Thomas Frank On Obama: Not That Controversial

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Thomas Frank, the author who redefined the perception of the red state/blue state divide in America, says he doesn't find Sen. Barack Obama's comments on the bitterness of small-town Midwesterners all that alarming.

"People are bitter in small towns," Frank told the Huffington Post. "People are bitter everywhere. I don't know if you have seen the stock market -- people are bitter about their situation. It doesn't strike me as a very controversial statement."

Frank, who famously penned the book "What's The Matter With Kansas?" had been away this past weekend and missed the controversy surrounding Obama's remarks. Read the quotes over the phone, he said he was "disinclined to comment" further as he was hoping to devote his time to his upcoming book on Republican politicians in Washington D.C. rather than media requests.

However, his comments on the Obama flap reflect what was the underlying premise of his hit book: mainly, that people were voting against their economic interests because conservatives had galvanized them around political-identity issues.

"I chose to observe the phenomenon by going back to my home state of Kansas, a place that has been particularly ill-served by the conservative policies of privatization, deregulation, and de-unionization, and that has reacted to its worsening situation by becoming more conservative still," Frank wrote of the methodology behind his book in 2004. "Indeed, Kansas is today the site of a ferocious struggle within the Republican Party, a fight pitting affluent moderate Republicans against conservatives from the working-class districts and the downmarket churches. And it's hard not to feel some affection for the conservative faction, even as you deplore their political views. After all, these are the people that liberalism is supposed to speak to: the hard-luck farmers, the bitter factory workers, the outsiders, the disenfranchised, the disreputable."

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The recent political, and at times sociological, debate comes after Huffington Post's OffTheBus reported that Obama claimed workers were bitter and clinging to guns, religion and anti-immigration sentiment because of their difficult economic situations. Since then, Obama has acknowledged that his statement was ill constructed. But he has stuck by the premise, repeating it during CNN forum last night.

"What I was saying is that when economic hardship hits in these communities, what people have is they've got family, they've got their faith, they've got the traditions that have been passed onto them from generation to generation. Those aren't bad things. That's what they have left," he said. "And, unfortunately, what people have become bitter about -- and oftentimes have told me about, as I traveled through not just Pennsylvania, but I was referring to states all across the Midwest, including my home state -- is any confidence that the government is listening to them. They don't think that government is listening to them."

Obama's political opponents have not granted him such leeway. At the same forum last night, Sen. Hillary Clinton ripped into the Illinois Democrat, saying his marks were elitist, patronizing and all to reminiscent of Democratic failures from the past.

"But from my perspective the characterization of people in a way that really seemed to be elitist and out of touch is really something that we have to overcome," Clinton said. "The Democratic Party, to be very blunt about it, has been viewed as a party that didn't understand and respect the values and the way of life of many of our fellow Americans."

Thomas Frank, the author who redefined the perception of the red state/blue state divide in America, says he doesn't find Sen. Barack Obama's comments on the bitterness of small-town Midwesterners all...
Thomas Frank, the author who redefined the perception of the red state/blue state divide in America, says he doesn't find Sen. Barack Obama's comments on the bitterness of small-town Midwesterners all...
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- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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There seems to be a real disconnect on this issue with everyday people and conventional wisdom on this bitter thing (conventional wisdom being the media, Clinton campaign and McCain Campaign). I wouldn't be suprised if we don't start seeing a backlash pretty soon. You can't keep telling people who are struggling that this is all psychological, that they aren't really bitter- as if it is somehow unpatriotic to be furious about our policies for the last 7 years, or 15 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 04/14/2008

I don't think Mr. Obama has anything to regret or apologize for. What he did, as in his earlier Philadelphia speech on racism, is speak the truth, in a way that anyone, including the working class people in his audience, can understand is a unifying and understanding approach to our complex society. Mrs. Clinton, behind the eight ball as usual, has an interest in portraying his comments as divisive and elitist, rather than healing, understanding, and indicative of wise policies to emanate from the White House when Mr. Obama becomes President. I recently received an e-mail from John Fetterman, the Mayor of Braddock, PA, one of the many communities about which Mr. Obama is speaking, and he obviously gets what Mr. Obama is saying. Of course, he has no vested interest in portraying Mr. Obama as divisive, etc., etc., and he sees Mrs. Clinton's words, correctly, as attempts to score political points. More and more, Mr. Obama emerges as the candidate who is really capable of bringing our complicated society together and perhaps reducing the strength of the selfishnesss which informs so much of our present governmental policies, including the Iraq war and our tax politcies. And, more and more, Mrs. Clinton emerges as a stale old retread of politics as usual.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 04/14/2008

It sems to me that THE TRUTH can be spun; but IDEOSINCRCIES are too hot to touch; fuck the lawyers for creating this gray area.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 04/14/2008
- Tropiholic I'm a Fan of Tropiholic 20 fans permalink

Please use a dictionary. You have embarrassed yourself and everyone who reads this post bitabing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 04/14/2008

Perhaps Obama is bitter because of Clintons remarks, like I said before If you can't walk the walk,you shouldn't talk the talk....and he definately miss-spoke and that certainly is not something the Obama camp can blame Hillary for, notice Obama can't win on issues so makes fun of...with Annie Oakley comments

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 04/14/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1670 fans permalink
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You have the whole thing up-side-down. It's not Obama who is bitter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 04/14/2008

I believe Hillary can talk the talk allright
she stumbles around quite a bit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 04/14/2008

Stumbling around? Must be from the beer she drank the other day after going hunting. I knew somehow she'd mess up her ploy to distort what Obama said about the pain Pennsylvanians feel. She never should have gone drinking after hunting after she spewed her twisted take on Obama's elitism. And I thought she could handle herself. Oh, well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 04/14/2008

Yesterday, Senator Obama was criticized for using the word, "bitter," to describe a community that is suffering economically and whose suffering has been ignored by our government.

Today ... it's Senator Obama who's bitter!!!

How quickly we can twist words to create our own narrative!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 04/14/2008
- cindyw I'm a Fan of cindyw 48 fans permalink
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Just as Hillary has made fun of Obama's speeches, because fairly or unfairly, he's a much more engaging speaker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 04/14/2008
- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

I must be thick, I just don't see it...as anything but a non issue. He just didn't use 'bitter' in any elitist kind of way, the same for all else that he said.
Hillary is just jumping on anything. Wait until the weekend, she will go into an even higher gear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 04/14/2008

Obama is unelectable. Just go away and take your bitter wife and racist pastor with you. Please just go away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 04/14/2008

Yes, the time has come for some real discussion of Obama quitting the race. "Cling", Wright, and his wife's comments about America are all the Republicans need to make him this year's Michael Dukakis or John Kerry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 04/14/2008
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

Wow. That's original.

Dear Leader, or one or another of her pollster/lobbyists said that just yesterday, right?

30 points in PA or she's out. He's toast. It should be a cake-walk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 04/14/2008
- lvogt I'm a Fan of lvogt 26 fans permalink

The right wingers don't need anything real to moan about. They'll just outright lie anyway.

It's all about who's surrogates control the microphone and you can see that people on-line are not as easily fooled as those who watch TV because every once in awhile when they Google something the truth pops up.

Obama said cling instead of embrace. Big deal it's true anyway.
Wright was bemoaning America's institutional racism. Big deal. He's not running.
Michelle Obama was clearly talking about being proud of the process not the whole country and everyone knows it. None of it matters because in politics people will make any point they want to make regardless of the merits and most people are too uninvolved to know the difference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 04/14/2008
- Tropiholic I'm a Fan of Tropiholic 20 fans permalink

Why on earth would he quite when he's ahead! Surely you jest!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 04/14/2008

The problem with your comment is that most Democrats don't think like you and most Republicans do. It's becoming more and more obvious, perhaps much to your dismay, that the intelligence and compassion and insight of most Americans overshadow the shallow arguments that you have alluded to, and their voices speak louder than the muted voices of small-minded, self-righteous, and self-serving people who seek to stay stuck in the past. Senator Obama is one of the most truly patriotic Americans that we have had an opportunity to consider for the leader of our country and of the free world, and the superficial fears and meaningless patriotic platitudes of yesterday no longer work. Besides, why should he quit the race? He's actually the one winning it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 04/14/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1670 fans permalink
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Did Jesus tell you that? You know, Jesus was wrong what he told Bush about Iraq war.

Oh! And get used to saying President Barack Hussein Obama. Like it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 04/14/2008
- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

Jesus never told Bush anything of the kind, Bush has hearing problems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 04/14/2008
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I'd rather vote for someone that speaks the truth than a proven liar

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 04/14/2008
- Daly I'm a Fan of Daly 19 fans permalink

Excellent! clearly stated in 1 elegant sentence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 04/14/2008
- wesinohio I'm a Fan of wesinohio 43 fans permalink
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We'll include you in the family. We'll sweeten your bitterness. We'll turn those sneers into gracious, happy smiles. We'll set about turning cold, angry faces, shouts and gestures on both sides into warm hugs and hellos.
Obama '08! It's about time!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 04/14/2008
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instead of him going away, why don't you just stay under your rock?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 04/14/2008
- wesinohio I'm a Fan of wesinohio 43 fans permalink
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She should be highlighting the virtues of Barack and bringing us together; that would show leadership. Obama is better suited than either of the other two candidates to be president and Hillary should support him. If she showed that kind of sober, unselfish and imaginative leadership, people would entrust her and honor her with more responsibility. I expect Hillary to endorse Obama. The sooner she endorses Obama, the better it will be for her, the party and the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 04/14/2008

Yes I am bitter and angry!

I HAVE YET TO SEE ANY POLITICIAN SAY THAT THEY WILL TAKE A PAY CUT!

That would really say a lot about the moral fiber of that person!

JFK, never took one red cent from any of us...he gave his Congressional, Senatorial & Presidential Salaries to Charity!

What about it Obama?

Rolling in $30 Million in dough, you couldn't spare more than a dime for the rest of us needy folks?

Can't put a dime NOW into hiring folks? Hmmm?

Sorry, but I fail to see this guy as being a saviour!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 04/14/2008

How then can you be saved if you have missed the second coming of Messiah?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 04/14/2008

Sounds like Hillary thinks she's the first

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 04/14/2008

Only one so far. Bloomberg earns a $1 salary. Obama does not claim to be a savior but he certainly is closer to earth than the other two "Fat Cats".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 04/14/2008
- Aleka I'm a Fan of Aleka 14 fans permalink

wtf are you talking about?

You know that he is worth less than 1 mil right? The 30mil are campaign donations from actual people. I think it would be illegal for him to hand out other people's money!

Clinton on the other hand, THEY grossed 109million over the past 7 years. McCain has 8 houses.

I wonder - why you are railing on the guy with the least money on this? Do you know this sounds really stupid when you compare his personal funds to the other candidates? Go on, write to THEM and ask them to share with the poor! THEY are the ones who can afford it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 04/14/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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He isn't as wealthy as Kennedy was, and frankly I don't think a $ 250,000 public yearly salary is the problem.. It's the selling out during/after office, to business interests ....as in 109 million.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 04/14/2008
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That is a great point to make! Elected officials should not have retirement plans either (pensions).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 04/14/2008

American Research Group today released the first Pennsylvania poll over the weekend. In the last ARG poll on April 5-6, Obama and Clinton were tied at 45%. Clinton now leads Obama 57%-37%. That's a 20 point swing to Clinton in one week. No amount of whining or cover-ups by Obama or his surrogates can hide the fact that his "cling" comments have destroyed his campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 04/14/2008
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

Absolutely. He's toast.

She wins by 30 or she drops out right?

Deal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 04/14/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1670 fans permalink
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Link?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 04/14/2008
- Aleka I'm a Fan of Aleka 14 fans permalink

Though funny, the gallup polls contradict that. The lastest polls, since this "controversy", show him holding his national 10 point lead over her.

Interesting, don't you think?

You know, to take such glee in smelling blood makes you seem like a pretty sick person to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 04/14/2008
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Give me a poll that surveys at least 1,000 registered voters and then we can talk

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 04/14/2008
- Benton I'm a Fan of Benton 42 fans permalink

Look at this. Even Clinton's supporters are liars. When was Obama even with Clinton in Penn anywhere in any poll?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 04/14/2008

Check out www.americanresearchgroup.com. Their April 5-6 poll showed Obama and Clinton tied at 45%. Now Clinton leads 57%-37%.

I know that some of you are so angry--or bitter?--that you have to call others "liars" to make yourself feel better, but it's usually a good idea to make sure you know that someone is lying before you accuse them of it. Apology forthcoming?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 04/14/2008
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I'm bitter because You guys hate Middle America. You hate Liberty, you hate freedom, you hate guns, God and NASCAR. You want to control what light bulbs I use, what cars I drive, what bags I use. You hate the fact that my low life trailer trash kids has the same chance to attend school with you elites. You want to stop school choice, home schooling. You want to stop the fact I can go to a Chevy Dealer and buy a pick up because I just choose too and on the weekends I want to drive up into the hills and ride my ATV. You guys hate that with a passion. I read your blogs other than the Huff Post and you do think Middle America is stupid red neck hicks and hayseeds who pray and believe in a higher power than themselves. At the end you hate judgment by the "coming from the common man" because he has morals, something that was left at Planed Parenthood.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 04/14/2008
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

I have your candidate!

Clinton-Clinton/McCain

Welcome aboard!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 04/14/2008
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I dont want both of the silly however I'll hold my nose for McCain. I want to yell "Sir McCain Sir, we (the United State) do not torturer" and I do not wanna accept the Kyoto Treaty!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 04/14/2008
- cakelady I'm a Fan of cakelady 3 fans permalink

Hey, that was very clever. Did it take you all day to come out with that great post????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 04/14/2008
- toby25 I'm a Fan of toby25 3 fans permalink

That is funny.......and very true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 04/14/2008
- lisakaz I'm a Fan of lisakaz 27 fans permalink

You really think your kids have a prayer at a competitive institution? They'll laugh the minute some creationism is touted like it's fact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 04/14/2008
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Thats like saying: "do you think your kids have a prayer because they are black"
Obama did and his wife
Let me remind you that I'm black and very Conservative
I dont have any kids, I'm only 27 however I know how Liberals think.
I live here amongst them in Boston

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 04/14/2008

I'm a redneck country boy and I don't agree with your logic. You and your morals......You Republicans have no damn morals. You use the church and moral rhetoric to get votes......You steal, lie and cheat to get the advantage in everything you do. You talk about gays like they are a virus, but all of a sudden your representatives are screwing little boys and having gay affairs.....Sickening....Your corporate America is full of Billionaires and taking away the pensions and liability of their workers. You live in a state of hatred for blacks, mexicans and poor people. You Republicans borrow, borrow, borrow, and borrow more and live on credit. You are a PAPER party and don't pay your bills on time. You cannot say that we Southerners FEEL like you do. It's sickening to read your response because you use the same excuse that all Republicans USE........Do it yourself, you say, we don't give a fuck about you.......That's the Republican party for you......Sick

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 04/14/2008
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Please move to Brookline, MA were you belong!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 04/14/2008

As one born in a northern redneck PA town, I cannot agree with you more. The content of Monster's post affirms all my entries on the impact of right-wing--and Hillary--tactics and beliefs. Excellent post.

Nam vet

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 04/14/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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Let me guess - you "have yours"?

Do you feel like you have to avoid social conversations because the Rush Limbaugh Social Darwinists no longer have the monopoly on water-cooler conversation and you're now hearing that "Commie-Speak" coming from people you used to like?

Is it that you a are on a higher-step in the pyramid and you don't want to hear that Hannity, Hume, Limbaugh - break your heart when they cheer the elimination of your job or the fact you have to now have to compete with immigrants at $7.00 an hour.

That would hurt, wouldn't it? - If the the "Mans-Man" blood-brother bond you thought you had with the Murdoch warriors is not what you thought it was. That YOU too are part of Gods'-Unchosen, - the scum that should be herded like cattle and exploited for profit. Will you feel like you've been hit by a truck when you've slipped off your position in the pyramid, - stuck here with the rest of the un-deservings; the lazy, over-paid parasites that the Reagan Super-heroes planned to socially eradicate in the great Neoliberal empire?

Of course McCain and his Murdoch cheerleaders would never do that to a fellow "Mans-Man", would they?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 04/14/2008

What Obama spoke to is a real and deep undercurrent in our society. The disconnect between the population and those that govern. Disaffection, disenfranchisement and outright fear are the natural results. Instead of using a clip from Obama's response to a genuine question, the full statement should be read and studied by anyone that cares for this country. Then we ALL need to rise to the occasion. We need to stop the bickering, backbiting and attack politics at this minute and decide as a genuine movement to SOLVE the problems, not DISSOLVE the union.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 04/14/2008
- Gizmo1125 I'm a Fan of Gizmo1125 3 fans permalink

With Obama it is always just a clip. If only we had seen or heard the whole thing. No thanks I heard more than enough !!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 04/14/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1670 fans permalink
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Why do Hillary supporters sound just like Rush Limbaugh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 04/14/2008
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

Because they're the same people?

Isn't it wild? All this time, they all wanted to be conservatives. On the Winning Team.

Now, they are!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 04/14/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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There is no low in which she's willing to stoop to.

exhibit one:

" The anti-american, radical black nationalist, muslim, drug dealing, turban wearing, false hope monger (as far as I know?) candidate."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 04/14/2008
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did she actually say that? wow. link?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 04/14/2008
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I live in rural America. I know hunters, I know religious people, I know people struggling financially to hold it all together. Are they bitter? Hell yeah!

I'm bitter. Bitter that Americans put themselves in this situation by not informing themselves and by ignoring what's in their best interests. Ignorance is not bliss...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 04/14/2008
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Addendum: Actually, blaming Americans for what the Government did wrong isn't right. However, it gets be mad when we have a voting system that most Americans choose not to use...

I guess you'd call me, "bitter"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 04/14/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1670 fans permalink
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Why are Hillary supporters so bitter?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 04/14/2008
- LanceBoyle I'm a Fan of LanceBoyle 2 fans permalink

Obama and Franks are both speaking an important truth about the role of diversionary politics in redirecting political alienation away from the people and policies taht produced it in the first place.

I can see why Republicans would respond in the traditional way and jump on Obama for being an "elitist" and daring to speak the truth.

And it's telling that HRC would respond in the same fashion as Republicans. She plays the same game.

Every day that passes she provides additional reason for me to deny her my vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 04/14/2008
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for clinton and mccain, it is clear that they are tacitly coordinating these attacks. they each have something to gain by hitting obama from both sides. it will backfire on both.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 04/14/2008

Yes and Obama is a diversion!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 04/14/2008

If Obama can't win Hillary can't either. She insulted Obama's religious faith for Gods sake. Black America can tolerate many things but I think that was one slight too many. The youth won't vote for her. Independents can't stand her.

Dissolve the democratic party if Hillary's slight against Obama actually works because Obama IS the quintessential Democratic candidate, everyone knows this. If McBush gets voted in again in the fall at a time where more then 80% of the country thinks it's going in the wrong direction, what does that say about American democracy? What does that say to the rest of the world who are watching waiting and hoping for the "real America" to show it's face. After 3 Republican terms at office you'd better believe the face of America will be very well defined to the rest of the world.

A third Bush term means America condones torture. It would mean America condones the war in Iraq. It would mean the poor, jobless, Midwesterner believes the rich deserve another tax cut! That they deserve to get richer for Gods sake!! Long and short of it, it means that America's democracy is broken. If enough voters are voting AGAINST their own economic interests so much so that they could give the Republicans a win in a 'change' election, then it really is time to pack it up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 04/14/2008

I post a few short comments and copies with links to two articles at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/intermindcollective/message/1443

The jist is that Obama's great 'sin' was pulling back the curtain on how wedge issues are used by the real elite as diversions in their class warfare against the workers, and how the charge of 'elitism' is the classic preemptive attack charging ones opponent with the very thing the accuser is guilty of.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 04/14/2008
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