Is This The End Of Cheap Food?

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First Posted: 04-23-08 04:24 PM   |   Updated: 05- 1-08 05:12 AM

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Washington Independent:

A sharp spike in prices for wheat, corn, rice and other staples has sparked riots in Mexico and Egypt, marches by hungry children in Yemen and the spectre of starving people in Haiti turning to mud pies for sustenance. This growing unrest is forcing the global community to focus on the causes of higher food costs and what can be done. But it's also raising the troubling possibility that cheap prices for food may be gone for good, an economic relic of the the past.

That scenario would be disastrous for the progress of fighting poverty in poor countries - and it would threaten to halt a long period of rising living standards in the United States tied directly to the inexpensive cost of food.

"Don't look now, but the good times may have just stopped rolling," the economist Paul Krugman wrote in his New York Times column. The Economist was more strident: "The era of cheap food is over," it declared. World Bank President Robert Zoellick, reaching back to policies created during the Great Depression for inspiration to address food inflation, is pushing a "New Deal" for global food policy, aimed at aiding impoverished countries with income support and help in producing crops.

The gloom-and-doom outlooks are prompted by rising prices for commodities, which started increasing steadily in 2001 before suddenly soaring recently. Wheat prices have gone up by 181 percent over the past three years, according to the World Bank; food prices around the globe have risen by 83 percent during the same period. In March, rice prices hit a 19-year high. Corn prices recently rose from $2.50 a bushel three years ago to $6, for the first time. Zoellick has predicted a sustained period of higher food costs, saying he expects prices to remain elevated through next year and stay above 2004 levels for at least the next seven years.

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A sharp spike in prices for wheat, corn, rice and other staples has sparked riots in Mexico and Egypt, marches by hungry children in Yemen and the spectre of starving people in Haiti turning to mud pi...
A sharp spike in prices for wheat, corn, rice and other staples has sparked riots in Mexico and Egypt, marches by hungry children in Yemen and the spectre of starving people in Haiti turning to mud pi...
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- loki I'm a Fan of loki 134 fans permalink
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A couple reasons cheap food is gone for good. Fuel cost. Farm equipment and the trucks to transport food do not get very good fuel mileage. Another reason is because large companies like ADM and ConAgra will take advantage of current situations to increase their prices, whether they can justify it or not. One other reason is that the consumer will not say one word about how prices are raising, at the same time content is lowering. A couple weeks ago on CNBC General Mills bragged how they have been packaging products like Cereal in smaller quantities, and raised the prices to boot, and that the consumer has not complained and profits were up. Check to see what that 12 (now 8)or 16( now 12) oz box of brand name cereal is costing these days. I have seen them lower to as much as 8 oz from 12, and 10 from 16, but the prices just go up. We seem to be as dumb in our consumer lives as we are in our voting political lives. There has to be something you can do, because our wonderful American capitalistic system is not driven by the consumer as the capitalistic supporters like to tell us. It is controlled and driven by the capitalist. They set the price, the quantity, the quality, and the access to it. You only get to choose between what they allow us to choose from. Just like in elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 04/23/2008
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President Bush will save us with more tax cuts for $billionaires!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 04/23/2008
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 134 fans permalink
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Yes, Tax cuts so the elite can buy food without worry of spending their own money. That is the way to salvation!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 04/24/2008

THIS IS THE TO "CHEAP" ANYTHING!!!
The high cost of energy is just BEGINNING to work its way through the economy.
There is NOTHING that will be spared the added expense.

MYOPIC AMERICA is finally going to get it's wake up
SLAP IN THE FACE.

Can YOU deal with it?

Years of the lack of a truly coherent national energy policy are coming home to roost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 04/23/2008
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 134 fans permalink
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You got that right. Corporatoins and elitist have just bitch slapped us hard in the face. And are laughing all the time while they eat high on the hog in their multi million dollar mansions, talking about their multi million, and even billion dollar bonuses they get for screwing the public

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 04/23/2008

When you see this, its evident not only are we in the throws of a serious recession, but headed for a depression. My parents both lived through the depression. To hear them talk, this is the precursor. So much so, they are taking funds from banks and putting them into safer options. Folks, nothing is safe now. If you think you are safe, you are living in lala land. Its like a tornado, or earthquake, its not a matter of if, its a matter of when. When is coming close and carrying a big, mean stick. Bush is going to leave office with the US in financial turmoil, leave us in a war nobody can win, and not so much even get a scratch. If I was a gambler, my bets would be on a depression before the election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 04/23/2008

A word about ethanol. Unless you do the research yourself--and I don't mean sit and read the Oil Industry press releases--because since when did we here on HuffPo believe anything Those guys had to say--you can't have an intelligent discussion. I'll agree that corn's the wrong source, but your argument there is with the corn lobby. Sugar cane and, especially sugar beets, are preferred, with the return blowing anything else out. Ford intended his cars to run on alcohol and farmers to co-op the production to support their prices while becoming little filling stations. What you probably didn't know is that Rudolf Diesel built his engines to run on bio-fuels exclusively! These guys were ahead of their time. In fact, Ford foresaw the day when gasoline would become a national security problem with too much dependency on foreign supply--and this when it was still cheap and plentiful!

I'm still learning about it, but check out this site--

http://www.iowacorn.org/ethanol/documents/TopTenMythsCornEthanol_000.pdf

Remember, less than 12% of the nation's corn goes to human consumption, and that ethanol uses only the starch, leaving behind over 16 pounds of food grade waste and corn oil for each bushel, and that the intensive farming practices utilize the latest in non-till (a great Univ of Nebraska breakthrough) that preserves soil and nutrients. Check it out! Don't buy into the anti-ethanol rant the way so many believe this food shortage lie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 04/23/2008
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 134 fans permalink
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I agree with you that sugar is the best source for ethanol. But just like ADM worked and lobbied long and hard to make sure Sugar was more costly than corn syrup, I am sure they will lobby against sugar as the primary source for Ethanol. My biggest problem with ethanol, and its been proven time and time again by universities and outside sources not related to the corn industry, like Iowa is,
But it takes more ethanol to produce the same efficiency as gas. Your fuel mileage lowers exponentially depending on the percentage of ethanol added. [Look it up, Im not going to supply all the links right now] Its also well published that even if we would farm every inch of open ground in the US, that includes yards, parking lots, everything without a building on it, we still could not produce enough to offset oil by more than 40%.
Considering the lower mileage and higher food prices, and pump prices ( as those wont fall due to ethanol) the worse fuel economy , vs, not being as dependent on oil producers, and less pollution and harm to the environment. I am not sure what is the advantage at this time to ethanol.
Food shortages , higher prices, lower mileage = more consumption = more production= even more food shortages. I think ethanol, if done properly, could help. But energy for cars at the cost of energy for lives???? I dont see the advantages.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 04/24/2008

this is not important to anyone ... let's have more Reverend Wright, more Bitter, more He's too black to win ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 04/23/2008
- BushBites I'm a Fan of BushBites 31 fans permalink

Check this out.

Sam's Club is rationing rice.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/23/usa2

(i think Bush has turned us into the old Soviet Union)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 04/23/2008
- BushBites I'm a Fan of BushBites 31 fans permalink

Food would be cheaper and more plentiful if Americans moved away from a meat-based diet.

You can feed a lot of families on the corn or grain you give to one cow or hog.

(Not to mention the fact that factory farms are notorious polluters and produce more CO2 than the transportation industry.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 04/23/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 305 fans permalink

Actaully we are gentically engineered to eat meat. Grains have only been in our diet for around 20,000 years. Our eyes face forward because we were hunters. Its the carbs we convert to fat and store, not fat or protien. High amounts of protein and fat were what lead to the development of large brains.

However eating more fruits and vegetables are good... corn, not so good.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 04/23/2008
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I agree about the corn, but you don't *need* meat.
BushBites is right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 04/23/2008
- Exusian I'm a Fan of Exusian 27 fans permalink

Make that 12,000 to 10,000 years, or since the end of the last ice age.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Revolution
In fact, everything we know of as civilization has developed since the last ice age.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 04/23/2008

And the coolest part of that whole equation is that the greatest brain evolution and growth took place on or near sea coasts, where fish and shellfish--remember brain-food?--were plentiful. Interesting article in Nat. Geog. a few months back all about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 04/23/2008
- apoyo I'm a Fan of apoyo 41 fans permalink

and methane

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 04/24/2008

People, don't forget rice milk. It can sit on the shelf for a year and still be good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 04/23/2008
- apoyo I'm a Fan of apoyo 41 fans permalink

I just heard Sam's Club is rationing certain types of rice. Only so much per person.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 04/23/2008
- apoyo I'm a Fan of apoyo 41 fans permalink

Looks like it's time to start your victory gardens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 04/23/2008
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 255 fans permalink
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One word soylent green

oops I meant two

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 04/23/2008
- apoyo I'm a Fan of apoyo 41 fans permalink

That's what Ted Turner said on Charlie Rose. That we would become cannibals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 04/23/2008

Exactly. It is called OVERPOPULATION! There are 6 billion of us in the world. That is just crazy. Overpopulation is the pink elephant in the room that NOBODY wants to talk about. Especially no religion.

All those people need to be fed, need shelter, and need access to energy. And we already draining the planet. So what happens when we hit 9, 10 billion?

It is so basic. If I have a bag that fits 5 pounds, I can't fit 10 lbs in a bag.

BIRTH CONTROL PEOPLE!

Then you have people saying we need to go hunt wolves down in Idaho because there are like, 3,000 of them, and they are so overpopulated. Hello - we are the most overpopulated species on the planet.

Haven't we had enough of each other?

We need to learn to control growth. We are already seeing the beginning of this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 04/23/2008

So let's give more tax breaks for additional dependents. And what about those rights for the unborn!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 04/24/2008
- vandegrasse I'm a Fan of vandegrasse 204 fans permalink
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Six words. Soylent green made from rich people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 AM on 04/24/2008

Thank you econuts for the ethanol scam and encouraging government subsidies to grow corn only. It's a lose-lose senario no matter how you slice it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 04/23/2008
- strifeknot I'm a Fan of strifeknot 14 fans permalink

Get your facts straight. It was agribusiness and the corn lobby pushing for corn subsidies and ethanol, not environmentalists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 04/23/2008
- BushBites I'm a Fan of BushBites 31 fans permalink

Agribusiness is also behind bans on imported sugar, so they can sell their corn syrup that's making everybody fat and hypoglycemic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 04/23/2008
- Wiredwilly I'm a Fan of Wiredwilly 23 fans permalink

Hyper inflation in Weimar Germany had nothing to do with ethanol. Ethanol production would effect the price of corn, but not the price of anything else. The Oil Cartel is placing the blame for Global food prices on the environmentalist and ethanol to divert attention from the reality that the rising price of food is due to the devaluation of the dollar due to grotesque spending of fica currency. Americans will continue to cheer for Hillary, Obama, and McCain as the Nation continues to collapse. The debt will soon pass $10 Trillion with interest accumulating, the dollar will continue to plunge soon causing a period of hyper inflation until there is total panic, at which point the Central Bankers will ask the President to declare Marshall Law and they will drop the dollar for the creation of the Amero. Your Constitutional rights will be forgotten in the stampede and there will be the possibility of World War lll. OR people can stop acting like children and take Ron Paul, Aaron Russo, and Dennis Kucinich SERIOUSLY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 04/23/2008
- Exusian I'm a Fan of Exusian 27 fans permalink

Maybe not one of the sheep, but not a bright light either.
It's not econuts pushing the ethanol scam, it's the likes of ADM and Cragill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 04/23/2008
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Depends what one means by food.

Cheap edible proteins can be easily grown and harvested from garbage dumps.
No, I don't mean stray dogs, cats and rats, although those are viable alternatives.
I am talking about our invertabrate friends, earthworms, grubs, larger beetles.
Many other cultures consider these delicacies, so the revulsion is only cultural.

And many vegetables are also available, if one knows where to look. Dandelions, for example are cultivated in many parts of the world and used in salads. The inner bark of many trees are also edible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 04/23/2008
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"Bread and circuses" No more cheep food, but we still have NASCAR

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 04/23/2008
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 255 fans permalink
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Nachos and NASCAR

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 04/23/2008
- joyf1 I'm a Fan of joyf1 21 fans permalink
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And don't forget professional wrestling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 04/23/2008

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjglr1khODs

Listen and learn, you will know why prices are going up and you will know why we are in trouble today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 04/23/2008
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wRong Paul (R-TX) has all the answers.
Why are you people so stupid?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 04/23/2008

HAHAHA, how clever you are with your w at the start of his name, did it take you all day to think of that.

He is right on every issue. You are the moron here.

See it got the immature little Johnny boy up set that these video's made a lot of sense and people might figure something out. ITs called taking your medicine. I Doubt Johnny boy even watched them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 04/23/2008

How clever you are with your little w at the beginning of his name, I bet you didn't even watch the video's because he is absolutely right. People like your are scared that he may make some sense to the people on this board or you would not have responded so immaturely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 04/23/2008

How clever you are with the w at the beginning of his name. People will learn from these video's and it will be good if they can understand. You have nothing real to say because he is right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 04/23/2008

He's right and you do not like it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 04/23/2008
- vandegrasse I'm a Fan of vandegrasse 204 fans permalink
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Oh, he does not. Shut up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 AM on 04/24/2008
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