Clinton emphatically says Obama can win White House

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BETH FOUHY | April 16, 2008 11:17 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., right, shakes hands with Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y. at the conclusion of their debate at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, Wednesday April 16, 2008. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)

PHILADELPHIA — Hillary Rodham Clinton said emphatically Wednesday night that Barack Obama can win the White House this fall, undercutting her efforts to deny him the Democratic presidential nomination by suggesting he would lead the party to defeat.

"Yes, yes, yes," she said when pressed about Obama's electability during a campaign debate six days before the Pennsylvania primary.

Asked a similar question about Clinton, Obama said "Absolutely and I've said so before" _ a not-so-subtle dig at his rival who had previously declined to make a similar statement about him.

In a 90-minute debate, both rivals pledged not to raise taxes on individuals making less than $200,000, and said they would respond forcefully if Iran obtains nuclear weapons and uses them against Israel.

"An attack on Israel would incur massive retaliation by the United States," said Clinton.

Obama said, "The U.S. would take appropriate action."

They differed over Social Security when Obama said he favored raising payroll taxes on higher-income individuals. Clinton said she was opposed, her rival quickly cut in and countered that she had said earlier in the campaign she was open to the idea.

Under current law, workers must pay the payroll tax on their first $102,000 in wages. Obama generally has expressed support for a plan to reimpose the tax beginning at a level of $200,000 or more.

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The debate was the 21st of the campaign for the nomination, an epic struggle that could last weeks or even months longer.

Pennsylvania, with 158 delegates at stake, is a must-win contest for Clinton, who leads in the polls and hopes for a strong victory to propel her through the other states that vote before the primary season ends on June 3.

Obama leads in the delegate chase, 1,643-1,504, with 2,025 needed for the nomination. And despite a recent gaffe, he picked up endorsements during the day from three superdelegates from a pair of states with primaries on May 6 _ Reps. Andre Carson of Indiana and Mel Watt and David Price of North Carolina.

After primaries and caucuses in 42 of the 50 states, Obama leads his rival in convention delegates, popular votes and states won. She is struggling to stop his drive on the nomination by appealing to party leaders who will attend the convention as superdelegates that he will preside over an electoral defeat at a moment of great opportunity after eight years of Republican rule.

The former first lady has never denied published reports that she once told New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson that Obama couldn't win when he called to tell her he would be endorsing the Illinois senator.

And at a news conference earlier this month in California, Clinton sidestepped when asked directly whether Obama would win if he were the Democratic nominee. "I am sure we will have a united Democratic Party. I will do everything possible to make sure we can win and I am confident we will have a Democrat in the White House next year," she said at the time.

Asked a similar question at the debate, she provided a similar answer at first. "I think we have to beat John McCain and I have every reason to believe we're going to have a Democratic president and it's going to be Barack or me."

Pressed by George Stephanopoulos of ABC News to answer the question directly, she said, "Yes, yes, yes ... Now I think I can do a better job."

In a debate that moved swiftly between politics and policy, Clinton issued a first-ever public apology for having claimed erroneously that she landed in Bosnia under sniper fire in 1996 as first lady.

"I may be a lot of things but I am not dumb," she said, adding that she had written in her book that there had been no gunfire during the episode. She said she was embarrassed by her error. "I'm sorry I said it," she added.

She previously had explained her incorrect comments by saying she had misspoken.

Obama later erred by saying he had never favored a ban on handguns even though as a state Senate candidate in 1996 he filled out a questionnaire from an Illinois voter group saying he would support such a ban.

"My writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire ... as I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns," Obama said, even though his handwritten notes did appear on its front page. The reponse to the question about guns was typed.

Obama had more explaining to do moments later, when he was asked about his controversial comment that small town Americans become bitter because of economic adversity, and "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them" as a result.

He said he was attempting to say that because voters feel ignored by government, "they end up being much more concerned about votes around things like guns where traditions have been passed on from generation to generation. And those are incredibly important to them."

"People don't cling to their traditions on hunting and guns" out of frustration with their government, Clinton said. She added that Obama had a fundamental misunderstanding on the role of religion and faith.

Both Obama and Clinton sidestepped when asked if they would place their rival on the ticket as vice presidential running mate in the fall.

"I think very highly of Senator Clinton's record, but I think it is premature at this point to talk about who the vice presidential candidates will be because we're still trying to determine who the nominee will be," Obama said.

Clinton was similarly noncommittal. "I'm going to do everything I possibly can to make sure that one of us takes the oath of office next January. I think that has to be the overriding goal," she said.

Neither rival was willing to say they would ask President Bush to serve in any capacity after he leaves office. Obama volunteered he would be "more likely to ask the advice of the current president's father. He said, that as president, George H. W. Bush had presided over a "wise foreign policy" at the time the Cold War was ending.

ABC News sponsored and televised the debate, with Charles Gibson and Stephanopoulos moderating.

PHILADELPHIA — Hillary Rodham Clinton said emphatically Wednesday night that Barack Obama can win the White House this fall, undercutting her efforts to deny him the Democratic presidential nomi...
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- rmreddicks I'm a Fan of rmreddicks 36 fans permalink
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By clicking on the picture of Hillary, Charlie, and Barack I came to this thread. What a picture! Hell, 15 minutes into the "debate" Obama should have invited Clinton to walk off the stage with him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 04/17/2008
- IRIE I'm a Fan of IRIE 6 fans permalink

Neither one can win in November .

African-Americans are the single most loyal block of Democratic voters. They're absolutely solid voting record is the reason why Bill Clinton won handily and why Gore got the popular vote.

Democrats can't win without African-American support.

Let me say that one more time for the people in the cheap seats.

DEMOCRATS CAN'T WIN WITHOUT AFRICAN-AMERICAN SUPPORT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 04/17/2008

BIG STORY! HILARY CLINTON ADMITTED THAT SHE LIED ABOUT ROSINA!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 04/17/2008

The only thing that so called debate proved last night is that George S. is no Judas!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 04/17/2008

Thanks for the laugh bjames!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 04/17/2008

Anytime my friend!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 04/17/2008

The loser of the debate was the Democratic Party. The winner was John McCain. Plain and Simple. Obama was hammered by the moderators and Clinton, but I don't think she looked very good either. Her supporters may be pleased at some perceived short term gain she may get, but it's coming at a high price to the party. The republicans and their allies in the mainstream media are every day manipulating this primary to their advantage, and John McCain's numbers keep going up. And the bar has been set to a new low for debates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 04/17/2008

Great point santamonica39,

The Clinton supporters seem to have no ability to see the big picture!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 04/17/2008

I see that Charley “Wet Noodle” Gibson and George “Goosestep” Stephanopolous showed the American public what they are really “concerned” about.
It was a political witch hunt, with no sustenance. The debate was a dog and pony show for the elitist’s media. What a load of “CRAP”. What the hell is the media AFRAID of!!!!
Oh, they may report the TRUTH! I think the FCC has added that word to the list of NINE other words we cannot say out-loud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 04/17/2008
- AG34 I'm a Fan of AG34 permalink

The issue isn't that the debate focused mostly on Obama or that it was "tough on Obama". That's fine with his supporters I'm sure. It was the stupid and vapid gotcha level of the questions. It truly is elitist to think that the American people don't want to hear/can't understand a reasoned and adult debate on substantive issues. Instead, we were fed a series of superficial flash points right out of a gossip magazine. Next time it will be about Clinton and her comments in 1995 about white working class people, V Foster, Pork futures, Monica, and all the old issues. And in the fall it will be about McCain and his friendship with the blond lobbyist, his frequent gambling in Vegas, and other really central "issues". Who cares.
This was an example of two elite, DC Palm restaurant going, rich men who wanted to "talk at the level of" the American people and proved to America that they're in fact clueless about what the "little people" are able to hear. Or as Charlie Gibson apparently thinks..that people making 200K dollars a year are making an average salary...pathetic. ABC should be ashamed.
This is not a partisan issue or pro or anti-Obama. It's an example of elite media thinking that when they talk on "our simple tabloid level of politics" they can only talk about these stupid issues. George should be fired and work for his old boss. Maybe he was auditioning for one last night.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 04/17/2008
- brizzle I'm a Fan of brizzle 3 fans permalink

This is the best debate ever hosted by TMZ. I can't wait until the E! channel hosts their debate next month! BTW, does anyone know when Britney Spears' little sister will be hosting the Disney debate? I can't wait to find out Hillary's favorite color!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 04/17/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 236 fans permalink
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great! ~( :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 04/17/2008

Who is poet Frank Davis?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 04/17/2008
- rmreddicks I'm a Fan of rmreddicks 36 fans permalink
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http://www.poets.org/poet.php/prmPID/465

unless he's a car dealer in Oklahoma.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 04/17/2008
- Clarabell I'm a Fan of Clarabell 65 fans permalink
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Seems to me I heard a while back that Charlie Gibson was one of the last remaining (journalist) good guys. Boy, things sure do change fast. And he looked a little pathetic from what I saw.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 04/17/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 644 fans permalink
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I would like to ask a question, is the Constitution a god damned piece of paper ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 04/17/2008
- rmreddicks I'm a Fan of rmreddicks 36 fans permalink
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A useful bit of foolscap (the size may be near right). If somewhat illegally drawn. My understanding is that the Articles of Confederation did not allow for the methodology of the Constitution's implementation. The ability to amend the Constitution is both fortuitous and hazardous. (Prohibition, Women's Suffrage, Equal Rights, Flag-burning, Prayer in Schools, etc.)

http://www.usconstitution.net/constamfail.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 04/17/2008
- rmreddicks I'm a Fan of rmreddicks 36 fans permalink
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I forgot to mention the abhorrent 3/5 rule.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 04/17/2008

The ONLY question now as far as I'm concerned is:

WHEN WILL GIBSON AND STEPHENPOOPOLOUS BE FIRED??!?!?!?!?!?!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 04/17/2008
- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

What really bothers me about George and Charlie, the terrible twins, is that they didn't even try to cover up how biased they were being. As if they thought the audience would sanction what they were doing---we KNOW Hillary liked it.
Another thing. I hope Obama doesn't agree to any more debates. For it will just be debating for the sake of debating---and anyway, with most of them, Hillary was demanding them and he was giving her what she wanted. That has to stop.
Her needs new advisors if they agree to another one. It wasn't even a debate, it was a bear-baiting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 04/17/2008
- Aleka I'm a Fan of Aleka 14 fans permalink

I actually DO think they thought the audience and america would sanction it.

They spent days beforehand lynching Obama for the out of context "bitter" sound bite - I think that THEY thought America bought that hook line and sinker and were all "outraged" at him - after all, did they not spend 5 days "educating" them what he "really meant" (if you took out context!) and instructing them to be "outraged"?

I don't think it occured to them that the public by and large does not seem to have bought into that at all. So I think they were surprised to get backlash when they probably truly thought they were putting the nail in the coffin and giving Clinton all the ammo she needed to convince the supers she is more electable.

Just goes to show who the real idiots were.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 04/17/2008
- rmreddicks I'm a Fan of rmreddicks 36 fans permalink
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Perhaps Obama would welcome a real debate. We debase, demean and de-lexicon (I'm making that one up) the word debate when we call Disney a debate moderator or referee. Wouldn't matter with which side they sided.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 04/17/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 644 fans permalink
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When the People rise up and take back their country. In other words, never.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 04/17/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 644 fans permalink
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That was too negative, there is hope.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 04/17/2008

Oh, they won't be fired. Make no mistake about it, Gibson and Steph-a-poopalus did exactly what their bosses wanted them to do. Do you think corporate media monguls want Obama to be president? Not when republicans have been making it so easy for them to consolidate control over the airwaves. And John McCain is one of their biggest allies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 04/17/2008

I meant "moguls"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 04/17/2008
- riverhouse I'm a Fan of riverhouse 49 fans permalink

Hillary's performance in this campaign has shown us just what we'd be in for should the Clintons reenter the White House. She's a conniving bottom dweller, divisive and chaotic, always fighting with someone over something, secretive and unpleasant. She can't win the nomination. She's just trying to marginalize Obama so McCain can get his one term and she can rise from the dead and put us through all this junk again. The Clintons have had their time at the trough. They have their $109 million and two multimillion dollar homes. They have capitalized on the presidency once. They need to go away and live their elitist life on Martha's Vineyard and Manhattan and let President Obama lead us out of this nightmare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 04/17/2008
- KINOKO I'm a Fan of KINOKO 5 fans permalink

Excellent post, riverhouse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 04/19/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

The media loves McCain. They attend his BBQ's. They are soft and weak when it comes to their Johnny-boy. Gutless corporate whores.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 04/17/2008
- Clarabell I'm a Fan of Clarabell 65 fans permalink
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Media love the Retards -- it's really quite simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 04/17/2008

Now that the cat is completely out of the bag and Hillary is running as an imitation snarling Republican, is there any doubt that John McCain--an actual Republican--will beat Hillary (a sickening and perverse hybrid of fake Republican/fake Democrat )in a general election?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 04/17/2008
- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

Hillary is running as what I've said she is: Medea on steroids. Lock up the kids.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 04/17/2008

Tears of laughter on this one. Thnks nohat!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 04/17/2008
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