Thomas Frank On Obama: Not That Controversial

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Thomas Frank, the author who redefined the perception of the red state/blue state divide in America, says he doesn't find Sen. Barack Obama's comments on the bitterness of small-town Midwesterners all that alarming.

"People are bitter in small towns," Frank told the Huffington Post. "People are bitter everywhere. I don't know if you have seen the stock market -- people are bitter about their situation. It doesn't strike me as a very controversial statement."

Frank, who famously penned the book "What's The Matter With Kansas?" had been away this past weekend and missed the controversy surrounding Obama's remarks. Read the quotes over the phone, he said he was "disinclined to comment" further as he was hoping to devote his time to his upcoming book on Republican politicians in Washington D.C. rather than media requests.

However, his comments on the Obama flap reflect what was the underlying premise of his hit book: mainly, that people were voting against their economic interests because conservatives had galvanized them around political-identity issues.

"I chose to observe the phenomenon by going back to my home state of Kansas, a place that has been particularly ill-served by the conservative policies of privatization, deregulation, and de-unionization, and that has reacted to its worsening situation by becoming more conservative still," Frank wrote of the methodology behind his book in 2004. "Indeed, Kansas is today the site of a ferocious struggle within the Republican Party, a fight pitting affluent moderate Republicans against conservatives from the working-class districts and the downmarket churches. And it's hard not to feel some affection for the conservative faction, even as you deplore their political views. After all, these are the people that liberalism is supposed to speak to: the hard-luck farmers, the bitter factory workers, the outsiders, the disenfranchised, the disreputable."

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The recent political, and at times sociological, debate comes after Huffington Post's OffTheBus reported that Obama claimed workers were bitter and clinging to guns, religion and anti-immigration sentiment because of their difficult economic situations. Since then, Obama has acknowledged that his statement was ill constructed. But he has stuck by the premise, repeating it during CNN forum last night.

"What I was saying is that when economic hardship hits in these communities, what people have is they've got family, they've got their faith, they've got the traditions that have been passed onto them from generation to generation. Those aren't bad things. That's what they have left," he said. "And, unfortunately, what people have become bitter about -- and oftentimes have told me about, as I traveled through not just Pennsylvania, but I was referring to states all across the Midwest, including my home state -- is any confidence that the government is listening to them. They don't think that government is listening to them."

Obama's political opponents have not granted him such leeway. At the same forum last night, Sen. Hillary Clinton ripped into the Illinois Democrat, saying his marks were elitist, patronizing and all to reminiscent of Democratic failures from the past.

"But from my perspective the characterization of people in a way that really seemed to be elitist and out of touch is really something that we have to overcome," Clinton said. "The Democratic Party, to be very blunt about it, has been viewed as a party that didn't understand and respect the values and the way of life of many of our fellow Americans."

Thomas Frank, the author who redefined the perception of the red state/blue state divide in America, says he doesn't find Sen. Barack Obama's comments on the bitterness of small-town Midwesterners all...
Thomas Frank, the author who redefined the perception of the red state/blue state divide in America, says he doesn't find Sen. Barack Obama's comments on the bitterness of small-town Midwesterners all...
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- xargaw I'm a Fan of xargaw 31 fans permalink

Ordinary working Americans all over the country knew exactly what Obama was saying. Hillary's reaction can only signify one of two things. Either she is completely misrepresenting this for political points or she is too incredibly stupid to understand what he was saying. Either way, it exposes her as inadequate for the office she seeks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 04/14/2008
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I'm a working American. I think Obama meant exactly what he said!
I am very offended to learn about Barack's elitist opinion of me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 04/14/2008

Why don't people try something new ?????

READ !!!!!

David Coleman has a blog on the front page....le­ft side (if it's still there)....­he was AT this fundraiser­....read his words...th­en tell me SOMEONE in the media (and Hillary's camp) isn't blowing this totally out of proportion !!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 04/14/2008

I am a working American as well, and I am quite bitter at the state our government is in.

I am bitter that we sit around discussing bullshit talking points as opposed to the Iraq War.

I am bitter that the economy is tanking, but people are more concerned about the "Sanctity of Marriage."

Everything must be going well for you. Whom are you supporting, pray tell?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 04/14/2008
- Aleka I'm a Fan of Aleka 14 fans permalink

Too bad you had to "learn about" his "elitist opinion" from others, instead of checking it out yourself.

The rest of us actually looked at the comments, and the clarification, for ourselves - applied critical thinking, and concluded that Clinton is distorting his words and lying about him in order to steal an election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 04/14/2008
- drjasonmd I'm a Fan of drjasonmd 34 fans permalink
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You sound bitter.

What a Rovian turn of the tables. The multi-millionaire former first lady and corporate lawyer calls the black public servant elitist.

Learn Mandarin while there still is time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 04/14/2008
- nomobull I'm a Fan of nomobull 45 fans permalink
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and if it meets your needs count your blessings but don't tell others not as lucky how they should feel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 04/14/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 146 fans permalink

xar, I'd guess the former. When even Greenspan says were facing a Recession, then you know the voter is already in a Depression, and Hillary has those figures. If Obama has the courage, he can seize this moment and turn it into a bonafide Populist movement that only Edwards and Kucinich would were willing to address. He has shown that he understands the mood of the people, not the temperature of Wall Street, and his down to earth, realistic, and humane appraisal of where we are now, could be the beginning of great things for the entire Country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 04/14/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 146 fans permalink

part one--The most conservative people in America are farmers. Blue collar industry (if we have any left here) would come a close second. What's odd, is that farmers are also the biggest gamblers in the world; every year they throw some seeds out in the dirt and hope to grow some money. They could just as easy be standing with a handle in their hand in Vegas. They take risks most of us never face.

They are also the most taken advantage of people. They're overrun by rules the govt. sets, they don't control the price of their own product, and they can't even establish the market for it. In most ways, they are powerless--at the mercy of either the weather, the govt., or the men in suits who buy their crops. So when they vote, they vote the things they think they can control, even a little bit to get some power. That's what you call human nature.

Now, the fact that their heads are full of the right wing bs their preacher screamed at them just last Sunday, or the fear mongering of the grain elevator owner--a Republican through and through--or the "news" off Fox that panders to all those same fears, just means that when they've got That voting Lever in their hands, they've forgotten all about their own interests!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 04/14/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 146 fans permalink

Part two--

Ask them, are you making more for your crop now than 8 years ago? Are you more in debt now? Are you driving a car that's ten years older than your tractor? Is your wife holding down a 2nd job in town and taking care of the house, while you work in the fields till you can't see just to make ends meet? We know the answers here. And as julescator says--and I sure can't improve on:

"You guys have forgotten that the GOP is the party of the Elitist. They decided that in 2000 they would have to galvanize the "blue collar" workers around Cultural issues like Guns, Religion and Abortion, Affirmative Action, etc. They knew people wouldn't vote for their platform of Free Trade and Tax cuts for the rich, etc. That is why they came with that Faith Based initiatives. They tricked these people into voting on THOSE issues and ignoring the real issues!"

We've all been tricked, even the neo-con trolls here who just can't refute a single fact, but keep coming at us with the same old lies. Well, they've worked before...I can only hope that when an Obama has the guts to call it the way it is, that somebody will stop, and think, and say, "Maybe it's time I did something for me and mine!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 04/14/2008
- BlueBoomer I'm a Fan of BlueBoomer 28 fans permalink

I don't think it's the "bitter" part that's the problem, but the comments after that, regarding the lifestyle choices that those folks have made, that rankles... BUT, if coming from the mouth of Barak Obama, it is again really all much ado about nothing, then Joe Biden's true and not un-flattering comments about Barak Obama back at the beginning of this campaign should ALSO have been much ado about nothing...

Unfortunately, Senator Biden was "mortally" criticized­/villified for TWO situations which ironically were almost EXACTLY paralleled by Barak Obama... "plagerism" aka non-attribution in a speech, and now this characterization (and his "typical white person" comment) of rural america... Only difference -- AND IT'S A HUGE ONE -- is that Senator ,Obama is being allowed to get away with them, where Senator Biden was not.

So, it would appear (understandably, considering their schedules) that ALL of the candidates have occasional verbal lapses, some more serious than others... Problem is, we now have the LESS QUALIFIED Democratic candidates whose "lapses" suggest much more serious underlying attitudes.­..WHICH IS WHY McCAIN IS LOOKING SO GOOD TO SO MANY PEOPLE.

(BUT REMEMBER FOLKS: McCAIN = Republican Attorney General and SCOTUS nomination­s...
DON'T GO THERE!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 04/14/2008
- julescator I'm a Fan of julescator 19 fans permalink

This is outrageous! I listen to the stupid dumbed down MSM and Hillary Clinton and I can't help but think Obama touched a nerve. The all call the "blue collar" workers racists from the start - "blue collar is code for stupid white people to them. After all didn't Ed Rendell say those white people in those "blue collar" parts of the town won't vote for a Black guy. No one seemed to get outraged about that. I am truly sick of the way they keep playing these blue collar folks as if they are total idiots. I can't believe anyone would fall for this last attempt to "cling" to the Status Quo Government. We all know what Obama meant is they have distorted it beyond recognition. I read Thomas Frank's book a few years ago and he made the point that he didn't understand why people voted against their economic interests when the GOP riled them up on cultural issues like guns, religion, abortion and affirmative action. Those are great issues byt THEY DON'T PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE. BE SMART THIS TIME - DON'T TAKE THE BAIT OR WE GET GOVERNMENT AS USUAL WITH MC CAIN AND HILLARY. YOU HAVE TO WONDER WHY MCCAIN AND HILLARY ARE ON THE SAME SIDE AGAINST OBAMA. BOTH!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 04/14/2008

Obama supporters are spinning furiously to focus the debate on the word "bitter". But the controversy is the conclusions he drew from that bitterness. That Pennsylvanians turn to guns, religion and racism because of their bitterness. Why didn't he say that bitter San Fransicans cling to their gayness, atheism and illegal alien houseboys? Obama is an elitist who is not above the dirty politics of divisiveness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 04/14/2008

The most amusing, and somewhat weird, side effect of this whole debacle are the Obama supporters who post in mass "He's right. I am bitter" as if that were some kind of de facto defense.
It's laughable and transparent. One thanks God he didn't say those bitter folks clung to sheep schtooping.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 04/14/2008
- nomobull I'm a Fan of nomobull 45 fans permalink
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yeah he touched a nerve . he told the truth about how the government that was supposed to be by the vpeople for the people has forgotten the people and tried to explain how they might be feeling. and two of the biggest contributors to the situation are afraid he has tapped into something that might cause the people to examine voting habits and go not this time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 04/14/2008
- GeoLee I'm a Fan of GeoLee 62 fans permalink

I think projection is an awesome thing that can get candidates in trouble. He is bitter because he cannot seem to crack that group substantially enough to end this race in PA. But he labeled them the bitter ones due to what their life circumstances are without acknowleding his own bitterness. I think he could have said "And I, too, am bitter about that same type of economic circumstances and have to work hard to not fall back on the old familiar ways of dealing with them that lead me and have led them to not work in the best interest of themselves, our country and our mutual economic goals to overcome what the policies of the past have done to the hopes and dreams of several generation of people in the small towns of our heartland.­" Jsut think how much less offensive that kind of self acknowledgement along with what he said would have sounded. The fact is we are all pretty bitter of what has happened (except for the bandits who have benefited by the policies, of course)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 04/14/2008
- julescator I'm a Fan of julescator 19 fans permalink

SMALL TOWN PEOPLE - PAY ATTENTION: This is a distraction. it's a distraction to get you riled up about guns and religion and abortion. Every 4 years the come into your towns, get you are angry about things that have nothing to do with putting BREAD ON YOUR TABLE. They either play the race card, or they tell you they are religios and love guns and care about you. They pruposely get you upset about somthing so you will vote their way. Then they go back to Washington, Make millions, sign deals that take your jobs away and you are not the "Rust Belt" for a reason. They run this game on you every election because they can't win without you. Then along comes a guy who understands you, wants to help you, sees how they play you each election. So what do the others do - they attack the guy to no end and tell you HE'S the bad guy. JUST ASK YOURSELF THIS QUESTION - IF THEY CARED ABOUT YOU WHY ARE YOUR PARTS OF THE COUNTRY DOING WORSE THAN THEIR PART OF THE COUNTRY. Be smart this time, DON'T LET CLINTON AND THE MSM TURN YOU AWAY FROM THE PERSON WHO WILL CHANGE THINGS FINALLY!

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2008/04/14/cnn-s-toobin-cafferty-obama-s-bitter-comments-factually-accurate

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 04/14/2008
- tene I'm a Fan of tene permalink
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julescator i am SOOOO glad that you and barack have the guts and the wisdon to see that this is whats going on in small towns.
unfortunately the problem remains that in order to get the message to the people who need to see it most, you need the cooperation of the mainstream media who, with the exceptions of dan abrams and keith olbermann, seem to be wiser or have more integrity than the rest. now if only they would report it the way that you proclaimed it. nah, it would still take more media to join in on the integrity train.

G O B A M A '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 04/14/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 146 fans permalink

tene and jules, I am very impressed with both your observations here today. And I agree that the problem is one of the free dissemination of information. What the neo-con trolls out in numbers here today won't admit is that when the facts are manipulated or, even worse, censored by the media and the government, then the folks in those areas most impacted by that can be lied to, manipulated and used. They WILL vote against their own best interest, and justify it based on the cherry picked press they have seen. Just like we went to war on cherry picked intel. Anybody can be had, especially when those having you are masters at the game.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 04/14/2008
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Suppose I asked John McCain why he didn't get much support at HuffPo, and he answered, "Well those commenters at HuffPo are bitter. So, they cling to a hatred of guns , an antipathy toward people of other races, a distrust of foreigners and they military, and of course they are all atheists.

Afterwards I could say, "No big deal. Everybody is bitter, besides everything McCain said was true!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 04/14/2008
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Well, you have to consider that if you don't vote to take wages from other citizens and put them into your own pocket there is something wrong with your thinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 04/14/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 146 fans permalink

You do, of course, realize that this post makes absolutely no logical sense?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 04/14/2008
- tene I'm a Fan of tene permalink
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your analogy is bogus because mccain isnt getting support here because he is and acts like a repug and this is a liberal site. in pa the issue is which democrat the democrats are gonna vote for.

G O B A M A '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 04/14/2008
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When asked why he wasn't getting much support in PA., Obama responded with a list of insults aimed at the working-class.

If the news media every finds out about it, it could be a huge story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 04/14/2008
- EFC I'm a Fan of EFC permalink

Ever since Hillary and Bill slithered out of Arkansas leaving behind their small time land grift and (temporarily) Bill’s serial infidelities, they’ve been on a mission to accumulate as much power and wealth as their considerable ambitions and egos would allow. As witnessed by their recently released tax returns, they have been very successful in their quest for wealth. And, with Bill’s two terms as president and Hillary’s second term as Senator from New York, they have done very well in the political arena as well.

Given the Clinton’s penchant for rubbing elbows with and accumulating money from the rich and powerful, especially during the past eight years, it does seem a bit disingenuous of Hillary to accuse Obama of being an elitist!

Although Obama’s statement was inartful, at best, Hillary is fully aware of what he was getting at. Republicans have perfected the technique of appealing to voters baser instincts e.g. Democrats want to take your guns away, sell you out to the “Terrorists”, raise your taxes, give your tax dollars to illegal immigrants and welfare queens, etc, etc-using the “fear and loathing” ploy to persuade the middle class to vote against its own interests-­variations of which she especially should be familiar with since she has used them repeatedly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 04/14/2008
- Gabrielle I'm a Fan of Gabrielle 17 fans permalink
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VERY WELL SAID
THANK YOU

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 04/14/2008
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You're so right. Hillary is being a total hypocrite - anything to win and the MSM are going along with it. They know she's the corporatist candidate. See Arianna's blog on Hillary's Colombian connection to see how elite and anti-middle class she REALLY is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 04/14/2008

Those baser instincts belong to the Democrats who indeed want "to take your guns away, sell you out to the "Terrorists", raise your taxes, give your tax dollars to illegal immigrants and welfare queens"
Show me a Democrat who supports gun rights, lower taxes and opposes wealth redistribution. It sure isn''t Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 04/14/2008
- EFC I'm a Fan of EFC permalink

How about these two Democrats, from a Huston Chronicle sponsored Q&A (Feb.-’08)­:

Clinton: I support reducing the tax burden on middle and working class families…”
Obama: “…We’ll cut taxes for the middle class by up to $1000 per working family.”

Note: These are not Republican style tax cuts that benefit most those who need it least
and that rely on “voodoo” or “trickledown” to provide any relief for average
wage earners.

If by “redistribution of wealth” you mean asking those who accumulated the most wealth during the creation of the current staggering national debt to contribute a higher percentage of their incomes in order to prevent impending national bankruptcy, then yes, hopefully Democrats as well as Republicans will put a higher priority on economic solvency than the continuance of the unsustainable insatiable avarice that so many current and recently “retired” Republican officials and their corporate benefactors have exhibited.

If you consider not supporting gun rights banning the sale of assault rifles, more rigorous screening of potential hand gun purchasers and home gun security measures that would prevent unauthorized access to family firearms then hopefully most rational individuals, including Obama, would avoid such “support”.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 04/15/2008

I agree with the author. I believe there's a general sense of betrayal nationwide. Whenever a political figure speaks the truth, its controversial. Especially to the vandals at Fox News.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 04/14/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 146 fans permalink

They don't want us to Think! Thinking leads to harder stuff.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 04/14/2008
- julescator I'm a Fan of julescator 19 fans permalink

Clinton is using karl Rove's playbook!

http://www.evilgopbastards.com/Rove_Playbook.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 04/14/2008
- syllepsis I'm a Fan of syllepsis 24 fans permalink

Hillary Clinton is living in dreamland, if she thinks people don't know how our Government has failed us all. In fact, she does know. But she can't admit it, because she and her husband are a large part of that failure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 04/14/2008

'syllepsis'

You are the one 'living in dreamland' if you think that Obama can beat McCain after the last week or so...you had better consider voting your own self-inter­est...that is whomever can put the Dems back in the POTUS...tr­y to think of the Dem nominee without a name or a face attached, just look at the policies and the performanc­e...we will all have to do that one way or the other after the Primaries.­..regardle­ss of which way they turn...why not now, before it's too late?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 04/14/2008
- nomobull I'm a Fan of nomobull 45 fans permalink
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stop with the mccain spin the media is trying to sale us please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 04/14/2008
- Kache I'm a Fan of Kache 30 fans permalink
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Oh pulezze! My dog could beat John IRAN IS ARMING THE VIET CONG McCaine. This isn't about beating McCain, he'll be a whimpering, broken old fool by October with most Republicans not voting out of shame. Even Annie Oakley could beat McCain (if she could get the nomination).

This is about the Democrat we're going to run. No party has nominated a candidate with higher negative ratings. Even though she, and my dog, can beat McCain she would have no coattails and we'd still have a broken Senate. Even though she, and my dog, can beat McCain, she could never govern.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 04/15/2008
- julescator I'm a Fan of julescator 19 fans permalink

As I said all weekendm Obama was right. Frank said the same thing. All you have to do is look at what has outraged people - GUNS AND RELIGION. No one is talking about the economy or the war. This is the GOP trick and Karl Rove started this to get Bush to win. You guys have forgotten that the GOP is the party of the Elitist. They decided that in 2000 they would have to galvenize the "blue collar" workers around Cultural issues like Guns, Religion and Abortion, Affirmative Action, etc. They knew people wouldn't vote for their platform of Free Trade and Tax cuts for the rich, etc. That is why they came with that Faith Based initiatives. They tricked these people into voting on THOSE issues and ignoring the real issues! Now these same Americans are losing their jobs to Free Trade, but they voted for these boobs base on Guns and Religion. They were dupped. No Hillary is doing the same think - getting you away from the issues. PLEASE DON'T FALL FOR THIS AGAIN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 04/14/2008
- GeoLee I'm a Fan of GeoLee 62 fans permalink

He was not totally right in what he said. In fact, in 2000 with an economy still pretty good shape, the Republicans used the guns, gays and God very effectively to get almost enough votes, and clearly enough in the midwest states, to have only one state left to steal the election..­.so to say it has something to do with the failing economy. They spent from 1992 on developing the social issue strategy. It plays pretty well in the south, midwest, mountain states and practically everywhere but far west and northeast and probably has more to do with tradition the citizens live than necessarily the economy and bitterness. And, although I do believe Obama has some differences that would be more clear than HIllary in a GOP to DEM General Election and have McCain stuck with the BUSH legacy in a fight, he will make headway with this and several statements that when put together with what Michelle has said and his minister has said, it is going to be trouble and may lose some of the very caucus states that gave him a lead in the delegate votes. He played into the cynicism about Democrats.­..and I am a democrat making these observations. One who will vote democratic mainly because of the Supreme Court issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 04/14/2008

Well, as we all know "bitter" is not the issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 04/14/2008
- indc I'm a Fan of indc 17 fans permalink

I've more than had enough of Bush-Clinton styles of governance and the pollution of public life with lies, inside deals, and fundamentally theft from the American people with the wealth which American work for individually and collectively as a country going to the top 1% or less, while the middle and lower income families find life more difficult and the prospects for their children dimmed due to greed and priviledge­.... did the Clintons make 100M plus because they were honest people with skills.. not a chance, they sold out our citizens economic and security interest for this money, and still refuse to tell the truth... where are their 2007 tax returns, where did the 500Million come from for the foundation, who got the earmarks, where are their WH papers? This withholding of information we citizens are entitled to by someone seeking high office and it being refuse to us, is simply a pre-emptive lie by the Clintons.

when is their daughter going to fight for the war her parents and she supported? where are Barbara Bush's grandkids.­..I think 9 are of the age to serve and fight...

I am angry and there is a bitter taste for what Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush have done to this country... they want another big pay day if they get to the WH... it will be at our expense from our pockets and perhaps at the cost of the lives of our childrens who do not come from rich families.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 04/14/2008
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