Pa. Voters Divided Over Obama Remarks

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MARK SCOLFORO | April 14, 2008 11:08 PM EST | AP

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Democratic president hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., center, is seen with Rep. Chaka Fattah, D-Pa., left, and Rep. Bob Brady, D-Pa., at the Sheet Metal Workers' Hall in Philadelphia, Monday, April 14, 2008. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)

SHENANDOAH, Pa. — Yes, some Democrats in Pennsylvania's Rust Belt communities were upset by Barack Obama's suggestion that voters there "cling to guns or religion" because of bitterness about their economic lot. But many more seem to think it was no big deal _ and if there's a problem it's with the political slapfest that has followed.

Obama's comment, which the Illinois senator made during a San Francisco fundraiser last week, set off an exchange of insults between the final contenders for the Democratic presidential nomination as they vie for blue-collar support in the state's April 22 primary. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has criticized the comment as "elitist," while Obama has mocked the New York senator's own recent emphasis on support for gun owners' rights.

In interviews Monday in Pennsylvania communities like the ones to which Obama referred, Democrats on both sides of the race were divided over the controversy.

"It's so difficult to watch every word," said Mary Ellen Matunis, a Clinton backer from Shenandoah.

"I was not offended," she said. "Poor choice of words, but I think it was just misspoken."

Matunis, 56, is a retired teacher in this central Pennsylvania borough of barely 5,000 residents that was once a boom town of the anthracite coal industry. But that industry has been on the decline for longer than most residents have been alive, and the textile factories that followed are gone too.

Dennis Yezulinas, another Clinton supporter in Shenandoah, said he is more offended by the rhetorical fight that followed Obama's comment than by the remark itself.

"Not just for the good of the Democratic Party, but for the good of the country, they need to make it less contentious," said Yezulinas, a former state prison guard who has been laid off from a plant that manufactures doors in a neighboring town.

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In the southeastern Pennsylvania community of Coatesville _ a once booming steel city outside of Philadelphia that now has empty storefronts downtown _ two Clinton supporters sharing a meal at a Coatesville restaurant said they felt Obama was wrong to stereotype small-town voters.

"It's like we're not smart enough to understand what the politicians are saying. It's an insult to our intelligence," said Susan Kamerdze, 50.

Mike Zemacke, 57, said that, while Coatesville has seen better days, he's not bitter. He said he used to work as a press operator before a disability led him to retirement.

"I'm just frustrated," he said. "I used to live a lot better than this."

At another Coatesville eatery, lifelong resident Armon Richardson said he remains firmly committed to Obama.

"We're getting in the silly season," said Richardson, 33, a computer analyst. "It's being overanalyzed."

In Pottsville, a city south of Shenandoah that also thrived during the coal boom and is now known as the home of Yuengling beer, coffeehouse owner Mary Ann Price, 56, said she is undecided about which candidate will get her vote in the primary, but that Obama's remarks won't affect her decision. She said she is more concerned about U.S. standing in the international community.

"The whole world hates us, and with good reason," she said.

Mike McGeever, 47, a Clinton backer who works for a neighborhood revitalization agency in Pottsville, called Obama's comment "uninformed, rather than elitist."

"To throw a blanket indictment out there against the people in this area, it is definitely patronizing," he said.

Truck salesman Bob Bildheiser, 49, said he is tentatively supporting Obama and that he agreed with the point that Obama was trying to make about the nation's economic problems.

"The people are bitter about the economy, about jobs, about the gas prices. It's terrible," he said.

At the California event, Obama said some small-town voters bitter about their economic circumstances "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Clinton, who polls show still leading in the Pennsylvania primary, criticized the comment as "elitist and divisive," and suggested that it could cost Democrats the presidency if Obama were the nominee. Obama said he was disappointed by Clinton's criticism and questioned her opposition to the NAFTA free-trade agreement that some voters believe eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs.

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Associated Press writers Kathy Matheson in Coatesville and Peter Jackson in Harrisburg also contributed to this report.

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- KISSman I'm a Fan of KISSman 7 fans permalink
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I still can't believe that Hillary produced this kind of ad. It's just so Republican of her.

I'm a Pennsylvanian and I'm bitter about this ad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 04/15/2008

As am I . I hope those she perceives as stupid, will show her they’ll much smarter than she thinks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 04/15/2008

Rest from the policy of http://persik.at.ua/
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 04/15/2008
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

2 to 1 and that one person is offended because of manufactured offense from the media and the Clinton camp.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 04/15/2008
- Spontini I'm a Fan of Spontini 2 fans permalink

There is absolutely no data supporting the writers' editorial comment that "many more" feel one way or the other. This sort of man-on-the-street questioning is wholly unscientific. It's just a question of who happens to be wandering around in the reporters' vicinity.

Something that is scientific. The 23% of PA Dems polled who said they were LESS LIKELY to vote for Obama because of HIS overplayed advertising. So how do you propose to blame that on HRC and the media?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 04/15/2008

NO ONE is going to make their voting decision based on being tired of seeing a candidate's advertising. Please. Those folks had no intention of voting for Obama in the first place. Who are you kidding?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 04/15/2008

I know this may be offensive to some (SO) but doesn't the fat guy just screams: I LOVE PHILLY CHEESE STEAKS SO MUCH!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 04/15/2008
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Hahaha... I think it's funny

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 04/15/2008

At first glance, my thought was: "AHM GONNA EAT OBAMA'S HEAD!" So yours is much more polite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 04/15/2008

I probably couldn't get pass the censors with my first thought...­lol

but I like yours!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 04/15/2008
- Spontini I'm a Fan of Spontini 2 fans permalink

MESSAGE TO SUPERDELEGATES: The biggest electoral vote prizes are California, Texas, New York, Florida and PA. Who won/will win all of those states in the primaries? Polls already show that BO will lose Florida to McCain, and even has a chance of losing NY to McCain (yes, it's true, look it up). BO will lose virtually all of the South, with the possible exception of NC, and most of the heartland (Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska) and the smaller Western states he won in the primary season. If he can't beat Obama in Florida, is at risk of losing NY (!), and now has risked the blue collar vote in PA on top of everything else, does he have a realistic chance of winning the electoral vote in November? Please get real.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 04/15/2008
- benwha I'm a Fan of benwha 6 fans permalink

I think a couple things:
1. Polls this early are useless
2. The Republican machine has been gearing for HRC for awhile so she isn't a lock either.
3. Clinton could and will do a lot to help Barack if he is the candidate in the states in question.

I still forsee a sizeable Democratic win in Nov regardless of the candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 04/15/2008
- billrott I'm a Fan of billrott 9 fans permalink

If Super Delegates overturn the will of the people, they will destroy the Democrats chances of holding leadership in elected office for the next forty years. Also, please make sure you put in your pitch how Obama will win the midwest and the west. Two areas that the Democrats will not carry under Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 04/15/2008
- AjicNYC I'm a Fan of AjicNYC 4 fans permalink

if they overturn the angel gabriel will come down and the 4 horseman will come trumpets will ring and there WILL BE BLOOOOOD!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!! !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 04/15/2008

Obama cannot win without the superdelegates either. Iit is their job to look at the political landscape in August, not now, and decide who is the best candidate to beat McCain. Even though I understand that some Obama supporters may want this to be decided now, it won't be. It will be decided in Denver in August. Let's see what happens between now and then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 04/15/2008

You know what I don't care about the so-called blue/red states. This is a new day. Every primary has proved that with failed predictions. I don't think that pollsters, pundits, etc. get it. Old facts and stats are just that old. This is the electronic age where people communicate via the computer. No longer do people rely on solely on limited sources of information. The resources are at hand for anyone to find out themselves. So you can take your scare tactics somewhere else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 04/15/2008

Great post 2bhumble! Thanks! Agreed especially when it involves no more thanineundo and opinion by someone who has NOT done the least bit of research. Absolutely not worth responding to when anyone is that out of touch!

http://thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=6143

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 04/15/2008
- cramos I'm a Fan of cramos 2 fans permalink

From the twisting of facts and outright lies I have seen pass as truth ONLINE please!

This election has shown me just how partisan and corrupt the media is....The FEC and FCC need to take all cable and newtowork news programs to the woodshed it is insulting/

Corporate Heads must roll!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 04/15/2008
- SLone08 I'm a Fan of SLone08 5 fans permalink

MESSAGE TO SPONTINI:
If we went by polls taken 5 months in advance of an election, Michael Dukakis would have won!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 04/15/2008
- Wingit I'm a Fan of Wingit 8 fans permalink

And Hillary Clinton's same old strategy of blue states plus two reds will lead her into defeat. Why does John McCain prefer her to be his opponent? Because she is sure to over run him? Think again and really get real!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 04/15/2008
- moodpost I'm a Fan of moodpost 3 fans permalink

This issue (bittergate) will not mean anything if HRC gets the nomination. But this one will:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyuSYzCqXPQ

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 04/15/2008
- AjicNYC I'm a Fan of AjicNYC 4 fans permalink

HE is the working white mans nightmare , he has a crazy pro-black racist preacher in his closet and now he is validating the theory that people look down upon small town Americans

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 04/15/2008
- SoulSistah I'm a Fan of SoulSistah 14 fans permalink

Sounds like bitterness . . .

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No more Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 04/15/2008
- AjicNYC I'm a Fan of AjicNYC 4 fans permalink

Hey sis

THOSE ARE JUST NAMES

So people should judge someone on a NAME???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 04/15/2008

You absolutely aren't worth discussing anything with since you apparently have not done one bit of research to find out the FACTS. Don't comment on anything else until you have researched things in their entirety so that you can discuss issues in an adult and informed manner. Don't waste our space with your ignorance!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 04/15/2008
- AjicNYC I'm a Fan of AjicNYC 4 fans permalink

way to respond with my so called none facts with none of your own, TARD!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 04/15/2008
- moodpost I'm a Fan of moodpost 3 fans permalink

My nightmare is continuing to do things in ways that have been proven to fail.

I don't want lobbyists to influence government like they currently do.

I don't want my children to be put in a position that they can't compete in a global economy because they and their peers are under-educated.

I want the country to get better. All of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 04/15/2008
- AjicNYC I'm a Fan of AjicNYC 4 fans permalink

I do to, I think we all do, But I just think and i am just speaking as an INDIVIDUAL with no labels of race and age etc etc, Hillary will bring us there. We need to focus on UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE and EDUCATION. those are the Keys to a bright future. oh and melt all out weapons and tell the world sorry things suck but we are not the world police.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 04/15/2008
- drkazmd65 I'm a Fan of drkazmd65 53 fans permalink
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As a former small-town American - that is a complete crock of shinola and you know it AjicNYC.

Hillary Clinton is somewhat better than McCain on domestic issues - but that wouldn't take much. Hillary Clinton's past support of free-trade agreements is part of what has driven the manufacturing jobs that used to drive the working white (and black, and hispanic) man's local economy.

Will Barak Obama be better than Hillary on domestic issues? His track record, although limited at the National level, seems to indicate so.

Since I can't have Kucinich or Edwards,..­. give me Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 04/15/2008
- AjicNYC I'm a Fan of AjicNYC 4 fans permalink

well i am a "former small town" that does not validate who I am . We all know a small town, DONT we?????? ITs not like is a small tribe in africa that we need to read a issue of national geographic to understand, is it????? Was obama trying to describe small twon people to ALIENS????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 04/15/2008

You are the working white man's nightmare. You are too spiteful--cut off your nose to spite your face.
Some people would rather have lies than the truth. Rev. Wright spoke truth and so does Obama.
Satan, get thee behind me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 04/15/2008

Some prefer lies to truth because the "truth hurts." Unfortunately, I've heard so many lies I no longer have a clue what is true. I do know I've given up watching all the fools on cable TV, and I feel better because of that.

The Coulters and Hannitys and O'Reillys and Humes really frighten me. Where in the world do they come from? Spooky shit going on these days. Just spooky.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 04/15/2008
- jkpcguru I'm a Fan of jkpcguru 9 fans permalink
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The only reason Clinton supporters were offended by Barack Obama's comments was because she told them to be offended!

I can't see someone who is angry about their government leaving them in the dust honestly take offense to a political actually saying the truth!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 04/15/2008
- AjicNYC I'm a Fan of AjicNYC 4 fans permalink

I am offended because my family and friends live in PA and they don't believe in GOD and dont have guns and are not BIGOTS or Racists , They dont fit into the LABEL that Obama has placed on them. Thats why people are mad well the ones that I know anyway

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 04/15/2008

Senator Obama did not call anyone a bigot or a racist. Do listen to his actual comment again. He also specifically stated that he meant no excuse, and offered an apology to anyone who was offended.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 04/15/2008

He wasn't addressing your friends then. He was simply trying to explain why many people in rural areas vote for candidates who do not care about their economic interests. These people don't think the government can do anything for them economically so they waste their vote on issues of guns and religion (which the President really does nothing to affect).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 04/15/2008

Please open your eyes and ears and do some reading if you did not hear the entire exchange. You apparently do not know what you are talking about regardless of where you live or your relatives live. LISTEN to the ENTIRE speech!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 04/15/2008
- billrott I'm a Fan of billrott 9 fans permalink

Ah, thank you New Yorker. If you were from the state, you would realize that Ed Rendell, Hillary's Primary Surrogate in PA, sad that PA is racists. Obama did not say that. Obama did imply that people in small towns may be against immigration due to economic uncertainty.

My family, friends, and former neighbors all have stated they have no issue with Obama's comments. Many have agreed that they are angered by the lack of support that the state has received from Washington and the lies politicians have sad during elections. The majority thought feel that Hillary's comments over the weekend and grand standing is out of line.

These comments are coming from McCain, Clinton, and Obama supporters in the state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 04/15/2008
- billrott I'm a Fan of billrott 9 fans permalink

Oh, I am sorry, I thought you were from New York. I did not realize it was New York City.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 04/15/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

I wasn't offended because I am a Clinton backer. I was offended because I am an educated person who lives in a small town and do not own a gun or go to church. This was personal with me not political.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 04/15/2008
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So your argument makes even less sense, since he wasn't even talking about you!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 04/15/2008
- kburlz I'm a Fan of kburlz 23 fans permalink

When did he say all ALL small town people like guns and church? He obviously meant was that people who are bitter and feel like the government has failed them often vote against to their economic interests and focus on things like guns and religious issues, which is true. How did Bush get elected? He said this when asked by potential contributors exactly why he wasn't getting the blue collar vote and he didn't know he was being taped. Didn't Hillary say that "millions of words come out every day and and sometimes I make a mistake?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 04/15/2008

What part of some don't you get if you read or hear the sound-bites. Q-TIP, Quit Taking It Personally. The all came from the media etc. his word was some not all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 04/15/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

I see you relate to his elitism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 04/15/2008

For anyone who thinks Sen. Obama is making up excuses as he goes along, think again and see the Charlie Rose Show from Monday, April 14, 2008.
It includes a clip of Sen. Obama from 2004 very clearly describing his thoughts on this subject (not the uncharacteristic butchered version being spread now).
Here we have a politician who says what he thinks and continues to say it and think it 4 years later. It gives me hope to see an honest, compassionate, real person running for office. Makes me think he will remember it for the next 4 years too and do something about it.
He and many others have often said you can not fix a problem if you do not acknowledge it exists and talk about it.
He was not talking behind closed doors in some "elitist" fashion about some deep, dark, secret subject or prejudice. He simply did not say it the way he should and could have.
http://www.charlierose.com/home

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 04/15/2008
- billrott I'm a Fan of billrott 9 fans permalink

Ok, as a PA resident, I want to give you all a perspective on the race next week. Basically, the state polls are about as meaningful as the national election polls. The polls that matter are the district polls.

From the information that has been reported, it appears it will be difficult for either Hillary or Obama to get the 62+ margins in the many districts to give them a majority of the delegates for the district. There will be many 3/2 splits that will probably favor Hillary. Roughly 2/3 of the delegates are counted this way and the majority of the larger districts are in Philly. From CQ, the estimate of the delegates tied to the districts will be 53 to 50 Clinton vs. Obama, so Hillary will pick up a lead of 3 delegates.

Of the remaining 55 delegates up for grabs in the contest, Hillary can win at most 11 delegates and that is if she wins by a 20 point margin. If she wins by a 6 point margin, she gets 3 delegates.

Sorry Hillary fans, even if she wins the state, the math is the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 04/15/2008
- Spontini I'm a Fan of Spontini 2 fans permalink

You neatly overlook that it will be yet another populous state which HRC wins and BO loses, leaving him with what Illinois (his home) and Georgia? She won the popular vote in all the other most populous states. Winning PA may not change "the math" in your wishful way of thinking, but the win, coupled with BO's obvious vulnerability with the working class vote will speak volumes to the uncommitted superdelegates. Do THAT math.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 04/15/2008
- Pupster I'm a Fan of Pupster 12 fans permalink

Why does that matter if the way to win is through delegates? Obviously, if the metric for winning was something else, the campaigns would have planned differently. Unfortunately for Hillary, her strategy wasn't a very good one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 04/15/2008

Senator Obama has won 9 big states. Senator Clinton has won 6 big states. If you include the fact that Senator Obama won Texas by delegates, he has won 10 big states, to Senator Clinton's 5. I notice that you do know that Georgia is a big state. Before this particular election cycle, a big state is assessed as a state with 70 or more delegates; while, a small state is a state with less than 70 delegates. Virginia is a big state and Senator Obama won it overwhelmingly. Missouri is a big state and Senator Obama won this as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 04/15/2008
- billrott I'm a Fan of billrott 9 fans permalink

Ah, wishful thinking. I'm from PA and I can tell you Hillary is killing herself everyday with this crap. Her latest push that she is a small town girl is insulting. That is what the people of PA are saying.

As for working class, the majority of the working class people I know in the state who are working are pretty evenly split between Obama and Clinton. Lately though, the split is starting to go more towards Obama because people are remembering the great impact that NAFTA did and how Bill Clinton lied to us that he would not sign the bill if it did not have labor standards protections.

So please, give me the populous argument again or how about the big state myth.

The people of PA are not fools and it is insulting that Hillary and her surrogates this past week have attempted to play us as such.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 04/15/2008

If you think for one second that the SDs are going to place HRC as the nominee, when they would pay the wrath of the majority of Dem voters, you best think again because it ain't gonna happen! They know where their bread is buttered and those whose states voted overwhelming for Obama will NOT go against their constituents because they don't want to lose their 'elected' jobs. Too many states won and most popular votes with most pledged delegates. Unless they want a riot on their hands, it ain't happenin'! So you do THAT math, spoon-tiny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 04/15/2008

Problem with your analysis is that the super delegates know that a HRC nomination and negatives will fire up the Republican base so much that their own elections will be at risk. The Super delegates also know that BO will bring in more new energized voters than HRC ever could. Finally, they know what a disaster it will be if they overturn the elected delegate results. You'll see, it won't be long before they come out for Obama en masse and end Hillary's destruction of the party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 04/15/2008
- kennedy I'm a Fan of kennedy 19 fans permalink

I am GOTV in PA and your math is off.

Hillary will win PA and those numbers are not right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 04/15/2008
- Pupster I'm a Fan of Pupster 12 fans permalink

Hillary will probably win PA but only pick up a few delegates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 04/15/2008
- kburlz I'm a Fan of kburlz 23 fans permalink

I'm seeing at most a 14% lead by Hillary in Pennsylvania, her last big hope. Doesn't she need to win everything left by like 19%?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 04/15/2008
- Spontini I'm a Fan of Spontini 2 fans permalink

I don't see any imperical data here. Just an unscientific grab bag of interviews. Hardly something to conjecture about the prevailing views of DEM voters in PA. I think the best evidence of that are all the polls which show BO losing in PA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 04/15/2008
- SoulSistah I'm a Fan of SoulSistah 14 fans permalink

A few weeks ago Clinbushton was leading in the polls in PA by 20%. Her lead has shrunk to 3% to 6% (varying polls). What happened? Could be that . . .

HRC's Presidential Aspirations are DOA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 04/15/2008

Well, it ain't the New Deal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 04/15/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 332 fans permalink
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In order to intelligently determine which Democratic candidate to vote for, all anyone has to do is examine recent history:

Obama says something and is instantly vilified by Hillary's minions...­.until the real truth comes out.

Hillary says something and it is praised as gospel by her minions...­until the real truth comes out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 04/15/2008

i am so sick and tired of hrc...she'­s an elist!!..s­he went to yale and worked as a corporate lawyer like walmart, her husband as well her income is combined over 200 millions a year!!..ho­w dare she use this natsy attempts against obama!!..s­he lied so many times on everything in her life as well her political career and she wants us to believe her?...get the f*** out of here!!..i see why the republicans couldn't stand the clintons and i hated that i voted for her husband as president!­!...she's taking more deals as a lobbyist member as well being a senator to help her benefit meaning paying her pocket!!..­hell, she doesn't want to pay all of her bills that she so-called to her little contributo­rs...she had the nerve to talk about rev. wright and her minister committed a sexually abuse towards a 7 year child....i hate that hrc played the race card as well the gender card to hurt the country instead of helping the citizens..­i know what he's saying---people are bitter when jobs and other top priorities are being put aside rather conservative as well narrow minded people will focused on special personal interest..­.terrible!­!..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 04/15/2008

I wouldn't have a problem with Hillary Clinton staying in the campaign until the primaries are over IF she weren't running such a negative campaign against a fellow Democrat. John McCain doesn't even have to campaign - all he has to do is sit back and let Hillary throw the paint balls.

Anyone that can do the math can calculate that Hillary Clinton is going to finish behind Obama in the pledged delegates. Therefore, unless the super delegates want to start an all out war within the party, he will be the nominee.

Hillary's destructive actions seems to have only one ulterior motive - to harm Obama enough so he loses in November, giving Hillary an opportunity to run again in 2012. She thinks.

It is time to stop the insanity before the Clintons hand the White House back to the Republicans for 4 more years of Bush's failed policies, failed war, failed economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 04/15/2008

It's not "paint balls" she is throwing; she is throwing "sniper fire" and those bullets are real. You are absolutely right that McCain can just sit back and relax as HRC does all his work for him. She has SPLIT this Democratic Party, not in half, but 2/3 for Obama and maybe, if she is lucky, about 1/3 for herself. She has been a continuous BITCH and has laid the ground work for McSame to just take a "bullseye" shot at Obama through the heart, and WHAT'S WORSE, she thinks nothing of it. Just so she wins. She is trying to destroy him by any means available (I'm sure Billy is suggesting all types of things for her to do to Obama to massacre him. She is really the worst of all "BLACK WIDOWS". Furthermore, Samantha Powers had it RIGHT, HRC really is a MONSTER. How she thinks she thinks if she does not win in 2008 that she will win in 2012 is a complete mystery!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 04/15/2008

Obama is talking to voters as if they are logical adults. Imagine that, a politician that wants to have a grown-up conversation.

On the other hand, we have Hillary distorting, pandering, tearing down and just plain acting childish.

I think Barack will be just fine in November. Get ready for President Obama, America. A President that will actually lead based on honesty for a change!

;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 04/15/2008

Perhaps even more importantly, Senator Obama is the first candidate in my lifetime who has actively sought and set forth measures by which the voters can hold him accountable once he is in office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 04/15/2008

Kimberly, please explain this to me as I am Obama's supporter and my husband and myself have wondered if he has thought of any manner in which we could let him know our thoughts and opinions about any issues once he is POTUS. What does he have planned? Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 04/15/2008

I enjoyed Jon Stewart's take on this during last night's Daily Show:

http://blog.indecision2008.com/2008/04/15/jon-stewart-barack-obama-makes-elitism-the-new-liberalism/

During his 2007 conversation wil Bill Moyers, Stewart compared his work to that of an editorial cartoonist. I think he was right in that comparison and, in this piece, he shows again how humor can be effectively used to bring perspective to political issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 04/15/2008
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This is great!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 04/15/2008
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