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AmericaBlog: Hillary, Unlike Obama, Only Talks About Gays To Gay Press

AmericaBlog   |   April 23, 2008 04:51 PM

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My friend Phil Attey asks why Obama keeps mentioning gays and lesbians in his speeches - speeches he makes to the public at large, not just gay audiences - and Hillary never does. Phil writes:

Last month, a gay Philadelphian LGBT publisher raised the issue that Senator Obama, though often addressing LGBT issues and including us in his major speeches, was not granting his publication an exclusive interview. Senator Obama quickly addressed the issue and granted an exclusive interview to the national LGBT publication, The Advocate.

Tonight, following the Pennsylvania Primary, Senator Obama once again showed his commitment to our community by including us in his address to the nation. Senator Clinton, speech, once again, did not include us, and it brings up the issue that hers never do.

Read the whole story here.


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collapse WaynesWhirled See Profile I'm a Fan of WaynesWhirled

Hillary doesn't have a "gay problem". She consistently recieves the majority of the LGBT vote. She consistently speaks out about LGBT issues, Obama on the other hand has to be forced into speaking with gay media. And if Hillary was afraid that she will be viewed as pro-gay as this ridiculous article suggests, why would she attend (and be photographed) attending so many gay pride marches, where as Obama has never even attended one.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 AM on 04/26/2008
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She sent Chelsea out at whatever time of night with Rendell, why didn't she go there herself ? She sends her to a gay bar and uses her own daughter. If she is for the gays then do it yourself, don't send your daughter. She's nothing but a hypocrite just like someone else said.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 04/25/2008
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Is Huma Abedin Hillary's lover? That might explain part of her "Gay Problem".

Who knows - yet. But, there are only 4 possibilities:

1: Hillary has no romantic life and is sexless.

2: Hillary does it with Bill.

3: Hillary has a guy on the side.

4: Hillary has a woman on the side.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 04/25/2008
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If she has such a problem with Gays then why would she go to any Pride parades? Has Obama ever been photographed at a Pride parade?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 AM on 04/25/2008
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Can you think of a bigger non-issue than attending a gay pride parade or giving an interview to a Hillary supporting editor in Pennsylvania because I can't?

Hillary supports keeping most of DOMA. Her husband signed it into law . Twice burned by the Clintons is enough for most of us.

Obama talks about homophobia in black churches. He has pledged to repeal both DOMA and Don't Ask Don't Tell in their entireties.

Get your priorities in order, girlfriend.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 04/26/2008
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She was at the pride parade with a big black hat.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 04/25/2008
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Does the presence of one politician at a pride parade automatically ensure the community's loyalty. I am sorry, but it looks more like the vote pandering HRC we have all come to know and love was doing what she does best. I am certain she would throw us under the next bus if it was politically expedient for her to do so, just as her husband did.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 AM on 04/25/2008
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Would it hurt for Barack to pander once in a while?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 04/26/2008
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I'm soooo OVER Hillary AND name-trolls!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 04/24/2008
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I like that hat, Hill.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 04/24/2008
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/04/politics/main3993547.shtml

Hillary Clinton has pledged to eliminate the disparities for same-sex couples under Federal law, effectively ending the DOMA policy. CBS news covered the story (click the link above and read it for yourself) it was a big announcement, but I guess Obama supporters only read and hear what they want to.
She has also pledged to end the military policy of Dont Ask Dont Tell.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 04/24/2008
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"Hillary Clinton has pledged to eliminate the disparities for same-sex couples under Federal law, effectively ending the DOMA policy." -- WaynesWhirled

Hillary Clinton supports repealing only section 3 of DOMA. During the HRC/Logo Presidential Forum, Hillary Clinton was the only candidate not to support the full repeal of the DOMA.

Hillary said " ... I want to proceed with equalizing federal benefits. I want to repeal Section 3 of DOMA, which stands in the way of the extension of benefits to people in committed, same-sex relationships, and, you know, I will be very strongly in favor of doing that as president."

Why just Section 3? Why not the whole thing?

Translating Clintonese word parsing into action: Hillary will fight to retaining most of DOMA while doing nothing to repeal Section 3. This is how the Clintons operate.

The Clintons already fooled gay voters twice with Don't Ask in '93 and DOMA in '96. Who's willing to be fooled again?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 04/26/2008
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Admit it, Penn. WaynesWhirled is one of your sock puppets. Pledge. Pledge. Pledge. In the end she really hasn't done that much except toss a few crumbs to distract a few pigeons.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 04/25/2008
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Believe that one when you see it, and not a second before.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 04/24/2008
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Good on her.

But the part she's not pledging to repeal is that no state (or other political subdivision within the United States) need treat a relationship between persons of the same sex as a marriage, even if the relationship is considered a marriage in another state.

If she gets the Federal non-recognition of same sex marriage repealed, then it opens the door to throw out the second part (above) pursuant to the rules of marriage recognition. But wouldn't it be best to just have that part repealed too?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 04/24/2008
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You seem to be advocating gay marraige, which is a position Obama has said he is against. To eliminate all disparities under Federal law for same sex couples would end DOMA. You seem to be making an arguement about State laws, which is for a Governor and State Legislators to decide, not a President.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 04/24/2008
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Um ... if you read the DOMA legislation, as passed, you'd see that there's a provision discounting the common recognition of marriage across state lines. So, if Massachusetts allows same-sex marriage, no other state will have to recognize that marriage. This is part of the federal DOMA law, which is contrary to the rules of marriage recognition that have been structured by precedent through the courts.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 04/24/2008
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So has Obama...he has pledged to lift the ban on gays in the military and repeal ALL OF DOMA if it arrives at his desk.

http://citizenchris.typepad.com/citizenchris/2007/06/obama_and_doma.html

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 04/24/2008
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"So has Obama...he has pledged to lift the ban on gays in the military and repeal ALL OF DOMA if it arrives at his desk."--PrdAmerican

Yes, he has many times.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 04/26/2008
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They're such copycats! ;)

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 04/24/2008
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LOL
oh yeah

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 04/24/2008
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May I please point something out? Hillary is NOT going to be the Democratic nominee - arguing amongst ourselves is not going to change that mathematically -based fact.

So, for those of us who are members of the gay community, interested in preserving whatever precious few rights we have in our individual states or even further advancing our rights in this country as full, tax-paying, voting citizens, we need to come to grips with Obama as our nominee. I personally support Obama over Clinton, but those who do not, who feel Obama is operating some subversive anti-gay agenda, you should direct your comments, concerns and criticisms not just here but to his campaign directly. When all of this media-manufactured "Hillary still has a chance" non-sense is finally over, we will have two choices: Obama or McCain. Unless you are a complete self-loather, you will vote Democrat. Or maybe Clinton will run as an Independent, and then you can really waste your vote in Nader-esque style. But unlike Nader, she could probably peel quite a few democrats away, thereby guaranteeing the presidency to McCain.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 04/24/2008
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truthskr, could you please do the math and show me how Obama will reach that mark of 2,025? I've workrd the numbers and I just don't see how it is possible for either candidate to reach the magic number. It's up to the super delegates and hopefully they will go with the candidate that is sure to beat McCain in November. Hillary Clinton!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 04/24/2008
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Neither Hillary or Obama will reach this number, and I have never stated that Obama will. But even with her PA win, which only closed the margin between she and Obama by something like 10 delegate votes, Hillary still needs something in the neighborhood of 70-80% of all remaining votes (pledged and super alike). Anyone with an understanding of statistics realizes that this will not happen. I have a math degree and work as an actuary, and no one in my field who I talk to who are following this election in our numbers-crunching way, thinks Hillary has anything much outside of a 1% chance.

Sure, the SDs *could* go Clinton, and therefore against Obama's elected and popular vote wins, but that has been far from the trend for soem time now and to do so would usurp and disenfranchise a huge portion of the Party's base - blacks, progressives/liberals, young Dems, first time voters - and people they will need to defeat McCain. Also, many SDs, as elected officials, looking our for their own best interests and re-elections will likely be very leery of overturning an elected+popular vote win.

Just saying, it's well more than a possibility that Obama is our nominee, and all of the gay genuflecting in the world in the Clintons' direction is not going to change this. We need a plan to address any concerns we may have as an entire community with Obama and move forward with him in partnership.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 04/24/2008
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You should not commet on what you know not what you want
Hillary only won pennsylvanian and she won 10 delegates more than obama and along with the popular vote.
only in that state now Obama thats diffrent because he won more states !
I believe Obama has 130 delegates more than Hillary
and Obama has the popular vote as well.
Florida and Michigan delegates can not be count.
END OF STORY !

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 04/28/2008
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"I have a math degree and work as an actuary"

I am so impressed!

In your post you claimed that, "Hillary is NOT going to be the Democratic nominee - arguing amongst ourselves is not going to change that mathematically -based fact." You said it was a "mathematically -based fact" and I requested mathematical proof. With your math degree you should have no trouble showing me the facts you claim to have.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 04/24/2008
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There are 4047 delegates total (3253 pledged + 794 super).

Post-PA, Obama has 1728 (1490 pledged, 238 super) and Clinton has 1596 (1334 pledged, 262 super).

Therefore, there are 723 total remaining (429 pledged + 294 super)

In order to just catch Obama, Clinton needs 59% of all remaining votes, pledged and super:

1728+ x =1596 + (723 -x)
x=295
Hillary needs: 723-295 = 428, which is 428/723=59% of all remaining votes just to pull even with Obama

This, however, assumes that she will average 59% in all remaining states, which based upon her history of percentage wins/losses, is a near impossibility, probability/statistics-wise. Therefore, in order to her just to catch up with Obama, she will almost certainly need an even larger percentage (probably closer to 70-80%) of supers to swing her way. It would then be perceived, regardless of their perogative to do so, that the supers then stole the election from Obama and instead handed it to her, the pledged and popular vote loser.

At a certain point, as much as a math wonk as I am, it becomes a matter of common sense. Could she still do it? Yes, but she would have to defy all mathematical odds. And despite her PA win, she was trending sharply downward there (with her margin reduced from 20+% down to 10%), and the supers are trending heavily towards Obama.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 04/24/2008
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It should also probably be noted how incredibly financially strapped Hillary is. Yeah, she had a nice little haul following her PA win, but has that even covered her debts? I see it's just been reported she's $5M deeper in the hole than previously reports, so I doubt she's even out of the red yet. Obama has what, $40M, and he typcially outraisers her 2-3 times in the average month. Sure, some argure he outspent her 3-1in PA and still lost by 10%, but she was losing ground fast there. She needs to post at least 18-point wins in all of the remaining states and among SDS to even catch him. Logically, most would conceded that is not going to happen; PA was her last big double-digit hurrah and that was nowhere near 18%. And with no money, or relatively very little, she's dead in the water.

Well, maybe he'll go on TV and either drown a bag of puppies or dry-hump the flag, because that's what it will take for Hillary to win at this point.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 04/24/2008
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Thank you for clearing that up, we wouldn't want your reputation damaged by claiming facts that even those without math degrees know to be false.
Now repeat after me, Hillary can win the nomination, that's a mathematically -based fact.

Now I have to question your logic skills. She's dead in the water and she's losing ground yet she kicked butt in PA after kicking butt in a beautiful debate. She financially strapped even though she's hauling in money and don't forget the fact that those super delegates can and will change their endorsements when that video of Obama drowning those puppies hits YouTube.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 04/24/2008
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Wow. Good luck with your therapy for your inferiority complex.

Please educate yourself on all of you above referenced "kicking butt" points. You obviously know nothing of her current financial situation - bringing in $10M when you're $15M in the hole is not "kicking butt."

And the SDs will change, but only some of Hillary's committeds have indicated the willingness of possiblity of changing their minds.

Can we check back here in couple months so that you can tell me how all of Hillary's "butt kicking" worked out for she and you?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 04/24/2008
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Um ... pledged superdelegates? You know, those supers that pledge to vote for a particular candidate? Just like the ones Clinton was touting early in the campaign?

Yeah, it'll come down to the convention before they can make their selection valid, but still....

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 04/24/2008
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Yep, you're right. Neither will reach 2025 via state-by-state electeds, it will be the supers that push one over. All of the SDs have been heavily trending Obama in the last 3-4 months and will continue to so do and they can take cover behind the elected and popular vote win of Obama as well as the continued endorsements of Dem heavy-hitters, the vast majority of which will likely go to Obama.

All signs point to Pelosi, Dean, Gore, and others pushing hard on the SDs to choose much sooner than later. I live here in Denver, work 1/2 mile from where the Dem Convention will be held in August and I do not want it to be a sideshow in which the Democratic Party hands over the win to McCain via Party infighting and irreparable division.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 04/24/2008
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Yep, you're right. Neither will reach 2025 via state-by-state electeds, it will be the supers that push one over. All of the SDs have been heavily trending Obama in the last 3-4 months and will continue to so do and they can take cover behind the elected and popular vote win of Obama as well as the continued endorsements of Dem heavy-hitters, the vast majority of which will likely go to Obama.

All signs point to Pelosi, Dean, Gore, and others pushing hard on the SDs to declare much sooner than later, for which I would be very happy. If by some miracle it ended up Clinton, fine, let's just decide already. I live here in Denver, work 1/2 mile from where the Dem Convention will be held in August and I do not want it to be a sideshow in which the Democratic Party hands over the win to McCain via Party infighting and irreparable division.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 04/24/2008
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If not Hillary Clinton, who? Your Osama dude? No way Jose!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 04/24/2008
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Wow, I pray that you're not gay, using such inflammatory and clearly bigoted language. I'm embarrassed for you.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 04/24/2008
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Nice fear-inducing (bordering on hate-mongering) name calling. Twice!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 04/24/2008
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Sen. Clinton wants to repeal only a part of DOMA, which could have two possible outcomes. The repeal could prevent conflict between states that have different marriage laws on the books, while leaving the door open for individual states to follow in Massachusetts" footsteps.

However, by only repealing one section of DOMA, states could still continue to reinforce bans on marriage for gay and lesbian couples. The media would do well to remember that even the closest advisors and supporters of the presidential hopefuls can misrepresent the facts when it comes to the candidates" positions on complex issues related to the LGBT community.

http://glaadorg.nexcess.net/defense-of-marriage-act/2008/03/

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 04/24/2008
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Hillary Clinton has pledged to eliminate the disparities for same-sex couples under Federal law, effectively ending the DOMA policy. CBS news covered the story, it was a big announcement, but I guess Obama supporters only read and hear what they want to.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/04/politics/main3993547.shtml

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 04/24/2008