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Evan Bayh Defends Clinton's Iran Talk, Says McCain Beats Bush On Environment

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April 23, 2008 02:20 PM


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Sam Stein is a Political Reporter at the Huffington Post, based in Washington, D.C. Previously he has worked for Newsweek magazine, the New York Daily News and the investigative journalism group Center for Public Integrity. He has a masters from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and is a graduate of Dartmouth College. Sam can be reached at stein@huffingtonpost.com.


Sen. Evan Bayh, Hillary Clinton's chief surrogate in the state of Indiana, defended a pledge made by the New York Democrat to "obliterate" Iran should the country launch a nuclear attack the state of Israel. Though he acknowledged, without provocation, that Clinton's remarks illustrated the dangers of responding to hypothetical questions.

"Now the hypothetical, and maybe this is a good reason why it is best not to respond to hypothetical. If the hypothetical is the nation of Iran wiping out Israel in a nuclear attack, I would hope our president would have a vigorous response to that and not sit idly by and watch millions of people be killed," said Bayh, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee. "In fact, taking a strong stance beforehand probably minimizes a chance of that thing happening. If you give the Iranians any reason to believe there wouldn't be a vigorous response, well, you don't want that to happen."

Bayh offered a similar defense for Clinton's pledge -- made in the recent Democratic debate -- to build an "umbrella of deterrence" for Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the UAE. "If the Iranians try to get a stranglehold on the world's petroleum supplies, through naked aggression, I would hope our country would have a vigorous response to that," he offered.

But the Indiana Democrat did veer slightly from the Clinton talking points path when asked about the other recent campaign flare-up: whether or not it was legitimate for Senator Barack Obama to describe John McCain as an improvement over President Bush. In the days leading up to the Pennsylvania primary, Clinton criticized Obama for favorably comparing the GOP nominee to the president. On Tuesday, however, Bayh acknowledged that, at least on the issue of global warming, McCain would be better than Bush.

"I think that John deserves credit for stepping up on [global warming]," said the Indiana Democrat. "[Comparing him to Bush] is setting the bar pretty low... John is a good person whose service to this country I personally admire."

From there, however, Bayh quickly cast McCain as an extension of the Bush administration.

"What I think [Clinton] was saying was that he apparently has embraced the economic policies of George Bush and the Iraq policies of Dick Cheney and is not really the John McCain of 2000, the iconoclastic outsider and the reformer, some of those vestiges have seemingly dropped away and I think that is unfortunate."

With the Indiana primary approaching in a matter of weeks, Bayh is poised to be a major asset for Clinton in the state. Already an active advocate, the senator had just conducted two television interviews and was on his way to participate in a Clinton campaign conference call when he made time to talk with The Huffington Post. He downplayed the acrimony of the Democratic primary and urged for a resolution of the situations in Florida and Michigan (whose votes weren't officially sanctioned by the DNC) before deciding on a nominee. Overall, he pledged, the party, at least in Indiana, would benefit not suffer from the lengthy process.

"In the long run, this will be good for the party," he said. "Here is the dilemma we face. The Republicans almost always carry Indiana for president but the Democrat almost never tries. And if you don't try, of course you aren't going to win. And so the net result of this primary process, as long as it doesn't become bitterly divisive, is that we have tens of thousands of more volunteers, thousands of new contributors, hundreds of thousands of new voter registrants. And all of that will help with gubernatorial race, congressional races, and in the fall make it more competitive for whoever our nominee is."

 
 

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- maxwellinformed See Profile I'm a Fan of maxwellinformed permalink

Senator Clinton ""obliterate Iran". Senator McCain "make it a hundred". The line keeps blurring between these two.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 04/24/2008
- apduncan1 See Profile I'm a Fan of apduncan1 permalink


Three questions:

1. How may nuclear spies for Iran are in jail in the USA?

2. How many nuclear spies for Israel are in jail in the USA?

3. How many atomic bombs does Israel have?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 04/24/2008
- Blutus See Profile I'm a Fan of Blutus permalink

The most important question is

How many spies doe Israel have in Iran?


They will know sooner than anyone just when Iran is getting ready to paint their brand new
nuclear weapon.

And then they will take it out. Just like they did before.

Everyone needs to realize that the mid-east is festooned with spies from Israel.

Iran is no threat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 04/24/2008
- ramper See Profile I'm a Fan of ramper permalink

I said "nut cases in the Middle East". This applies to any who apply. Right now I think the Iranian leader qualifies. Don't you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 04/24/2008
- bobo209 See Profile I'm a Fan of bobo209 permalink

According to our history books we the americans used the foyst nukes on japan??did iran used any nukes??does the israelis have nukes yess do the invade countries??yess LEBANON..YESS..I rest my caase.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 04/24/2008
- Blutus See Profile I'm a Fan of Blutus permalink

Borat?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 04/24/2008
- bobo209 See Profile I'm a Fan of bobo209 permalink

People the women has fat anckles she can never win..It is a sad day in our great nation s history when the people of america are unable to elect an american president without COMPLYING with the wishes of ZIONIST AIPAC AND ADL TRAITORS..SOOO SADDD..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 04/24/2008
- lysistrata See Profile I'm a Fan of lysistrata permalink

Problem is all three candidates comply with AIPAC. Obama and McCain have been silent as far as I know. The MSM complies with AIPAC, any talking head or journalist ever asked them where they stand on Israel policies?

If you want to hear NEWS and good analysis go to Amy Goodman on DEMOCRACY NOW.

Real journalism, the facts and both sides of the isle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 04/24/2008
- jrutle See Profile I'm a Fan of jrutle permalink

Clinton's comment is a strong reminder of her temperament and judgment, which should worry anyone as to what type of Commander in Chief she'd be. She is not a change candidate when it comes to the use of military force in the middle East and elsewhere. She is prone towards aligning herself with neo-con views of America's power and place in the world, which is breaking our country literally and figuratively. I don't believe she can be trusted to get us out of this Iraq mess that she participated in getting us in to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 04/24/2008
- BubbaC33 See Profile I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 permalink

She gave a specific answer to a hypothetical question. I understand Obama and his supporters do not understand specifics or substance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 04/24/2008
- scooperss See Profile I'm a Fan of scooperss permalink

"If the hypothetical is the nation of Iran wiping out Israel in a nuclear attack, I would hope our president would have a vigorous response to that and not sit idly by and watch millions of people be killed," said Bayh,"

If Iran attacks Israel they will wipe out a lot of innocent people. So clinton's response would be to wipe out millions more innocent people? Warmonger.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 04/24/2008
- osage See Profile I'm a Fan of osage permalink

The biggest "nut case" currently screwing everything up in the Middle East is George W. Bush!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 04/24/2008
- ramper See Profile I'm a Fan of ramper permalink

The nut cases in the Middle East are not deterred by assured destruction. If they have an option to use nuclear weapons it will be the ultimate suicide attack. The necessity is to keep them from obtaining that option.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 04/24/2008
- EspritDeVoltaire See Profile I'm a Fan of EspritDeVoltaire permalink

Only a fool would believe that. I doubt even you believe it, but are simply intent upon spreading hatred and disinformation.

Iran hasn't attacked another country since 1750. The idea of a country committing suicide because of radical views is something only a propagandist would conceive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 04/24/2008
- MikeDu See Profile I'm a Fan of MikeDu permalink

Ramper seems to be unaware that Iran was of vital material support to the U.S. in its 2002 overthrow of the Taliban government. I've seen pictures of an Iranian short-takeoff aircraft supplying logistics support to the Americans. Perhaps ramper simply thinks all Arabs without exception are 'nutcases'. Well, he's still in the wrong. iranians are Persian, not Arab.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 04/24/2008
- ElliotNC See Profile I'm a Fan of ElliotNC permalink

Oh, I forgot I was on Huffington Post, that explains everything. I thought for a moment that I was posting on the NY Times blog and that the body snatchers had come and taken all of the normal thinkers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 AM on 04/24/2008
- ramper See Profile I'm a Fan of ramper permalink

The nut cases in the Middle East would not be deterred by assured destruction. Their use of a nuclear option would be the ultimate suicide attack. The necessity is to keep them from being able to obtain that option.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 AM on 04/24/2008
- Rog49Thomas See Profile I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas permalink

Does the Clinton Doctrine apply to any country that uses nuclear weapons?

If Russia attacks Georgia (the country not the State) with nuclear weapons, will she order the destruction of Russia?

More to the point, If Israel were to attack Iran or one of its Arab neighbors with atomic weapons, would she obliterate Israel?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 AM on 04/24/2008
- ElliotNC See Profile I'm a Fan of ElliotNC permalink

As usual, the intent here seems more geared towards twisting the meaning of specific meaning into a contorted translation that fits the posters' desire to simplify and dismiss.

It's just like twisting every negative into a racist attack.

I do not expect it to end. It is the BO MO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 AM on 04/24/2008
- Rog49Thomas See Profile I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas permalink

I've missed the point of your post.

The point of my post is to suggest that there is a double standard at work here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 04/24/2008
- AlanRogers See Profile I'm a Fan of AlanRogers permalink

Iran can and will defend itself, trust ME:

http://irannegah.com/Video.aspx?id=629

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 AM on 04/24/2008
- Vern58 See Profile I'm a Fan of Vern58 permalink

I have voted for Evan Bayh twice. After this news, never again. His slobbering after the VP slot makes him pavlovian poodle material. This is shameful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 AM on 04/24/2008
- Abie56 See Profile I'm a Fan of Abie56 permalink

Agreed. He appears to be competing with Cheney for the VP slot. E.g., given Hill's now revealed center piece of her Middle East policy, she has adopted Cheney's view and would probably ask him to run with her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 04/24/2008
- BubbaC33 See Profile I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 permalink

She answered a hypothetical question, a what-if sort of thing. You do understand that, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 04/24/2008
- stringer See Profile I'm a Fan of stringer permalink

They're neo-cons. I don't know how long it's going to take people to wake up to this, but Hillary's clearly a pro-war hawk in Democratic clothing.

I like Evan Bayh a lot, but remember his questioning at the Petraeus hearing two weeks ago. He was extremely deferential to the general. He's one of those hard-line Democrats. He's not the type of guy you want to consult on national security, because he's always inevitably going to lean towards the more aggressive side.

Someone REALLY needs to call Hillary to task for these Iran remarks and ask her to explain them.

Threatening a war with Iran is NO joke. And I can't help thinking some of these people who aren't taking it seriously, are the same people who didn't take the run-up to the Iraq War seriously either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 AM on 04/24/2008
- needavid See Profile I'm a Fan of needavid permalink

I agree. Did anyone watch when Putin visited with the president of Iran a few months ago? He made a not-so-veiled threat, that anyone who attacks Iran has to answer to Russia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 04/24/2008
- paixa3 See Profile I'm a Fan of paixa3 permalink

They are neocons indeed. The USA citizens had better start waking up, or shit will really hit the fan.

When will you start throwing these jerks out of congress????? Are there NO talented, honest people left in the USA?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 04/24/2008
- scooperss See Profile I'm a Fan of scooperss permalink

Very few in the government it seems and a lot of blind voters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 04/24/2008
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