign finance reforms that, critics say, stomp on the constitutional right to free speech.

He backs a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, which many of his party's most conservative members oppose.

And he splits from the right over research which extracts stem cells from human embryos in an effort to develop treatments for Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and a range of other diseases. Conservatives object because human embryos are destroyed; McCain supports the research.

Polls indicate McCain has the same level of GOP support as Bush had at this point in 2000. But some insist he still isn't reaching out to rank-and-file conservatives who are needed to lick envelopes, make phone calls and knock on doors in states where the election is likely to be close.

On the right and across the political spectrum, McCain's image, rather than his positions on issues, seems to form people's opinion of him. Indeed, in choosing presidents, voters often look past issues to character and personality, and most individual issues are unlikely to mean much.

But one broader issue could figure prominently in November _ the tumbling economy and consequent job losses, home foreclosures and soaring energy prices.

Those could prove troublesome for McCain, and not only because he acknowledges he's no economic expert.

"We are surely in a time of deep economic insecurity for a majority of the American people," said Curtis Gans, director of American University's Center for the Study of the American Electorate. "That has always led to two things: somewhat higher turnout, and votes against the party in power."

"We are also in a deeply unpopular war," Gans said. "Where there are these differences, and strong differences, they could be in the Democrats' direction."

WASHINGTON — The independent label sticks to John McCain because he antagonizes fellow Republicans and likes to work with Democrats. But a different label applies to his actual record: conserva...
WASHINGTON — The independent label sticks to John McCain because he antagonizes fellow Republicans and likes to work with Democrats. But a different label applies to his actual record: conserva...
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- biglover I'm a Fan of biglover 43 fans permalink

Forget the frickin polls. It means nothing right how. Give me poll results a few days before the election. I don't need polls to tell me that people are sick of hurting and struggling. The puglies shot themselves in the foot over the past 8 years. There will be no repeat of 2000 and 2004.

Hallelujah
Obama 2008 (or Hillary if necessary)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 04/14/2008

Frankly I don't like McCain. He will win this election. This will occur because the majority of the country is conservative or conservative-minded independents vice liberal or liberal-minded independents.

He will win because of the alternative would be vastly worse. Neither Obama or Clinton will win the white male vote. You can't win the presidency without it. At the risk of sounding misogynistic, only a small portion of white males will vote for Hillary, mainly to capitulate with their wives thereby ensuring their own progeny. An even smaller portion will vote for Obama, and the majority of them only to prove to themselves how non-racial and forward thinking they are. The rest will all go to McCaine.
Read it and weep , my fellow Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 04/14/2008

Then why is Obama, accoring to this week's Gallup poll, ahead of McNUTS by almost 2-1 where independents are concerned. Because they KNOW MCNUTS is Bush redux!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 04/14/2008
- biglover I'm a Fan of biglover 43 fans permalink

You need a reality check BenOverAri

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 04/14/2008

You just got one teaspoon of reality, I know it's bitter. Try a spoon full of sugar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 04/14/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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"capitulate with their wives thereby ensuring their own progeny."

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LOL. I'm at a loss for words...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 04/14/2008
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It's stupidity is truly astonishing.

"independents vice liberal"

Simply amazing!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 04/14/2008
- FiddleDD2 I'm a Fan of FiddleDD2 10 fans permalink

No woman should reproduce with a guy this stupid. It's 5 o'clock and time for him to leave his cubical and go home to Mom's basement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 04/14/2008
- Jtt I'm a Fan of Jtt 44 fans permalink
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I dont want to know what that means.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 04/14/2008

WLA : ROFL !

Has the words ' Bend Over ' right in the moniker !!


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 04/14/2008
- KOisGod I'm a Fan of KOisGod 347 fans permalink
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THIS is how stupid you are:

Aggressively stupid; it is soul-burrowing stupid; mind-fucking stupid. The kind of stupid that seeps into the rug so that the entire building stinks of stupid for the next ten years whenever the air conditioning comes on. The kind of stupid that wounds all those who come into contact with it. It is a stupid that has been rendered physical: it leaves a scar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 04/14/2008
- plainsman I'm a Fan of plainsman 17 fans permalink
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Thanks for taking a break from the Project for the New American Century to come on here and inform us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 04/14/2008
- researcher I'm a Fan of researcher 118 fans permalink

ok here is the skinny on america.

most americans have been conditioned to be imperialists. fear mongering for decades has worked wonders on the american mind. example universal health care called socialism.

many americans are out and out war mongers like mc cain so he will get that 30% hands down.

if he is smart he will con the rest of america like reagan did with his trickle down theory. think of a new kind of theory. americans are dumb enough to buy just about any theory. reagan economics is proof of that.

does not matter who we elect the country is in decline cannot be stopped but politicans will convince americans otherwise.

bye bye middle class ignorance did ya in.

americans refuse to admit to a class war. there was class war even when humans lived in caves.

gas at 4$ a gallon will put american in rapid decline and the dropping dollar will do the rest and the large military budget will finish us off.

third world time in america. at least we have gated communities to protect the rich folks.

like mexico city and south america the rich in america will have to hire security guards to protect their children from being kidnapped for ransom. welcome to the new america.

greed and self rightousness did us in except for the rich they will do fine in a third world economy.

reagan was a genius for eliminating the middle class he always hated the middle class.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 04/14/2008
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>>"the rich in america will have to hire security guards"

And thus provide them jobs! Trickle-down in action, no? /snark

>>"americans refuse to admit to a class war. there was class war even when humans lived in caves."

Good point. Cain and Abel was class warfare, the vegans against the carnivores. And the meateaters have been "winning" ever since.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 04/14/2008
- dolphy I'm a Fan of dolphy 46 fans permalink

You really believe there was a real Cain and a real Abel? If you do, you have a very infantile understanding of the bible and history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 04/14/2008
- anney I'm a Fan of anney 9 fans permalink

It appears that McCain may face legal problems about his campaign finances:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/dnc-wants-court.html

The Democratic National Committee is set to file a complaint in federal court against the Federal Election Commission, saying the regulatory agency has failed to act on a request to investigate and take action against Sen. John McCain, the Republican presidential-nominee-in-waiting, for reversing his decision to use public money in the general election.

In February, the DNC asked the FEC to look into whether the McCain campaign violated federal election law by using the promise of federal matching funds for loans and by exceeding the $50 million spending limit for the primaries. The FEC has been unable to make a quorum since the initial DNC request.

Even before the Democrats submitted their February complaint, the FEC mailed the McCain campaign a letter asking for an explanation of an agreement it entered into with Fidelity Bank and Trust Bank of Bethesda. Democrats say that agreement is proof the McCain team violated the law.

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http://tinyurl.com/6zvq78

The DNC is asking the court to compel the FEC to investigate — which they can’t. So when they fail to do so, the DNC can (and most likely will) ask the court for an injunction against McCain. Essentially, this is the next necessary step in that process — they can’t ask for the injunction until they show that the FEC can’t act.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 04/14/2008

McCain's right-wingness is news only to those who watch the TV and claim to be informed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 04/14/2008

Beware of Little Man Syndrome.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 04/14/2008
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So true!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 04/14/2008

McNapolean III

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 04/14/2008

"sanctity of marriage" ... what about the "sanctity of equality"?

sanctity of marriage from McCain ... the guy who abandoned the mother of his children to marry an heiress and run for political office...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 04/14/2008
- kardwell I'm a Fan of kardwell 7 fans permalink

The heiress and wife whom he publicly calls a c*nt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 04/14/2008

The wheels came off the "straight talk express" a long time ago-about 7 years ago! This righrt -winger has flip-flopped on the Bush Tax cuts, immigration reform, torture and much more! He has no plans for education, health care, the environment or how to pay for his hundred years in Iraq! A vote for him will finally crush what's left of the "bitter" middle class in America!Oh-and he's for LARGER corporate tax cuts than exist today!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 04/14/2008
- McSurgent I'm a Fan of McSurgent 2 fans permalink

The wheels are still there. When McCain lands aboard Air Force One, they will unfold and then John will taxi down the Victory runway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 04/14/2008

Victory where-not in America or Iraq-so where-in Khazikstan???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 04/14/2008
- CarlsV I'm a Fan of CarlsV 12 fans permalink

And then he'll wake up and realize he's in shady acres retirement home for the terminally stupid!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 04/14/2008
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Whatever you say Miss McCleo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 04/14/2008
- biglover I'm a Fan of biglover 43 fans permalink

OLE FREEPER MCSURGENT IS BACK.

McSurgent you are going to be one unhappy camper come November 4th. Do come back and visit us then - if you have the guts - you freeping creep.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 04/14/2008
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McSurgent:

Yeah, and then he'll crash it, just like all those other planes he flew.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 04/14/2008
- wolf58 I'm a Fan of wolf58 36 fans permalink

He is pro war yet does not support the troops, his voting record shows that and he still not signed off on the new GI Bill. He offers nothing on the economy but wants to keep tax breaks for the rich while the average American is looking at gas prices going up to 3.50-3.60 within the next 30 days. I like so many have to worry about gas in our cars, heat in our home, food on the table and he thinks we have mental problems. I got news for him he has no idea of what mental problems will come if things don't change. Unlike McCain we don't live off our rich wife that boy had better wake up....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 04/14/2008
- BigJake I'm a Fan of BigJake 2 fans permalink

Wolf -Gas hit $3.55.9 about noon today in Northern Michigan. The oil/gas companies here are sticking it to us and no KY jelly either!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 04/14/2008
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its been 3.59/regular in oregon for awhile now. except exxon which was more like 3.68 this afternoon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 04/14/2008
- Blutus I'm a Fan of Blutus 11 fans permalink

He's a conservative regarding the border with Mexico??


I think not!!!

He wants it open. He wants amnesty.

Oh, thats ok, he's conservative like Raygun! Amenesty now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 04/14/2008
- gmcc I'm a Fan of gmcc 2 fans permalink

Since Obamabots also point tothe website in order to learn about his stance on issues, I went to McCain's..

Border Security & Immigration Reform

Immigration is one of those challenging issues that touch on many aspects of American life.

I have always believed that our border must be secure and that the federal government has utterly failed in its responsibility to ensure that it is secure.

So I guess he doesn't want it open.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 04/14/2008
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Before I flag you, I want you to remember that you're supposed to attempt honesty, at least.
McCain/Kennedy Amnesty Bill 2007

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 04/14/2008
- Jtt I'm a Fan of Jtt 44 fans permalink
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I could care less and dont buy into the Immigrant hate hype but McAmnesty (as Rethugs call him) wanted to give 20 million illegals amnesty and open the border for 150 more.

So Regular open borders probably wouldn't work for him and we would need some sort of mass transit to get people across faster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 04/14/2008
- rosal I'm a Fan of rosal 348 fans permalink
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Is he willing to apply heavy fines to employers who hire undocumented? I'll bet not. This issue on immigration reminds me of the war on drugs. You don't want undocumented workers? Don't give them a job. They come to work, not to be treated like criminals. But first, stop the trade agreements, like NAFTA, that displace workers in Mexico. Then, you can close borders and fine employers.
You don't want drugs? stop consuming. Same idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 04/14/2008
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You can call John McCain anything want, just don't call him late for war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 04/14/2008
- gmcc I'm a Fan of gmcc 2 fans permalink

John McCain is in favor of states rights. This is good, the problem is states do not make enough money to really execute a full liberal agenda. In order to fully achieve the redistribution of wealth and provide true equality for all people the Democrats must have complete control of the Executive and Legislative Branches of Government, then they can begin to eliminate the conservative majority in the Judicial branch as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 04/14/2008

states rights is conservative-speak for not honoring national rights ... perhaps the 2nd Amendment is a state's rights issue ?

ever read the 9th or 14th amendments? Pity the Scalitos of the far right court refuse to strictly construe the guarantee of equal rights for all people

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 04/14/2008

You libs are missing the entire point of what McCain is about. Yes, he is a Republican and a conservative. And Obama and Clinton are Liberal Democrats. Welcome to reality.

What makes McCain different is that he "actually" does want to meet halfway with the democrats and do what is best for the country. This NEVER happens in Washington and McCain is one of the few who practices what he preaches.

I can't stand you idiot liberals that slump to the low-class name-calling when it comes to McCain (or any republican). This guy has earned the right to be where he is while most of you are probably sitting and waiting for a democrat to get in office so you can get a free handout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 04/14/2008
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No need for name calling. Here are a few real names associated with your joke of a candidate:
Charles Keating
Rev. John Hagee
Jerry Falwell
Jack Abramoff
Tom Delay
Duke Cunningham
Newt Gingrich
Any lobbyist that will give him money
And let's not forget wife #1...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 04/14/2008
- gmcc I'm a Fan of gmcc 2 fans permalink

just to be fair. you started it.

Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.
William Ayers
Frank Marshall Davis
Rashid Khalidi
Tony Rezko
Raila Oginga Odinga
Nadhmi Auchi
Raul Reyes

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 04/14/2008
- KBAR I'm a Fan of KBAR 28 fans permalink
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Gee, kev
Ever as a DimLib : Say, how's that War On Poverty thing going?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 04/14/2008

If you're still poor-it's working geat!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 04/14/2008

Th War on Poverty has failed but the war on the middle class rages on. Feed the poor? Jesus was such a schmuck.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 04/14/2008
- Jtt I'm a Fan of Jtt 44 fans permalink
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Yes there isn't a Single policy that McCain isn't ready to compromise or backtrack on to get elected. There is no one he will not throw under the bus for His principle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 04/14/2008
- CarlsV I'm a Fan of CarlsV 12 fans permalink

"I can't stand you idiot liberals that slump to the low-class name-calling when it comes to McCain (or any republican)."

Somebody get this whining bitch a tissue!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 04/14/2008

I agree. That is why I simply call them Republicans. Toss in vile invectives and all you have is overkill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 04/14/2008

CarlsV : The funniest part of the tool's post is the fact that It precludes It's OWN point by stating " you idiot libruls " !!


Priceless ! A ' self effacing Fallacy ' !!


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 04/14/2008
- CarlsV I'm a Fan of CarlsV 12 fans permalink

"I can't stand you idiot liberals that slump to the low-class name-calling when it comes to McCain (or any republican)."

Somebody get this whining fool a tissue!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 04/14/2008
- MikeDu I'm a Fan of MikeDu 158 fans permalink
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Hey, I'm confused. Wasn't the Republican party big on the concept of 'term limits' about 15-18 years ago? So why shouldn't these multi-term Reaganaut dinosaurs all be gone by now? You don't mean the Republican push for term limits was nothing but a scam foisted on the rubes to gain power, do you? That all that 'term limits' posturing was done on bad faith? you don't think their recent election year howling about immigration is ANOTHER scam too, do you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 04/14/2008

Once they got elected "term limits" became as obscene as Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction. These crooks, who could not get wealthy doing anything else, started raking in cash in Congress. What a gig.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 04/14/2008

Hillary today: "You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught be how to shoot when I was a little girl," said Clinton.

Reporter: "When was the last time you actually shot a gun?"

Hillary: "That's not a relevant question right now. We can talk about that at a later time."

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Libtards, your "candidates" are embarrassing. I hope you realize that. And Rush Limbaugh's OPERATION CHAOS is succeeding .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 04/14/2008
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Your "candidate" can't find his arguments without RapeGurneyJoe and the closeted Graham's help. He probably needs help feeding himself after his naptime...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 04/14/2008
- CarlsV I'm a Fan of CarlsV 12 fans permalink

"And Rush Limbaugh's OPERATION CHAOS is succeeding ."
________________

Only in the vast void where your brain should be sparky!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 04/14/2008
- McSurgent I'm a Fan of McSurgent 2 fans permalink

OPERATION CHAOS - and isn't that how most godless liberals view the universe?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 04/14/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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You mean the 6,000 year old flat Earth that the sun revolves around?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 04/14/2008

No OPERATION CHAOS IS JUST IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 04/14/2008
- Jtt I'm a Fan of Jtt 44 fans permalink
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Yes we're SO embarrassing that YOUR candidate thought about switching parties:

"In interviews with The Hill this month, former Sen. Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) and ex-Rep. Tom Downey (D-N.Y.) said there were nearly two months of talks with the maverick lawmaker following an approach by John Weaver, McCain’s chief political strategist.

Democrats had contacted Jeffords and then-Sen. Lincoln Chafee (R-R.I.) in the early months of 2001 about switching parties, but in McCain’s case, they said, it was McCain’s top strategist who came to them." (emphasis added) ( http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14433.html )

giggile

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 04/14/2008

So right about Rush and his OPERATION CHAOS. But thanks to trial lawyers, Rush has managed to manage his chaos and profit from it. You go ditto.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 04/14/2008
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