Clinton emphatically says Obama can win White House

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BETH FOUHY | April 16, 2008 11:17 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., right, shakes hands with Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y. at the conclusion of their debate at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, Wednesday April 16, 2008. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)

PHILADELPHIA — Hillary Rodham Clinton said emphatically Wednesday night that Barack Obama can win the White House this fall, undercutting her efforts to deny him the Democratic presidential nomination by suggesting he would lead the party to defeat.

"Yes, yes, yes," she said when pressed about Obama's electability during a campaign debate six days before the Pennsylvania primary.

Asked a similar question about Clinton, Obama said "Absolutely and I've said so before" _ a not-so-subtle dig at his rival who had previously declined to make a similar statement about him.

In a 90-minute debate, both rivals pledged not to raise taxes on individuals making less than $200,000, and said they would respond forcefully if Iran obtains nuclear weapons and uses them against Israel.

"An attack on Israel would incur massive retaliation by the United States," said Clinton.

Obama said, "The U.S. would take appropriate action."

They differed over Social Security when Obama said he favored raising payroll taxes on higher-income individuals. Clinton said she was opposed, her rival quickly cut in and countered that she had said earlier in the campaign she was open to the idea.

Under current law, workers must pay the payroll tax on their first $102,000 in wages. Obama generally has expressed support for a plan to reimpose the tax beginning at a level of $200,000 or more.

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The debate was the 21st of the campaign for the nomination, an epic struggle that could last weeks or even months longer.

Pennsylvania, with 158 delegates at stake, is a must-win contest for Clinton, who leads in the polls and hopes for a strong victory to propel her through the other states that vote before the primary season ends on June 3.

Obama leads in the delegate chase, 1,643-1,504, with 2,025 needed for the nomination. And despite a recent gaffe, he picked up endorsements during the day from three superdelegates from a pair of states with primaries on May 6 _ Reps. Andre Carson of Indiana and Mel Watt and David Price of North Carolina.

After primaries and caucuses in 42 of the 50 states, Obama leads his rival in convention delegates, popular votes and states won. She is struggling to stop his drive on the nomination by appealing to party leaders who will attend the convention as superdelegates that he will preside over an electoral defeat at a moment of great opportunity after eight years of Republican rule.

The former first lady has never denied published reports that she once told New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson that Obama couldn't win when he called to tell her he would be endorsing the Illinois senator.

And at a news conference earlier this month in California, Clinton sidestepped when asked directly whether Obama would win if he were the Democratic nominee. "I am sure we will have a united Democratic Party. I will do everything possible to make sure we can win and I am confident we will have a Democrat in the White House next year," she said at the time.

Asked a similar question at the debate, she provided a similar answer at first. "I think we have to beat John McCain and I have every reason to believe we're going to have a Democratic president and it's going to be Barack or me."

Pressed by George Stephanopoulos of ABC News to answer the question directly, she said, "Yes, yes, yes ... Now I think I can do a better job."

In a debate that moved swiftly between politics and policy, Clinton issued a first-ever public apology for having claimed erroneously that she landed in Bosnia under sniper fire in 1996 as first lady.

"I may be a lot of things but I am not dumb," she said, adding that she had written in her book that there had been no gunfire during the episode. She said she was embarrassed by her error. "I'm sorry I said it," she added.

She previously had explained her incorrect comments by saying she had misspoken.

Obama later erred by saying he had never favored a ban on handguns even though as a state Senate candidate in 1996 he filled out a questionnaire from an Illinois voter group saying he would support such a ban.

"My writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire ... as I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns," Obama said, even though his handwritten notes did appear on its front page. The reponse to the question about guns was typed.

Obama had more explaining to do moments later, when he was asked about his controversial comment that small town Americans become bitter because of economic adversity, and "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them" as a result.

He said he was attempting to say that because voters feel ignored by government, "they end up being much more concerned about votes around things like guns where traditions have been passed on from generation to generation. And those are incredibly important to them."

"People don't cling to their traditions on hunting and guns" out of frustration with their government, Clinton said. She added that Obama had a fundamental misunderstanding on the role of religion and faith.

Both Obama and Clinton sidestepped when asked if they would place their rival on the ticket as vice presidential running mate in the fall.

"I think very highly of Senator Clinton's record, but I think it is premature at this point to talk about who the vice presidential candidates will be because we're still trying to determine who the nominee will be," Obama said.

Clinton was similarly noncommittal. "I'm going to do everything I possibly can to make sure that one of us takes the oath of office next January. I think that has to be the overriding goal," she said.

Neither rival was willing to say they would ask President Bush to serve in any capacity after he leaves office. Obama volunteered he would be "more likely to ask the advice of the current president's father. He said, that as president, George H. W. Bush had presided over a "wise foreign policy" at the time the Cold War was ending.

ABC News sponsored and televised the debate, with Charles Gibson and Stephanopoulos moderating.

PHILADELPHIA — Hillary Rodham Clinton said emphatically Wednesday night that Barack Obama can win the White House this fall, undercutting her efforts to deny him the Democratic presidential nomi...
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An Omen?

Perhaps HRC's campaign told her to got for the jugular last night because their internal polls already told them what the latest PPP poll is saying today:

Barack had surpassed her in PA.

PPP (D) 04/14 - 04/15 1095 LV 42 45 Obama +3.0

Yet, here's where I'm confused? If HRC's internal pollsters knew that HRC's negative attacks were already hurtung her in PA, why in the hell use "the same flawed startegy" in a prime time debate, only to have to acknowledge later (when pressed), that she believes Senator Obama would beat McCain... Huh?

The only thing I can see is they were hoping for Barack to eother lose his cool and attack her, or somehow blow up at the mods... Neither happen.

Now HRC's only substantive argument to the super delegates (he can't win) is a myth... So where do we go from here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 04/17/2008
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I think the staff of HRC and HRC her own self have illistrated, over and over and over, that they are operating at an intellectual deficit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 04/17/2008

Did I forget to Thank Hillary for her endorsement OF SENATOR OBAMA
YES, YES, YES he can WIN!!!

I guess this means he just picked up another Super Delegate!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 04/17/2008
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Just so we're clear, everyone realizes that most of the "bashers" in here are right wingers? They plant divisive posts both ways to get us to bark at each other, we should be smarter than that

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 04/17/2008
- Aywaller I'm a Fan of Aywaller 5 fans permalink
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I've long suspected as much but it's just hard not to respond to such idiotic remarks. I'll try to do better from now on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 04/17/2008
- tene I'm a Fan of tene permalink
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yeah, youre probably right. thanks for the heads up/reminder. :-)

G O B A M A '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 04/17/2008

Its tough because most of that crap is so ridiculous, derogatory, slanderous, hateful, full of s--- etc...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 04/17/2008
- fignozzle I'm a Fan of fignozzle 15 fans permalink
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Here's the real math behind Clinton's continued campaign: 60 plus 4 = 64. Clinton's 60 years old. She knows she won't get the nomination, or the Presidency, eight years from now when she's 68 (only 3 years younger than McCain is now). But she can get it in 2012, when she's only 64 - unless Obama's already in the White House, in which case he'll almost certainly be renominated. If Obama wins this election, Clinton will never be President. If he loses, Clinton gets another shot. So Clinton strings this thing out - and does everything she can to pull Obama down - while Republican strategists cheer her on, not because she realistically believes she can win in '08, but to preserve her shot at '12.

M.S. Bellows, Jr.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 04/17/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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Will you still need me? Will you still feed me? When I'm sixty-four...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 04/17/2008
- ornery I'm a Fan of ornery 7 fans permalink

You are correct.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 04/17/2008
- wyorange I'm a Fan of wyorange 6 fans permalink

Like all this speculation; i.e., Sen. Clinton not being able to run until 2012 if Obama is the nominee because he would certainly get renominated. Better to be more concerned about getting your candidate elected to start with before projecting what might be in the future. It is possible for a candidate to get elected and people to be so upset with what he/she has done that the party will not renominate him/her again. Wellkeep dreaming and hoping!
Well, enough nonesense, time to get something more serious accomplished. Want to thank posters for ABC numbers. Will call thanking them for what I consider the best debate so far. Adressed I have been concerned about. Would like to have seen a little of Rezko and Auchi worked into questions to Obama and more fleshing out of Sen. Clinton's security umbrella. Anyway was a good debate, but then I am a registered republican supporting Sen. Clinton and will be voting for Sen. McCain if she is not the democratic party's nominee.
Been a few weeks since was on HuffPost. See things are still the same old anti-Clinton hatred and name calling. May check in again in a few weeks if Clinton is still in the race otherwise maybe when the general starts and the republican machine has really gotten cranked up (that is when it will really be interesting to see whether Sen. Obama (if he is the nominee) can keep is "cool" and "stay in control".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 04/17/2008

Did I forget to Thank Hillary for her endorsement OF SENATOR OBAMA YES, YES, YES he can WIN!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 04/17/2008
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QUESTIONS LIKE WEARING A FLAG-PIN ARE JUST DIVERTING ATTENTION FROM THINGS NEO CONS DONT WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT, LIKE THE IRAQ QUAGMIRE AND THE ECONOMIC MESS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 04/17/2008
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How often do you see the moderator debates the candidates. On the premises of being tough they just made themselves look like asses in the hire of somebody who is very unfavorable to Obama. Might be the Clintons or it might be the Republicans who knows. But yestersday was not at all fair to Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 04/17/2008

Given the "critical" correlation between ones patriotism and ability to govern, and wearing an American Flag lapel pin, how could such "accomplished" ABC journalists as "George" and "Charlie" have failed to notice that Hillary Clinton was not wearing a flap pin either?

Does this mean the Democrats are doomed. ... and McCain is the only truly electable candidate?

Or is George just angling for andother stint in another "clinton" administration?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 04/17/2008

Right on Pammeltz, If this so-called debate was as unjust toward hillary as it was to Obama, Her supporters would probably be fire bombing ABC by now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 04/17/2008

I did an eye roll at the very first question. Will you be running mates? Gimme a break! Anyone following this thing for any amount of time knows it ain't gonna happen and at the very, very least the candidates are NOT going to announce it at a debate. That asinine question set the tone for the whole excrutiating debate. The questions were NOT tough, they were stupid! Clinton played right into their hands and Obama did his best not to roll his eyes and answer the same old crap again. Of course this is the same old crap that the GOP are going to roll out come the general so I'm not upset about it. Obama showed how he's going to out-class all the divisive old style crap and win on the issues. The only time Hillary redeemed herself was when she admitted to lying, when she admitted Obama can win the general and when she started sounding like Obama re: unification.

I'm an Obama supporter with thicker skin than most I guess. I wasn't the least bit offended by any of it. WHAT DID YOU ALL EXPECT? A rational discussion of the issues? Ahahaha. From here on out it's about fluff and Obama rises above fluff with ease.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 04/17/2008
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Where was Hillary's flag lapel pin?

If we are going to make this election about lapel pins shouldn't we make an issue about Hillary's lack of a pin, and can we then interpret that to mean she is not patriotic?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 04/17/2008
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It's on her thong!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 04/17/2008
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Can I ask the moderators where my post went? There's nothing wrong with what I've written - according to your own posting rules - but for some reason my posts wind up in limbo. Why is that?

Anybody?

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 04/17/2008
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If we don't see Obama as our next President

we can conclude that we have lost America.

The MIC wants US to choose between an

old war whore & an even older war horse,

and that is NO Democratic choice at all!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 04/17/2008
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Hillary tells Obama that if your preacher does something " wrong " , you should leave him. Apparently that doesn't apply to husbands.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 04/17/2008
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Or political strategists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 04/17/2008
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Hush ... I'm watching the 700 club.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 04/17/2008
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Amen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 04/17/2008

That is just so wrong as a comparison. So, so wrong.

Talk about getting into the gutter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 04/17/2008
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flag pins? 36 American troops have died since March 24, bring the total to 4,036. 36 in one month!
Not to mention wounded, troops in Afganistan, and Iraqis.But I guess thats MSN plan-not to mention.

Can we sue ABC for contempt? Thats what I feel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 04/17/2008

Plus the fact that Hillary doesn't wear a flag pin and gets a complete free pass! If the shoe was on the other foot and Hillary was asked why she didn't wear the flag pin and Obama got the pass, the Clintonites would be going ape-sh#t!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 04/17/2008

The fact is that these small symbols mean a lot to some people. That's a simple gesture, easy enough to solve. Why doesn't he just do it?

Why allow that to be an issue?

Hillary, in Arkansas, took heat over her hair-do. Yes, people didn't like her hair-bands.

She just changed her hair-do. For heaven's sakes, if it's not important, then why offend people?

Put on the flipping pin.

He's a bit stubborn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 04/17/2008
- wyorange I'm a Fan of wyorange 6 fans permalink

As long as Hillary did not have to pay a few hundred dollars to change her hair-do guess that was the easiest way to handle the situation. But if she paid more than the going rate, we better be bringing that up as a campaign issue!

"He's a bit stubborn." Well, seems to fit right in; party symbol is a jackass!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 04/17/2008
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Hillary Clinton was fired for allegedly colluding with Kennedys to protect JFK legacy
April 7, 2008
By Worldnet Daily


Zeifman told the columnist he fired Clinton because she was a liar.

"She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer," Zeifman said. "She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality."


Polk regarded Clinton's memo as dishonest because it tried to pretend the Douglas precedent didn't exist. But, unlike Zeifman, he considered it more stupid than sinister.

"Hillary should have mentioned [the Douglas case] and then tried to argue whether that was a change of policy or not instead of just ignoring it and taking the precedent out of the opinion," Polk told Calabrese.

But Zeifman argues that if Clinton, Marshall, Nussbaum and Doar had succeeded, House Judiciary members also would have been denied the right to cross-examine witnesses and denied the opportunity to even participate in the drafting of articles of impeachment against Nixon.


Polk remembered some Democrat committee members, as well as nearly all the Republicans, were upset at the attempt to deny counsel to Nixon.

"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 04/17/2008

Anyway, while we are all distracted with this and future exaggerations about weather underground links, the Canadians are reporting all over their airwaves about the "official" letters from Clinton about NAFTA in which she wrote that things have been said during the debates and will get said during the campaign that are "not binding". She did the nod and the wink but American media sold it to you as Obama because the American psyche has a predilection of fear and loathing for Black people so ingrained that logic, truth, and facts won't get in the way of playing on racial inequities to ruin the assent of Barack Obama.

American media and dead-brained bloggers quickly pounded on NAFTA-gate when it was a bunch of lies against Obama, so why are they not reporting the truth? These are questions that the asshat duo from ABC should have brought to light last night but that wouldn't fit in with the 52-minute torture session of Barack Obama for the sole purpose of assist the flailing Clintons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 04/17/2008
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