Clinton emphatically says Obama can win White House

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BETH FOUHY | April 16, 2008 11:17 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., right, shakes hands with Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y. at the conclusion of their debate at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, Wednesday April 16, 2008. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)

PHILADELPHIA — Hillary Rodham Clinton said emphatically Wednesday night that Barack Obama can win the White House this fall, undercutting her efforts to deny him the Democratic presidential nomination by suggesting he would lead the party to defeat.

"Yes, yes, yes," she said when pressed about Obama's electability during a campaign debate six days before the Pennsylvania primary.

Asked a similar question about Clinton, Obama said "Absolutely and I've said so before" _ a not-so-subtle dig at his rival who had previously declined to make a similar statement about him.

In a 90-minute debate, both rivals pledged not to raise taxes on individuals making less than $200,000, and said they would respond forcefully if Iran obtains nuclear weapons and uses them against Israel.

"An attack on Israel would incur massive retaliation by the United States," said Clinton.

Obama said, "The U.S. would take appropriate action."

They differed over Social Security when Obama said he favored raising payroll taxes on higher-income individuals. Clinton said she was opposed, her rival quickly cut in and countered that she had said earlier in the campaign she was open to the idea.

Under current law, workers must pay the payroll tax on their first $102,000 in wages. Obama generally has expressed support for a plan to reimpose the tax beginning at a level of $200,000 or more.

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The debate was the 21st of the campaign for the nomination, an epic struggle that could last weeks or even months longer.

Pennsylvania, with 158 delegates at stake, is a must-win contest for Clinton, who leads in the polls and hopes for a strong victory to propel her through the other states that vote before the primary season ends on June 3.

Obama leads in the delegate chase, 1,643-1,504, with 2,025 needed for the nomination. And despite a recent gaffe, he picked up endorsements during the day from three superdelegates from a pair of states with primaries on May 6 _ Reps. Andre Carson of Indiana and Mel Watt and David Price of North Carolina.

After primaries and caucuses in 42 of the 50 states, Obama leads his rival in convention delegates, popular votes and states won. She is struggling to stop his drive on the nomination by appealing to party leaders who will attend the convention as superdelegates that he will preside over an electoral defeat at a moment of great opportunity after eight years of Republican rule.

The former first lady has never denied published reports that she once told New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson that Obama couldn't win when he called to tell her he would be endorsing the Illinois senator.

And at a news conference earlier this month in California, Clinton sidestepped when asked directly whether Obama would win if he were the Democratic nominee. "I am sure we will have a united Democratic Party. I will do everything possible to make sure we can win and I am confident we will have a Democrat in the White House next year," she said at the time.

Asked a similar question at the debate, she provided a similar answer at first. "I think we have to beat John McCain and I have every reason to believe we're going to have a Democratic president and it's going to be Barack or me."

Pressed by George Stephanopoulos of ABC News to answer the question directly, she said, "Yes, yes, yes ... Now I think I can do a better job."

In a debate that moved swiftly between politics and policy, Clinton issued a first-ever public apology for having claimed erroneously that she landed in Bosnia under sniper fire in 1996 as first lady.

"I may be a lot of things but I am not dumb," she said, adding that she had written in her book that there had been no gunfire during the episode. She said she was embarrassed by her error. "I'm sorry I said it," she added.

She previously had explained her incorrect comments by saying she had misspoken.

Obama later erred by saying he had never favored a ban on handguns even though as a state Senate candidate in 1996 he filled out a questionnaire from an Illinois voter group saying he would support such a ban.

"My writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire ... as I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns," Obama said, even though his handwritten notes did appear on its front page. The reponse to the question about guns was typed.

Obama had more explaining to do moments later, when he was asked about his controversial comment that small town Americans become bitter because of economic adversity, and "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them" as a result.

He said he was attempting to say that because voters feel ignored by government, "they end up being much more concerned about votes around things like guns where traditions have been passed on from generation to generation. And those are incredibly important to them."

"People don't cling to their traditions on hunting and guns" out of frustration with their government, Clinton said. She added that Obama had a fundamental misunderstanding on the role of religion and faith.

Both Obama and Clinton sidestepped when asked if they would place their rival on the ticket as vice presidential running mate in the fall.

"I think very highly of Senator Clinton's record, but I think it is premature at this point to talk about who the vice presidential candidates will be because we're still trying to determine who the nominee will be," Obama said.

Clinton was similarly noncommittal. "I'm going to do everything I possibly can to make sure that one of us takes the oath of office next January. I think that has to be the overriding goal," she said.

Neither rival was willing to say they would ask President Bush to serve in any capacity after he leaves office. Obama volunteered he would be "more likely to ask the advice of the current president's father. He said, that as president, George H. W. Bush had presided over a "wise foreign policy" at the time the Cold War was ending.

ABC News sponsored and televised the debate, with Charles Gibson and Stephanopoulos moderating.

PHILADELPHIA — Hillary Rodham Clinton said emphatically Wednesday night that Barack Obama can win the White House this fall, undercutting her efforts to deny him the Democratic presidential nomi...
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Peter Paul vs Clinton 4-25-08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 04/17/2008

Good One....

Largest campaign finance fraud case in U.S. history.....

Go Clinton's...no, really; GO...RUN !!!!

haha

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 04/17/2008
- Roshi98 I'm a Fan of Roshi98 10 fans permalink
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Except this story has been to be a complete and utter fraud, go ahead, run with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 04/17/2008

Gotcha.

I put this very prophetic quote up from the League of Women Voters in a post that was just deleted from the board for some reason?????

"The League of Women Voters is withdrawing sponsorship of the presidential debates ... because the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter. It has become clear to us that the candidates' organizations aim to add debates to their list of campaign-trail charades devoid of substance, spontaneity and answers to tough questions. The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public."

I'm not sure that ranting and raving at ABC is the right move. Look at the big picture.
We are all being played and conned, do you think?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 04/17/2008
- haboob I'm a Fan of haboob 3 fans permalink

yes always

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 04/17/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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Good quote. I don't think it got deleted. Buried, perhaps.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 04/17/2008
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"Massive Retaliation" (against Iran) welcome to Hillary Clinton's War

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 04/17/2008
- JoJoKewl I'm a Fan of JoJoKewl 32 fans permalink

President McCain - that's all that's left to say people. It's gonna be bad, but it's gonna happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 04/17/2008
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eat your vegetables and do your homework

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 04/17/2008
- marinade I'm a Fan of marinade 48 fans permalink

No way, McCain doesn't wear the American flag lapel pin!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 04/17/2008
- CarlsV I'm a Fan of CarlsV 12 fans permalink

No!

No it's not!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 04/17/2008

Did you this spoof? it’s really funny it’s about the media Guff

http://www.indecision2008.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=166074

Hillary in her own words, pouncing on her words
http://youtube.com/watch?v=exsmFDYyK4U

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 04/17/2008
- SickOfSpin I'm a Fan of SickOfSpin 3 fans permalink
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amanda08--OMG!! Hillary in her own words, pouncing on her words...I LOVE it!! I hadn't seen it before and you can rest assured that the link is hurtling through cyberspace as I write, being sent to every single person in my address book! EVERYONE should take a peek at this one! Thanks for sharing the link with us!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 04/17/2008
- mishte I'm a Fan of mishte 6 fans permalink

Can someone tell me how the H3LL Stephanopoulos could bring up the Ayres insinuation without a whisper confronting Clinton about her very real, very significant connection to terrorist organizations, and her use of them for political leverage (votes)?

Please read this very important article, written last month by Debra Burlingame, daughter of the pilot of AA flight 77, which crashed on Sept 11, 2001 (here's the link and title, date and site if the link doesn't work):

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120277819085260827.html

The Clintons' Terror Pardons
by Debra Burlingame,
February 12, 2008.
Wall Street Journal Online

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 04/17/2008

It says BILL CLINTON, NOT HILLARY.. if you want to read something read this? bet ya won't
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 04/17/2008
- wyorange I'm a Fan of wyorange 6 fans permalink

Have to admit that I am not all that up-to-date on how or why presidents issue pardons, but in relation to Ayres and the two members of his group who were pardoned by Pres. Clinton as I understand it the two pardoned member had in fact served time in prison. Might even be likely, or possible, that those two did express some remorse at what they had done. In Ayres case it appears he never spent any time in prison although he admitted to having bombed buildings, etc. and in stead of expressing any remorse comes out and says something to the effect, "we did not bomb enough places."

Do find it interesting that Sen. Obama relies on his having lived in Indonesia (think from 6 thorugh 10) as a basis for his better judgment on foreign affairs but then tries to disassociate himself from using that same "good judgment" because he was 8 at the time the bombs were being set . Looks a little like selective judgment on his part; i.e., or maybe just what might sell the best at that time depending upon what kind of question he is trying to answer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 04/17/2008

I've never understood why he's bragging about bombing and yet isn't charged.

It is one of those kind of stories where the facts haven't yet emerged.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 04/17/2008
- mishte I'm a Fan of mishte 6 fans permalink

If you read the article, you will understand why it is very significant to Hillary. It poses some questions that are worth looking at. Then, be my guest, dismiss it as being irrelevant and baseless if you like. If you've made up your mind already, so be it.

This also goes to one argument that is woefully misunderstood, and that is that Hillary is somehow "vetted", just because she's been involved in so many controversies.

She is extremely unforthcoming when push comes to shove, and just because we know her husband's sexual deviances does not mean that she has clarified who she is and what she has done.

She seems to do more stalling and distracting than anything else when confronted with real questions, leaving us with the sense that whatever it is has been thoroughly examined because its been in the news for so long.

If you think about it, nothing is ever answered, Clinton never actually demonstrates her claims. Its very clever and (I think) very dangerous in a public official whom we entrust with our most important national issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 04/17/2008
- Veman I'm a Fan of Veman 61 fans permalink
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I'd offer Obama the following, tried and true, advice - A "self-vetting", of sorts, in the form of a mailer that addresses any potential "distractions", once and for all. When, in a given trial, your faced with an issue(s) that you know is going to be damaging to your client, you tackle it head-on, before the other side does. That allows you to do three important things, it: (1) demonstrates your honesty and engenders bona fides with your jury, (2) enables you to couch the issue in terms that are most favorable to your client, (3) most importantly, takes the wind out of your opponent's sail by depriving them of their "gotcha" moment.

The biggest downside to this tactic is the possibility of your addressing an issue that your opponent had no intention of surfacing or no knowledge of to begin with. I realize that it's too late for Obama to beat his opponents to the punch because much of his "dirty laundry" is already circulating out there. However, this fact is an advantage in that it lessens the biggest downside his using this tactic.

I think such a mailer would serve him well. In fact, if he were to release one now, he could refer BACK (i.e. "this is old news that I've already addressed in writing, or didn't you get the mailer?") to it anytime the GOP machine try to undercut him in the run up to November. "Now, let's debate the issues, please!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 04/17/2008
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I thought about that. That Obama should have got on TV before the debate and lay the Ayer's issue on the table.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 04/17/2008
- wyorange I'm a Fan of wyorange 6 fans permalink

Really are quite a few things that Sen. Obama should have laid out to the American people quite some time ago (not just before a debate): Rezko, Wright, Ayres, Auchi, Exelon to name a few.

Afraid we will see more on these individuals creeping out slowing over the next several months. I too believe it is better to have attacked the potential issues of character associations before your opponent or the media start getting their claws into those issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 04/17/2008

Possibly, but his attempts to put down the debate as "politics as usual" didn't work last night. He ended up simply appearing as though he'd like to not discuss the question.

In fact, he did dodge the actual questions.

He just appeared, to me, to be someone who expects to talk circles and so confuse people that they drop the question.

Last night, ABC didn't play the game HIS way. They were more penetrating than in the past.

And he wasn't prepared.

He can learn. He better.

Nevermind the Republicans, this type of dodging isn't true leadership. He'll be a weak president if he doesn't learn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 04/17/2008
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It's interesting how you call tabloid journalism that has no relevance to the issues, "penetrating". "Who's more patriotic, you or the Reverend Wright?" "Does the Reverend Wright love America?" "Why don't you wear a flagpin?"

I supposed you wanted to know if he also has a yellow bumper magnet on his car...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 04/17/2008
- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

I am sorry, but "penetrating"? In my view, it was the shallowest thing I've ever seen. I must have missed something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 04/17/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 237 fans permalink
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Charlie: Sen. Obama in the interest of national security, do you......wear boxers or briefs?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 04/17/2008

Apparently others do not share your opinion that his response "didn't work." This morning, AFTER THE DEBATE, another major Pennsylvania Newspaper endorsed Senator Obama. Many Pennsylvanians, prominent organizations, and Americans in general have publicly expressed outrage at the scurrilous "politics as usual" questions that the moderators pummeled Senator Obama with, and at Senator Clinton's attempts to exploit these questions to her advantage. Senator Obama was very prepared for the issue-questions. He wasn't prepared for the personal attack questions that were based on nothing more than innuendo and gossip. Senator Obama has more integrity than any presidential candidate or President that we've had the opportunity to witness in decades. We're so used to "politics as usual," even in our Presidents, that it has become the norm. But, with Senator Obama, we can now start getting used to a President with character, experience, a vision, and a plan to reclaim our democracy and our rightful place in the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 04/17/2008
- IRIE I'm a Fan of IRIE 6 fans permalink

OK, this is absolutely the last time I post on this subject. … BUT the idea that Hillary is a very accomplished person because she was a star at Yale Law School, got involved in a few minor Washington issues, and had a decent career at the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock before becoming a full-time presidential spouse just doesn’t hold water. Lots of people are impressive in their 20s; lots of people are top lawyers in small cities; lots of people have loads of unrealized potential; and none of them would be considered a qualified Senate candidate, let alone a presidential candidate. Hillary may be good at a lot of things, she may be terrifically competent, even brilliant–and for all I know a great president. But that doesn’t change the fact that her standing as a national political figure is derived solely from her marriage, and from nothing else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 04/17/2008
- wyorange I'm a Fan of wyorange 6 fans permalink

You are probably pretty much correct, although I do think she has been involved in causes for quite some time but not on a really national level.

Using the same type argument, we can say that Sen. Obama's "standing as a national political figure is derived" solely from his anti-Iraq war speech (think given in 2002).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 04/17/2008
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Gibson: Senator Obama, Senator Clinton and millions of others have suggested that you have not been fully vetted, or at least not to the extent that she has been, what do you say to the millions of voters who believe that you may have ties to Muslim groups that are hostile to the United States of America?

Obama: I would say that they are patently false and not particularly worthy of even that response.

Gibson: So you don't emphatic deny that it could be true, that you are in some way sympathetic to terrorist organizations?

Obama: I never said that Charlie...

Stephanopoulos: We have dozens of witnesses who are will to come forth and testify that you attended terrorist training camps in the fall of 1998, why won't you answer these well founded charges?

Obama: As I was about to say, I...

Gibson: Well senator apparently you are unwilling to answer this question directly so we'll move on to another relevant topic, if elected to the office of president of the United States, on the day of your inauguration, will you place your hand on a Bible or a Koran?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 04/17/2008

nail on the head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 04/17/2008
- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

Hell was created for people like Gibson.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 04/17/2008

OK, I've heard a lot of heated rhetoric about last night's debate and I agree with much of it. The questions is: What are we going to do about it?

I suggest that we take some definitive and progressive action by organizing a boycott of ABC and its sponsors until we get a specific response to our grievances. Here are a few steps we can take:

1. Outline a set of grievances (3 or 4) and specific actions we want ABC to take.

2. Create and Coordinate a web site that will aggregate information on ABC sponsorships and effective and legal means to boycott them.

3. Create an online resource to promote direct competitors of ABC sponsors.

4. Your ideas....

I am willing to donate my web hosting and web design services. Anyone else open to join the coalition of the willing?

If there are sufficient responses I will create a temporary site where we can coordinate our efforts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 04/17/2008
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Count me in. Definitely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 04/17/2008

Absolutely. There's already a movement underway at dailykos. You might want to check that out if you're not on there already -- I think if we all get together we can really apply some pressure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 04/17/2008

Thanks for your and other like-minded responses.

I will try to find it. Do you have a link? In either case I will go ahead and create a starter page and post a link to this thread or some other appropriate thread. Alternately you can check out my profile in the next few days for more information on next steps.

Stay tuned...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 04/17/2008
- SickOfSpin I'm a Fan of SickOfSpin 3 fans permalink
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thinkb4uleap...unfortunately, your post has been relegated to the pages beyond the first so many bloggers won't see it I fear. I, too, was enraged by the debacle last night and you can count me in, should you find that you have enough response to coordinate efforts...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 04/17/2008
- haboob I'm a Fan of haboob 3 fans permalink

if abc tells you they will just go back to bashing the clintons will that suffice ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 04/17/2008
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Don'tcha wonder what Gibson and Stephanopoulos think when they're in the bathroom looking into the mirror and no one else is around? After that sorry excuse for a "debate" they MUST know deep down that any journalistic integrity either might have had was flushed down the toilet and all that's left are two pathetic hacks.

They should figure out how to bottle whatever it is that helps them still grin after revealing themselves as the sorry excuses for journalists that they so obviously are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 04/17/2008

they were too busy getting blown by bill clinton

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 04/17/2008
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 04/17/2008
- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

I don't how reliable the PPP is. BeyondGoodAndEvil might know----where is he/she?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 04/17/2008
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Polls aren't reliable in general, but often reveal trends. There were only 1095 people surveyed in that poll. This isn't the first PPP poll that has shown Obama and Clinton in a statistical tie. What we do know is that the polls have shown Clinton's lead diminishing and that trend should continue until the ballots are cast.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 04/17/2008
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They've been remarkably accurate of the course of the primary season.

I still go to RCP for their averages, though---I like a broader picture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 04/17/2008
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I turned it off after the question about flag lapel pins.

I mean really....are you unpatriotic if you don't wear one? If that's the case, then I live in a city full of communists, because I go entire MONTHS without ever seeing one. How the hell is whether a person is going to wear a cheap 2 dollar pin they bought from 7-11 on their lapel a campaign issue? Anyone who is going to think less of a candidate because they won't wear a 1/4" flag at all times has more serious personal issues they need to deal with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 04/17/2008
- jaschrod I'm a Fan of jaschrod 22 fans permalink

I think we should fly the fag upside down, and at half mast until the Republicans are out of office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 04/17/2008
- BigLib I'm a Fan of BigLib 18 fans permalink

If there’s any significance to the flag-pin idiocy, it has to do not with Obama’s patriotism but with his elitism. He’s just the type of self-important tool who’d stoop to a petty statement like this. Speaking out against the war isn’t enough; attending rallies or donating to anti-war groups is insufficient. The average war opponent may content himself with that, but if there’s one thing Barack Obama isn’t, it’s average, and don’t you forget it. Not for this intellectual the trappings of rote, tinny patriotism. Hey, Barry? Next time, why not wear a pin that reads, “Ask me about the pin I’m not wearing!”?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 04/17/2008
- apoyo I'm a Fan of apoyo 41 fans permalink

Everyone this woman mentioned: servicemen ,EMS, police, wear a uniform that they themselves did not design. The flag they wear is not an accessory, it is part of the uniform.

Scary to think this is a person who has a voice in everyone's future. She doesn't have the mental acuity to realize that her choice is down to 3 candidates, neither of whom wear a flag pin.

Talk about dense!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 04/17/2008

The Republican Party, from Bush on down, wear their flag pins consistently; yet, they are also the ones who illegally and immorally invaded a sovereign nation, sent our children to die in a war that never should have been and that has no end, trashed our constitution, destroyed the middle class, polarized the country as it has not been divided since the Civil War, and were engaged in more deception, corruption, and scandal than we have witnessed in any previous administration. These are the PATRIOTS who wear flag pins and place their hands over their hearts during the playing of the National Anthem. The flag pin is no more an indicator of patriotism than standing on one's head, and after the last eight years, it's frightening to think that there are still Americans who see a cheap lapel pin as a sign of one's love for America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 04/17/2008
- Quipman I'm a Fan of Quipman 8 fans permalink

Ill keep it simple, Hillary Clinton's dog and phony show is wearing thin on everyone here in Pennsylvania. Toss in the 4th grade performances by the two ABC anchors last night it might of been just enough to tip the scale Obama's way because people and the state of Pennsylvania have never recovered from the election of Ronald Reagan and I have a feeling we might just wake up Tuesday. The polls are not always what they appear to be remember you heard it from me first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 04/17/2008
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Glad there are free thinkers out there in PA. Send the message on Tues!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 04/17/2008
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