George McGovern: Still Backing Clinton, But Going Way Off Script

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Former senator and Democratic presidential aspirant George McGovern says he sees some striking similarities when it comes to his run at the White House and that of Sen. Barack Obama. But ultimately, McGovern argues, Obama has organized a much wider political coalition and thus a greater chance of electoral success.

"I think that is his strength," McGovern told The Huffington Post. "He has very broad appeal. He certainly is going to galvanize the black vote. But he has strong appeal to voters of all kinds. Some of the old buckaroos out here in South Dakota are for him."

In recent days, following Obama's loss in the Pennsylvania primary, concern has been raised in Democratic circles that the Illinois Democrat could not expand his political base beyond African-Americans and college students -- a limitation that stunted McGovern's candidacy.

But McGovern, who lost the 1972 election to incumbent Richard Nixon by landslide margins, doesn't attribute his defeat to merely the contours of his political base. Indeed, he argues that his candidacy was damaged more by the infighting that occurred within the Democratic Party even after he had secured the nomination.

"After I had the nomination won and everything except the crowning at the convention, the other candidates that I had defeated in the primaries and the caucuses ganged up on me and spent the next month just bad mouthing me around the country," he said. "And, of course the Nixon people used some of the quotes and threw them back at me in the general election."

It is in this regard -- not necessarily his general election defeat -- that McGovern worries history could end up repeating itself. Noting that Obama seems poised to be the eventually nominee, though believing Sen. Hillary Clinton should stay in the race, he called for a more civil discourse between the two candidates.

"That is the one minus," he said. "I think there has been a little too much negative backbiting. And that is the one negative that concerns me because it is what happened to me in '72... I had to go into that convention exhausted, instead of spending the last few months carefully and systematically picking a running mate and getting my convention organized. We can't have that again."

This, however, is not the only similarity McGovern draws between his run for the White House and the current process. In '72, after he won the California primary and clinched the nomination, McGovern's Democratic opponents argued that the delegation should have been rewarded on a proportional basis, rather than winner-take-all. It was, McGovern says, a changing of the rules in mid-game that resulted both in the weakening of his campaign and his limping into the convention. Thirty-six years later, he sees parallels with the Clinton campaign's push to count the results of the non-DNC-sanctioned Florida and Michigan primaries.

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"We can't overturn those rules now that the counting is over," he said. "I think Barack didn't even enter one contest [Michigan]. Those states knew what the rules were, all the candidates knew what the rules were, and to change it now I think is wrong."

It's not the only process issue on which McGovern, who has endorsed Clinton, finds himself at varying odds with the New York Democrat. On the topic of superdelegates, which were created as a concession to the primary reforms that McGovern initiated, the South Dakotan argues that these party insiders must take into strong consideration the pledged delegate tally.

"Yeah, I think that is important," he said. "It also reduces the frustration we would have if the candidate with the most pledged delegates was rejected. There is going to be some frustration anyway. There always is. I just hope it doesn't result in the kind of back-fighting I had to face after I secured the nomination."

Despite these differences, McGovern is not backing away from his support of Clinton. He deems her "one of the most talented, articulate and well-informed people in the country," whom he has known for 35 years, since she worked on his campaign in Texas. And he expects her to stay in the race at least until the last primary commences in his home state. But in the interim, he hopes, the tone and tenor of the campaign will be ratcheted down a notch,

"I don't want to see Hillary or Barack giving McCain ammunition in the general election," said McGovern. "It is more important that we not have another four years of Bush government."

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God love George. God bless Hillary. God help Obama. He is O-V-E-R! The irrational exuberance has run its course. I expect his supporters to be very brave and very patriotic and proud of him when he does the right thing and bows out of this race. He did a great job but he reached too far, too soon. I also look forward to backing him in 2016, as long as his fans graciously back Hillary in 2008. Otherwise, Obama will go the way of Vanilla Ice and never be heard from again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 04/26/2008

Unlike Chaplin's tramp, your ignorance is neither humorous nor graceful. Also unlike Chaplin, democracy's merit is weightless on your rigged scale.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 04/27/2008
- lenoirlady I'm a Fan of lenoirlady 12 fans permalink

Say What rfk68???? Must be happy hour somewhere!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 04/28/2008

dishwithdi
What you wish for has nothing to do with reality.
Even pundits favorable to the Clinton campaign give her less than a 10% chance of winning the nomination. And she has done herself no favors with the negative campaign against Sen. Obama.
You have already seen that reflected in the superdelegates each has garnered since the Pennsylvania primary. Yes, she won, but Obama has gained more superdelegates than her since and you will see a landslide of them chiming in very shortly. What tyou are seeing is Clinton's ego doing her best to scuttle Obama's chance at winning the general election, as she knows she has no chance, NO CHANCE, of winning the nomination. It's over. Her's and Bubba's egos just refuse to accept it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 04/27/2008
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You understand that Obama's winning, right? And that the winner doesn't typically concede the race while he's still ahead?

I'm just making sure you understand how things look on the ground here in the "reality-based community".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 04/28/2008
- lenoirlady I'm a Fan of lenoirlady 12 fans permalink

Hysterical!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 04/28/2008

All right CarbonDate
Obama is winning; has been winning since Super Tuesday. The last few months has been billary fighting to win a losing battle. She's losing Dishwithdi- don't you know the truth? do you watch too much Fox New? CNN and MSNBC aren't much better. But the Truth is she has lost. If you need 70% of the vote in all the last 9 elections to win then maybe you already lost. And as soon as North Carolina votes it's going to be like 80%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 04/28/2008

If you had people like George McGovern writing columns in the NY Times and elsewhere, you'd have a lot more thoughtful discussion and the U.S. would be much better off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 04/26/2008

So renouce her, George. We voted for you thinking you had integrity. Where is it now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 04/26/2008
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Merican,
Who are YOU to question George McGovern's "integrity?" Do you even know a thing about his personal history? Have you read Stephen Ambrose's book about him during WW II? Are we going to see another iconic figure of the Democratic party torn down just because he doens't lick Obama's boots, like the Obama camp tried to do with Geraldine Ferraro? And did you really vote for McGovern, or are you maybe talking about your grandparents? Obama supporters, who don't understand a thing about party loyalty, and feel the need to not just criticize a fellow Democratic opponent, but demonize, deride, excoriate and scorn her, are the ones who will cause an irreparable rift in the Democratic Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 04/26/2008

I haven't heard the Obama camp "demonize, deride, excoriate and scorn" anybody. That does however, sound a lot like what was done to Bill Richardson (you know the whole Judas thing).
And party loyalty? It is the Clinton supporters who are polled at a much higher rate as voting Republican if Obama becomes the nominee.
You Clinton supporters are cute though, just like your candidate. Do or say something that's an outright lie, deny you did and then blame it on your opponent. Be grateful the MSM is licking Hillary's boots and the Republicans are drooling at the chance to run against her, otherwise this thing would have been over long ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 04/27/2008

timinhi, you are right, McGovern was a bonafide war hero (35 missions in a B24) , he won the DFC , taught at the University level and had a distinguished Senate career. He was against the Vietnam War because he knew what War was like, as opposed to Nixon who had a desk job during WW2. Obama's spiritual guide uncle Rev. Wright defined Barrack for all of us Friday night: "he is a politician and does what he has to do as a politician". What more do you need?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 AM on 04/27/2008

We all have personal histories, you just don't happen to know mine. When McGovern announced support of Clinton, I lost a lot of faith in the man. Public actions are visible for all to see. Questions of integrity are legitimate, here. Why does he support a candidate who has behaved so badly when he admits she has?

Party loyalty? I have voted, participated, been a local leader, and given money to the Democratic party for 35 years. For this I get state and federal officials who are more interested in corporations than my well being. Clinton is among the worst of these. She actually had the nerve to say that lobbyists are constituents too, when questioned about accepting lobbyist contributions. She is a DLC DINO. I have opposed her actively for the past 8 years here in New York and I opposed Bill Clinton in his first presidential candidacy (it was pointless to do so in the second), because he is a DLC DINO as well.

Will I vote for her in the general election? The Democrats will not lose the presidency for the lack of my vote. They never have as long as I have been eligible to vote.

Do I demonize, deride, excoriate and scorn her? No more than any other DLC DINO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 04/27/2008

timinhi
You need your head examined. The divisive candidate in this democratic race has been and continues to be Hillary Rodham Clinton. And why? Because she knows that, statistically, she has no chance of winning the nomination. So she lies, changes facts and dupes her brain-dead followers who seen to not have conscience's of their own and lick up every spoonful of hateful vitriol she spews forth.
And I disagree with Merican, but you and he are on the same side and you lambaste him for 'renouncing' McGovern because McGovern's assessment of Obama was favorable?
You are confused. All too typical of Clinton backers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 04/27/2008

I think you mean "reject and denounce," although your fusion of the two words does save time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 04/26/2008
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Momma always said life is like a box of chocolates- you never know what you gonna get

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 04/26/2008
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Rev. Wrights Sets Record Straight in PBS Interview !

For those who may have missed it, Rev. Jeremiah Wright gave a powerful interview on PBS last night with Bill Moyer. Not only did he set the record straight, but the interview shows how the media has deceived and manipulated the American viewers and should be called out on it. It also shows that Wright's statements were actual quotes he heard the night before from Amb. Peck....a white gentleman.­..who had made the same remarks the night before on Fox News. (previously reported on Huff)
Watch the interview.­....share with others. Time to set the record straight. Funny how the media isn't running non-stop clips from the interview.

To WATCH Interview: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/profile.html

Greg Jones
Visit: www.Blacks4Barack.org
(A Multi-Racial Organizati­on....Dedi­cated To Truth)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 04/26/2008

Obama is CORRUPT, a LIAR, and his slogan of change an ILLUSION.

1) CORRUPT: A houseowner wants to sell both a house and adjoining land. Obama can afford to buy only the house. No problem, the criminal Rezko to the rescue. Rezko pays full price for the land, whereas Obama gets a discount of $300,000 on the house. Nice to have criminal friends like this!!! (ref ABC News)

2) LIAR: Obama claims he did not know about Wright's America-hating (God damn America) and racist views till it was revealed in the mainstream media in March 2008. Obama attended Wright's church for 20 years, was married by Wright, had his children baptized by Wright, donated over $20,000 to Wright's church and named his book "Audacity of Hope" after one of Wright's sermons. You really believe after 20 years and all this he did not know?

3) ILLUSION: Exelon Corporation had not disclosed radioactive leaks at one of its nuclear plants in Illinois. Obama, a senator for Illinois introduces a bill to make disclosures mandatory. Seems like Exelon doesn't like it. Each draft of the new bill by Obama goes more and more towards Exelon till disclosures end up being "voluntary". What gives? How about $250,000+ donations by Exelon!!! Obama is not change, he is WASHINGTON BUSINESS AS USUAL. (ref NYT)

People need to realize that Hillary has been fighting for them all along. All the way back to 1993 when she tried to introduce universal health care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 04/26/2008
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Did she try? The way I see it she decided to grease her own political wheels instead - and set universal health care back 20+ years. Yeah she fought alright - but it wasn't for the people. It's the same thing she's doing now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 04/26/2008
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Your right. And on top of that she voted to go to war in Iraq. If that's looking after our interests, forgetaboutit. Peace

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 04/26/2008

jaynevada, too bad some of that vituperation is not aimed where it is much more deserved. If this is the worst anyone can find about Obama, we will have one of the most "skeleton-free" Presidents we have ever had in the White House. ABC news does not come down from the mount on marble tablets. I, as a white senior woman, say God damn America! and with good reason! Any time you want to debate the truth of God damn America, check back in. America has LONG ago lost any "position" it held in the world and the way this country treats its own is damnable. Is ever ANY piece of legislation SOLELY in the hands of ONE person? Look at the results after a year and a half of "Democratic majority" in the Senate. NOTHING can get through the assinine obstructionism of the the repukes. The republican party is Hell-bent on the total destruction of this country and they have damned near succeeded! Most "news" media is in the hands of the repus and you only get what they want you to know. The only thing HRC is fighting for is the glory of being the first woman prez and she's too unconcerned about the country to get out of the race. Remember, she started as a repu. Don't let the sheep suit fool you, she's still a wolf.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 04/26/2008

well said, old, white lady. Me too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 04/26/2008
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littleblac­kcat....I really like ur style...I'­m a senior too (lol just a few weeks older that HRC) and you are so right on this...she is an old warhorse and a true politician but her mask is slipping. Bill...the poor old fart is losing it as he sees the whitehouse slipping from their grasp...ww­waaaahhhh. We'll see him crying next as a last ditch effort for sympathy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 04/26/2008
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Jay,
You also missed this point. During the ABC debate, when asked why did he disinvite Rev Wright from the Announcment ceremony, obama replied that it was for another matter and not the GD sermon. The moderator failed to follow up with a question.
And here they go with the Race Card again, blaming Hillary already if Obama gets the nomination and loses to McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 04/26/2008
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I don't remember asking Hillary to threaten Iran with a nuke. Think that's a good idea?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 04/26/2008

This is nonsense. Obama tells the truth and always says he is not a perfect person. I have never seen a man who humbles himself that way. A recent survey reveals most Americans don't trust Hillary. She lies and exaggerates. She rejects or twists the truth to fit her personal agenda. This seems to predate her Bosnia experience.

Dan Calabrese reveals in his column that former general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, Jerry Zeifman, indicated that he fired the 27 year old Hillary Rodham from the House Judiciary Committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation due to her lying and unethical conduct. Zeifman said that during the Watergate investigation Hillary lied in a legal brief, then removed evidence from public access that would document her conduct.

It seems like Hillary has a real issue with telling the truth. Also, check the Hillary movie on Youtube.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 04/26/2008
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wow...very telling I guess she has always been truth-challenged

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 04/26/2008
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Don't you just hate that saying "History repeats itself.".

McGovern lost, and we got Nixon.

Obama loses, and we get Clinton or McCain...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 04/26/2008
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At this point I'd suggest that if the once-inevitability of a Democrat is scuttled by in-fighting and the vitriol spread by a tiny few people (with big enough egos to hoodwink us all into thinking they have much larger numbers), America pretty much deserves McCain and the continuation of Republican RULE. And I say that despite my biased dismay at the ripple effect that negatively touches other nations every time the U.S. strays down a darker path... not necessarily meaning that Republicans as a whole are the darker path; just the neofascist fringe that takes over the White House every now and then.

But, you know, despite being an Obama guy, I must object to the way the last line nearly paints Clinton and McCain as the interchangeable alternative to Obama (I'm sure that wasn't quite your intent, but indulge me for a few more lines please). As much as I dislike her campaign tactics, and her disingenuous way of presenting herself as champion of the common people though further from it than Barack by leaps and bounds, I don't think I'd go as far as to say Hillary would be no better for the USA than McCain. She has to play by Democratic Party rules as long as she's a member, and this means not acting completely like a Republican if in office.

She's better than that. In my eyes, though, just not the best at it. But I'm willing to admit my bias.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 04/26/2008

"She has to play by Democratic Party rules as long as she's a member, and this means not acting completely like a Republican if in office."

I think her husband proved that idea completely wrong during his 8 years in office.

Hillary and McCain are interchangeable: either of them would be a Nero who dithers while Rome burns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 04/27/2008
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It took Mr. Ford to finally end the nonsense. Sometimes I'm amazed at how wrapped up the nation gets about something that flies in the face of common sense. So McGovern might have save a couple hundred soldiers, in the waning years. But a more dignified exit would have happened.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 04/26/2008
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Well, finally some real straight talk! If only Mrs. Clinton will listen and consider the ramifications of her negative approach this late in the election process. Like Senator McCovern articulates, this in-fighting, divisiveness, nastiness and commitment to negate the impact of her and the former president's words, will serve the Republican strategy well. She will galvanize the Republican party like no other person can ... including John McCain; just as "the first black president" Bill Clinton did with African-Americans with his insulting remarks in an attempt to marginalize Mr. Obama. WORDS ARE NOT JUST WORDS Mrs. Clinton ... you and your husband both have millions of dollars to attest to the power and lucrativeness of words.

Please don't let your words keep Bush politics in the White House. Our country deserves better and needs change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 04/26/2008
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I try so hard to watch the Neelys on Food NetWork, but Jeana is soooooo annoying. God bless her husband.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 04/26/2008
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"the other candidates that I had defeated in the primaries and the caucuses ganged up on me and spent the next month just bad mouthing me"

I've forgotten now ... who were the other Democratic candidates?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 04/26/2008
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Interestingly enough Mike Gravel was third place in delegate count for Vice President at the Dems Convention in 72, getting the vote of 226 delegates, 7.66%. Mao Zedong, Benjamin Spock, and Ralph Nader all tied, amongst others, with 1 delegate each, or .03%. At least this is what Wikipedia tells me. It sounds like the old Dem Conventions used to be a hell of a good time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 04/26/2008

We should see if we can get them to run again. It doesn't matter that the first two are dead (if we hold the convention in Chicago or Florida, no one would even notice that). It would just be nice to see some candidates with less delegates than Kucinich, one of the only liberals remaining on the so-called "left".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 04/27/2008
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McGovern is right on the mark! Hillary is operating from the playbook that McGovern was prey to. Notice that his support for Hillary is by his own admission political payback. It is obvious by his comments he favors Obama. One thing is consistent about McGovern is that he will tell you what he thinks unlike most politicians who talk through talking points. I like him for that!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 04/26/2008
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The media diagnoses every demo....th­e old...youn­g...rich..­..poor...e­ducated...­.uneducate­d.... bowlers, gun toters and beer drinkers..­...And somehow ALWAYS finds a way to give the advantage to Clinton. But just yesterday, the media is finally starting to raise the most incredible point in the whole race. HILLARY HAS LOST THE SUPPORT OF AN ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE !!!!!!!! Do you know how incredibly sad this fact is ? Hillary Clinton (who's husband was so loved as to have been called The First Black President) has alienated the black people of America to such a degree that there is no way blacks will support her EVER. This has nothing to do with Obama !!!! Keep in mind folks....H­illary started this campaign with close to 82% of the black support. But as blacks learned more about her (Goldwater Girl....Ag­ainst Civil Rights Act of '64...etc.­) combined with her LBJ statements and Bill's minimizing of Obama (fairy tale...Jes­se won S.Carolina too...etc) blacks were shocked...­and then incredibly offended by these revelations to a degree that can never be recovered. WE FEEL DECEIVED !!!! We hope that our friends of all races understand how we as blacks feel. This is the main story that needs to get out to the superdelegates. People across America are contacting the DNC to let them (and superdelegates) know that Hillary ABSOLUTELY KILLED HER ELECTABILTY. The truth is the truth !

Greg Jones
Blacks4Barack.org
(A Multi-Racial Organizati­on...Dedic­ated To Truth)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 04/26/2008
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Wonderful to hear from George McGovern. He was my first Presidential vote. I can understand the passion of Barack Obama supporters, that they would move mountains & themselves all over the country for him. I felt that same passion for George McGovern, did move across the country to campaign for him. I am reassured to hear that much of my opinion regarding his campaign is also his. Bitter Democrats over his nomination did, indeed, destroy his candidacy, as we hear others doing today, proclaiming that they themselves will /encouraging others to vote for McCain/Nixon, if their candidate is not the nominee.

A voice of reason, he presents intelligent thoughts on the pledged delegates/ superdelegate issue, as well as his perspective of how a divided Democratic party attempting to change the rules during the process is folly. I appreciate & respect his willingness to address issues that he thinks valid/ important to electing a Democratic President, regardless of his support for Hillary Clinton and her opinions to the contrary on those issues. The integrity I first learned from him in 1972 is still the barometer by which I measure politicians today & strive to maintain in my own political experiences.

Thank-you, Sam for another great post! Your interesting interview with this National Treasure is truly appreciated.

Thank-you, George McGovern for your insights and hopefully enlightenment to all of us who seek a more hopeful future with our future Democratic President!

Still proud to be a "McGoverni­te!"....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 04/26/2008

Does Bill Clinton appear to have short term memory loss when it comes to remembering telephone interviews? Yes.
Did the Clinton camp throw everything but the kitchen sink to win PA? Yes.
Were they justified in doing so? Also Yes.
They were justified because Bill was absolutely right in his candid telephone interview. The Obama camp (his campaign & surrogates) absolutely played the race card against the Clintons. It was the only card he held that gave him a chance at getting a foothold while running against a candidate that was married to arguably the most popular president in the history of modern Back America. They painted every anti-Obama comment made by the Clintons as an anti-black comment. Hillary was not even allowed to (correctly) acknowledge LBJ's role in getting the Civil Rights Act through congress without having it mischaracterized as a slight against Martin Luther King. This in spite of the fact that King himself (as well as noted followers such as John Lewis) had made the same acknowledgement.
They accused the president who had appointed more blacks to cabinet and high level government positions than any president in history (no doubt, even more than Obama himself would appoint) of race-baiting. Because of LACK of racist thoughts he never dreamed that (for him) campaigning against a candidate who happened to be black would be viewed as a campaign against blacks.
So can I as a black man understand and forgive the Clinton PA strategy? Yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 04/26/2008

Bill Clinton loved blacks so much that he couldn't build prisons fast enough to throw them in. With friends like that, who needs enemies? He is a big reason the US has more people in prison than any country in the world--including China, which is four times our size and is supposedly much less free than we are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 04/27/2008
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EVEN THE BUCKAROOS ARE TIRED OF THE OLDE WHITE BOY NETWORK SCREWIN UP THE USA.

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