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BETH FOUHY | April 16, 2008 11:17 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., right, shakes hands with Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y. at the conclusion of their debate at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, Wednesday April 16, 2008. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)

PHILADELPHIA — Hillary Rodham Clinton said emphatically Wednesday night that Barack Obama can win the White House this fall, undercutting her efforts to deny him the Democratic presidential nomination by suggesting he would lead the party to defeat.

"Yes, yes, yes," she said when pressed about Obama's electability during a campaign debate six days before the Pennsylvania primary.

Asked a similar question about Clinton, Obama said "Absolutely and I've said so before" _ a not-so-subtle dig at his rival who had previously declined to make a similar statement about him.

In a 90-minute debate, both rivals pledged not to raise taxes on individuals making less than $200,000, and said they would respond forcefully if Iran obtains nuclear weapons and uses them against Israel.

"An attack on Israel would incur massive retaliation by the United States," said Clinton.

Obama said, "The U.S. would take appropriate action."

They differed over Social Security when Obama said he favored raising payroll taxes on higher-income individuals. Clinton said she was opposed, her rival quickly cut in and countered that she had said earlier in the campaign she was open to the idea.

Under current law, workers must pay the payroll tax on their first $102,000 in wages. Obama generally has expressed support for a plan to reimpose the tax beginning at a level of $200,000 or more.

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The debate was the 21st of the campaign for the nomination, an epic struggle that could last weeks or even months longer.

Pennsylvania, with 158 delegates at stake, is a must-win contest for Clinton, who leads in the polls and hopes for a strong victory to propel her through the other states that vote before the primary season ends on June 3.

Obama leads in the delegate chase, 1,643-1,504, with 2,025 needed for the nomination. And despite a recent gaffe, he picked up endorsements during the day from three superdelegates from a pair of states with primaries on May 6 _ Reps. Andre Carson of Indiana and Mel Watt and David Price of North Carolina.

After primaries and caucuses in 42 of the 50 states, Obama leads his rival in convention delegates, popular votes and states won. She is struggling to stop his drive on the nomination by appealing to party leaders who will attend the convention as superdelegates that he will preside over an electoral defeat at a moment of great opportunity after eight years of Republican rule.

The former first lady has never denied published reports that she once told New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson that Obama couldn't win when he called to tell her he would be endorsing the Illinois senator.

And at a news conference earlier this month in California, Clinton sidestepped when asked directly whether Obama would win if he were the Democratic nominee. "I am sure we will have a united Democratic Party. I will do everything possible to make sure we can win and I am confident we will have a Democrat in the White House next year," she said at the time.

Asked a similar question at the debate, she provided a similar answer at first. "I think we have to beat John McCain and I have every reason to believe we're going to have a Democratic president and it's going to be Barack or me."

Pressed by George Stephanopoulos of ABC News to answer the question directly, she said, "Yes, yes, yes ... Now I think I can do a better job."

In a debate that moved swiftly between politics and policy, Clinton issued a first-ever public apology for having claimed erroneously that she landed in Bosnia under sniper fire in 1996 as first lady.

"I may be a lot of things but I am not dumb," she said, adding that she had written in her book that there had been no gunfire during the episode. She said she was embarrassed by her error. "I'm sorry I said it," she added.

She previously had explained her incorrect comments by saying she had misspoken.

Obama later erred by saying he had never favored a ban on handguns even though as a state Senate candidate in 1996 he filled out a questionnaire from an Illinois voter group saying he would support such a ban.

"My writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire ... as I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns," Obama said, even though his handwritten notes did appear on its front page. The reponse to the question about guns was typed.

Obama had more explaining to do moments later, when he was asked about his controversial comment that small town Americans become bitter because of economic adversity, and "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them" as a result.

He said he was attempting to say that because voters feel ignored by government, "they end up being much more concerned about votes around things like guns where traditions have been passed on from generation to generation. And those are incredibly important to them."

"People don't cling to their traditions on hunting and guns" out of frustration with their government, Clinton said. She added that Obama had a fundamental misunderstanding on the role of religion and faith.

Both Obama and Clinton sidestepped when asked if they would place their rival on the ticket as vice presidential running mate in the fall.

"I think very highly of Senator Clinton's record, but I think it is premature at this point to talk about who the vice presidential candidates will be because we're still trying to determine who the nominee will be," Obama said.

Clinton was similarly noncommittal. "I'm going to do everything I possibly can to make sure that one of us takes the oath of office next January. I think that has to be the overriding goal," she said.

Neither rival was willing to say they would ask President Bush to serve in any capacity after he leaves office. Obama volunteered he would be "more likely to ask the advice of the current president's father. He said, that as president, George H. W. Bush had presided over a "wise foreign policy" at the time the Cold War was ending.

ABC News sponsored and televised the debate, with Charles Gibson and Stephanopoulos moderating.

PHILADELPHIA — Hillary Rodham Clinton said emphatically Wednesday night that Barack Obama can win the White House this fall, undercutting her efforts to deny him the Democratic presidential nomi...
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In Memoriam--George Stephanopoulos: Political Hack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SsMTK7IFkw

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 04/17/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 657 fans permalink
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Charlie Gibson knows more than we will ever know, we should all bow down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 04/17/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 69 fans permalink

About what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 04/17/2008
- anticon I'm a Fan of anticon 13 fans permalink

Charlie very concerned with those in his tax bracket.Think they call them the elite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 04/17/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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Yes, he was more interested in the capital gains tax issue than the war. But then, all republicans are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 04/17/2008
- widollar I'm a Fan of widollar 6 fans permalink
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These two guys from ABC should never be allowed to moderate another debate, period! Shamefull performance and chidish!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 04/17/2008

Chuck Todd: "Overall, with the spotlight on him very bright, Obama didn't step up. He got rattled early on and never picked his game back up. Clinton wasn't very warm (outside of he first few minutes), but she didn't have the spotlight on her very bright. And as we've noted here quite a few times, whenever the spotlight is on one candidate, the other seems to benefit. Last night, the spotlight was on Obama, and for a short period of time, expect Clinton to benefit. But the question is whether she can sustain any benefit since as the negativity goes on, she pays a bigger price than Obama. Let's see what Pennsylvania decides in five days.
Walter Shapiro: "This was not an evening that will shimmer in Obama's memory book."
Andrew Sullivan: "It was a lifeless, exhausted, drained and dreary Obama we saw tonight. I've seen it before when he is tired, but this was his worst performance yet on national television. He seemed crushed and unable to react. This is big-time politics and he's up against the Clinton wood-chipper. But there is no disguising the fact that he wilted, painfully."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 04/17/2008
- liveon I'm a Fan of liveon 3 fans permalink

Think you need to check out everything that Andrew Sullivan said about the debate, not just the salient details that made Obama look exhausted and frustrated. Look at the all of the Sullivan posts regarding this........you'll see a very different story. But then it's just like Clinton fans to select out the unfavorable parts of everything. They relish the bad and throw away the positive, constructive and truth. I loved Hillary's defense of her repeated Bosnia lies......what was that exactly........is she saying she was that tired all of the times she repeated that story with vigorous authority?.........and may have misstated something? And they let her get away with that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 04/17/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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Chuck Todd is a shill, BTW.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 04/17/2008
- KINOKO I'm a Fan of KINOKO 5 fans permalink

hummmmm...the "worst performance" at the WORST DEBATE. At least he did 'perform'. Personally, I would have walked off the stage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 04/19/2008
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The MSM doesn't understand how many of

US see through them as whores of the MIC.

Victims of their own groupthinking, just like

the neocons, they're corrupt & incompetent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 04/17/2008
- Clarabell I'm a Fan of Clarabell 65 fans permalink
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You got it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 04/17/2008
- Lvm I'm a Fan of Lvm 4 fans permalink

BOYCOTT!!! Make them apologise for their blatant disdain for the American Public. Make them apologise for not telling the truth on why we invaded Iraq. Make them accountable for greed and hubris while kids are dying in Iraq. Tell the Truth ABC. We're mad as hell, and we're not going to take it anymore. Make them accountable to US!! Make them apologise to us for treating us like we're stupid. Too bad, ABC, you are the ones who will take the brunt for all the lies from corporate media. You just pushed your luck a little too far. Apologise!! Demand it!! Charlie...while you are worrying about your capital gains tax, kids are dying, dying in a war your company promoted. BOYCOTT, until they apologise for getting paid millions for not doing their job. And DEMAND that everyone at corporate wear their flag lapel pin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 04/17/2008
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 04/17/2008
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your boiled armpits are ready

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 04/17/2008
- Mattatat I'm a Fan of Mattatat 5 fans permalink

"waa waaa, mommy, mommy, they asked Baracky too many tough questions."

Dems for McCain '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 04/17/2008
- Lvm I'm a Fan of Lvm 4 fans permalink

Try very hard to grasp the concept that this is not about either candidate. It is about the state of MSM in this country. Asking questions a second grader would ask is not worthy of us, or who we used to be as Americans. It would be akin to asking McCain what he did wrong to allow himself to be captured in Vietnam. Demand more from these phoney news networks, for your own sake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 04/17/2008
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I would have been outraged if this was a republican debate. As an American, you should be as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 04/17/2008

check out Frank Davis, Obama's mentor.Google Paul Hollrah "red, white and black"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 04/17/2008

Shameful performance by George S. Barack did a good job of parrying the Willaim Ayres question. "I was 8 years old" exposes just how inane the question really is.

On the other hand we have Hillary sounding like somewhere deep down she is coming to a slow realization that just isn't going to go her way. Hope she doesn't firebomb the place on the way out the door. ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 04/17/2008
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name trolls are dopey

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 04/17/2008

I am guessing you aren't AnninCA?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 04/17/2008

Nope...NOT our little "Annie".....

One of about 3 or 4 imposters we have here !!!!

Oy Vey !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 04/17/2008

Heck, I'm not even AnninCa. *haha

but *waving*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 04/17/2008
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hey it's an Ann impersantor

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Sorry, my link below has gone bad. Just ignore it.
Rats.

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nohat

Try this one. It is the same url but shorter:

http://tinyurl.com/5blddy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 04/17/2008
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"US PRESIDENTIAL contender Barack Obama has wiped out his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton's yawning lead in Indiana and trails by just five points in Pennsylvania, according to a new poll..."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23548138-5005961,00.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 04/17/2008
- anticon I'm a Fan of anticon 13 fans permalink

The end is near.

Thursday, April 17
Pennsylvania Democratic Primary Zogby Clinton 45, Obama 44

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 04/17/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 237 fans permalink
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Zogby hasn't gotten a poll correct this entire election cycle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 04/17/2008

I am an Obama supporter and I agree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 04/17/2008
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For the democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 04/17/2008

I think the Zogby poll is fixed. I signed up for polling and have never been asked to submit to any polls, except the very first one

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 04/17/2008
- RSU I'm a Fan of RSU 96 fans permalink
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Maybe they didn't like your answers . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 04/17/2008
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From MSNBC - Some 300,000 U.S. troops are suffering from depression or post traumatic stress from serving in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and 320,000 received brain injuries, a new study estimates.

But by all means, let's talk about flag lapel pins. Now that's important.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 04/17/2008
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Your talking to stone walls fortuna. I have been trying to get them to discuss Hil-LIAR-y's plan of Blanket Security & Massive Retalliation but only a limited handful are participating , every conversation is about Pins , Wright or Bitterness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 04/17/2008

Right on the mark fortunna, my neighbor whos been to bagdad twice would love these issuses addressed, Unfortunely ABC and HRC would rather drag this caimpaign into the mud by addressing flag pins, which by the way HRC gets a free pass on!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 04/17/2008
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Roughly less than 1 in 4 soldiers are depressed? Somehow this is Bush’s fault I am guessing. Being separated from the opposite sex or wondering if your wife is not faithful might also have something to do with this? Maybe some other economic factors like rising food costs, home payment issues, and tight lending practices also might be involved. How many servicemen were depressed in WWII? Nice factoid but anything from that no audience network is suspect of spinning the anti Bush agenda. How would that softball question be framed for the candidates who agree on brining the troop’s home to make them feel better? Hannitys question was a good one, do we want our President to be cozy with a unrepentant bombing terrorist? Aires has supported BHO by throwing event(s?) in the past. So he only bombed 40 years ago, the same might also be said for Arafat and Castro. Former terrorist is like military intelligence, not much sense there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 04/17/2008
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I was in military intelligence, and I've got lots of sense. Especially enough sense to disregard HRC/Dukes of Hazard fans who call people "Aires", as opposed to their actual names..."Ayers". Interesting side note, other than Bill Clinton pardoning Mr. Ayers fellow "bomb making terrorists", is ........if he was such a "terrorist", why is he not in a supermax Federal prison right now, as opposed to teaching on a college campus? The "not much sense there" more aptly applies to people who make pointless statements on the basis of bigotry and emotion, not on actual facts. Get with the program, HRC fanatics....it's already over. The kitchen sink, hot tub, fixtures, and chandelier have all been thrown, but to no avail. It's a wrap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 04/19/2008
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McCain the patriot hasn't done anything for the soldiers and won't get behind the GI bill. Fake Patriot, corporate sell out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 04/17/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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This should be shouted from the rooftops until November. McBomb wants to keep you fighting, and when you're done, eff off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 04/17/2008

Everyone calm down, there is no way she will get the nomination, period. Let the media and Hillary "petty" camp destroy themselves, what they don't realize yet is that the nation has wised up over the last 15 years and we can see through media spin and pundits because frankly we're "IN TOUCH"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 04/17/2008
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Oops looks like the Obama/Media whores, love fest is over. The media cheered him in the beginning they covered his ass on Rezko, and the Rev. Wright, because they wanted a loser for November. Now the media is pounding on Obama so that they can have him nice and tender for McCain. Looks like it going to be four more years of Bush and the Obamaholics have helped to make it happen!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 04/17/2008
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You poor pitiful hater you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 04/17/2008
- Mattatat I'm a Fan of Mattatat 5 fans permalink

Yup. I used to think Obama '08 = Jimmy Carter '76, now it's

Obama '08 = Dukakis '88

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 04/17/2008

Please let ABC know what a joke the debate was!

Call the Switch Board: 212-456-7777 and Ask for the Voicemail of George Stephanopoulos Directly.

Also: dial 818-460-7477 press 2 then 6 then 639

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 04/17/2008

Thank you. I'm passing these numbers on to others immediately.

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Thank You for posting these numbers.I called all of them and expressed my outrage of their "news coverage."Also thank you guys on this site for being real AMERICANS.PEACE

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 04/17/2008
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this reminds me of obama supporters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDJfsCznujw ( this is just a funny clip from SNL )

bunch of terrorist trying to hijack democracy,
keep on trying to buy your democracy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 04/17/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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If anyone is "buying" anything it's the Clintons and everyone on earth know it. You should try making an argument that doesn't make your queen look even worse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 04/17/2008

Looks like abc news is getting pummeled on their site. Aside from a few Hillary supporters who think the debate was "fair", looks like more than 90% of the posters were outraged. I for one, will not watch ABC again

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 04/17/2008

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/comments?type=story&id=4666956

I really liked this one
"I'm a Republican and my sympathy is now with Obama. He showed me his true strength in not turning and attacking Hillary or those so-called moderators. This man has the fortitude to deal directly with confrontation and he reflects the type of TRUE LEADER we need for this country. Thanks for helping me make up my mind ABC.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 04/17/2008

A few things about this debate

As an Obama supporter i LOVED it---- it's just confirmation that Obama IS the democratic nominee. There was nothing on "why should Hillary be the nominee," only "why shouldn't it be Obama." He did not perform as well as he has in the past, but who could have when being peppered with those type of ridiculous questions? Nor did he "blow up" which is Hillary's only shot at this point......

What the media/right wing/stereotypical politicians dont get, is---- WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THESE TYPES OF POLITICS! How does a lapel pin affect my life? How does "knowing" a guy who did bad things so long ago affect me? The American public sees an economy in shambles, a war without goals are even a definition of victory, The Constitution has been shredded, incompetence and cronyism, and they think that lapel pins are going to sway the election? Puh-leeze. Just take a look at the polls, these "gotcha" issues are no longer resonating with the American public. Rove-ism is dead, and I couldn't be happier about it.........Notice how Hillary couldn't wait to bring up Farrakhan.....Yet Obama kept his mouth shut when Bosnia was brought up. Hey Rush, you want to know what "change" means? Well that's it right there. This election will be decided by the most well-informed voters in the history of this country and they care about stuff that'll actually, I dunno........affect them.

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