Thomas Frank On Obama: Not That Controversial

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First Posted: 04-14-08 10:08 AM   |   Updated: 04-22-08 05:12 AM

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Thomas Frank, the author who redefined the perception of the red state/blue state divide in America, says he doesn't find Sen. Barack Obama's comments on the bitterness of small-town Midwesterners all that alarming.

"People are bitter in small towns," Frank told the Huffington Post. "People are bitter everywhere. I don't know if you have seen the stock market -- people are bitter about their situation. It doesn't strike me as a very controversial statement."

Frank, who famously penned the book "What's The Matter With Kansas?" had been away this past weekend and missed the controversy surrounding Obama's remarks. Read the quotes over the phone, he said he was "disinclined to comment" further as he was hoping to devote his time to his upcoming book on Republican politicians in Washington D.C. rather than media requests.

However, his comments on the Obama flap reflect what was the underlying premise of his hit book: mainly, that people were voting against their economic interests because conservatives had galvanized them around political-identity issues.

"I chose to observe the phenomenon by going back to my home state of Kansas, a place that has been particularly ill-served by the conservative policies of privatization, deregulation, and de-unionization, and that has reacted to its worsening situation by becoming more conservative still," Frank wrote of the methodology behind his book in 2004. "Indeed, Kansas is today the site of a ferocious struggle within the Republican Party, a fight pitting affluent moderate Republicans against conservatives from the working-class districts and the downmarket churches. And it's hard not to feel some affection for the conservative faction, even as you deplore their political views. After all, these are the people that liberalism is supposed to speak to: the hard-luck farmers, the bitter factory workers, the outsiders, the disenfranchised, the disreputable."

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The recent political, and at times sociological, debate comes after Huffington Post's OffTheBus reported that Obama claimed workers were bitter and clinging to guns, religion and anti-immigration sentiment because of their difficult economic situations. Since then, Obama has acknowledged that his statement was ill constructed. But he has stuck by the premise, repeating it during CNN forum last night.

"What I was saying is that when economic hardship hits in these communities, what people have is they've got family, they've got their faith, they've got the traditions that have been passed onto them from generation to generation. Those aren't bad things. That's what they have left," he said. "And, unfortunately, what people have become bitter about -- and oftentimes have told me about, as I traveled through not just Pennsylvania, but I was referring to states all across the Midwest, including my home state -- is any confidence that the government is listening to them. They don't think that government is listening to them."

Obama's political opponents have not granted him such leeway. At the same forum last night, Sen. Hillary Clinton ripped into the Illinois Democrat, saying his marks were elitist, patronizing and all to reminiscent of Democratic failures from the past.

"But from my perspective the characterization of people in a way that really seemed to be elitist and out of touch is really something that we have to overcome," Clinton said. "The Democratic Party, to be very blunt about it, has been viewed as a party that didn't understand and respect the values and the way of life of many of our fellow Americans."

Thomas Frank, the author who redefined the perception of the red state/blue state divide in America, says he doesn't find Sen. Barack Obama's comments on the bitterness of small-town Midwesterners all...
Thomas Frank, the author who redefined the perception of the red state/blue state divide in America, says he doesn't find Sen. Barack Obama's comments on the bitterness of small-town Midwesterners all...
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- The5thW I'm a Fan of The5thW 6 fans permalink

Has a true intellectual in the (near extinct in the US) good sense ever run for president? Just once in my lifetime doesn't seem too much to ask America for a generation of 24/7 corporatespeak sewage forced down our throats. You listen to JFK--he was really a PR creation reading the speeches of others that are vapid by comparison to Obama, though they had to off him anyway. They are making fun of Obama now, but the dread of having to match wits with him one on one is palpable on the right, because they've used nothing but emotional manipulation on us for years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 04/14/2008

Remember Hillary's comment on Obama's brilliant use of language as "just words. Words don't mean anything"? Suddenly, to Hillary words have come to mean everything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 04/14/2008
- Busterdawg I'm a Fan of Busterdawg 6 fans permalink

Adlai Stevenson.

Attended Choate preparatory, was Princeton University grad, attended Harvard Law and finished his law degree at Northwestern University School of Law.

Single term Governor of Illinois. Ran, unsuccessfully, for president, twice, Eisenhower in 1952 and 1956.

During one of his presidential runs, a supporter told him that he was sure to "get the vote of every thinking man" in the U.S., to which Stevenson is said to have replied, "Thank you, but I need a majority to win."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 04/14/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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Afraid not. First few alive today recall Stevenson. Second Stevenson didn't not have a ground swell behind him , nor could he draw 20,000 to his speeches. Obama connects.

But good luck with that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 04/14/2008
- Busterdawg I'm a Fan of Busterdawg 6 fans permalink

Well the blog postings here are nothing if not consistent. Blog posting after blog posting giving evidence that, yes, there are bitter people out there in America. So that means Obama was right and did nothing wrong. Except for the fact that Obama is in trouble because of the "cling to" part of his private fund raising talk.

Saying middle class and small town folk in Ohio and Pennsylvania are bitter because of economic hardship is a fair observation but to then go on to say that they "cling to God and guns" and "become anti immigrant" because of it is condescending and slam against their values. It's someone looking down their nose at Middle America culture. What's wrong with going to Church and hunting? Obama makes it sound like a negative.

But the pro-Obama blogging spin continues unabated, never even attempting to address the real issue with his remarks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 04/14/2008

I understand what you are trying to say about the "cling to" part of Obama's statement. Respectfully, though I understand it differently and while difficult I will try to explain how I see it. Political discourse is increasingly framed in terms of fear. Lee Atwater and Karl Rove were masters at it. In order to distract people from voting in their own self interest they invoke fear. They say, the problem is someone (usually liberals) who want to take away your guns, or someone (again read liberals) who want to take away your right to believe as you wish, or be afraid of immigrants who want to take your jobs and live off of your hard earned tax dollars. The people like Rove then have a solution and that is to vote for them and they won't let any of those bad things happen. That fear they continually drum into people causes people to vote in ways that is against their own self interest.

Obama is asking us to change that and make government work for us.. He asks us first to understand what is happening and then take back our government by saying no to special interests and politics as usual.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 04/14/2008
- 2351 I'm a Fan of 2351 3 fans permalink

Heiwa-Very well put!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 04/14/2008

1. Some Pennsylvanians do cling to God and guns. It causes them to vote against their own self-interest.

2. If you Hillaryites would move on--Obama cleared this up days ago--perhaps you could hear him trying to elevate the level of debate.

3. Hillary succeeded in doing to Democrats what bush succeeded in doing to America: divide it. Dems' deciding not to vote for her could cost Democrats the win in November should she become the nominee.

4. Admit you cannot win the nod in the primary and just go away, Hillary, ya shrill, querulous whiner.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 04/14/2008
- Busterdawg I'm a Fan of Busterdawg 6 fans permalink

Ahhh.. but she can win!

When all is said and done after the last primary is held Hillary will not have enough pledged delegates to win... and neither will Obama.

Nowhere is it written that who ever is ahead in pledged delegates wins. Neither will have reach viability (a term that is a caucus favorite...). This is a selection process, not a general election. That's how the system was created.

Wonderful spin by Obama-ites I must say, to act as if pledged delegates added up to some sort of de-facto election win when nothing could be further from the truth.

It's the Super Delegates that will be left to decide and, yes, Obama might win the majority of them... unless they look at his electiablity in the General. No big states, no Hispanic support (McCain gets that vote unless Hillary is in the race), has alienated small town folk and the distinct possibility that Hilliary could lead in popular vote by then.

Now won't that be a fun free for all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 04/14/2008
- liz I'm a Fan of liz 3 fans permalink

The real problem is not with his remarks all that much. Anyone who has actually looked at the context, including other remarks he made since 2004, and who has compared them to the remarks of others (many of whom are shoving each other out of the way to cast the first stone) knows what he means. I am both a hillbilly redneck by origin and an ivy league faculty member by accomplishment, and I understand. To me the Goldwater girl whose father could afford to send her to Wellesley, who suddenly shoots and drinks boilermakers is the one who is condescending. The highest compliment you can give is to be yourself and to allow others to be themselves. Any inauthenticity or phony "us-ness" is the height of condescention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 04/14/2008

Aren't there more pressing issues facing this country beside the BS going on between the Democratic candidates and their surrogates? This sort of crap happens every four years and is a total waste of time. If you want a continuation of Bush's policies then vote Republican. If you don't then vote Democratic. Or at least, that's what we're led to believe. Either way, we'll probably all be disappointed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 04/14/2008
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I voted for Bush and I'm happy... yes I dont see the doom and gloom

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 04/14/2008
- TN I'm a Fan of TN 28 fans permalink

Your in the minority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 04/14/2008
- TN I'm a Fan of TN 28 fans permalink

People want to cling to cling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 04/14/2008
- abot I'm a Fan of abot 4 fans permalink

The problem isn't that BO used the word bitter. Its using the word CLING TO. People CLING TO their guns, their religion etc. Thats the problem. Thats what pisses people off. Noticed that everyone has been responding to blogs with "Hell yes I'm bitter." Well duh. Washington has been ignoring folks. Making promises and not following through. But this is not the point. CLING TO is the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 04/14/2008
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No silly, I'm bitter because I want Government to LEAVE ME ALONE! I can fix my own problems

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 04/14/2008

Then why did you vote for boosh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 04/14/2008

I'll bet you're unaware that bush's having shifted from states' rights to presidential and EPA control of environmental will come back to haunt republicans and their corporate handlers after the November election.

Once bush leaves office and the next President sits behind the Oval Office desk, because Scalia and others voted against California in their Supreme Court ruling over states having the right to expand environmental law beyond the ruling of the President and the EPA, regardless of who sits behind that desk, he or she will execute the Supreme Court's demand that the EPA deliver the scientific finding bush refused to allow being presented. Documents thus far produced under the aegis of the EPA already verify the head of the EPA under bush unjustifyably decided against the findings of EPA researchers. The EPA under the leadership of the next President will then grant Ahnold his way. Eleven states already on board to pass legislation similar to California's will follow suit in passing legislation to protect the environment.

What has backfired is conservatives changing the view toward states' rights. They shifted from states' righter to federal control. Your socalled republican party has shot itself in the foot in its pursuit of destroying the environment for the sake of profit..

So much for you republicans wanting to be left alone.

Wtg, george w. boosh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 04/14/2008
- TN I'm a Fan of TN 28 fans permalink

He should have said that their vote clings to gun issues, religious issues and not to their own economic issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 04/14/2008
- Aleka I'm a Fan of Aleka 14 fans permalink

Well that is what he DID say - the problem is, he explained it in more than one sentence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 04/14/2008
- Aleka I'm a Fan of Aleka 14 fans permalink

Except that no one, including yourself, seems to know what he actually said. He was talking about -voting habit-, not -lifestyle choices-.

If you - and the stupid media - bothered to listen to the whole thing in context, he was discussing how voters cling to those issues to vote on, because they can't vote on economic ones.

Clinton and her pu**y-whipped pundits have simply excluded the context, and distorted it to suit themselves. They make it seems as though he said they were bitter and turned TO guns and religion - instead of bitter and voting ABOUT guns and religion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 04/14/2008
- 2351 I'm a Fan of 2351 3 fans permalink

But you know, the media and all of the hillary surrogates don't really want to listen to the entire speech or want to know what the environment was. This way they can keep coming out with this stupid sh--. This is all a bunch of crap and hillary is very very desperate. Just watching her take a shot and drink a beer was a turn off. People are not stupid. They want to hear about the things that concern them, not this trash.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 04/14/2008

If "CLING" is the problem for you, then take the word "cling" out and replace it with any word you like. The substance and truth of his comments are not changed by the removal or substitution or in fact the placement of one word.

Actually, the problem is that you have chosen not to see beyond that one relatively insignificant choice of word and have therefore chosen to blind yourself to the reality that Senator Obama is alluding to, thereby blinding yourself to the REAL problem that these people are contending with, which is precisely the distraction that Senator Clinton and Senator McCain hope to achieve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 04/14/2008
- TN I'm a Fan of TN 28 fans permalink

I bet he could just kick himself. One hope in all of this is that, only the repugs were offended. A lot of Dems have been treated badly by republican church members, over the past seven years. They certainly know what he was talking about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 04/14/2008
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Another new low brought to you by the Clinton campaign...

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/14/133040/971/827/495479

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 04/14/2008
- TN I'm a Fan of TN 28 fans permalink

Just got out of the car, the consevative radio program, that plays all day, was cutting down barrack. They were saying you've got your family, your church, your guns, what more do you need? Unfortunately, they pray on the weak of mind that think, yeah, what more do I need? How about a job idiot. These people they pray on do not have the ability to question. If O'reilly fed them some shit on a spoon and told them it was ice cream, they would say it tasted good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 04/14/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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But the Neoliberal spin machine is doing a good job of not only dividing us by race, but also by (the illusion of) sub-classes.

Imagine if the entire WORKING CLASS organized -

- Billion Man Marches
- Protest at will, peacefully and still get the point across.
- Effectively stop all commerce until demands for referendums, etc are heard.
- Right *our own" legislation granting Taft/hartley reversal, special rights and lower taxes for small businesses to fairly compete against monopolies.

A new organization of farmers, repairmen, teachers, cops, firefighters, restaurant workers, warehouse workers. Social segments - yuppies, hunters, extreme-sports nuts, trekkies,.... - all are welcome.

imagine a collective so well organized that Karl Rove could "fix" votes in multiple states and the Plutocracy would still lose, where the MSM would have no choice but to reflect the viewpoints of people over billionaire oligarchs or multinational empires?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 04/14/2008
- Aleka I'm a Fan of Aleka 14 fans permalink

Why would democrats listen to conservative radio?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 04/14/2008
- Gizmo1125 I'm a Fan of Gizmo1125 3 fans permalink

I care about what came after bitter.. They have antipathy for people who are not like them and cling to guns. What I would like to know is that how he really feels. Does Obama think we are a bunch of "Bitter Bigots" ????????????????? I would really like to know !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 04/14/2008
- tene I'm a Fan of tene permalink
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no gizmo. there are no bigots in this country. we're all one big happy family and we all get along and everyone loves everyone. nah, no racism in america. how could anyone ever think something like that?
come on. you know that in reality there ARE bigots. maybe not YOU. but you have to admit that there are some. and barack was bold and honest enough to admit it. truth is truth. and we will never get past some of our uglier truths until we first acknowledge that they exist.

G O B A M A '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 04/14/2008

I agree to a point. Unfortunately everybody is focusing on the word bitter which is a poor choice of words to describe our current frustration. His choice of the phrase "clinging to" to describe reliance on faith, family and tradition and then lumping it in with a number of euphimisms for racism is the real issue.

While it may not have been his intent, there are many instances of his poor choice of words coming across as elitist . When you add that into his dishonesty regarding his campaign being funded through grass roots contributions - no special interest contributions (we know that is not true - and he's friends with the worst of the worst, the hedge funds - the latest group to feed the greed fest), it appears that he talks the talk, but perhaps does not walk the walk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 04/14/2008

I am from this area on Pennsylvania and I would say that yes, people from this area are mad about immigrants and jobs. and most here in central PA think Democrats are going to tax the crap of them, take their guns, or their religion, or both. This is what the right wing has convinced most rural Pensylvanians of..

Obama did not accuse anyone of being a "bitter bigot". But people around here certainly are bitter.

I was refreshed to hear Obama make such a candid and true statement. Makes me want to vote for him even more.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 04/14/2008

I am sure he did not intend this, but I think there is a positive outcome for Obama's comments. His comments have forced us to discuss the frustration and anger that does exist across this country. It also provides us with an opportunity to take up what I believe is the other side of the Obama challenge and that is we need to do something about it. Obama asks us to stand up and say no more to politics as usual. He asks us to stand up against the special interests that have come to control decisionmaking. In short he is asking "we the people..." to take back our government and make it work for us.

It is quite a challenge, but it can be done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 04/14/2008

Senator Obama's very candidacy has challenged us to examine ourselves, the consciousness of our nation, and the role of our government in ways that we have never been challenged before. He is truly phenomenal, and not at all the "politics as usual" that Clinton and McCain represent. Whether one supports him or not, we would be remiss not to recognize the depth of his character and the difference he has already brought to the political landscape and our national discourse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 04/14/2008
- tene I'm a Fan of tene permalink
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see this is what i love about barack. he takes a situation that is spiraling out of hand and causes us to have these discussions that we need to have. before it was race, which we definitely need to not keep swept under the rug. and now economic disenfranchisement among the middle and working classes. he is changing our nation for the better ALREADY! gotta love this candidate for president!

G O B A M A '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 04/14/2008

I thought this book has used as a reference the great though small (148 pages) book titled "Listen, Little Man!" It was written in 1946! "Little" in this context refers to "Common" so in reality the book title is "Listen, Common Man!" It is not elitist to state the obvious: Before you put your life into the hands of a politician you better make sure that he/she is better, knows much more, it is a "Greater Common Person" that would get you out of the mess one is in (and not of our making.) If Hillary and McCain want to be in the WH because "they heard our voices" I can respond that I don't believe them a bit because they are the ones who want us to "move to the center," which is an euphemism for moving us to being dumber. I want somebody in the WH smarter or as smart as I am, and 110% ethical with me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 04/14/2008
- zitlight73 I'm a Fan of zitlight73 43 fans permalink

How about a government that doesn't torture or spy on its people. How about a nation of laws and rights and not of power crazed men.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 04/14/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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Now your talking radical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 04/14/2008

I want to go back to the original "bitter" statement for a minute, because I am concerned that what I read into it is what he actually meant... and if that is what he actually meant (and I pray it is not), I am really concerned.

"Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by--it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.

Is Obama insinuating that the people of the small towns in industrial states they are racists? What does this mean, “46-year-old black man named Barack Obama” adding another layer of skepticism? The comment was made in response to a question as to why he is not doing well in Pennsylvania… is he saying that his age and color of his skin is a difficult sell to the narrow minds (“…they cling to…or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.")?

Could someone please correct me and ease my fears that my inference is actually his implication?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 04/14/2008
- Aleka I'm a Fan of Aleka 14 fans permalink

He is talking about their voting habits.

They can't vote based on economic issues that would actually help them. Therefore they vote on the issues that they feel they can have a say in: guns, religion, illegal immegration, etc etc. So these people tend to vote against gun control, against gay marriage, pro-illigal immigration crackdowns, etc. He's saying their frustration gets channelled into those issues.

He is not talking about their personal habits. He is talking about how they vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 04/14/2008
- John51 I'm a Fan of John51 10 fans permalink

I think Governor Rendell ( I apologize if I mis-spelled his name) already said that aloud. He stated that many people in the small towns of PA will not vote for a Black Man (paraphrased). So if Sen. Obama did mean that his race may be an impediment to his election in some small PA towns, one could surmise, he was thinking that the state's governor, having run for office, knew his state's voting tendencies. Don't you think that it is plausible some people will not vote for a Black Man?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 04/14/2008

Absolutely! They want the two white people running against each other even though there is no choice of policy between the two.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 04/14/2008
- liz I'm a Fan of liz 3 fans permalink

Pleasse do not pretend to be naive. The governor of Pennsylvania and other Clinton supporters have been quite candid on tlelvision that there are many people in PA and the rest of the country who are "not ready" to vote for a Black man. This election has given the country an opportunity to discuss both racial and gender bias, and those who rabidly insist on denying the problems, getting defensive, or exaggerating every speck into a beam are NOT part of the solution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 04/14/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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Social Security Cut 09'

Mc Cain / Mc Clinton 08'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 04/14/2008
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

Did you read that?

McCain is actually announcing he would prefer to run against Clinton?

Watch dumb-ass Democrats blow this.

Let's hand John McCain his preferred opponent!

You go, girl!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 04/14/2008
- jwsub28 I'm a Fan of jwsub28 4 fans permalink

That is actually OLD news. Republicans in TX cross voted for Hillary because they HATE her but they were doing it because they know she would be easy to beat. Known fact for a long time.

She will never get up, she will run until she has burnt every last one of out!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 04/14/2008
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Social Security should be scraped. All it has become is a ploy to keep Democrats elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 04/14/2008

Idiotic post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 04/14/2008
- Zeje I'm a Fan of Zeje 9 fans permalink

You won't think that way when you turn 60.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 04/14/2008

I'll tell you what's insulting to the people in PA - all you people assuming they are not smart enough to know the the difference between someone who is explaining their plight of hardships versus attempting to insult them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 04/14/2008

do you also think it isolates the volunteers & voters there in SF? what the hell did they do wrong except ask why he seems to have trouble reaching these voters? CA is the largest state population-wise in the Union, that Hil took pride in winning. now the people who live there are elitists & are somehow elevated & automatically look down on the rest of the country b/c they have had better fortunes than some other folks? there are a lot of good people there, who are activists & put in a lot of work & effort to make things better for people that they don't have to do. why are the people at the fund raiser being used as a scapegoat to get Hil votes in PA? WTF is that? aren't they all Dems? no one has defended the people there this entire time.
lotta bs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 04/14/2008
- Daly I'm a Fan of Daly 19 fans permalink

Spot On!
How Hill and Mc are so easily able to slant what was clearly an explaination just as Billy did with his "I feel your pain" and even Evan Bayh has said something much the same however these comments are only challenged with Hillary's bull$.
Folks are bitter and having your jobs leave, cannot afford to buy foods you want, sticking to staples, not filling up the tank because it cost too much, seeing that more $ is given to Iraq gov than while excuses are made in the inability to build katrina. If all this does not make one bitter then vote for Mc; he has waxed so happily about war that he feels that a draft is a good idea and sees no reason to help with loss of homes until polls indicate it as a good idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 04/14/2008
- MaryanneAZ I'm a Fan of MaryanneAZ 129 fans permalink
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Obama's comments in San Francisco were not new or different from his position on why people vote issues (guns, abortion, immigration, free trade) instead of the economy. People do realize that candidates make promises, but in 30 years have not fulfilled them. You can watch an interview of Obama on The Charlie Rose Show in 2004 on YouTube (Obama (2004) connects guns, religion, economics, and bitter). Voters should also watch Bill Clinton espouse the same sentiment in 2007 in a like interview. Democrats have long recognized that small town, typically Republican, voters vote based on issues that are not embraced by the Democratic platform (pro-life, pro-gun, anti-immigration, anti-trade). The Democratic party platform understands that this is a secular society founded on the principle of keeping any single religion from governing the Country. Many conservative religious voters thought that Bush was going to be the president who would overturn Roe v. Wade and bring back prayer to schools. No president can prostelytize a country to embrace their religion or any religion as a country. My Country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, land where our fathers died, land of the pilgrims pride... We have to vote on the important NATIONAL issues and live our lives promoting our faith principles. Otherwise we will have a theocracy and not a democracy. Obama '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 04/14/2008

Gallop - April 14th (today)
http://www.gallup.com/poll/106504/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Numbers-Holding-Strong.aspx
PRINCETON, NJ -- Barack Obama, who has come under attack by his presidential rivals for describing small-town voters as "bitter," seems to be weathering the storm to this point as far as voters are concerned. He maintains a 10 percentage point lead over Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination, 50% to 40%, according to the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 04/14/2008
- blackrome I'm a Fan of blackrome 11 fans permalink

So it's a controversy if you tell the truth in America.

I guess if he just lied like Bush and Annie Oakley there would be nothing to see here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 04/14/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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According to John McCain and Hillary Clinton, it is all psychological. And they dare say Obama is condescending?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 04/14/2008
- TN I'm a Fan of TN 28 fans permalink

If any news program happens to tell the truth about the republicans, which is rare, then it is liberal. Liberal=the truth, and to the weak of mind, that's bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 04/14/2008
- Gizmo1125 I'm a Fan of Gizmo1125 3 fans permalink

WHO THE HELL IS ANNIE OAKLEY ???????????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 04/14/2008
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