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Republican presidential candidate, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., speaks to reporters during a news conference at Dallas Love Field Friday, April 11, 2008 in Dallas, Texas. The independent label sticks to John McCain because he antagonizes fellow Republicans and likes to work with Democrats. To his actual record, a different label applies: conservative. (AP Photo/Mary Altaffer)

WASHINGTON — The independent label sticks to John McCain because he antagonizes fellow Republicans and likes to work with Democrats.

But a different label applies to his actual record: conservative.

The likely Republican presidential nominee is much more conservative than voters appear to realize. McCain leans to the right on issue after issue, not just on the Iraq war but also on abortion, gay rights, gun control and other issues that matter to his party's social conservatives.

The four-term Arizona senator, a longtime member of the Armed Services Committee, criticized the earlier handling of the war but has been a crucial ally in President Bush's effort to increase and maintain U.S. forces in Iraq.

Besides the war, McCain agrees broadly with Bush and other conservatives on:

_Abortion. McCain promises to appoint judges who, in the mold of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, are likely to limit the reach of the Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion. McCain's record is not spotless on abortion: He said once, in 1999, that Roe v. Wade should not be overturned. But that amounted to a blip in an otherwise unbroken record of opposing abortion rights for women.

"I am pro-life and an advocate for the rights of man everywhere in the world," McCain told the Conservative Political Action Conference in February. "Because to be denied liberty is an offense to nature and nature's Creator."

_Gay rights. McCain opposes gay marriage. True, he does not support a federal ban on gay marriage on grounds the issue traditionally has been decided by states. But McCain worked to ban gay marriage in Arizona. He also supports the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy, and he opposed legislation to protect gay people from job discrimination or hate crimes.

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"I'm proud to have led an effort in my home state to change our state constitution and to protect the sanctity of marriage as between a man and woman," he told CNN in March. "I will continue to advocate for those fundamental principals of our party and our faith."

_Gun control. McCain voted against a ban on assault-style weapons and for shielding gun-makers and dealers from civil suits. He did vote in favor of requiring background checks at gun shows, but in general he sides with the National Rifle Association in favor of gun rights.

When the Supreme Court held arguments last month on Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban, McCain said it was "a landmark case for all Americans who believe, as I do, that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms."

His conservatism could be a problem for McCain _ particularly if this November's contest is as close as recent presidential elections, which were decided by independent-minded voters in the center of the political spectrum.

But he might avoid this problem to the extent people know him as an independent-minded politician. And many do view him that way.

"People see him as a centrist. They don't see him as a conservative," said Andrew Kohut, president of the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press.

"In fact, they put him pretty close to themselves, in terms of ideology, and put President Bush way to the right of themselves," Kohut said.

In a national Pew survey earlier this year, voters placed McCain in the middle, where they placed themselves, when asked to judge the ideology of Bush and the presidential candidates. They placed Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama far to the left.

And voters who back Clinton and Obama are open to McCain.

Nearly a third of Clinton supporters said they would back McCain if Obama becomes the Democratic nominee, and more than a quarter of Obama supporters said they would back McCain over Clinton, according to Associated Press-Ipsos polling released Thursday.

Democrats are trying to change the perception of McCain. The Democratic National Committee insists that McCain's election would amount to a third term for Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.

"All he offers is four more years of the failed Bush economy, an endless war in Iraq and shameless hypocrisy on ethics reform," DNC Chairman Howard Dean said last month.

Whatever the general image of McCain, the Christian right is deeply suspicious of him despite his many conservative positions. McCain has clashed with its leaders. He called televangelists Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell "agents of intolerance" and has often worked against them.

He pushed to limit the influence of money in politics through campaign finance reforms that, critics say, stomp on the constitutional right to free speech.

He backs a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, which many of his party's most conservative members oppose.

And he splits from the right over research which extracts stem cells from human embryos in an effort to develop treatments for Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and a range of other diseases. Conservatives object because human embryos are destroyed; McCain supports the research.

Polls indicate McCain has the same level of GOP support as Bush had at this point in 2000. But some insist he still isn't reaching out to rank-and-file conservatives who are needed to lick envelopes, make phone calls and knock on doors in states where the election is likely to be close.

On the right and across the political spectrum, McCain's image, rather than his positions on issues, seems to form people's opinion of him. Indeed, in choosing presidents, voters often look past issues to character and personality, and most individual issues are unlikely to mean much.

But one broader issue could figure prominently in November _ the tumbling economy and consequent job losses, home foreclosures and soaring energy prices.

Those could prove troublesome for McCain, and not only because he acknowledges he's no economic expert.

"We are surely in a time of deep economic insecurity for a majority of the American people," said Curtis Gans, director of American University's Center for the Study of the American Electorate. "That has always led to two things: somewhat higher turnout, and votes against the party in power."

"We are also in a deeply unpopular war," Gans said. "Where there are these differences, and strong differences, they could be in the Democrats' direction."

WASHINGTON — The independent label sticks to John McCain because he antagonizes fellow Republicans and likes to work with Democrats. But a different label applies to his actual record: conserva...
WASHINGTON — The independent label sticks to John McCain because he antagonizes fellow Republicans and likes to work with Democrats. But a different label applies to his actual record: conserva...
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A bear wearing a fez and driving a unicycle could defeat McCain.

America wants this war to end and McCain and his "bitter, gun-toting, bible thumping, Sean Hannity listening conservatives" would be more than willing to continue it.

I just can't see McCain winning - no matter if it is Obama or Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 04/14/2008
- Kundera I'm a Fan of Kundera 24 fans permalink

you should see an optometrist, because he has an excellent shot of winning. especially if it's BHO. McCain easily takes Ohio, PA, Florida and makes big blue states a race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 04/14/2008
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Just keep listening to Sean Hannity.

Yup, America wants to continue this war at all costs.

"Bitter, bible thumping, gun-toting" morons are who elected Bush in the first place and would have never voted for Obama anyway.

Its time to put you riffraff where you belong - with zero influence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 04/14/2008
- MikeDu I'm a Fan of MikeDu 153 fans permalink
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McCain has a good shot of winning because America has the attention span of a house fly. Try striking up a conversation with someone at random over the gross RNC abuses of the last 8 years. You're likely to find they don't even know what the letters RNC stand for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 04/14/2008
- MPCarr I'm a Fan of MPCarr 9 fans permalink

Check out the polls. They show something else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 04/14/2008
- krocklin I'm a Fan of krocklin 30 fans permalink

They COULD be in the Democrat's direction?
If not the electorate will prove once again its totally masochistic.
McCain will lose in a landslide, no matter how much they spin it, the media obfuscates the issues and no matter how much the public is misinformed and ignorant and has voted against it's own interests in the past.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 04/14/2008

I'd just like to thank the Huffiington Post for giving us McCain. Great. Really good work.

Assholes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 04/14/2008
- Kundera I'm a Fan of Kundera 24 fans permalink

what's funny about this is the Huff Post thinks this is a negative thing. McCain needs conservatives to rally together and vote in November. yes, the left is not out of touch....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 04/14/2008
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Wingnuts don't get that this article is geared towards those Clinton supporters who may believe he's a centrist. This is a left leaning site, although you wouldn't know it from all the moronic freeper tr0lls that hang out here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 04/14/2008
- Crozier I'm a Fan of Crozier 69 fans permalink

As a student of history, especially Western Civilisation, and with an undergraduate degree minor in the subject, I am aware that there are no absolute comparisons, yet there are trends that are predictable.

History and happenstance gave us Theodore Roosevelt and the end of the Gilded Age. President McKinley was forced to abandon Vice President Hobart for Governor Roosevelt in the second term., Five months later, McKinley was murdered in Chicago. Their worst fears occurred. They tried to bury him in the VP slot, and he became the POTUS for that and another term.

His nephew (Eleanor was FDR's wife and TR's neice), Franklin D. Roosevelt also came at a pivotal time in history. Senator Obama is our last hope to end the Second Gilded Global Age. The Corporatists want to destroy the middle class, limit access to higher education, and create a Third World consuming nation. McCain is their preferred puppet, but the Clintons are their fallback foils.

They need very little more time to irreversibly destroy this democratic Republic and turn it into a puppet state, a theocratic totaliarian state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 04/14/2008
- mommadona I'm a Fan of mommadona 179 fans permalink
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I will keep mentioning and posting it - MCCAIN IS THE HEAD OF THE INTERNATIONAL REPUBLICANS.

What in the HELL is an INTERNATIONAL Republican, you ask?

Well, let's ask Mr. "Straight Talk" to straight talk about it

What IS an INTERNATIONAL REPUBLICAN, Mr. McCain.....

http://www.iri.org/board.asp

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 04/14/2008
- Thorwald I'm a Fan of Thorwald 2 fans permalink

One of the great things to come out of a Clinton/McCain battle would be the growth of the independent party!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 04/14/2008
- Superbus I'm a Fan of Superbus 27 fans permalink
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2009-2012 will be great recruiting years for the NRA and GOA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 04/14/2008
- jahzilla I'm a Fan of jahzilla 8 fans permalink

There is no "independent party" !
Nor would that be possible.

Taking a cross-section of those who claim to be "independents", will yield more diverse ideological leanings, whether from the extreme right reactionaries, to the anarchist left, than there are grains of sand in the Sahara.

Saying one is "an independent" is (merely) nothing more than a hash-medley holding tank for those who simply can't abide a particular party's core ideological plank(s) . . . or are so personally affected by perceptions that range from "character" to "historical programming", that to attempt homogenization under one banner, would be like suggesting cats, dogs and Tasmanian Devils, feed from the same bowl.

What we really need are for more people to actually focus more on the actual truth (through actual research and dogged due-diligence). Let's not be stupid and elect another Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 04/14/2008

makes me want to Ralph!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 04/14/2008

It's about time the mainstream media started to get it right (pun intended) about McCain. Too bad that Hillary (and Bill) doesn't get it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 04/14/2008

Why is he considered a war hero? I respect his service to our country and admire his strength to withstand POW camp, but I don't think that qualifies him as a hero. All he did was not die, which is instinctive. He is human. He didn't save anybody. As far as getting shot down, doesn't that make him a bad pilot? After all he had wrecked planes on multiple occasions. I understand his dad could have gotten him out of the P.O.W. camp early, but then McCain couldn't have ever used his stay for political gain if he left like that. Also, for Hillary or McCain to call ANYONE "elistist" or "out-of-touch" is comical. Both families are worth over $100 million.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 04/14/2008

Good post. He stayed an extra 3 years in the Hanoi Hilton, having his shoulders broken and dislocated, enduring regular beatings, and dining on rat turds just so he could run for POTUS after 30 years. Your intellect is staggering, do another bong hit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 04/14/2008
- mrdontplay I'm a Fan of mrdontplay 3 fans permalink

I am predicting that the VP will be Romney.

Due to this I have one question.

How come he doesn't have to explain the crazyness that's going on with the poligamists in TX?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080405/ap_on_re_us/polygamist_retreat

How come the headlines don't read:
"MORMAN CULT RAIDED?"

That's what it was.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 04/14/2008
- McSurgent I'm a Fan of McSurgent 2 fans permalink

Rev. Wright Christian Cult exposed!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 04/14/2008
- nippersdad I'm a Fan of nippersdad 29 fans permalink

This has my vote for cheap and mindless crack of the day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 04/14/2008

Comment by KS
April 14th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

From Audacity of Hope: “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

If that is true…that in and of itself should make everyone run. Combine that with all his associations Wright, Farakhan, Odinga, Obonga, Rezco, Ayers and you have someone who has an agenda, but is not telling it.

And no Christian would ever say that…another proof that he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

Look throughout history…that puny guy from Germany that caused the holocaust…he smoothly came in with all his smooth talk…people cheering and supporting…then it happened. The Germans were blinded, looks to me that much of America is too…can’t even believe he is still in the race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 04/14/2008

The actual quote from the book is from page 261 and is as follows:

"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 04/14/2008
- Crozier I'm a Fan of Crozier 69 fans permalink

Fascist dirty tricks - take Obama down by lies, innuendo and lack of context. It is the same play book for Clinton or McCain....their Corporate masters are proud of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 04/14/2008

Where are the American Muslim internment camps?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 04/14/2008

Did you get that list of names from the Right-wing talking points memo? Just because you list several names doesn't mean anything. I'm sure the list of nefarious characters for the other candidates would be MUCH longer. This is one of the cases where the black dude's wouldn't be bigger - talking about the list of course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 04/14/2008
- dora rice I'm a Fan of dora rice 12 fans permalink
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I totally agree. Left winging muslim loving leftists are scum. McCaine at least stands for what he says .He is a right winging warmongerning guy, but at least he is willing to defend this country.,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 04/14/2008
- KOisGod I'm a Fan of KOisGod 342 fans permalink
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McCain reminds me of the going senile old man, who once had a proud independent mind and was a pull himself up from the boot straps type of guy.

But as old age ate away at his mind, he mistook the phone calls to his home at 11 in morning from scam artists and religious husksters as caring invidivduals, who called him "his friend", and pretty soon he was putting all kinds of purchases on his credit cards for worthless crap or stuff that would never get delivered.

But one day, the calls stopped coming, as he maxed out his credit cards, and the hucksters had moved on to their next victim.

America, this man cannot become our President. He simply cannot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 04/14/2008
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now I know why Hillary was so complimentary to John McCain, seems there's a agreement between the two camps:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash1jm.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 04/14/2008
- Bobzmcishl I'm a Fan of Bobzmcishl 42 fans permalink
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Other than environmental issues, McCain is as conservative as Bush, and would be a disaster for America is he is elected in November. I say this not because of his convervative positions but because 12 years of failed Bush policies would compound our already considerable problems. The country has tilted way too far to the right and we need a president who will restore the balance more to the moderate side. Both Obama and Clinton would fill that bill. Neither one is the "liberal" that the Republican's would like us to think - they are just more liberal than McCain which isn't saying much. But they will both be far more likely to get us out of Iraq sooner and take actions to fix our health care systems and social security. McCain doesn't think anything needs fixing and that is truly scary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 04/14/2008
- McSurgent I'm a Fan of McSurgent 2 fans permalink

The things some folks will say about one of America's heros with the Right Stuff. And yet we defend your right to say it.

Obama is a Wright Winger - how's that!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 04/14/2008
- LoriAnn I'm a Fan of LoriAnn 10 fans permalink

and your a MC Idiot!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 04/14/2008

Lori, wake up and smell the Starbucks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 04/14/2008
- SonnyBono I'm a Fan of SonnyBono 21 fans permalink

Shouldn't there be some statue of limitations on this "war-hero" business?

McCain was a volunteer so in the words of your leader DICK Cheney, "So".

McCain was shot down - the north Vietnamese beat the crap out of him but he survived - I'm happy for him, really but I don't believe that qualifies him as a hero with a life time pass on all the BS that he puts out - would anyone else get a pass on his personal life since Vietnam or the Keating Five scandal or the numerous flip-flops on important issues?

McCain is wrong on Iraq, he is wrong on the economy, he is wrong on health insurance - he is pretty much wrong on all the issues that matter to America and the picture would be clearer to the world in general if the MSM didn't have an ongoing love affair with the "old straight talker".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 04/14/2008

You want a limit on being a war hero, but think skiing at any age is a good idea?

While you have the right, as John McCain fought to protect, to have an opinion on what a hero is, your statements indicate that you have no credibility to support your opinion.

yeah - the Keating Five scandal ... Do you hold the same contempt for Senator John Glenn, who was found to have just as little guilt as John McCain? How about Riegle, Cranston and DiConcini - the ones who actually were found to have participated in the malfeasance?

Do you hold similar contempt for President Clinton - the one so enamored with DiConcini's ethics that WJC appointed him to the board of directors for the federal home loan corp?

Sure - you can throw some sound-bite allegations about Senator McCain. Yes, the Keating scandal could be thrown about as FUD. But how's this for heroic? Senator McCain took his experiences with the Keating incident and corrected the problem. John McCain reached across the aisle to work with one of the only Senators who is actually more left than Senator Obama. The result is the campaign finance reform designed to restrict the unethical behavior from the late 1980's.

By comparison, Senator Rodham tries to bolster her reputation with lies about dodging bullets. Senator Obama, he waits until he leaves Pennsylvania before telling the cumfy elite how bitter the good folks of PA are ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 04/14/2008
- Nyla785 I'm a Fan of Nyla785 9 fans permalink

It's clear McCain is going to try to 'cruise' on his hero image...hoping all the way that the public is too busy trying to keep body & soul together to look at his record and see EXACTLY how right wing he is, and how he will keep this country on the wrong track in the future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 04/14/2008

kinda like Senator McCain trying to 'cruise' on his uniter image.

Only, John McCain actually has a record of being heroic ... and an actual record of uniting across both political parties. Senator Obama, he can't even unite his own party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 04/14/2008

Based on many of the comments here I don't think there is a realistic understanding of how many voters view John McCain.

Personally, because I do follow politics and issues closely, I'm well aware of McCain's far right voting record in the Senate and his steadfast stands on the social, economic and financial issues in America...but...I talk to people every day that tell me over and over again about how moderate he is or that he's close to being a Democrat or that at the very least he's very independent.

I think when the actual head to head debates begin we'll see just how far to the right this man really is...and how far he will go and the things he will say to be elected.

God knows I hope so...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 04/14/2008
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