McCain opposes equal pay bill in Senate

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LIBBY QUAID | 04/23/08 10:57 PM | AP

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Lisa Workman, of Inez, Ky, greets Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., left, after a news conference outside the Old Martin County Courthouse, Wednesday, April 23, 2008, in Inez, Kentucky during his "It's Time for Action" campaign tour. (AP Photo/Mary Altaffer)

NEW ORLEANS — Republican Sen. John McCain, campaigning through poverty-stricken cities and towns, said Wednesday he opposes a Senate bill that seeks equal pay for women because it would lead to more lawsuits.

Senate Republicans killed the bill Wednesday night on a 56-42 vote that denied the measure the 60 votes needed to advance it to full debate and a vote. Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., had delayed the vote to give McCain's Democratic rivals, Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama, time to return to Washington to support the measure, which would make it easier for women to sue their employers for pay discrimination.

McCain skipped the vote to campaign in New Orleans.

"I am all in favor of pay equity for women, but this kind of legislation, as is typical of what's being proposed by my friends on the other side of the aisle, opens us up to lawsuits for all kinds of problems," the expected GOP presidential nominee told reporters. "This is government playing a much, much greater role in the business of a private enterprise system."

The bill sought to counteract a Supreme Court decision limiting how long workers can wait before suing for pay discrimination.

It is named for Lilly Ledbetter, a supervisor at the Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co.'s plant in Gadsden, Ala., who sued for pay discrimination just before retiring after a 19-year career there. By the time she retired, Ledbetter made $6,500 less than the lowest-paid male supervisor and claimed earlier decisions by supervisors kept her from making more.

The Supreme Court voted 5-4 last year to throw out her complaint, saying she had waited too long to sue.

Democrats criticized McCain for opposing the bill.

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"Senator McCain has yet again fallen in line with President Bush while middle-class families are falling by the wayside," Clinton said in a statement following the vote. "Women are earning less, but Senator McCain is offering more of the same."

Democratic National Committee spokeswoman Karen Finney said: "At a time when American families are struggling to keep their homes and jobs while paying more for everything from gasoline to groceries, how on Earth would anyone who thinks they can lead our country also think it's acceptable to oppose equal pay for America's mothers, wives and daughters?"

McCain stated his opposition to the bill as he campaigned in rural eastern Kentucky, where poverty is worse among women than men. The Arizona senator said he was familiar with the disparity but that there are better ways to help women find better paying jobs.

"They need the education and training, particularly since more and more women are heads of their households, as much or more than anybody else," McCain said. "And it's hard for them to leave their families when they don't have somebody to take care of them.

"It's a vicious cycle that's affecting women, particularly in a part of the country like this, where mining is the mainstay; traditionally, women have not gone into that line of work, to say the least," he said.

McCain chose to visit the tiny hamlet of Inez, Ky., because it is where President Lyndon B. Johnson declared war on poverty. But McCain said Johnson's poverty programs had failed.

"I wouldn't be back here today if government had fulfilled the promise that Lyndon Johnson made 44 years ago," he said.

In recent weeks, McCain has proposed a series of tax breaks for corporations, doubling the dependent child tax exemption, government-backed refinancing for struggling homeowners and a summer holiday from gas taxes. He proposed another new program Wednesday: a tax write-off for companies that provide high-speed Internet access for underserved, low-income communities.

NEW ORLEANS — Republican Sen. John McCain, campaigning through poverty-stricken cities and towns, said Wednesday he opposes a Senate bill that seeks equal pay for women because it would lead to ...
NEW ORLEANS — Republican Sen. John McCain, campaigning through poverty-stricken cities and towns, said Wednesday he opposes a Senate bill that seeks equal pay for women because it would lead to ...
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- lysistrata I'm a Fan of lysistrata 19 fans permalink

What is really amazing is the fact that he thinks the people are so stupid they will vote for him anyway. On second thought, maybe he is right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 04/24/2008
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Time for Old John to park the bus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 04/24/2008
- torrrep I'm a Fan of torrrep 12 fans permalink

Should Katie Couric have her pay decreased since she makes WAY more than most male anchors? Should all women make the same as all men REGARDLESS of performance, length of time on the job, etc.? You should all be HAPPY this didn't pass. Don't get me wrong. I am all for equal pay with ALL considerations being equal. But legislation will not fix that. It is not the job of Congress to determine if employees A was doing the same exact work, had the same attendance, put in the same hours, had the same work performance, had the same attitude, had the same work experience, had the same education,etc. as employee B. That is determined by the employer. Any one can say "well he is a manager and so am I, so I deserve the same pay". It doesn't work like that. I worked in a factory for over five years and everyone got the same pay regardless of what job they did. Was it fair for those that had backbreaking jobs to be paid the same as those that had easy jobs? Some of you people really need to wake up and stop thinking of everything in the terms of " democrat good" and "republican bad". Regardless of the rules of the senate, it still is on the record that Harry Reid voted against it. So let's hear all the Harry Reid name calling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 04/24/2008
- renoir I'm a Fan of renoir 18 fans permalink

Legislation is where it starts, courtrooms are where it's enforced. Are you really saying that we should leave the issue of equal pay up to corporatio­ns... or are we a country that evolves, recognizes inequities and makes it a level playing field by law? Are you really saying that companies can be trusted to pay people equally based on performance? We need the laws in place so we have the structure for enforcement. Your factory job sounds just... odd. I've never heard of a company where the white collars earned the same as the blue collars and the unskilled got paid the same as the veteran workers. Did you have profit sharing? Were there no time-in raises? Were there no incentive raises? And if not... how did they keep their workers... outside of economic need on the part of the employees? Did you leave because their wage system was terrible and inequitable? And don't you think that you would of PREFERRED a better system with a better wage structure? And who would provide that... the factory? On it's own, or by force with laws that protect the workers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 04/24/2008

Equal pay is up to the workers. If you don't like how the company is treating you; get another job. People need to stand up for themselves. People need to stop using the government as their crutch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 04/24/2008
- torrrep I'm a Fan of torrrep 12 fans permalink

I'm not saying that the corporation has the final say. The courts do. And laws are already in place to prevent these problems. What I am saying is that I think the corporations know better than Congress does. Democratic congressmen are NOT concerned with "equal pay for equal work". They are just concerned with "equal pay". I say let the the courts apply the laws that are ALREADY in place to prevent this discrimination. There is no need for a new law. This is just a Democrat ploy to make Republicans look bad and to court women voters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 AM on 04/25/2008
- mari2JJ I'm a Fan of mari2JJ 39 fans permalink

You are confusing the issue. This woman had the very same evaluations as her male counterparts but they did not give her equal raises. male counterparts, no matter the equal scoring on her objective evaluation. I worked for a group in East Texas who got caught in this same situation,. The company gave ALL white people raises and denied raises for their black employees with the same evaluation score. This was done on the issue of race. That company suffered huge fines, was actually administered by the court until they proved they could be trusted to treat employees equally based on merit. To blur the issue with these red herrings is the work of folks like McCain. He feels it is the right of employers to treat employees in any disgusting manner they please. Unfortunately, this court loaded by this Bushie Administration has forgotten the "equal protection" clause of our Constitution even though the far right constantly yammers about following the Constitution. They are actually in favor of situational compliance with that great document, our Constitution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 04/24/2008
- torrrep I'm a Fan of torrrep 12 fans permalink

I am not denying that happens. Actually I am positive that it does. What I am saying is that there are already laws in place for that and the court system is already in place to hear those particular cases. The job of congress is not to enforce laws but to make laws. It is the job of the courts to enforce laws. What you are asking for is ALREADY law. In fact there are SEVERAL laws. There is the Equal Pay Act of 1963. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967. And finally, Title I of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. This idea that we need more laws to enforce the laws we already have is ridiculous. McCain was right in being against this bill. It is UNNECESSARY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 AM on 04/25/2008
- czp I'm a Fan of czp permalink

I've seen the inequality in pay in action - worked at a law firm where two, sincle 1st year attorneys were paid more for a starting salary than a 3 year female attorney with more experience and 4 kids--- nobody is asking for a free ride - but pay should be equal. How does McCain explain paying women who are trained less than their male counterparts? And how would he relate that to being a POW to avoid answering. . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 04/24/2008
- GeoLee I'm a Fan of GeoLee 63 fans permalink

A number of years ago my school system had what we referred to as "penis pay" where merely for having one, the men received several hundred more dollars a year in their base salary. "It was based on the thought that they "supported families" but that did not pass muster to some who worked in a math department with two gay men and one single. Eventually the system equalized the teacher pay by keeping the men at a pay rate and adding two hundred dollars a year until the female group finally got equal pay for equal work. An, to clarify, neither sex they did any extra duties that were not compensated for by additional addendum contracts, so they absolutely had equal jobs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 04/24/2008
- torrrep I'm a Fan of torrrep 12 fans permalink

McCain never said there was no inequality. But if you bothered to research a little bit you would find that there are already laws in place to protect people from this. Secondly your example has holes in it. Experience doesn't mean everything. I've had jobs where myself and a colleague (both males) were hired on the same date with the same experience background. I found out later he got more money than I did. Why? Simple. He asked for more. So should I be able to file a law suit because I got what I asked for? If you think you are being paid unfairly then take them to court. The laws in place will take care of that. This was not about passing a law for women. This was about Congress not liking how a certain court ruled on a particular case.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 AM on 04/25/2008
- JadedAggie I'm a Fan of JadedAggie 9 fans permalink

The women did take them to court and the court ruled she waited to long to sue. They had no legal basis for their decision as precedent AND the bill itself provided no provisions for their decision. Congress is well within it's rights to revise the law in order to provide the protections they intended for the bill to originally provide. Our conservative Supreme Court did exactly what they accused the liberal court before them of doing, legislating from the bench.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 04/25/2008
- Lexie I'm a Fan of Lexie 9 fans permalink

This not-very-bright, addled man is saying this about women?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 04/24/2008
- GV97 I'm a Fan of GV97 3 fans permalink

I hope the women who support Sen.Clinto­n and say that they will vote for Sen.McCain if Sen.Obama is the Democratic nominee...­. will take notice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 04/24/2008
- GeoLee I'm a Fan of GeoLee 63 fans permalink

Did I not red he refers to them by the c word?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 04/24/2008
- missmarple I'm a Fan of missmarple 2 fans permalink

That's how he refers to his wife. Some women just lap it up though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 04/25/2008

This is off subject but pertinent because men decide for women and that is Roe VS Wade. I am not advocating abortion simply asking why men have the right to tell women what they can do with their bodies?

This is America where women should be able to decide for themselves what they must do in any situation that involves their lives. Has the government ever passed legislation about men's bodies?

Abortion is an issue that should be made by each woman for their own circumstances and moral guidance not a government legislated mandate.

Unless women are recognized as equals in all of society we will continuly lose more rights. We need two more women on the Supreme Court and the next president may well decide our fate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 04/24/2008
- torrrep I'm a Fan of torrrep 12 fans permalink

It's not about "circumstances". Killing a baby to suit your "circumstances" is appalling. Yet it is legal. However, I do find it to be a little bit hypocritical that someone who thinks laws should not be made to force women to be mothers, yet we have laws forcing men to be fathers. Where is the equality in that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 AM on 04/25/2008

McCain shows his elitist side with this vote. The problem is not that women need more education and training - he doesn't or he ignores the facts. Equal pay is for equal work, experience and education and women still get paid less.

Many years ago I worked for a corporation where I had more experience, more education and more work because I had a larger area to run than a teenage boy fresh out of high school and married with his teen bride pregnant. I was married with one child in college and one in high school and this boy received a higher salary than myself. I asked our district manager why - his very words were that this young man had a family to support. It didn't matter if he had any experience, education or brains since the young man only had to open the front door and ring out the register at the end of the day and that his only prior experience was at some fast food window. I gave my notice and started my own business and have not looked back. There are many women in this same situation all across this country and many that are single parents.

McCain is a disgrace and totally out of touch with working women across this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 04/24/2008
- torrrep I'm a Fan of torrrep 12 fans permalink

The point of the matter is did you read the bill and are you aware that there are ALREADY laws in place protecting equal pay? Did you bother looking it up? Did you know that if someone can PROVE that they are paid unequally that they can sue? So why is McCain elitist for not wanting to waste time passing a law that has ALREADY BEEN PASSED? You say McCain is out of touch. I suggest YOU are out of touch and need to do a little research.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 AM on 04/25/2008
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If Obama made a statement like this the media would blow it up like they did the bitter comments..­.but he will get a pass...

is this guy living under a rock or what

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 04/24/2008
- srtjsrtj I'm a Fan of srtjsrtj 2 fans permalink

Will the Real John McCain Please Stand Up Here's his record and these are few

Voted Against Civil Rights Bill (Went to MLK WIth A Straight Face and said he should have voted for MLK Day never apologized for voting against this bill.)

Voted Against MLK Day

Refused to go back to Washington on Thursday to Vote to give Women Rights For Equal Pay on the same jobs as MEN (Said they need more Training) Women are you really listening?

Refuses to Support the GI Bill to significantly improve the lives and families life of our HEROES and their families but insist that he will keep sending them to was.

Voted Against Tax Cuts For The Rich 2001 before he's now decided to Vote for them

Voted Against All Katrina Bills to give Victims any kind of relief. Went to New Orleans with a Straight Face and Bad Mouth the President when he voted against every bill (today said he's for the poor?). The motto is don't believe his record believe what he tells the public while he's campaigning.

His stragety we are told is to let the Media keep telling us what he's says everyday he's on the campaign trail and have the Media ignore His actual record on these matters. The Media fell right in line. Americans are smarter than that. Too bad he thought Amreicans did not have the INTELECT to do our home work and find out his REAL POSITIONS.­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 04/27/2008
- brainlego I'm a Fan of brainlego 2 fans permalink

Go all the way, support what Coulter has said, stop women from voting... back to the days when women were only home taking care of children and doing her duty in the kitchen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 04/24/2008
- GeoLee I'm a Fan of GeoLee 63 fans permalink

Let's start first with having Ann Coulter quit working and save all of us some disgusting moments in a day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 04/24/2008
- haleywins I'm a Fan of haleywins 2 fans permalink

He is on the McCain poverty tour.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 04/24/2008
- Jtt I'm a Fan of Jtt 39 fans permalink
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and McCain looks like he ages one more year every day!

His med alert bracelet says "keep in a cool, dry place" and "please do not bury"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 04/24/2008
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I just wish they'd add "DNR" to his bracelet..­.......and I don't mean "donor"...­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 04/24/2008
- Jtt I'm a Fan of Jtt 39 fans permalink
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There we go "if Hillary isn't nominated Im voting for McCain" proclaimers, Theres your man,

and

I guess you agree with him that if women were not so stupid perhaps she would have won.

Burn those bridges and destroy the party because YOU know whats best for everyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 04/24/2008
- PatCroft I'm a Fan of PatCroft 16 fans permalink
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You know what a travesty this is: The highest court in this land set 180 day standard to file a law suit for these kinds of cases which Ledbetter did not meet in the Ledbetter v. Goodyear case.

Perhaps we should legislate the same standard on the Supreme Court and give them 180 days to review such cases or else. Yet it actually took years to get to the Supreme Court review.

Then the Senate steps in to correct this mistake. Well what do you know! Go figure! Can the Senate step up to the plate and fix this problem. Well evidently not with jack asses like this yokel with the other 56 senators representing for the people within the Senate.

The principal problem is we have a whole bunch of higher authorities making these kinds of decisions who are well enough off who will never likely find themselves in this kind of plight. Beside it would probably take several 180 day periods to find someone that could represent the plaintiff.

The second problem is how much this discourages legal professionals in accepting these kind of cases.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 04/24/2008

Anyone who has lived and worked in Arizona, McCain's state, can fill you in on the chronic low wages, lack of benefits and sketchy education system there. It is a state of extreme divergence between the rich and the poor and very ugly poverty has prevailed and grown there during McShame's representation. Bu-uuut, no pork barrel spending..­.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 04/24/2008
- renoir I'm a Fan of renoir 18 fans permalink

Yes, I live in Arizona. In our rural community the starting wages for certified school teachers is $23,000. Can you even believe that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 04/24/2008
- jimpryor99 I'm a Fan of jimpryor99 4 fans permalink

He voted against it because it was bad law. Not because women deserve less money. You can't legislate equal pay. Equal work EARNS equal pay. Period. Case closed. Show me a female policeman that earns less than a male policeman of equal rank. Show me a female soldier that earns less than a male soldier of equal rank. Show me a female firefighter that earns less than a male firefighter.

But I'll tell you this: The qualification test for females in ALL OF THOSE career fields is lower. Interesting little fact....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 04/24/2008

You must live in a fantasy world. Equal work does not necessarily mean equal pay. There are racist, sexist, and good ole boys at all levels of corporate world who act irrationally. Their -isms overshadow good business policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 04/24/2008
- renoir I'm a Fan of renoir 18 fans permalink

Many of my women friends who work for the federal government (National Park Service and National Forest Service) didn't even get the opportunity to work in any of the seasonal federal jobs that later led to careers with the Park Service for their male peers ... while men like my (hard-working, educated, fabulous and not sexist) husband had the chance to train and move up the ladder in his youth... AND he completely recognizes the sexism in the system. You are a fool to believe your own statements.

And the qualifications for those fields are not LOWER as you say, but DIFFERENT. After all, my 6'2" husband can lift way more than I can, but that does not necessarily mean that he's a better worker than myself at 5'2". It's the quality of the intellect, the drive and the motivation in a worker that makes them good... not their brute strength, and these organizations have seen the wisdom of qualifying their requirements to sensible levels for both genders. You are SO 1950s.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 04/24/2008
- readreza I'm a Fan of readreza 4 fans permalink

how have you and some other posters missed the fact that the comparison are between male and female employees of equal eduction, training, capability­... the women are earning less because they are women, NOT because they're in need of training. What they're in need of is equality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 04/24/2008
- TXfemmom I'm a Fan of TXfemmom 195 fans permalink

You are an idiot jimpryor. This law was not about legislating equal pay. This woman had done the same exact work, had excellent evaluations, and had spent her career making far less than every man there, including those with less experience, less training, and less skill at the job. The Supreme Court ruled that she couldn't sue because she didn't discover that until late into the situation.

I as a medical professional, and was put into a situation where I was given information to compare salaries within the department and discovered that every woman in the department was making less than men with comparable experience, education, and equal work responsibilities. There were eight of us, six women and two men who did extremely delicate procedures and I discovered that the two men, with less experience, and who could not do procedures that I and two of the women did, made several thousand dollars more than all of the women, even those with as much as ten yars of experience more than they. The same inequity was department wide.

I also had the work evaluations, and I had the top one in the department for six years but all these men were making more money. When confronted, administration first lied, and then tried to justify it by saying that the men were given larger raises because they had families to support, even though some were SINGLE. We had to threaten to sue to get them to correct the situation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 04/24/2008
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