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Bill Clinton Former Adviser: Hillary Should Have Gone Negative Sooner

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April 24, 2008 03:48 PM


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Sam Stein is a Political Reporter at the Huffington Post, based in Washington, D.C. Previously he has worked for Newsweek magazine, the New York Daily News and the investigative journalism group Center for Public Integrity. He has a masters from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and is a graduate of Dartmouth College. Sam can be reached at stein@huffingtonpost.com.


Some Democratic officials are cringing over the negative tone that the primary race between Sens. Obama and Clinton has taken, worried about party cohesion in the fall. But if Doug Schoen, the prominent pollster and former adviser to President Bill Clinton, had been steering the reigns of the Clinton campaign he would have advised the Senator to have gone "negative" much earlier and more often.

"Absolutely, I think they should have done it earlier," said Schoen, the estranged partner of Mark Penn, and founder of Penn Schoen and Berland Associates. "I think they waited too long. And I think they've seen the benefits in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Texas."

Schoen wouldn't elaborate on whom, exactly, was to blame for that decision, saying he was not working with the campaign. But going forward he hoped that the point had been made. As he wrote in a separate blog for the Huffington Post on Thursday:

"The lessons of Pennsylvania are clear... [Clinton] must continue on a negative or a comparative theme if she is to win the upcoming primaries. After running a negative campaign, candidates are frequently tempted to turn back to a positive track to avoid criticism from the media. Given the deficit that Senator Clinton faces in states won, the popular vote and pledged delegates, she does not have this luxury. She must continue to draw contrasts with Senator Obama, raise questions about the nature and extent of his associations with Reverend Wright and terrorist leader William Ayers, and raise more questions about his values in comparison with hers."

But didn't this all have a horrific downside, mainly Clinton's low approval and trustworthy ratings? Yes, Schoen argued, but it was a step (or electoral leap-of-faith) that the Senator had to make. "When you go negative you take the benefits and the risks," he said. "And that may well be one of the risks and it will depend on how you go negative and what you say. You literally pay your money and take your chances."

Indeed, Schoen, who authored the book "Declaring Independence: The Beginning of the End of the Two-Party System," sees a "self-correcting" mechanism to negative campaigning that ultimately determines the flow of the race. And, as such, he argued that Obama, too, should highlight "the ample issues" where he and Clinton contrasted. If the voters think either candidate went too far, they will let it be known at the polls.

"I think there is a beneficial aspect for the body politic. We air our differences, we present contrasts, we make clear to the American people where we agree and disagree and where the flashpoints are," he said. "So I think that going negative, going positive, going comparative, it is all good, there is no acceptable or unacceptable. And more debate is better than less debate. That is my posture."

There were some ethical lines that Schoen cautioned shouldn't be crossed. "I wouldn't say everything is fair game. Racism, homophobia and sexism are not appropriate or constructive," he said. And if the Democrats were to avoid these sensitive areas, in the long run, there would be enough time to get their house in order.

"I think there is time to repair," he said, "and now it is even more compelling that one way or another they have to run together: Clinton-Obama or Obama-Clinton."

 
 

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- M.S. Bellows, Jr. - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of M.S. Bellows, Jr. permalink

How could she have gone negative sooner? She's already four years ahead of the election she's trying to win -- in 2012!

Seriously: since she has no chance of winning this year, and since she won't ever be President if Obama wins next November and is the incumbent in 2012 (she'll be 68 and probably out of the running in 2016), can there be any question that all she's doing now is building her machine for next time and doing her best to make sure Obama doesn't win?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 04/25/2008
- NoSillyName See Profile I'm a Fan of NoSillyName permalink

Why isn't the case of Paul vs. Clinton being mentioned more often? Preliminary hearings were supposed to start two days after the PA primary, that would have been yesterday. Did it happen? Doing a search on the topic yields a lot of information on the case, but I don't see anything about the prelims having taken place.

Here is the full complaint:

http://www.paulvclinton.com/pp_complaint_022504_njw.pdf

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 04/25/2008
- booker52 See Profile I'm a Fan of booker52 permalink

No, she should shut up about Obama and get on with the issues. I for one am tired of hearing this person harp on about him. I even email her about this. But her being hard headed, who knows if she will even listen. Maybe if eough people emai her on this she will stop. It's a turn off for me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 04/25/2008
- gregjones See Profile I'm a Fan of gregjones permalink

From Blacks4Barack...CALL DNC TODAY !!! Stress THE FACT !! Clinton Has Lost ENTIRE BLACK VOTE !

While the media is dissecting the demographics, for some reason they keep leaving one verrrrry important statistic out of their breakdown. The Major Fact Is.....BILLARY HAS ALIENATED AND LOST THE ENTIRE BLACK VOTE ! Where's THAT fact ? And they have the gall to think that they can claim her to be more electable to superdelegates.......with close to zero black support !!! Hillary Clinton is the first democratic presidential nominee in modern day history to lose the entire black vote ! That, too, is a fact !

It is time for EVERYONE to contact the DNC and every superdelegate and remind them that due to her own actions HILLARY HAS LOST THE ENTIRE BLACK VOTE ! SPEAK OUT !!!!

Call The DNC TODAY at 202-863-8000 or contact them at Democrats.org.

This is in no way meant to be racial. We are all in this together....blacks, whites, young, old, rich and poor......working together for a better America. But the fact that Hillary Clinton (wife of 'The First Black President', who started this campaign with 82% of the black support) has lost the support of an entire race of people....is not only pitiful.....but should be made....a very well known FACT !

Visit: Blacks4Barack.org
(A Multi-Racial Organization...Dedicated To Truth !)

SHARE THIS EVERYWHERE !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 04/25/2008
- anotherbozo See Profile I'm a Fan of anotherbozo permalink

Schoen: Obama won Texas. Read a paper once in a while.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 04/25/2008
- CTmom13 See Profile I'm a Fan of CTmom13 permalink

From Marc Ambinder at The Atlantic.com
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/04/the_superdelegate_connundrum.php

So if Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC), who comes close to calling former President Clinton a racist, who believes that African Americans think that the Clintons "are committed to doing everything they possibly can to damage Obama to a point that he could never win," who says these things in multiple venues (Reuters, the New York Times).... still won't endorse and still won't call for Clinton to drop out, should it surprise us that other superdelegates are even more shy?

What is wrong here? Do the Clinton"s have stuff on these Supers? Do they THREATEN them? How democratic is this Democratic party?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 04/25/2008
- Grunty1 See Profile I'm a Fan of Grunty1 permalink

Actually, I agree with this. Since Hillary's extreme negativity has been a self inflicting wound, she would be even further behind if she started sooner and would now be out of the race...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 04/25/2008
- BlueOnBlue See Profile I'm a Fan of BlueOnBlue permalink

A vote for Hillary is a vote for guys like Schoen to be part of her administration. That's the payoff for them and it is the threat we face.

Hillary is running a negative campaign based on guilt by association. Well, look at her close associates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 04/25/2008
- DavidJohnston See Profile I'm a Fan of DavidJohnston permalink

The problem here is the idea that she has been negative at all. She hasn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 04/25/2008
- xmw See Profile I'm a Fan of xmw permalink


ENDORSING YOUR REPUBLICAN OPPONENT OVER YOUR SAME PARTY RIVAL. LYING ON HIM REPEATEDLY. THISGUYS RIGHT AND YOU'RE AN IDIOT!!! MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE HE VP AS YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO PROBLEM SINKING TO HER LEVEL, OH BUT WAIT SHE WON'T BE PRESIDENT. BUTTHAT SHOULDN'T BOTHER YOU AS YOU ARE PROBABLY GOING TO VOTE MCCAIN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 04/25/2008
- rjean See Profile I'm a Fan of rjean permalink

i am voting for mccain because the two t wits on the left dont know which end is up....


you can only spin for so long before your ignorance surfaces....right obama???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 04/25/2008
- SUSZANNE56 See Profile I'm a Fan of SUSZANNE56 permalink

I only clicked on this article because I thought it was Karl Rove and wondered when was he an advisor to Clinton... I guess it's true everyone has a twin somewhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 04/25/2008
- Viper See Profile I'm a Fan of Viper permalink

The Key point of this to Clinton supporters who also say Barrack went negative or is more negative... which even the NY Times disagrees with, who endorsed Hillary and has said its her campaign that stinks ...Well here we have a Clinton insider , an expert saying who has really gone negative and why... she could not win in a clean campaign... Just like BUSH could not win in a clean campaign against Kerry.

Embracy Hillary is embracy ROVE politics. The end justifies the means! If you support Hillary... Well you have lost the right to complain about wedge issues, Rove politics and sadly even racism. Winning is everything afterall!

We have created a world of sound bytes for the ingnorant and can nolonger have a meaningful discussion on anything. We are doomed! Even if we wanted an informed electorate.. in a world of sound bites, thats not possible,

Tonight I heard Congressman, TV Host talking about the high price of gas... not one mentioned that most of the increase is due to the devalution of the dollar caused by huge trade deficts and huge budget deficits. Why, because they are all complicit in it. its easier to blame it on increased demand around the world, not that the dollar simply buys 60% less. Mostly a free trade problem like the drop of real wages and the effects on those bitter working class people who again will vote based on religion issues or guns while their pockets are being picked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 AM on 04/25/2008
- indiethinker See Profile I'm a Fan of indiethinker permalink

How do pathetic, cynical, political hatchet men like this sleep at night? If Democratic voters & superdelegates allow themselves to fall prey to this type of slime & nominate Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Party is doomed. I will be among the millions to leave the party & vote for "none of the above" in November...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 AM on 04/25/2008
- Bill3rdterm See Profile I'm a Fan of Bill3rdterm permalink

Bye Bye. This is politics not powder puff. This is a fight for the highest office in the land, everything should be on the table, especially when you have a new comer who nobody really knew until recently. It's softies like you, that cause the Dems' to always lose, when are you going to realize that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 AM on 04/25/2008
- davesideas See Profile I'm a Fan of davesideas permalink

blowhole

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 04/25/2008
- ceti See Profile I'm a Fan of ceti permalink

Wait, what's this? "the estranged partner of Mark Penn." Sam, what do you mean??

Either way you slice it, that's a match made in hell. Schoen was also involved in polling for the opposition in Venezuela. He's a first rate tool like Penn for corporate imperial interests. It's no wonder that this cluster of strategists are also close to the right-wing forces in Latin America and are pushing free trade with Colombia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 04/25/2008
- harriscrl3 See Profile I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 permalink

Let me get this straight she is suppose to raise questions about his values in contrast to hers. What values might that be that she is pathological liar and manipulator who wallows in victimhood when its suits her purpose an embarassment to women everywhere. Good values and Hlary Clinton are an Oxymoron there is no such thing. Hilary Clinton have NO VALUES that she can contrast with Obama that would put her in a good light. BTW I feel its my duty to say that obama did NOT lose Texas since the media apparently have trouble with the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 04/25/2008
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