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STEPHEN OHLEMACHER | April 20, 2008 03:15 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Many of the Democratic superdelegates who are still undecided say the most important factor in their decision is simple _ they just want a winner in November.

Problem is, after nearly four months of primaries and caucuses in 46 states, territories and the District of Columbia, they still aren't sure who that is, don't seem be in any hurry to make up their minds and aren't interested in any artificial process that might force them to choose between Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Most of the more than 100 undecided superdelegates who discussed their decision-making with The Associated Press in the past two weeks agreed that the primaries and caucuses do matter _ whether it's who has the most national delegates or the candidate who won their state or congressional district. But few said the primaries will be the biggest factor in their decision.

"I think it's really important that we keep our eye on the prize, and the prize is the win in November," said Gail Rasmussen, an undecided superdelegate from Oregon.

That's good news for Clinton, who cannot catch Obama in delegates won in the few remaining primaries and caucuses.

Obama has been arguing for months that the superdelegates would be overturning the will of the voters if they don't nominate the candidate who has won the most pledged delegates. He has a 164-delegate lead in that category. Clinton, meanwhile, has argued that superdelegates should exercise independent judgment.

Many of the undecided superdelegates say they don't want to be perceived as elite insiders, cutting backroom deals to select a nominee. But that doesn't mean they're ready to forfeit their status.

"The way the system is set up, the superdelegates are able to weigh in because we are the most experienced people in the party," said Blake Johnson, an undecided superdelegate from Alaska. "We are the ones who have been part of the party the longest and keep it running on a day-to-day basis."

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There will be nearly 800 superdelegates at the party's national convention in Denver this summer. They are the party and elected officials who automatically attend the convention and are free to support whomever they choose. They are in high demand now that neither Clinton nor Obama can clinch the nomination without them.

Clinton leads in superdelegate endorsements, 258-232, according to the latest tally by the AP. However, Obama has been eating away at her lead for much of the past two months, picking up 84 percent of the superdelegate endorsements since Super Tuesday.

About 250 superdelegates have told the AP they are undecided or uncommitted. About 60 more will be selected at state party conventions and meetings this spring.

AP reporters across the nation contacted the undecideds and asked them how they plan to choose. Of those, 117 agreed to discuss the decision-making process.

_About a third said the most important factor will be the candidate who, they believe, has the best chance of beating Republican John McCain in the general election.

_One in 10 said the biggest factor will be the candidate with the most pledged delegates won in primaries and caucuses.

_One in 10 said what matters most is who won their state or congressional district in the primary or caucus.

_The rest cited multiple factors or parochial issues.

Most undecided superdelegates surveyed said they hope the nomination is settled before the party's convention. However, by more than a 2-to-1 margin, they said they oppose any formal mechanism, such as a separate primary or caucus, for the superdelegates to decide the nomination.

"I think that is changing the rules in the middle of the process," said Rep. Dan Boren of Oklahoma. "Obviously there are some problems with the process; there need to be some reforms made. Frankly, I would favor the people making the decision rather than insiders and party bosses."

Many undecided superdelegates refused to discuss their decision-making process, showing discomfort with the subject. Eighty-nine undecided superdelegates didn't return repeated phone calls or e-mails in the past two weeks, and 42 refused to discuss their decision when they were contacted.

"If I answer any of those (questions), people might be able to divine which way I am leaning," said Wayne Kinney, an undecided superdelegate from Oregon.

Even some experienced pols demurred.

"I'm not saying anything," said Rep. Rahm Emanuel, an Illinois superdelegate and a former aide to President Clinton. "There's no value to it."

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Associated Press writers Julia Silverman in Portland, Ore.; Steve Quinn in Juneau, Alaska; Ron Jenkins in Oklahoma City and Dennis Conrad in Washington contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — Many of the Democratic superdelegates who are still undecided say the most important factor in their decision is simple _ they just want a winner in November. Problem is, after nea...
WASHINGTON — Many of the Democratic superdelegates who are still undecided say the most important factor in their decision is simple _ they just want a winner in November. Problem is, after nea...
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- raker I'm a Fan of raker 93 fans permalink

I too think it's wrong for Deval Patrick and others from HIllary states to ignore the will of the people and vote for Obama, and that it's wrong for them to let personal loyalties trump loyalty to the voters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 AM on 04/21/2008
- MPeter I'm a Fan of MPeter 25 fans permalink

It is over. Hillary lost on every meaningful indicator. Who would want her to run this country the way she has ran her campaign? she has no plan, no message and is now broke. She too old school, too steeped in Washington corruption and lobbying to be of any good to Americans. a single digit win in Pa should end her selfish and destructive campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 04/21/2008
- Ozarks I'm a Fan of Ozarks 49 fans permalink
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I hope you are right MPeter. But now Hillary's sycophants are saying "if she wins by one vote" she is the winner". The spin has started already because her 20 point lead has evaporated. Fiasco's like ABC debate show she still has the fat cat politicos on her side and these super delegates are to me like , snakes in the grass, they should not even be considered in the nomination calculation but here we are pining away on the hope of fair and good judgment, such as shown by the poster child of super delegates, Eliot Spitzer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 04/21/2008
- paixa3 I'm a Fan of paixa3 25 fans permalink

Hey, superdelegates do not give a shit about democracy. They do care about the contacts, jobs and $$$ that may come their way.

I hope the USA gets a democracy someday !!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 04/21/2008

It is not only Hillary throwing everything and the kitchen sink at Obama but he is indulging in self-flagellation.

To say that He, Obama, Clinton and McCain would make better presidents than the current President Bush is opening the door for future abuse by the Republicans should he or Clinton become the Democratic nominee.

After all, McCain while campaigning can say, "Even Obama said I would make a better President than Bush".

He should have stuck to the original critique that the election of McCain means a third term for Bush. This is largely true in terms of economic and foreign policy.

Now that he has equated a McCain presidency with himself and Clinton as being equally good, he has given McCain a comeback should Obama or Hillary try to use the "third term for Bush" criticism during the coming election campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 AM on 04/21/2008
- anney I'm a Fan of anney 9 fans permalink

Elkanah

What Obama said was that any of the three candidates in the running now would be a better president than Bush, not that a McCain presidency would be "as good" as his or Hillary's presidency.

Furthermore, he didn't say that he and McCain would be better than Bush. That kind of knee-capping statement is the purview of Hillary Clinton. She said that only she and McCain are qualified to be CIC -- they have the experience -- while Obama only gave a speech. Her experience unfortunately seems to be one of failure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 04/21/2008
- Periwinkle I'm a Fan of Periwinkle 57 fans permalink

If the superdelegates overturn the will of the people, I'll be out the door in a second and on my way to change my party affiliation back to Independent. I bet there will be a line to do so. It might be the rules, but it isn't right. Just like Florida and Michigan. Oh . . . wait . . . Hillary supporters think the primary rule is bad, but the superdelegate rule is good. They'll be fighting for a coronation either way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 AM on 04/21/2008
- Pammy1151 I'm a Fan of Pammy1151 9 fans permalink
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I will be right behind you along with millions of others. Everyone I have talked to says the same thing. Also if anyone thinks the crowd in Phila (35,000) is a big crowd I predict many protesting in Denver and anywhere else there is to protest. I just see the Democratic Party coming apart at the seams.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 AM on 04/21/2008
- KMan1 I'm a Fan of KMan1 6 fans permalink

Oh yeah it isn't going to be pretty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 04/21/2008

Republican pipe dreams! They make this kind of nonsenes claims every election. Last election they weer going to pick up lots of seats. The same idots are now prediciting the end of the party if we actually have an election to pick a candidate instead of running our of prospects like the rpugs did. MCCain won the nomination by default, he was not doing well or well like by many Republicans util he became their only choice.

The Dems will be fine with Hillary or Obama, the country has seen what the GOP measn and nobody is making the argument that more will be good for the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 04/21/2008
- cramos I'm a Fan of cramos 2 fans permalink

I would be more than happy to hold the Door! for you.

Good riddance!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 AM on 04/21/2008
- Benmyoho I'm a Fan of Benmyoho 2 fans permalink

Go ahead. Do whatever you want. Within the bounds of the law. The Democtratic Party doesn't need Kool Aid drinkers, anyway. Democrats are supposed to think, and not be lead by Oprah Winfrey and her ignorant ilk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 04/21/2008

Why should a superdeligate not get to vote for whomever they want? How can you call it voting if you are predeterminng the decsion? "I am our the door" if you do not vote as I tell you too? Remember democracy? Of course it is "right" you just do not like the possible outcome, so you want to pre define the results? Superdeligate votes are part of the will of the people. Would you suggest that any other voters or group of voters must vote for the current leading candidate. We are willing to invade and kill in the name of democracy, but if it threatens our desires we want to abandone it?

I support Obama for President, but I would gladly work on Hillary's campain if she got the nomination. McCain is bad for America and most people realize this.

It is standard GOP proceedures to tell people that if the superdeigates don't choose the way you want, then you should not support the other candidate. They are the ones whippin gup the fake frenzy, creating the pretend "Battle" or "War" between the candidates. It's all hype. You do not have to fall for their political parlor tricks.

Even if your choice of the two is not choosen, it would simply be stupid not to support the other in the election, no matter how they won the namination. This is not American Idol, in the end you must think about the country and not your favorite personality/ candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 04/21/2008

It is refreshing to see a group who are actually considering doing their job the way it was meant to be done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 AM on 04/21/2008
- c1ee I'm a Fan of c1ee 4 fans permalink

Oh well. I believe Obama is the better candidate. He'll just have to keep plugging along, and demonstrate he is really better, no matter how often the goalposts are moved. Crush Hillary in NC, Obama!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 AM on 04/21/2008
- jubo I'm a Fan of jubo 8 fans permalink
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The flag is one thing - a fascist symbol - the lapel pin another: unfailing allegiance to Dubya and right wing ideology. Of course, Rove is its architect. It is astounding this many adults subscribe to his sandlot bravura. Then again you get what you cultivate.

The guy reminds me of a squid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 AM on 04/21/2008

What have you got against squids?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 04/21/2008

Where did anyone ever get the idea that this had anything to do with the will of the people?

If the will of the people was what determined the results, every citizen would have to vote. Otherwise, it would be the will of a certain few, a mob, formed for the sole purpose of electing the most popular person in the mob. Does this sound familiar? At least learn the rules before you decide to join the game and definately don't allow one of the candidates and the MSM to explain them to you.

What we are supposed to have is representative government. We elect delegates to represent us but give them free will to select the better candidate if we make a mistake. Like superdelegates, even the pledged delegates are only duty bound and not legally bound to a candidate.
That way we do not end up like Palestine with Hamas in charge of our government.
I know you have the historic goal of electing the "First Black President" of the United States but please take an objective view of what you are doing to accomplish that end.

Don't destroy a process that has worked for many years because you don't like it.
Thanks for listening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 AM on 04/21/2008
- JMorgan I'm a Fan of JMorgan 3 fans permalink

You almost have it right, foreffectivegovernment.

We agree to abide by the rule of law and consent to be governed, IF (and it's a big if) we are guaranteed participation in the selection of those who will be doing the governing and making the laws. It's a tidy little bargain which those in power (superdelegates included) would be wise to heed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 AM on 04/21/2008

The SuperDelegates don't need any super-math. All they need to do is look at the votes that have already been cast, and remain to be cast:

http://www.diversityj.com/ElectionResults2008Primary.html

Clinton: pop-vote/delegates: 13,693,748 votes / 1,283 dels w/o MI/FL 12,494,453 / 1,105
caucus-vote/delegates: 180,092 votes / 149 dels

Obama: pop-vote/delegates: 13,587,154 votes / 1,193 dels w/o MI/FL 13,010,940 / 1,126
caucus-vote/delegates: 391,148 votes / 289 dels

After the Pennsylvania results come in this week, these numbers will be updated and the picture will become much more clear for the SuperDelegates.


Then we can see what happens in NC and Indiana. Then we can start leaning on the Supers to vote based on the voters in their Congressional district or state. If people like John Kerry are up for re-election and are not inclined to vote as their state wants, then maybe it's time for a new Senator. Same for Nancy Pelosi in San Francisco, and there is a long list after that, as well as 4 months before the convention to put any necessary challengers in place for the fall primaries. We can thank Obama for coming up w the strategy by having JJJr strong-arm the black super delegates committed to Hillary to switch their commitment. Works both ways.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 AM on 04/21/2008

Don't you think that there are probably quite a few that already committed to Hillary early on, that their districts probably went for Obama? It probably does work both ways. Most of her Superdelegates committed to her when they thought she was inevitable and that she would have no real challenge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 AM on 04/21/2008

I'm not swayed by the pretty graphs and voodoo math from a site that provides links to:

Hillary Clinton Supporters Forum
Side by Side Comparison of Hillary & Obama
Taylor Marsh - the antidote to right-wing talk
Hillary Green Mountain - an organized volunteer site
Official Hillary Clinton Website

Nice try, not gonna buy it, nope...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 04/21/2008
- RoOr I'm a Fan of RoOr permalink

Thanks for pointing this out. barryscott and obamasuperdelegate got nothin' on ya!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 04/21/2008

My question has always been why should the DNC give a rats ass bout the independent and the youth vote?

Independents don't support the party and the youth historically don't vote. I can see the DNC being concerned bout alienating the youth, but the youth will come back when bread and butter issues matter to them later in life.

The Super Delegates at stated in the article are the ones that are real democrats and are concerned bout the DNC. They're choice would be Clinton, cause the party democrats overall support her more than Obama. This is by looking at the Blue States she has won in the Primaries compared to the Red States that Obama has won that doesn't really matter in the General. Cause Red states aren't going to go Blue for Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 04/21/2008
- c1ee I'm a Fan of c1ee 4 fans permalink

LOL thanks for the laughs. Next time you run a business, try and convince your investors that you don't need to grow, because your current customer base is so loyal, that you needn't bother trying to expand your company and marketshare. Oh, and your 'independents don't support the party, and youth historically don't vote' line? I can understand your skepticism, but Obama has shattered all the conventions, all the traditions of the political game.

A bottom up campaign that is winning? check.
A brand new form of raising money that doesn't include pandering to the rich companies and lobbyists? check.
Access to a brand new technology that can summon the youth at a moment's notice? check.
An African American frontrunner? check.
Beating the most established democratic dynasty in recent history? check.

I'd find it more believable that Clinton supporters (whom you claim to be so loyal) would be more likely to come round and vote for Obama, than the other way around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 AM on 04/21/2008
- Seafarer61 I'm a Fan of Seafarer61 9 fans permalink

Not being able to win one single big blue state other than his own? check.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 04/21/2008

If the superdelegates are going to use some subjective and personal reasoning of who they think would win in November, then why did we bother having primaries? Seems to me that we should have just had one superdelegate only primary in January and be done with it -- no facade of Democracy necessary.

One thing that I hope the superdelegates keep in mind -- if they overturn the will of the people, they may be causing the very condition that they fear most -- a Dem loss in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 04/21/2008
- Amminadab I'm a Fan of Amminadab 11 fans permalink

Only the voters can cause a Dem loss in November.

Especially if they are petty and immature.

If so, they get what they deserve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 04/21/2008
- c1ee I'm a Fan of c1ee 4 fans permalink

So does that mean you will vote for Obama if he wins the nomination?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 AM on 04/21/2008
- neocon43 I'm a Fan of neocon43 29 fans permalink

This was the reason democrats made these rules.Because in certain situations the people may not know best.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 AM on 04/21/2008
- JMorgan I'm a Fan of JMorgan 3 fans permalink

"Because in certain situations the people may not know best."

Which people and what situations would those be? The people who make the rules or the people who have to live under them?

We're talking about an election here. One person, one vote. Pick your preferred candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 AM on 04/21/2008

Their votes count as much as the general public. Remember that the party is choosing a candidate to run in the general. In the general it is the electoral college. Now, that is a different animal altogether.
It is an American process and it works, believe it or not.
The main rule is: the superdelegates can vote their conscience. That is all....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 AM on 04/21/2008
- paixa3 I'm a Fan of paixa3 25 fans permalink

process works?.........the fraudulent electoral college......MY ASS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 04/21/2008

The DNC drew up the rules that way, they can go with the primaries or not, it is up to the superdelegate. You can hate it if you like, but that was how the rules go , so you might as well live with it. And to say there would be an uprising...geez that should have happened after George W stole the election from Gore, but you didn't see that happen even in the general election. Obama is new, and Hillary is only haed as the GOP have spun there stuff, and the Obama campaign have slung their mud. Hillary has always been a great senator and a great first lady and everyone loved her...everyone that is except the GOP.....so if you are a democrat who thinks you hate Hillary, you should stop and ask yourself why...(because she is runnng against your candidate?? thats not enough of a reason....she has done much for black people,hispanics, poor people, and children....there isn't one thing people could find objectionable about her.....unless its political Hatfields vs the McCoys

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 AM on 04/21/2008
- Mort I'm a Fan of Mort 38 fans permalink
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What exactly has Hillary accomplished for New York, or for the country? Seems to me if she has to lie and get nasty in order to win she doesn't deserve it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 04/21/2008
- Amminadab I'm a Fan of Amminadab 11 fans permalink

Hillary has not lied any more than Obama has...... neither has her campaign been any nastier than his. She is a good and respected Democrat who has spent more than three decades working for the better interests of children, women, minorities, and low income families. Her history is quite admirable.

In New York, she represented her constituency in demanding the establishment of the 911 Commission. If you remember, the administration didn't want any investigation.... and the Republicans controlled congress. It was one heck of a fight. She continues to represent the interests of the victims and response teams from 911. She also serves on the Armed Services Committee, constantly battling to actually take care of our soldiers and veterans. She is a hard worker, you would want her on your team.

Hope this helps.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 AM on 04/21/2008

very little, but cut her some slack she's been running for president since she got anointed into the senate due to pardons, pity and prostate cancer. She has no relevant experience , her only experience lies in lying and she's really not that good at that as she keeps getting caught. But it is her stupidity that gets me. You might figure if the press is present some recording of your actions might occur.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 04/21/2008

Trinidad707: Thanks for your fine post. The Hillary bashing on this Blog has been coming from Republican trolls who get their ammunition from T. Boone Pickens and the others who funded the Swiftboat Veterans for the Truth ads against John Kerry. Here is a link to prove what I say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Her_Now

The Obama supporters just feed on these post because they feel they are supporting their candidate by degrading his opponent. They don't realize when they help get rid of Hillary, the same Republicans that ruined John Kerry will come after Obama in the general.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 AM on 04/21/2008
- xargaw I'm a Fan of xargaw 32 fans permalink

If the SDs want to win in the November, the single most important thing they better consider is not overturning the will of the voters. This is a delegate race and whoever wins the most voter delegates should get the nod. Otherwise, the election will be lost for sure. If the SDs overturn the will of the voters, just how many Democrats do they think will be sitting home on election day? Millions!!!!! It they think something like this will blow over because we are afraid of McCain, they are nuts. No DEM likes McCain, but that is only half the equation. If the SDs betray the Party, we won't like them any better than McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 AM on 04/21/2008
- Amminadab I'm a Fan of Amminadab 11 fans permalink

No matter which side feels cheated...... all will be forgotten come November. Six months is an eternity in politics and world events. There is plenty time, and plenty motivation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 04/21/2008
- neocon43 I'm a Fan of neocon43 29 fans permalink

You are dreaming.The convention is in August with general in November.That is very short period to get everything straight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 04/21/2008

"not overturning the will of the voters."
I get so tired of reading this. The only way the will of the voters can be determined is if every citizen votes. Otherwise, the outcome is just the will of a few, a mob. Pure Democracy is "mob rule". That is why our forefathers instituted representative government. The voters elect delegates to represent their interests at conventions where the candidates are selected. To circumvent this process is anarchy and should be avoided at all cost. Just like "rioting in the streets" or threatening to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 AM on 04/21/2008
- c1ee I'm a Fan of c1ee 4 fans permalink

So if you think the supers are so smart as to really know what's good for the democratic party, if the supers overwhelmingly declare for Obama, will you support him also?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 AM on 04/21/2008
- RoOr I'm a Fan of RoOr permalink

Yes, you're right. It's a delegate race (pledged + super) please don't forget that. Superdelegates were set up vote their conscience as to who would be most electable in the general and should remain that way. I mean, rules are rules, right? Even if it means disenfranchising millions of Michigan and Florida votes, right?

On the "will of the people" - how do you measure the will of the people? Certainly not by delegate counts, that's for sure, but here's some suggestions:

Voting the way your constituents voted
Voting the popular vote
Voting your state, even if they were caucuses

Most pledged delegates is hard to do since MI and FL are out of the process, so which one is right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 04/21/2008
- Mort I'm a Fan of Mort 38 fans permalink
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Dems have whined for years about repubs stealing elections and invalidating the voters. And now they've negated two whole states, changed the rules and set the stage for a hostile takeover after a bloodbath campaign. Nice job, DNC!

This just shows that both parties and most politicians couldn't care less about what we want or what's best for the country. It's just an us vs them battle for money & power and we're the nameless fools who pay for it.

Maybe we could put our foot down and demand that we be represented for once. No more secret deals. No more lobbyists. No more imcumbents. No more private funding. No more super delegates. Or we can just sit and stew about it like usual and let them keep having their way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 04/21/2008
- Amminadab I'm a Fan of Amminadab 11 fans permalink

You must get involved and stay involved to effect change.

Isn't that Obama's message?

It doesn't mean you give up when that change doesn't come easy...... and it doesn't mean you don't compromise when sharing a common cause will increase your base of support.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 04/21/2008
- Mort I'm a Fan of Mort 38 fans permalink
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You're right, and that's why so many of us want the chance to vote for him. (if the elites will let us!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 04/21/2008
- JMorgan I'm a Fan of JMorgan 3 fans permalink

I see Chicago '68 over the horizon.

If superdelegates don't feel bound by the will of the people, I think it's time to dust off my FREE BOBBY SEALE t-shirt and book a flight to Denver this August.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 04/21/2008

The Super delegates aren't suppose to "feel bound by the people" that was the reason they were created. This ISN'T an election, its a primary and the party can do anything it wants. Should the DNC's rules be changed after this season, hell yes, but don't feel that the delegates owe you or anyone anything.

Now if by some chance Hillary does get the nomination don't get pissy and leave, get involved in the DNC and change this messed up process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 04/21/2008
- JMorgan I'm a Fan of JMorgan 3 fans permalink

Mighty offensive, Lazycrockett. Telling people what to do isn't the best idea if you're trying to get cooperation. It's why Hillary Rodham Clinton can't deliver on her promises. She can't get along with others, can't trust a thing she says.

Obama can and does get along with others. I think he'll be able to forge agreements that all sides can be happy with. The Clintons can't because they are so distrusted. With good reason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 AM on 04/21/2008
- JMorgan I'm a Fan of JMorgan 3 fans permalink

The DNC was coopted in the 1980s by the DLC (DINOs, founded by the Clintons, Al From, Joe Lieberman and a cast of dozens of conservative Democrats), which has been selling out average, ordinary American citizens one election cycle at a time.

This election cycle has deep implications on many fronts; the environment and economy to the survival of democracy in the US and the party system. The battle isn't only for control of the White House, but also for the Democratic Party.

The Clintons have been working to push the left out of the party and replace us with disenfranchised moderate Republicans. Evangelical Christians control their party. I think the Clintons' plans got bolluxed up with Obama's entry into the race. The Clintons hoped to carry out the purge with all stealth, and that there would be nothing we could do about it without a candidate charismatic enough to challenge them.

If she gets the nomination, she won't be getting my vote, or anybody else's that I know. I don't vote for Republicans. At last week's debate, she identified herself as farther to the right than McCain - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFFUhnR6bjM

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 AM on 04/21/2008

if the "supers" try to steal the nomination, there will be a million obama supporters in the streets of denver. they'll get a taste of what democracy is all about. guaranteed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 04/21/2008
- Amminadab I'm a Fan of Amminadab 11 fans permalink

You can't get a million people in the streets to stop this war....... but you think you can over a party nomination?

Priorities.

There will be no such march.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 04/21/2008

Everybody on this Blog has a crystal ball that allows them to see the future. Here is what I see.

Even though the Obamanation has used mob rule and "organization" to nominate Senator Barack Obama to be the Democratic nominee, he is deemed to be the weaker candidate against John McCain. The superdelegates choose Senator Hillary Clinton as the Democratic nominee.
Members of the Obamanation "riot in the streets" of Denver, Colorado.

George W. Bush in his capacity as Commander-in-Chief, declares Martial Law, calls up a contingent of Blackwater mercenaries to quell the riots, calls off the election process and continues as President of the United States.
The Democratic majority in Congress introduce a law that George W. Bush oversteped his authority by his actions. The Democratically controlled Congress can not get a supermajority and the President threatens a veto anyway. The survivers of the Obamanation riot continue to be held at Guantanamo Bay Cuba untill they are old and gray.
Do you really think it couldn't happen? I don't either but I wouldn't bet on it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 04/21/2008
- neocon43 I'm a Fan of neocon43 29 fans permalink

You mean burning cars and other crimes that you are so noted for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 AM on 04/21/2008

What do you mean "YOU?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 AM on 04/21/2008

They are not going to steal anything. You don't know how they are going to vote, just as they couldn't read your mind when you vote.
I think people are getting the general mixed up with the primary. It isn't just about popular vote.
Settle down people and try to understand the system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 AM on 04/21/2008
- c1ee I'm a Fan of c1ee 4 fans permalink

LOL thanks for reassuring us mere peons. You seem to have this arrogant assumption that these supers are just itching to back Hillary for Obama. I'm sorry to say, but all evidence points to the contrary. I believe when Obama wins NC by 15 points that will be the straw that breaks Hillary's back. The ONLY THING that is keeping Hillary in this race is dynastic name recognition, and all those loyalties and favours they accrued in all those years in power. Once those loyalties are exhausted (arguably it already has) the floodgates will open and Obama will coast past the delegate magic number.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 AM on 04/21/2008

I sincerely doubt that. The real democrats that care about America will get behind our nominee, some will just disappear, and some will resolve to fight harder for their candidate the next time around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 AM on 04/21/2008
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