Pa. Voters Divided Over Obama Remarks

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MARK SCOLFORO | April 14, 2008 11:08 PM EST | AP

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Democratic president hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., center, is seen with Rep. Chaka Fattah, D-Pa., left, and Rep. Bob Brady, D-Pa., at the Sheet Metal Workers' Hall in Philadelphia, Monday, April 14, 2008. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)

SHENANDOAH, Pa. — Yes, some Democrats in Pennsylvania's Rust Belt communities were upset by Barack Obama's suggestion that voters there "cling to guns or religion" because of bitterness about their economic lot. But many more seem to think it was no big deal _ and if there's a problem it's with the political slapfest that has followed.

Obama's comment, which the Illinois senator made during a San Francisco fundraiser last week, set off an exchange of insults between the final contenders for the Democratic presidential nomination as they vie for blue-collar support in the state's April 22 primary. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has criticized the comment as "elitist," while Obama has mocked the New York senator's own recent emphasis on support for gun owners' rights.

In interviews Monday in Pennsylvania communities like the ones to which Obama referred, Democrats on both sides of the race were divided over the controversy.

"It's so difficult to watch every word," said Mary Ellen Matunis, a Clinton backer from Shenandoah.

"I was not offended," she said. "Poor choice of words, but I think it was just misspoken."

Matunis, 56, is a retired teacher in this central Pennsylvania borough of barely 5,000 residents that was once a boom town of the anthracite coal industry. But that industry has been on the decline for longer than most residents have been alive, and the textile factories that followed are gone too.

Dennis Yezulinas, another Clinton supporter in Shenandoah, said he is more offended by the rhetorical fight that followed Obama's comment than by the remark itself.

"Not just for the good of the Democratic Party, but for the good of the country, they need to make it less contentious," said Yezulinas, a former state prison guard who has been laid off from a plant that manufactures doors in a neighboring town.

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In the southeastern Pennsylvania community of Coatesville _ a once booming steel city outside of Philadelphia that now has empty storefronts downtown _ two Clinton supporters sharing a meal at a Coatesville restaurant said they felt Obama was wrong to stereotype small-town voters.

"It's like we're not smart enough to understand what the politicians are saying. It's an insult to our intelligence," said Susan Kamerdze, 50.

Mike Zemacke, 57, said that, while Coatesville has seen better days, he's not bitter. He said he used to work as a press operator before a disability led him to retirement.

"I'm just frustrated," he said. "I used to live a lot better than this."

At another Coatesville eatery, lifelong resident Armon Richardson said he remains firmly committed to Obama.

"We're getting in the silly season," said Richardson, 33, a computer analyst. "It's being overanalyzed."

In Pottsville, a city south of Shenandoah that also thrived during the coal boom and is now known as the home of Yuengling beer, coffeehouse owner Mary Ann Price, 56, said she is undecided about which candidate will get her vote in the primary, but that Obama's remarks won't affect her decision. She said she is more concerned about U.S. standing in the international community.

"The whole world hates us, and with good reason," she said.

Mike McGeever, 47, a Clinton backer who works for a neighborhood revitalization agency in Pottsville, called Obama's comment "uninformed, rather than elitist."

"To throw a blanket indictment out there against the people in this area, it is definitely patronizing," he said.

Truck salesman Bob Bildheiser, 49, said he is tentatively supporting Obama and that he agreed with the point that Obama was trying to make about the nation's economic problems.

"The people are bitter about the economy, about jobs, about the gas prices. It's terrible," he said.

At the California event, Obama said some small-town voters bitter about their economic circumstances "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Clinton, who polls show still leading in the Pennsylvania primary, criticized the comment as "elitist and divisive," and suggested that it could cost Democrats the presidency if Obama were the nominee. Obama said he was disappointed by Clinton's criticism and questioned her opposition to the NAFTA free-trade agreement that some voters believe eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs.

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Associated Press writers Kathy Matheson in Coatesville and Peter Jackson in Harrisburg also contributed to this report.

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“One of the secrets of understanding polls is to identify the intensity of voters’ feelings. A majority of voters may say they care about sensible gun safety measures, but they are not as adamant as the minority of voters who oppose any kind of gun control. The intense voters show up to vote for or against a candidate based on that one position, sometimes known as a wedge issue. The majority vote on a host of other issues or don’t vote at all. I knew that many of the Administration’s accomplishments could be framed as wedge issues. Most Republican voters were intensely opposed to the upper-income tax increase for deficit reduction, the Brady bill and the assault weapons ban, which had passed in 1994 and made it illegal to manufacture, sell or possess nineteen of the most dangerous semi-automatic weapons. The National Rifle Association, the religious Right and anti-tax interest groups were more motivated than ever.”
Hillary Clinton, 2003 Living History

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 04/15/2008

The religious right is no longer dominant. Read Jim Wallis -- there is a new generation of young and passionate evangelicals who care more about global poverty and the environment than gay marriage. These voters will easily flock to Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 04/15/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 324 fans permalink
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Ruh-oh!!!!!
By a 2 to 1 margin, PA voters didn't buy Hillary's latest tossing of the "kitchen sink".

Will the last person out the door at Hillary HQ please lower the thermostat and turn off the lights?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 04/15/2008
- ChrisS13 I'm a Fan of ChrisS13 5 fans permalink

so 33% of Democrats were offended and you don't think that's a big deal going into the general? How many independants and Republicans were offended?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 04/15/2008
- SoulSistah I'm a Fan of SoulSistah 14 fans permalink

33%? Link please . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 04/15/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 324 fans permalink
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Considering the FACT that Dems have been very closely divided between Hillary and Obama, I'd say that a 67/33 split is pretty damned good for Obama going into a primary in the state, and given the Herculean efforts by Hillary & Co. to falsely portray his comments as "elitist".

Inides and Repubs are sitting on the sidelines and watching this play out.
That indicates that they're likely also taking the time to find out the truth of his comments, which will also serve Obama well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 04/15/2008

First, I too would like a link. Second, assuming your numbers are accurate, I don't think we can be certain that anyone was actually offended. I find that many of Senator Clinton's most ardent supporters find offense simply because they believe it will assist their preferred candidate. The real question is what is more important to these voters: ensuring Senator Clinton's nomination even if it destroys the Democratic party for decades; or achieving real healthcare reform, improving our educational system, ending our dependence on foreign oil, helping the middle class and those who have fallen into poverty, getting out of the war in Iraq and the 2-4 Supreme Court Justices who will be appointed in the next President's term. What is more important to you?

There certainly may be some who were offended by the comments themselves and when taken out of context and stretched by others, but Senator Obama has already addressed these. He specifically stated that he did not mean to offend and he apologized to anyone whom he did offend.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 04/15/2008
- Missmn I'm a Fan of Missmn 2 fans permalink

So, are you saying that 33% of Democrats would vote for McCain in November over this? I'm a registered independent and have no problem with what was said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 04/15/2008

More importantly, pay the incurred bills before you run out of PA or they may never be paid!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 04/15/2008
- CTmom13 I'm a Fan of CTmom13 9 fans permalink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS2UkRSUoPo&eurl=http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

Sen Obama's newest online web ad - it's goodw/Hillary YELLING

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 04/15/2008

Thank you for the link.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 04/15/2008

Great ad! Thanks for sharing!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 04/15/2008

Hillary's shouting that she will keep taking big money from lobbyists.

I think she needs to keep shouting that from the podium at every campaign event, and then be sure and shout it at the debate tomorrow.

Then we will see a glimpse of the REAL Hillary. (upchucking)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 04/15/2008
- SoulSistah I'm a Fan of SoulSistah 14 fans permalink

She desperately needs the donations. Her red phone has been disconnected for nonpayment . . . again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 04/15/2008

I think she bought them shots to be in the commercial.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 04/15/2008
- Dan1967 I'm a Fan of Dan1967 4 fans permalink

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 04/15/2008
- mslindab I'm a Fan of mslindab 6 fans permalink

I wish someone would post Robert Reich's column here. (Sorry I don't know how.) We are all being pulled in by the media finding a 'big' story that could drag out over 5 days now. Senator Obama meant no disrespect. In fact, he was responding to the implication that poorer white voters would not vote for a black man and thus gave a list of why people in a certain socieconomic category choose their candidates and/or issues and that it WAS NOT about race. At least, that is my take on what I read. If you see the interview he did on Charlie Rose in 2004 (replayed last night) he explained it far better than he did last week. There have been lots of 'reasons' to be insulted by things that these candidates say. My husband and I do not fit the profile of Obama supporters and could certainly take offense by characterizations that are put forth by Clintonites. What we are more offended by is the ineffectiveness of a national government that bankrupts our nation with military and economic policies that put all of us in danger. We aren't setting the bar too high when we say we would choose Obama over a candidate who lies blatantly, publicly and repeatedly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 04/15/2008
- deutchs I'm a Fan of deutchs 3 fans permalink
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This is a non-issue. Hillary's campaign as devolved into playing gotcha against Obama when ever they have the chance. Remember "plagerism-gate". Well, it continues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 04/15/2008

Obama is betting on Americans to be smarter than the pundits and those in Washington give them credit. He is betting that people will be smart enough to see through these type of distractions. If you are not smart enough to see this as nothing more than a distortion and distraction, you are not as smart as he is giving you credit for.

Clinton, McCain and the media are the ones offending your intelligence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 04/15/2008
- realistxxx I'm a Fan of realistxxx 3 fans permalink

Agreed, but I am beginning to think betting on the intelligence of American people is a losing bet.

Let's not forget who votes into office time and time again all of these corrupt, ineffective and self-serving politicians that we lament continuously: The American People.

I like Obama's bet and it is the epitome of hope in ourselves. I also hope he stays with the strategy because it is a big change for a candidate to talk to us honestly and as intelligent adults.

However, I am less and less convinced that it will lead to his election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 04/15/2008

Don't be to hard on us. Remember we usually do not have much choice in elections. I agree it is a dismal reflection on all of us that President Bush was elected twice, but I do believe we have learned a hard life lesson. I know there is much dispute about both of those elections, but even if President Bush actually lost, he came close enough to steal both elections.

This year we do have an entirely different candidate in Senator Obama. Many of us are too cynical to trust him and I cannot blame people especially after the last 7+ years of incompetence and corruption. Nevertheless, the more people know Senator Obama, the better he does. We are a decent people, who desperately want to believe in our Government again. Senator Obama offers us the chance to believe again and also, incredibly, the ability to hold the government accountable for that belief. Every day that passes leaves me more and more convinced that Senator Obama will be the 44th President of the United States.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 04/15/2008
- Intruder I'm a Fan of Intruder 2 fans permalink

Notice what Hillary has done here with her ad. Despite all the feigned outrage over the use of the word "bitter," that word only makes a single passing reference in the ad. Rather, with a bit of sleight of hand, Hillary chose to focus on the "cling to guns or religion" portion only, in a vacuum, completely divorced of its context. Pushing the hot button topics of guns and religion. Thus, in this ad Hillary is validating the very point Obama was making - that pandering politicians will try to divert focus away from real issues like the economy, and people's consequential "bitterness" (Hillary has every motivation to divert these discussions with her NAFTA & Colombia issues) and instead stomp on a platform of wedge issues like religion and guns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 04/15/2008
- naturesway I'm a Fan of naturesway 12 fans permalink

NO, nobody believes that. Why, when Saint Obama makes a really stupid remark, do his supporters blame Clinton?
Really, what Obama said was insulting to a small town girl like me and many others.
The fact that he was talking behind our backs to an elite group of mega bazillionaires in San Fran is the height of arrogance.
No way to spin out of it. The deed is done and that seed has been planted.
Obama really doesn't GET small town America...and I think he is very wrong in his excuse why we are not backing him. He blames us instead of taking the blame for why we can not and will not vote for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 04/15/2008

Senator Obama did not mean to offend you and he apologized to everyone (which would include you) to whom he did give offense. There is no evidence that Senator Obama was speaking to a group of "bazillionaires" in Marin. Senator Obama did not blame you for the problems; he specifically blamed Washington's failure to respond to your needs for the last 25 years.

I wish you wouldn't refer to Senator Obama as "saint" as it offends me religiously. This abuse of the term "saint" demeans the saints in whom I believe. Will you apologize to me for causing offense?

Finally, I don't blame Senator Clinton for Senator Obama's ill-chosen words. I blame Senator Clinton for using the Republican vocabulary created to cause harm to Democrats and Democratic core values against Senator Obama in response to these ill-chosen words. There is a significant and very real difference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 04/15/2008
- benwha I'm a Fan of benwha 6 fans permalink

I am a small town boy and I and my family and friends took his comments the opposite. We felt he was speaking the truth. It was badly worded yes, but we feel we get the intent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 04/15/2008
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Clinton is being blamed for her intentional mischaracterization of his remarks. If you are "insulted" by his comments you need to do a little self-examination and figure out why. What is it that has made impossible for you to vote for him? What is in his record that you find so objectionable? You think multimillionaire Clinton "gets" small town America?

I suspect that you were never going to vote for Obama anyway and that's okay. Just don't pretend that you were ever open to the idea. This fake outrage on the part of Clinton supporters is growing tiresome.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 04/15/2008
- SLone08 I'm a Fan of SLone08 5 fans permalink

Yes, people do believe that and Intruder was talking about the ad, not Obama's comments. She would have been better off if she let this just run it's course in the media. Putting this ad out there is going to turn off a lot of people. People don't like to see Dems attacking other Dems so openly, especially when many admit there was truth behind Obama's poorly worded comments. This goes even more so for DNC elders and superdelegates. Barring a 20pt blowout by Hillary in PA, look for more Obama endorsements in the weeks to come.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 04/15/2008

Number one your own govenor said people in Penns. wouldn't vote for him because he's black. However, I will not dismiss your feelings, but what part of "some" don't you understand. I could understand the outrage if he he said all, but he said some. QTIP- Quit Taking It Personally. Secondly, if you believe that candidates, (yours inclusive) don't have closed door meetings with elites, I don't know what to say. Lastly, what is the reason why you are not backing him?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 04/15/2008

I have a simple Question for the Clinton Supporters. Why are you backing Hillary Clinton?

And I don't want any answers that have to do with Obama ex. because Obama's Pastore is Rev. Wright or because Obama called us bitter or any of your other opinons on Senator Obama do not count as a reason to back Hillary Clinton.

So I will ask it again WHY ARE YOU BACKING HILLARY CLINTON? what about her policies do you like or about the person that she is or whatever reason you have that directly deals with her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 04/15/2008
- Zanti I'm a Fan of Zanti 25 fans permalink
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Why am I backing Hillary Clinton? Why, just to piss you off, of course.

It's all about you.

By the way, what the heck is up with the dang menu that pops up when I'm trying to type (the one that starts off with "aol"?). Is this site messing with my browser (or vice versa)?

I find it easier to type things when the text isn't being obstructed. Just me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 04/15/2008

I don't know what is happening with your computer. I do know that you dodged the original question. If, in fact, you are supporting a candidate for the President of the United States simply to "piss" off someone you neither have met, nor are likely to meet, I don't think much of your decision-making skills. I don't believe this is the truth, however. I do believe it is a simple dodge. Are you in truth a Republican just pretending?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 04/15/2008
- benwha I'm a Fan of benwha 6 fans permalink

I am getting to, leave the page and come back and in and you should be fine.

This advice will cost you one vote for Barack :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 04/15/2008

To piss me off!

Well sorry to disappoint you but other people's stupidty doesn't piss me off - if it does anything it makes me pity you

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 04/15/2008
- benwha I'm a Fan of benwha 6 fans permalink

I have gone down this road before. I have seen HRC backers on here give examples where BO supporters didn't know anything about BO's platform. They give examples where they asked supporters questions like "what is BO healthcare plan?" and gleefully report that "they couldn't do it". This is proof to them that us BO supporters are all stupid and koolaid drinkers. So I would ask them to name some major difference in their policies and why that would lead them to vote for one candidate over the other.

I was met with crickets....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 04/15/2008
- naturesway I'm a Fan of naturesway 12 fans permalink

I back Hillary, because I have been paying attention to politics and Hillary for 20 years and i see many instances where she has worked to help women and children. Also, I believe Hillary has a good heart and she is a very intellectual progressive.
One interesting story of a time when Hillary flew to Ill to help a friend who was working for a cause called breast cancer, encouraging older women to go get mammograms and got medicare to fund mammograms for poor women.
Also, Hillary along with Janet Reno, created the Office on Violence Against Women in the DOJ.
I have many many more reasons if anyone is interested.
Just ask.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 04/15/2008
- SLone08 I'm a Fan of SLone08 5 fans permalink

So... it's because she's a woman, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 04/15/2008
- markos I'm a Fan of markos 2 fans permalink

The first post I've read from a Clinton supporter that actually listed reasons instead of insults. While I would disagree with the notion that she is an 'intellectual progressive', I respect your reasons nonetheless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 04/15/2008
- benwha I'm a Fan of benwha 6 fans permalink

Good post. I am a BO supporter but I welcome a well reasoned and thoughtful HRC supporter anyday. Insults and the like are pointless.

Zanti - please follow naturesway lead.

Cheers!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 04/15/2008

You appear to be a very emotional person so you may not understand why I support Hillary Clinton instead of Barack Obama.
I always try to base my decisions on the technical aspects of all options presented to me including the Presidential election because I am a degreed Engineer.
Basically, there are two parts to each political party. There is a radical side and a moderate side. Senator Barack Obama has exhibited tendencies that indicate he represents the Liberal Left Wing of the Democratic Party while Hillary Clinton is known as a Moderate Democrat.
Technically, I should have become a Reagan Democrat in 1980 like many of my friends did but I could not accept his “trickle-down economics” theory even though Democratic Liberals Jimmy Carter and Ted Kennedy made such a mess of things. I remained a Democrat, hoping a moderate like Bill Clinton would come along and “change” the problems the Republicans had brought to the Country.
Unlike those friends I mentioned, I don’t vote for an individual for President based on their personality and ability to campaign but on the issues that I believe in. Since most of Senator Obama’s advisors are from the Bill Clinton administration and they have adopted the same policies as Senator Clinton, I just feel that Senator Clinton will be more successful at implementing those Democratic policies that I agree with.
You haven’t earned the right to call me stupid because I don’t subscribe to them and neither does he.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 04/15/2008

Run a country? She can't even run her campaign. BO has doen a much better job. She's stiffing everybody....real Prez crediblity there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 04/15/2008

Me? I support Hillary because:

1. She’s the best qualified of all candidates running in both parties period and that goes way back-she was the first ever student commencement speaker at her undergrad college, she was twice name more America's top 100 most influencial lawyers, she ran a legal aid clinic for the poor, when she was just 30, President Carter appointed her to the board of the United States Legal Services , she led a task force to improve education in Arkansas through higher standards for schools and serving on the board of the Arkansas Children's Hospital, helping them expand and improve their services; she served on national boards for the Children's Defense Fund, the Child Care Action Campaign, and the Children's Television Workshop. Corporation, a federal nonprofit program that funds legal assistance for the poor.
2. She is a true progressive senator and many times left of Obama. See here....http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300022 compared to Obama here http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629
3. She has her OWN convictions, not feel-good platitudes. She is the only candidate to come out with specific responses: a detailed health care plan she crafted, announcement of a poverty szar, her first 100 days outlined, need I go on....
continued....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 04/15/2008

The media loves conflict and I would assume this particular conflict has given the Media higher ratings then they have seen in years. This does not mean that Democrats need to be at each other's throats throwing around Republican talking-points.

How is it that Senator McCain has maintained more "face" dignity on this than Senator Clinton by failing to call Senator Obama "an elite," although he certainly implied he might be? Because Senator Clinton is doing the dirty work for him. This has desperation written all over it and I truly wish she would remember both her husband's legacy and her own political future in the Democratic party and stop this nonsense now. I know some of you will not be able to hear a word that I am writing -- but maybe, this might stick-- what Senator Clinton is doing, will not build up her candidacy; instead she is lowering her own favorables in the hope that she can lower Senator Obama's more than her own.
If I could speak to her, I would point out that her last, best chance is to tell voters WHY she would be a superior President. This she could do positively without rancor. It might not work, but it would not leave an acrid -- dare I say "bitter"-- aftertaste in the mouths of voters whose preference lies elsewhere. Such positivity would solidify and improve her reputation. This does the opposite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 04/15/2008
- joja I'm a Fan of joja 12 fans permalink

What's this?! The great unwashed masses aren't pouring out into the streets, burning effigies of Obama??! This cannot be!!

Their Majesties' wishes MUST be obeyed!!!!!

Everyone get all excited now! Start frothing at the mouth!! Call your senators and congressmen & women!!! Call the news media!!! Get on your keyboards!!! Write letters!!! Send the Clintons money -- lots and lots of it!!!

Hurry, quick! Do it right now!!!

Hillary & Bill must not be denied what is THEIRS'!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 04/15/2008
- Zanti I'm a Fan of Zanti 25 fans permalink
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No apostrophe required after "theirs." Maybe you should learn to punctuate before ridiculing the "unwashed masses." Unless the irony was intentional. (It rarely is around these parts.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 04/15/2008

What, you never make a typographical error typing on these things? I do (often) and I was a grammar tutor years and years ago. I think I have reviewed my post, only to see it posted and find some glaring grammatical or spelling error. You must spend more time verifying than I do, or perhaps you simply type better. Who knows?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 04/15/2008
- dutchess2 I'm a Fan of dutchess2 17 fans permalink

Send a message to the superdelegates:

We've had liars in the white house for some time... not having another.

No need to hope for unification after the convention if Hillary wins down and dirty.

I'm voting for Ron Paul... the only other candidate that vows to bring our troops home immediately.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 04/15/2008
- kennedy I'm a Fan of kennedy 19 fans permalink

Us Hillary supporters have and cont' to say our mesage to Super D. and in polls all across the country.

IF OBAMA STEALS THE NOMINATION ( NOT COUNTING FL & MI) WE WILL VOTE IN MASS TO MAKE OBAMAS LOSS BIGGER THAN ANYOTHER DEM IN HISTORY.

OBAMA HAS SENT LAWYERS OUT IN FORCE TO FL AND MI TRYING TO STEAL THIS DEM ELECTION.

A VOTE FOR OBASNOB IS A VOTE FOR MC CAIN.

WAKE UP BEFORE OBAMA GOES DOWN TO THE WORST DEFEAT IN HISTORY.

LOOK AT THE POLLS. MORE THAN DOUBLE OF HILLARY SUPPORTERS WILL NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA. WITHOUT US, OBAMA WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT. COUNT THOSE NUMBERS.

IT IS OVER! IF YOU WANT A DEM IN THE WH, VOTE FOR HILLARY. IF NOT, THERE WILL BE A REPUBLICAN.

AND IT WILL BE ALL YOU CULT PEOPLES FAULT.

REAL DEMS DON'T VOTE CULT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 04/15/2008
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As a black woman in her 50s I can attest to the fact that during tough economic times working class caucasians tend to be less tolerant of minority groups. Minorities, illegal aliens, etc are unfairly blamed for lack of jobs.
Thanks Bill & Hilliary for the good times and for NAFTA . Thanks for the good times in the 90s. It was short lived for the majority of us. You have managed to earn a billion dollars since leaving the white house how did that happen?
We let the Clinton's back in and they will get rid of the rest of the jobs and probably give us poor quality health care that we still can't afford. I don't see why anyone still trusts the Clintons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 04/15/2008
- Tom95134 I'm a Fan of Tom95134 53 fans permalink
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I think it is true that people in PA have no major issue with what Obama said. Many in MI, WV, OH and PA are totally disillusioned (and some are bitter) about how they have been treated by their government. How every administration since Reagan has "conspired" to send jobs out of the country. Because many have lost faith in their government they "keep the faith" with their fellow hunters, with friends in churches, with their "own". I grew up in Michigan and know what it's like when General Motors closes plants just to ship jobs out of the state and country.

Obama might have said it a little differently but he was speaking the truth. But as Jack Nicholson said, "YOU PEOPLE DON'T WANT THE TRUTH!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 04/15/2008
- Zanti I'm a Fan of Zanti 25 fans permalink
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I can't speak for "you people," but I want a candidate who has the sense NOT to word things so stupidly. Obama is an extremely poor speaker. Period.

Obama's communication style is best described as stiff, halting, and somnambulistic, which somehow translates to inpired and eloquent to those trapped in Obama-worship mode. We worry about you guys, we really do. We just want to help. That's all we want to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 04/15/2008

Of course you do you prefer a liar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 04/15/2008
- Aywaller I'm a Fan of Aywaller 5 fans permalink
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Then you certainly don't want Clinton as a candidate. You can criticize Obama's speaking style if you want, but at least he doesn't make up stories out of whole-cloth (i.e. the Bosnia thing). And he is head and shoulders above Bush, who can't seem to put together a sentence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 04/15/2008

Senator Obama is such an exceptional good speaker that this one bad word choice is used against him. Senator McCain has used his mouth to utter some truly terrible sentence constructions. Senator Clinton has spouted some true nonsensically lines like "A time out from trade." Have you any idea what that might mean? This does not get covered because the expectations of either of these candidates speaking skills are not high. Conversely, expectations of Senator Obama's speaking skills are extremely high and demanding.

I must say your worry is misplaced, since you are one of the very few who does not recognize Senator Obama's brilliant rhetoric and oratory. Even Senator Clinton recognizes this brilliance, although she downplays the significance of this by claiming it is all "just words." Perhaps, you should listen more closely and do attempt to find a speech Senator Obama is giving when he is not so palpably exhausted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 04/15/2008
- Aleka I'm a Fan of Aleka 14 fans permalink

Please, get off your high horse. This post has no substance, it is just a well worded insult to Obama, and to his supporters.

It makes you look petty and catty, not "clever".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 04/15/2008
- benwha I'm a Fan of benwha 6 fans permalink

Another person insulting BO supporters. I give a well done to you sir for wording it quite cleverly as to seem to not be condescending! Can't win an argument on points, might as well hurl insults.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 04/15/2008
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