Should Thin Be Illegal?

DEVORAH LAUTER | April 15, 2008 09:28 PM EST | AP

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Brazilian model Ana Carolina Reston participates in a fashion show in Belo Horizonte, Brazil, in this April 14, 2005, file photo. The French parliament's lower house adopted a groundbreaking bill Tuesday, April 15, 2008 that would make it illegal for anyone _ including fashion magazines, advertisers and Web sites _ to publicly incite extreme thinness. Reston, a 21-year-old anorexic model who weighed only 88 pounds died Tuesday Nov. 14, 2006 of generalized infection. (AP Photo/Eugenio Savio)

PARIS — In image-conscious France, it may soon be a crime to glamorize the ultra-thin. A new French bill cracks down on Web sites that advise anorexics on how to starve _ and could be used to hit fashion industry heavyweights, too.

The groundbreaking bill, adopted Tuesday by Parliament's lower house, recommends fines of up to $71,000 and three-year prison sentences for offenders who encourage "extreme thinness." It goes to the Senate in the coming weeks.

Critics said the bill is too vague about whom it is targeting and doesn't even clearly define "extreme thinness."

If passed, the law would be the strongest of its kind anywhere, fashion industry experts said. It is the latest measure proposed after the 2006 anorexia-linked death of Brazilian model Ana Carolina Reston prompted efforts throughout the fashion industry to address the health repercussions of ultra-thin models.

Doctors and psychologists treating patients with anorexia nervosa _ a disorder characterized by an extreme fear of becoming overweight _ welcomed the French effort, but said anorexia's link with media images remains hazy.

For the bill's backers, the message behind the measure is important enough.

The bill's author, conservative French lawmaker Valery Boyer, said she wanted to encourage discussion about women's health and body image. Health Minister Roselyne Bachelot said Web sites that encourage young girls to starve should not be protected by freedom of expression.

So-called "pro-ana" _ for pro-anorexia _ sites and blogs have flourished in the United States and beyond, often hosted by adolescents sharing stories of how they deprive their bodies of nourishment.

French lawmakers and fashion industry members signed a nonbinding charter last week on promoting healthier body images. In 2007, Spain banned from catwalks models whose body mass-to-height ratio is below 18.

Bill author Boyer said such measures did not go far enough.

Her bill has focused attention on pro-anorexia Web sites that give advice on how to eat an apple a day _ and nothing else.

The sites claim to provide emotional support for people who want to become anorexic. Photos of waif-like celebrities are given as "Thinspirations" on one blog, along with a list of advice on "how to skip meals." The site's host writes that she is not yet 15.

Boyer said in a telephone interview that her proposed legislation would enable a judge to sanction those responsible for a magazine photo of a model whose "thinness altered her health."

"That is the objective of this text," she said, without specifying who in particular might be prosecuted.

"The socio-cultural and media environment seems to favor the emergence of troubled nutritional behavior, and that is why I think it necessary to act," she said. Boyer insisted she wasn't out to punish models or anorexics themselves.

The bill would make it illegal to "provoke a person to seek excessive weight loss by encouraging prolonged nutritional deprivation that would have the effect of exposing them to risk of death or directly compromise health."

It calls for prison terms of up to two years and fines of up to $47,000 for offenders, with punishment increasing to three years in prison and a $71,000 fine in cases where a victim dies of an eating disorder.

Socialist lawmaker Catherine Coutelle said the bill was introduced to lawmakers too quickly _ less than two weeks ago, on April 3 _ to allow for thorough discussion before Tuesday's vote.

Legislator Jean-Marie Le Guen argued against legislating "social norms" and said there was no proof that anorexia comes from imitation. "What is extreme thinness?" he asked.

While the health dangers of anorexia are obvious, opponents said it should be up to parents and doctors _ not the government _ to deal with the reasons for eating disorders.

Didier Grumbach, president of the French Federation of Couture, rejected legislating body weight.

"Never will we accept in our profession that a judge decides if a young girl is skinny or not skinny," he said. "That doesn't exist in the world, and it will certainly not exist in France."

Modeling agencies had mixed reactions.

Patrick Lemire of Marilyn modeling agency in Paris, said he believed the bill only affected pro-anorexia Web sites, and brushed off concerns about its affect on the fashion industry.

"We don't have anything to do with health problems of the anorexic kind. The models (at our agency) are thin, but not anorexic," he said.

Juliette Menager, casting director for Joule Studio in Paris, said clearer guidelines on model weight could be a good thing.

"There is definitely an enormous problem," she said, describing some demands from magazine stylists as "completely sick." She said some models she represents lose even more weight for fashion shows.

"They are so thin during the shows, much more than the rest of the year. Sometimes it's really scary, like a concentration camp."

The Council of Fashion Designers of America adopted guidelines last year saying it wants its models to be healthy and not anorexic or bulimic. The guidelines are not binding and do not mention a specific mass-to-height ratio.

"While the guidelines are not mandatory and no law exists, each season we continue to hear stories of designers, stylists and agents refusing to work with models who appear unhealthy and supporting them by connecting them to resources and help," Steven Kolb, the group's executive director, said in an e-mailed statement.

The French health minister also suggested imposing limits on the body mass index of models at French fashion shows, and said France could push for a Europe-wide anti-anorexia measure when it takes over the rotating presidency of the European Union in July.

Most of the 30,000 to 40,000 people with anorexia in France are women, the Health Ministry says, as are most of the millions of people around the world who suffer from eating disorders.

Marleen S. Williams, a psychology professor at Brigham Young University in Utah who researches the media's effect on anorexic women, said it was nearly impossible to prove the media causes eating disorders.

Williams said studies show fewer eating disorders in "cultures that value full-bodied women." Yet with the new French legal initiative, she fears, "you're putting your finger in one hole in the dike, but there are other holes, and it's much more complex than that."

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Associated Press writers Emmanuel Georges-Picot and Angela Charlton in Paris contributed to this report.

 

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if thin is illegal, then fat people should get the death penalty. with extra cheese.

here's a big fat news flash: americans are too fat. here's another, fatter news flash: it's their own fat fault.

lose weight or die off, fatties. you make america look worse than bush does.

love, my eyes.

ps: you have a medical disorder? you sure do, fatty. it's called morbid obesity, and it's YOUR FAULT.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 04/17/2008

Yes, fat people can lose weight. But morbidly moronic people like yourself are doomed to spend their lives intellectually challenged.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 04/17/2008

Should thin be illegal? Considering that Bush's buddies have set the wheels in motion to convert 30%+ of our nation's cereal crop over to fuel production starting next year, we're looking a a LOT more involuntarily thin people than we have currently.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 04/17/2008

This is a Drudge-like question.

Silly.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 04/17/2008

I agree that being too thin should be legal, but what are they calling too thin. I'm 5'1" and only 100lbs naturally. What is a girl like me to do? I've been trying to gain weight, but can't so do they put people like me in jail til I gain weight?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 04/17/2008

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You are fine. Ignore the fat people trying to make you conform to their insecurities.
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favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 04/17/2008

The ultra-thin aesthetic is simply a marketing tool to make real people feel unattractive. Spend your way to beauty. Consume without consuming (food). While it may make sense to drape overpriced couture on a human praying mantis it's not a good lesson for young people who end up smoking cigarettes to "maintain their weight." Two deaths for the price of one. Moreover, artistically, I find nothing attractive in 85 pound teen-agers. Does anyone recall the ideal woman of the 19th century? Lillian Russell et al were rather hefty. In the early 20th century when the aesthetic changed women ate tapeworms to keep their weight down. Ain't western culture grand?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 04/17/2008

If you were a gay fashion designer, you of course would be designing for your ideal of the human form...

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 04/17/2008

WHEN, OH WHEN, WILL SOMEONE CREATE A GOVERNMENT AND/OR LEGISLATIVE SOLUTION TO ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 AM on 04/17/2008

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ONE OUT OF THREE AMERICANS ARE OBESE !
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TWO OUT OF THREE AMERICANS ARE OVERWEIGHT !
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SO CLEARLY SKINNY CHICKS ARE THE PROBLEM !.
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favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 AM on 04/17/2008

So clearly you haven't had a relative almost die of the disorder but that is okay because getting rid of fatties is more important to you than the lives of the desperate. Good on you.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 04/17/2008

To those of you saying then fat should be illegal .... no, then all the dangerous things that destroy metabolism should be illegal: high fructose corn syrup, over refined white flour, splenda, zoloft, ambien, etc etc!!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 04/17/2008

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Heh, a bit defensive for some reason?
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The real issue is hypocrisy.
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It is hypocritical for fat people to complain about skinny people.
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It is hypocritical to ban skinny models but to applaud fat models.
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Clearer?
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favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 04/17/2008

who the fuck wants to look at fat models?

besides, fat models are bad for the environment because they leave a bigger carbonara footprint.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 04/17/2008

Good grief !!

Let's put the blame & responsibility back where it belongs... on the women themselves. They're damn well old enough to know right from wrong. If they're too simple-minded to eat a healthy diet of food, then their anorexic deaths are nothing more than the "natural selection" of our species.

Darwinism works people. If the shallow end of the gene pool needs a little chlorine once in a while, so much the better for the survival of humanity.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 AM on 04/17/2008

Well, look at the apologist lemmings come crawling out of their holes. I always enjoy a good laugh, thanks.

My statements were in regards to people who starve themselves to death, not "skinny" people. Pretty weak attempt at a straw man argument, avraamjack. Better luck elsewhere.

And barriosbabe actually thinks that 16-year olds are just mindless stumps who believe anything they're told to believe. You must not have been a teenager for quite a long time to believe that drivel. And again, another pathetic simpleton who attempts a straw man argument. Weak attempt barriosbabe. Unless you can show me that the world is inundated with teenagers who don't know that starving yourself to death is.. uh... bad, then all the name calling in the world won't distract from your own idiocy.

Any more straw man arguments to shift focus from people taking responsibility for themselves? Bring it on. Like I'd said in the beginning, I always enjoy a good laugh, thanks.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 04/17/2008

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The funny part of your conceit is your ignorance of the scientific fact that very skinny people live far longer than average.
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favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 04/17/2008

Totally disagree. To ignore the overwhelming influence of lying ads, scolding anal parents and sickly nutritionless food aimed at us from all quarters is ridiculous. An obese man working two jobs and picking up day old white bread, an anorexic 16 year old being fed toxic Zoloft and Ativan by misguided parents, hardly have an understood choice.It is the hallmark of those who don't get societal sway to think that every person out there "has a choice." You've obviously never met a sincere hard working person who did not know that everything from HFCS to Wellbutrin and Celexa destroy metabolism. You're one of those "no fat people in a concentration camp" idiots.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 04/17/2008

Agreed

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 04/17/2008

If you are so stupid as to kill yourself by not eating when you have plenty of food, the human race doesn't need you in the gene pool anyway. What's next, will the government outlaw my man-boobs?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 04/17/2008

Those women are ugly. Are there any men here who really find these skeletons attractive? Really. Guys what do ya think?

GWW

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 04/17/2008

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I am sure they look just fine when they are sitting on your face.
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favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 04/17/2008

Give me Gina Lolabrigida (excuse spelling) any day. The "thin" aesthetic started with Twiggy 40 years ago...can't we move on?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 04/17/2008

I was looking back at a comment made by a former model/ turned agency head. Her comment was I wish I could find models who are anorexic. Does this woman know what anorexia does to the body? Its dangerous to be that rail thin. Screw how clothes might look on an anorexic body, what is underneath is starving. Its this sort of mentality, this stupid arrogance, that allows disigners to continue to push the pin thin stereotypes on women. This is a big world, with room for all kinds of people, and if you are NOT rail thin, so be it. Looks are only one percent of your whole. Looks fade, personalities don't. I am a former anorexic myself. After suffering the medical problems, going through lots of therapy to realize I wasn't this ugly monster unless I was a stick, (yes, men made me feel that way even though I was a size 2), I over came my disease. When my daughter and niece developed it, I cried knowing it was society and how it viewed a woman's looks and based thier value only on that. Nobody should make another feel that bad about themselves. I let someone do that to me, Please, don't do this to other people. Its mean folks,. really, it is.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 04/16/2008

no but i truly believe obesity should be illegal

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 04/16/2008

Is it the models or the media pushing them? If you don't like it turn off the TV or don't buy the magazines.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 04/16/2008

When I was a teen I worked for different photographers in NYC who specialized in photographing models for fashion magazines. What I found is that there are a lot of mysogynists in this industry. Men who absolutely hated women. Not just photographers, but fashion designers, industry heads, execs working for the magazines. While not everyone, there were clearly more per capita than would be normally found in any other industry. It was really distressing.

On more than one occassion I witness women who were rail thin being called a fat slob or some other derogatory remark. I also found that there are a lot of homosexual men in this industry and they seemed to want the woman to be thin because it made them more appealing to them. I think we have to look at the motivations of why the industry keeps insisting that models get thinner and thinner. It's certainly not because the clothes look better - they don't! After all that I witnessed in my short internship, it turned me off from ever considering becoming a photographer.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 AM on 04/17/2008

Perhaps unconsciously, some gay men in the fashion industry are thinking that a sexy body, is one that more like a skinny young man's than a woman's.

Healthy women have hips, thighs, and curvy figures. The pencil thin look, is all about erasing a woman's natural erotic qualities.

This issue has been in the public consciousness for a few years now and yet, even the NY Times fashion supplement uses anorexic models.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 04/17/2008

And what do our young daughters do to counter the pressure to be rail-thin? You're making it too simple. A good book: Raising Ophelia. It's scary the sort of pressure that our hyped-up sexualized freaky-shallow society has had on our kids. And yes. I do turn off the television for my kids. But what to do about the constant input from everywhere else?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 04/17/2008

But what should I do about billboards, clothing models, magazines, newspapers, the internet, and cultural prefrences.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 04/17/2008

What a headline! Some societies make everything illegal and then, selectively prosecute! On the other hand, we have to realize that each person should and will decide what their own poison consists of ... how, when and where they live their life ... what's important to them ... that's called freedom! Some nanny cultures, or would be nanny cultures believe everyone needs to be lead! Forget that crap!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 04/16/2008

nobody truly holds anorexia as the ideal, except johnny depp perhaps. these laws are flaccid; people have civil rights damnit! to starve to death or to overdose...

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 04/16/2008

""you're putting your finger in one hole in the dike, but there are other holes, and it's much more complex than that.""

"Other holes" Good choice of words.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 04/16/2008

There are times when people should just shut the fuck up. This is one of those times.

If thin is illegal then fat, squat, ugly and stupid should be illegal - especially stupid.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 04/16/2008

When you get through channeling Adolph HItler, pleaase give Mother Teresa chance to speak through you, too.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 04/17/2008

Be careful what you wish for, twig lover.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 04/17/2008

it was at one time, look up the u.s. eugenics program in the 1930's

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 04/17/2008