White House challenges release of visitor logs

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MATT APUZZO | April 21, 2008 09:32 PM EST | AP

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President Bush carries an umbrella as the walks from the Oval Office of the White House in Washington in a pouring rain, Monday, April 21, 2008, for a trip to New Orleans, La., to meet with North American leaders. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)

WASHINGTON — A federal appeals court sought compromise Monday between a liberal group demanding the names of White House visitors and the Bush administration, which says releasing the names would erode the president's power.

If released, the documents would show how often prominent religious conservatives visited the White House and Vice President Dick Cheney's residence, allowing a glimpse into how much influence they exerted on government policy.

White House calendars are not generally considered public records, but reporters and watchdog groups have used Secret Service documents, which normally are public, to report on White House visitors.

Rather than having those documents released on a case-by-case basis, the Bush administration wants them considered White House documents, which would keep them from public view for more than a decade.

A federal judge rejected White House arguments in December and ordered the documents released. On appeal before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, government attorneys said the president has a well-established right to seek advice privately.

Releasing lists of visitors would trample on that right, said Justice Department lawyer Jonathan F. Cohn, and the logs should be treated like other White House documents.

The judges were skeptical. They said they wanted to find a way to protect the president's rights without broadly prohibiting access to information that should be public.

"What in the documents are so quintessentially presidential?" asked Judge David S. Tatel.

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"The name of the person going in to visit," Cohn replied.

"That's a public building," Tatel said. "You can stand out on 17th Street and watch who goes in and out."

"The Secret Service might have some qualms with that," Cohn responded.

"They might have some qualms but they couldn't stop you from doing it," said Chief Judge David B. Sentelle.

Rather than balancing the president's interest with the public's, Tatel said, the government was simply disregarding the Freedom of Information Act. He said the policy would allow the president to "draw a curtain around the White House."

Judge Merrick B. Garland said he was concerned the Bush administration's policy could extend to other White House agencies such as the budget office, which normally releases public records. Under the government's theory, Garland said, visits to the White House social planner, caterer and gardener would all be secret because the president needs to receive advice privately.

The judges seemed equally dissatisfied with the argument of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, the group seeking the documents. Sentelle and Tatel said the group was using the Secret Service as an end-run, a way to get documents that normally would not be public.

"I think Congress would be surprised that, by requiring the president to receive Secret Service protection, it was opening up his calendars," Tatel said.

Sentelle became frustrated and at one point put his head in his hands after pressing attorney Anne L. Weismann to acknowledge that the president must be allowed to seek advice privately. He repeatedly urged her to explain how to balance the two interests.

"I don't understand what you don't understand," Sentelle said. "You're not acknowledging the separation-of-powers problem."

The judges pressed both sides to offer a compromise that would strike the right balance. Government lawyers said they couldn't discern from the logs which meetings were presidential policy meetings and which ones might not be sensitive, such as a meeting with the White House gardener. Weismann bristled at the idea that the government's only solution was blanket secrecy.

"I haven't heard from you a counter-suggestion," Tatel told Weismann. "We've never had a case like this."

Garland seemed to search for a solution short of the government's blanket secrecy but that would not allow journalists and special-interest groups to regularly request the names of every visitor to the White House. Under that scenario, he said, the president could never ensure that any meeting was confidential.

The court did not immediately rule on the case. Nearly two dozen news organizations, including The Associated Press, filed court documents supporting the release of the Secret Service logs.

During the administration of President Clinton, political opponents made extensive use of Secret Service logs documenting White House visits by donors, money-raisers, pardon-seekers and former White House intern Monica Lewinsky.

WASHINGTON — A federal appeals court sought compromise Monday between a liberal group demanding the names of White House visitors and the Bush administration, which says releasing the names woul...
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So we are a beacon for freedom, democracy, and transparency, huh? We were until these foxes were let into the henhouse by the Supremes.

So how does one get urine stains off the parchment the Constitution is written on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 04/22/2008
- Avis I'm a Fan of Avis permalink

I think you mean White House lies not "logs". Gas is freakin $3.79 a gallon in Chicago and their trying to cover their butts. Classic Bush!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 04/21/2008
- atombee I'm a Fan of atombee 2 fans permalink
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I'm glad people have mentioned Jeff Gannon's overnight visits to the WH ... he was there on days where there were no press conferences .... not to mention the overnight stays as recorded in the records they are trying to keep secret.

Part of the problem is that if you suggest that the Republican Party is completely comprised of closeted, power-fellating homosexuals, you get accused of being a homophobe, even though it is true.

Truth is no match for political correctness, never has been.

Gay men don't want to admit this, or if they do, they want to blame it on straight people somehow (like being in the closet is the result of self-loathing - no it's part of the kink, i'm afraid). Even Dan Savage refused to accept Senator Larry Craig as being gay, saying he belongs to the straight world, because he is "straight-identified." This is complete and utter bullshit.

If the Repubes were properly outed, they would lose the fundamentalist Christians for a generation and be totally unelectable as a result.

They are the fringe party. Fringe, lace, and codpieces.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 04/21/2008
- shag11 I'm a Fan of shag11 11 fans permalink

Those thugs probably want to hide the fact that they've had Tony Soprano at the White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 04/21/2008
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Nope! I think it all has something to do with W's 3rd grade elementary school teacher who has been faithfully visiting him and giving him tutoring lessons (still?)...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 04/21/2008

I started to get aggravated when I read this story, but then I realized that this is only the latest in a long line of flawed reasoning which permeates this Administration. The Bush years will go down in history as one of the more darker periods of American life. We have an Administration which has malice towards the public -- which treats its citizens like ATM machines -- squeezing every last penny by creating an environment where corporations and military contractors dominate. With myopic Republicans helping pave the way, Bush has turned this country upside down and is so corrupt, criminal, fraudulent that he spends every day trying to cover his tracks and burying information so he will not face charges for treason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 04/21/2008
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Oh the rulings will eventually be in favor of the administration. Heck, they just send Blackwater to visit the judges and make them an offer they cannot refuse. Just like they do with everything else when they want to bend/break the laws.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 04/21/2008
- Abycat I'm a Fan of Abycat 4 fans permalink

They don't need to send Blackwater - the have Scallia and his gnome Thomas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 04/21/2008

No problem the Federalist hacks on the Supreme Court will over turn and lower court decision, these hacks rule in favor of party now. The Federalist were warmongering unprincipled thugs during the time of Jefferson and Adams and little has changed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 04/21/2008
- BobSF94117 I'm a Fan of BobSF94117 12 fans permalink

Well, first things first. Any rules that applied to Bill Clinton, shouldn't, won't, CAN'T apply to Dubya. It's in the Rove Rule Book. Case closed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 04/21/2008

I would suggest tapping Bush's toilet to find the POTUS' log -- floating there like his brain in his cranial soup.

Cheney's log -- well, that would be tougher. You'd have to up shit creek without a paddle to find that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 04/21/2008
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Oh i think any and everything, documented, that would involve these idiots has been or will be promptly disposed of just like those couple of missing emails.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 04/21/2008

Odd the Republcians didn't think this was an issue when they demanded the CLinton WH logs and got them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 04/21/2008
- springsm I'm a Fan of springsm 54 fans permalink

gawd damned son of a bitch bottom feeding paranoid meglamanic. Gosh I will be so glad when this psychological study is out of this whitehouse. How does one contain one's frustration and anger over this small small man's actions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 04/21/2008

If Boosh haz nussing to hide zen he shood sho us hiz zeekrets...zneekay basturd.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 04/21/2008
- LeftLeaner I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner 26 fans permalink
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Oh yes, let's use "National Security" as our reasoning.

It ALWAYS works with EVERYTHING ELSE we're HIDING.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 04/21/2008
- LeftLeaner I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner 26 fans permalink
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I thought "Public Records" they BELONG to the PUBLIC!!!

With the limp and incompetent Congress that WE chose, I don't see anything coming of this.

Just like nothing has been voiced about the Torture Memo of which the Bush Administration was privy to and authorized.

Like Fancy Nancy said immediately: Impeachment is off the table, and so is any kind of criminal charges issued against our Criminal Administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 04/21/2008
- springsm I'm a Fan of springsm 54 fans permalink

With Bush, there is no "public".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 04/21/2008
- wmfor I'm a Fan of wmfor 21 fans permalink
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Yeah, one thing was already leaked from those White House logs, and it really endangered national security, let me tell you.

That of course, was the frequent overnight private consultations with Jeff Gannon. Gannon's vital military expertize came to the White House's attention through his web site hotmilitarystuds. Untold damage to this country's War on Terror (R) was done when the terrists learned through Internet leaks that Gannon had the President's rear, er, uh, the President's ear.

It is vital to keep these logs secret from the American public, lest they learn who is actually running the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 04/21/2008
- Zentomato I'm a Fan of Zentomato 9 fans permalink

Where are all the conservative commenters on this? :::crickets chirping::::::

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 04/21/2008
- mmerose I'm a Fan of mmerose 11 fans permalink

Saving their energy for demanding total transparency as soon as a Demo is elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 04/21/2008
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