Undecided superdelegates don't feel bound by primaries

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STEPHEN OHLEMACHER | April 20, 2008 03:15 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Many of the Democratic superdelegates who are still undecided say the most important factor in their decision is simple _ they just want a winner in November.

Problem is, after nearly four months of primaries and caucuses in 46 states, territories and the District of Columbia, they still aren't sure who that is, don't seem be in any hurry to make up their minds and aren't interested in any artificial process that might force them to choose between Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Most of the more than 100 undecided superdelegates who discussed their decision-making with The Associated Press in the past two weeks agreed that the primaries and caucuses do matter _ whether it's who has the most national delegates or the candidate who won their state or congressional district. But few said the primaries will be the biggest factor in their decision.

"I think it's really important that we keep our eye on the prize, and the prize is the win in November," said Gail Rasmussen, an undecided superdelegate from Oregon.

That's good news for Clinton, who cannot catch Obama in delegates won in the few remaining primaries and caucuses.

Obama has been arguing for months that the superdelegates would be overturning the will of the voters if they don't nominate the candidate who has won the most pledged delegates. He has a 164-delegate lead in that category. Clinton, meanwhile, has argued that superdelegates should exercise independent judgment.

Many of the undecided superdelegates say they don't want to be perceived as elite insiders, cutting backroom deals to select a nominee. But that doesn't mean they're ready to forfeit their status.

"The way the system is set up, the superdelegates are able to weigh in because we are the most experienced people in the party," said Blake Johnson, an undecided superdelegate from Alaska. "We are the ones who have been part of the party the longest and keep it running on a day-to-day basis."

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There will be nearly 800 superdelegates at the party's national convention in Denver this summer. They are the party and elected officials who automatically attend the convention and are free to support whomever they choose. They are in high demand now that neither Clinton nor Obama can clinch the nomination without them.

Clinton leads in superdelegate endorsements, 258-232, according to the latest tally by the AP. However, Obama has been eating away at her lead for much of the past two months, picking up 84 percent of the superdelegate endorsements since Super Tuesday.

About 250 superdelegates have told the AP they are undecided or uncommitted. About 60 more will be selected at state party conventions and meetings this spring.

AP reporters across the nation contacted the undecideds and asked them how they plan to choose. Of those, 117 agreed to discuss the decision-making process.

_About a third said the most important factor will be the candidate who, they believe, has the best chance of beating Republican John McCain in the general election.

_One in 10 said the biggest factor will be the candidate with the most pledged delegates won in primaries and caucuses.

_One in 10 said what matters most is who won their state or congressional district in the primary or caucus.

_The rest cited multiple factors or parochial issues.

Most undecided superdelegates surveyed said they hope the nomination is settled before the party's convention. However, by more than a 2-to-1 margin, they said they oppose any formal mechanism, such as a separate primary or caucus, for the superdelegates to decide the nomination.

"I think that is changing the rules in the middle of the process," said Rep. Dan Boren of Oklahoma. "Obviously there are some problems with the process; there need to be some reforms made. Frankly, I would favor the people making the decision rather than insiders and party bosses."

Many undecided superdelegates refused to discuss their decision-making process, showing discomfort with the subject. Eighty-nine undecided superdelegates didn't return repeated phone calls or e-mails in the past two weeks, and 42 refused to discuss their decision when they were contacted.

"If I answer any of those (questions), people might be able to divine which way I am leaning," said Wayne Kinney, an undecided superdelegate from Oregon.

Even some experienced pols demurred.

"I'm not saying anything," said Rep. Rahm Emanuel, an Illinois superdelegate and a former aide to President Clinton. "There's no value to it."

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Associated Press writers Julia Silverman in Portland, Ore.; Steve Quinn in Juneau, Alaska; Ron Jenkins in Oklahoma City and Dennis Conrad in Washington contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — Many of the Democratic superdelegates who are still undecided say the most important factor in their decision is simple _ they just want a winner in November. Problem is, after nea...
WASHINGTON — Many of the Democratic superdelegates who are still undecided say the most important factor in their decision is simple _ they just want a winner in November. Problem is, after nea...
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- 4gloria I'm a Fan of 4gloria 3 fans permalink

"...the superdelegates are able to weigh in because we are the most experienced people in the party,"

The pompous rhetoric coming from some of these superdels about the superiority of their "experience" is astonishing, and strangely familiar. If these superdels are so experienced, why are so many still undecided?

So Johnson has held a few local appointments (his labor local, various low-level and appointed rural district seats), so have tens of thousands of other Dems. What about about that 21 y/o super? Does he have more experience than an average 38 y/o Dem who has been voting and contributing to the party for 20 years?

Treating their vote like an extra ticket to the Super Bowl - making sure all of their friends have the chance to come over and mow their lawns before deciding who to take to the game - isn't just selfish and arrogant; it's gutless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 04/21/2008

talk is cheap and don't forget the super delegates are politicians and they will vote the will of the people, especially the one's that are up for re-election. but they are, according, to the rules allowed to vote anyway they wish. if you don't approve of the setup, change it. Hillary has been very lucky that Obama has been a gentleman in this race. she believes she has responded to all they can throw at her; wait till the republicans get a chance at her; she's dead. Admitting you have baggage when it is already known is really no admission at all. Yes, she does have baggage; but no carry on

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 04/21/2008
- elsrks I'm a Fan of elsrks 2 fans permalink

We don't know which of these Super delegates chose to speak with the press -- but it may very well be a skewed group --those who favor Clinton..
We also do not know how the questions were framed to these superdelegates-- I am suspicious of all possible bias in the press--

There's more than 300 at stake-- ONLY 117 agreed to "TALK"-- "MANY UNDECIDED REFUSED TO DISCUSS" ...."89 DIDN'T RETURN PHONE CALLS"-

I believe that MOST will go with the WILL OF THE PEOPLE-- otherwise, the Superdelegates will be responsible for our party losing in November!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 04/21/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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so I'm confused.
are the SuperDs designed to be "elite party elders" who will step in and prevent monumental disaster?
or are they the voice of the people, designed to prevent monumental disaster?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 04/21/2008
- Ozarks I'm a Fan of Ozarks 49 fans permalink
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Neither Kellygrrrl, they are a monumental disaster to the Democratic Party and its ticket everywhere if they somehow allow Hillary to become the nominee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 04/21/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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you know, it might help if the SuperDs actually had a clear Job Description.

they can't even agree on what their purpose is at this point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 04/21/2008
- Erdgeist I'm a Fan of Erdgeist 83 fans permalink
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If Hillary doesn't have a spectacular win in Pennsylvania, the superdelegates are going to go to Sen. Obama. Period. They are not stupid nor are they loyal to the Clinton's who by their incompetence, caused us to lose the House in 1994, sending us on a path to hell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 04/21/2008

What part of Peace and Prosperity did you not like? Oh yeah... I guess that was the path to hell.

Ignore comments like the one above, written by another republican operative masquerading as a dem.

Vote Hillary!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 04/21/2008

And do anything else Rush Limbaugh wants you to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 04/21/2008
- Benmyoho I'm a Fan of Benmyoho 2 fans permalink

B;leech. Eat your hear out, because Hillary will win the nomination!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 04/21/2008
- anney I'm a Fan of anney 9 fans permalink

If the super delegates "want a winner" in November, most will probably vote for Obama if he continues as he has been. Hillary has managed to offend too many voters through lies and nasty politics, many Democrats and a lot of Independents, and the Independents simply won't vote for her since their loyalty isn't to a party but rather to those who reflect their concerns. Maybe most Democrats will vote for her if she manages to eke out the nomination anyway.

But in this case, people really should research Hillary's less well-known stand on the issues that have been GW Bush's agenda during the last seven years. She has been his enthusiastic supporter and enabler, another Margaret Thatcher.

Hillary Clinton on Iraq: http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/5099

Hillary Clinton's Military Policies: http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4811

Hillary Clinton and International Law: http://fpif.org/fpiftxt/4803

A Contrast between Clinton and Obama on Foreign Policy: http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4940

Know who and what you're voting for, super delegates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 04/21/2008
- wcfar I'm a Fan of wcfar 5 fans permalink

No one feels bound by the "will" of the people anymore. Only their own selfish interests. The democracy is dead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 04/21/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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so true
so sad
it's every man for himself out here

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 04/21/2008
- Macready I'm a Fan of Macready 64 fans permalink

it's not up to the superdelegates .. . if they vote they way they want to vote it makes a mockery of the primaries . . . shame on them

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 04/21/2008

get a clue!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 04/21/2008

Read between the lines, Hillary will get the nom., by hook or crook.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 04/21/2008

Only because the race is "close", we are seeing delegates who are sick of the Clintons demur from declaring for Obama. Even the Clintons probably don't realize the extent of the fatigue with them among the super delegates. There is not a large degree of courage and leadership among these super democrats right now, as this fiasco proves, but they will become a noisy lot and will pretend courage when June 3 rolls around and the people have finally spoken. A win by one is still a win, so there you are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 04/21/2008
- jdenham I'm a Fan of jdenham 7 fans permalink

If the Superdelegates want to overturn the will of the people they can, but they should also not expect us to defend them against the Republican machine come November. I see no reason to support them or the Democratic party with my words or my money this November if they dont listen to our voice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 04/21/2008

I'm voting for Obama in November. He will have won the popular vote and the most delegates. He will have my vote regardless of what the powers in the Democratic party say. It would be easier to check off his name as the nominee. However, writing in his name in a manner that is consistent with the law and counts for him can also be done. Some of the party elite might buy Hillary's argument that they are entitled to deny him the nomination to give it to her. What they can't do is assign my vote.

I don't think that I am the only one who feels this way. Give Hillary the nomination, and watch McCain become president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 AM on 04/21/2008
- VivaZapata I'm a Fan of VivaZapata 64 fans permalink
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i will not write in Obama's name; he would lose anyway, but I can't vote for someone I don't trust on issues of foreign policy. She has gone anyway the wind of popular support has blown, regardless of ethics and morality. Really, we'll all be without a real choice again. I also don't think she's as bright as I once considered her to be. Her proclamations seem very rehearsed and when she's on the spot she doesn't seem to do very well (like the driver's license for illegal aliens flip flop). Minor party here I come... again!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 04/21/2008
- dill I'm a Fan of dill 2 fans permalink

Right on. If, by some hook and crook Hillary manages to steal the nomination, I think a write-in campaign would be very feasible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 04/21/2008

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=225

Perhaps the Superdelagates should consider these remarks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 04/21/2008

Karl Rove = Fat Faced Chicken Hawk

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 04/21/2008

Since the Superdelegates are now saying my vote doesn't count for anything, I will stay home tomorrow and in Nove,ber. Let the oligarchy begin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 04/21/2008

If you live in PA, you have to go to the polls. A loss by Hillary there should absolutely put a stake in her heart. If she continues after a PA loss, then it is clear that she is a GOP operative doing her best to damage our ticket. Maybe she can join Lieberman at the GOP convention endorse McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 04/21/2008
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