George McGovern: Still Backing Clinton, But Going Way Off Script

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First Posted: 04-25-08 11:43 AM   |   Updated: 05- 3-08 05:12 AM

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Former senator and Democratic presidential aspirant George McGovern says he sees some striking similarities when it comes to his run at the White House and that of Sen. Barack Obama. But ultimately, McGovern argues, Obama has organized a much wider political coalition and thus a greater chance of electoral success.

"I think that is his strength," McGovern told The Huffington Post. "He has very broad appeal. He certainly is going to galvanize the black vote. But he has strong appeal to voters of all kinds. Some of the old buckaroos out here in South Dakota are for him."

In recent days, following Obama's loss in the Pennsylvania primary, concern has been raised in Democratic circles that the Illinois Democrat could not expand his political base beyond African-Americans and college students -- a limitation that stunted McGovern's candidacy.

But McGovern, who lost the 1972 election to incumbent Richard Nixon by landslide margins, doesn't attribute his defeat to merely the contours of his political base. Indeed, he argues that his candidacy was damaged more by the infighting that occurred within the Democratic Party even after he had secured the nomination.

"After I had the nomination won and everything except the crowning at the convention, the other candidates that I had defeated in the primaries and the caucuses ganged up on me and spent the next month just bad mouthing me around the country," he said. "And, of course the Nixon people used some of the quotes and threw them back at me in the general election."

It is in this regard -- not necessarily his general election defeat -- that McGovern worries history could end up repeating itself. Noting that Obama seems poised to be the eventually nominee, though believing Sen. Hillary Clinton should stay in the race, he called for a more civil discourse between the two candidates.

"That is the one minus," he said. "I think there has been a little too much negative backbiting. And that is the one negative that concerns me because it is what happened to me in '72... I had to go into that convention exhausted, instead of spending the last few months carefully and systematically picking a running mate and getting my convention organized. We can't have that again."

This, however, is not the only similarity McGovern draws between his run for the White House and the current process. In '72, after he won the California primary and clinched the nomination, McGovern's Democratic opponents argued that the delegation should have been rewarded on a proportional basis, rather than winner-take-all. It was, McGovern says, a changing of the rules in mid-game that resulted both in the weakening of his campaign and his limping into the convention. Thirty-six years later, he sees parallels with the Clinton campaign's push to count the results of the non-DNC-sanctioned Florida and Michigan primaries.

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"We can't overturn those rules now that the counting is over," he said. "I think Barack didn't even enter one contest [Michigan]. Those states knew what the rules were, all the candidates knew what the rules were, and to change it now I think is wrong."

It's not the only process issue on which McGovern, who has endorsed Clinton, finds himself at varying odds with the New York Democrat. On the topic of superdelegates, which were created as a concession to the primary reforms that McGovern initiated, the South Dakotan argues that these party insiders must take into strong consideration the pledged delegate tally.

"Yeah, I think that is important," he said. "It also reduces the frustration we would have if the candidate with the most pledged delegates was rejected. There is going to be some frustration anyway. There always is. I just hope it doesn't result in the kind of back-fighting I had to face after I secured the nomination."

Despite these differences, McGovern is not backing away from his support of Clinton. He deems her "one of the most talented, articulate and well-informed people in the country," whom he has known for 35 years, since she worked on his campaign in Texas. And he expects her to stay in the race at least until the last primary commences in his home state. But in the interim, he hopes, the tone and tenor of the campaign will be ratcheted down a notch,

"I don't want to see Hillary or Barack giving McCain ammunition in the general election," said McGovern. "It is more important that we not have another four years of Bush government."

Former senator and Democratic presidential aspirant George McGovern says he sees some striking similarities when it comes to his run at the White House and that of Sen. Barack Obama. But ultimately, M...
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- WWWexler I'm a Fan of WWWexler 35 fans permalink
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So how could George say what he said about his own experience and still conclude that Hillary should stay in the race?

I think he's confused. She's mathematically eliminated, it's time to quit.

-Wexler

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 04/26/2008

His message was not to fight or quit. It was to fight as honerable, respectful cantidates and not give McCain ammo.

P.S. Not only did MI and FL lose their primary delegates, the DNC did not appoint to them their share of the Supers. (8% of 794= 64)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 04/26/2008

You should read Paul Krugman's latest column. Now that the the bloom is off the Obama rose, his "Yes we can" has become "No she can't". The Democratic party rules regarding the so-called "super delegates" was in place long before the current campaign. Now Mr. Dean and Ms. Pelosi want to change the rules and take away the independence of the "super delegate" voters and by the way, don't the voters of Florida and Michigan count because the state parties tried to change the rules and vote early so they could get some of the tv money. Rules are only as good as the people interpreting them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 04/26/2008

"You should read Paul Krugman's latest column."

I'd have to take it out of the litter box first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 AM on 04/27/2008
- MisterCole I'm a Fan of MisterCole 13 fans permalink

OBAMA / CLINTON '08 is the only way to solve this and crush McCain and the Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 04/26/2008

Superdelegates like George McGovern were ENTRANCED by Bill and Hillary YEARS AGO to prepare for this campaign. This was a strategic ACT by the CLINTONS. Now THOSE Superdelegates are having "second thoughts" and are having difficulty telling the Clintons----"Your demeanor is not what I represent".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 04/26/2008

"Stop counting Votes!"
-- Dick Cheney, 2000

"We already have a winner."
-- Howard Baker, 2000

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 AM on 04/26/2008
- Parkhurst I'm a Fan of Parkhurst 5 fans permalink

I was nineteen in 1972, and an ardent supporter of McGovern.

But when I became a man, I put away childish things.

J.D. Winterbotton

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 04/26/2008

the point was hillary ought be careful she doesn't ruin her political career trying to win this thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 AM on 04/26/2008
- kroses98 I'm a Fan of kroses98 13 fans permalink

Too late. She's toast, and she's badly burned!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 04/26/2008
- JoDeeVa I'm a Fan of JoDeeVa 18 fans permalink
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How sad. I cherish that childish passion of having been an ardent supporter of George McGovern.. even more so now, knowing he WAS right about Watergate, Viet Nam and so many other things that have come to pass, as I have become a woman! And, oh yes..his Washington Post Op-Ed, "Nixon was Bad; These Guys are Worse"..ca­lling for impeachment of Bush/ Cheney.
How can anyone not love that childish thing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 04/26/2008

People have complained of Obama not wearing the flag pin and not saying The Pledge. They must not know the words to The Pledge which are:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the UNITED States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. We are NOT UNITED NOR ARE WE INDIVISIBLE and NOR IS THERE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

Our own Government doesn't respect the words to The Pledge, so how dare we even speak.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 04/26/2008
- AMJordan I'm a Fan of AMJordan 27 fans permalink

I don't recall Senator Obama not reciting the Pledge, I heard a bing stink about how he didn't put his hand over his heart during the National Anthem. You put your hand over your heart for the Pledge and you put your hat, if you're wearing one, during the National Anthem. Another non-issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 04/26/2008
- lobear00 I'm a Fan of lobear00 25 fans permalink

Infinitii, you said it best. That document has become nothing but words on a worthless piece of paper, when the one holding the white house and members of congress don't abide by it , then we the people have lost it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 04/26/2008
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And to think, I bet every flag lapel pin on every patriotic lapel, was made in China. Hell we dont even make real flags in the US anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 04/26/2008

The first time I ever saw a lapel pin was on Tom Delay's mug shot - http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1020051delay1.html

Next time I saw one was on Larry Craig on his mug shot
http://cache.wonkette.com/assets/resources/2007/12/larrypoy.jpg

...so someone out there help me on this one, a lapel pin says what about a person?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 AM on 04/27/2008
- Dayahka I'm a Fan of Dayahka 32 fans permalink

The best thing that could happen is that one or the other of the two candidates drops out. If Hillary drops out, she would earn the gratitude of the party, and she might run again at 64 if Obama were to lose, but if Obama won, that would be the end for her. On the other hand, Obama could decide to drop out leaving the nomination to Hillary, who would get clobbered by McCain, then Obama could run again in four years, or 8 years if Hillary won. If the "race" goes to the convention, then that clown with the talk show will get his wish for a bloodbath--and McCain will win, and we'd probably see a re-run of this two candidate race in 4 years. The Democratic voters (aided, it seems, by covert Republican voters) have to decide: McCain (Bush III), Hillary (Bill III), or Obama. If the remaining voters do not make a decision for one side or the other, then it's McCain. You get what you pay for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 04/26/2008

Bill version 3? Thats lame. Besides, Bill did this country alot of good. I understand that your just some young kid who was taught to hate Bill Clinton because he dare defies the ultimate messiah of politics but Bill had this economy running great. At the time the U.S had the best economy on the entire planet. Lowest amount of people on walfare, lowest poverty rate & not to mention he had a great approval rating. Stop believing everything you read on the internet & think for yourself. Stop letting Obama tell you how to think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 04/26/2008
- greenwitch I'm a Fan of greenwitch 6 fans permalink

Stop letting the voices in your head tell you how to think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 04/26/2008
- Charmed I'm a Fan of Charmed 28 fans permalink

Well then they couldn't believe you because they are reading what you are writing on the internet..­...NAFTA was the beginning of the end of middle class.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 04/26/2008
- Puller58 I'm a Fan of Puller58 9 fans permalink

Really? What was that good Bill did? Cut a deal with Gingrich for taking money out of Medicare to help "balance" the budget. Helped lost control of congress to the repubs. Pardoned slimeballs on his way out. Plus that dot.com button didn't help everybody and when it burst, ouch! Yep, he did good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 04/26/2008

Bill did amazing things for this country. I understand you are just a young kid who cant remember the clintons years but they really were not that bad. What Bill did with those alleged women reflected nothing on how he ran this country. The economy was running very smoothly, lowest amount of people on welfare, lowest poverty rate etc. You were just told to hate the clintons from MSNBC/Youtube.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 04/26/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 230 fans permalink
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I was there! Please elaborate on those 'amazing things'. All you do is repeat soundbites. Actually, the employment rate is lower now than it was in the 90s.
Now, howerer, because of NAFTA(bill's baby), all the good jobs have moved to China(Bill's Most Favored Nation Trading Status) where near slave-labor abounds.

So please, don't come here talking to us as if we're wayward children..­I've made my choice. Respect it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 04/26/2008
- OrionGal I'm a Fan of OrionGal 10 fans permalink

No, I'm sorry but you are wrong. We the People did not find out how much did NOT get done during the Clinton years until after. How many scandals were kept 'under cover' - and I'm not talking about the cigar episode! Clinton laid low and left a lot of crap for the next adminstration to deal with.

Another Clinton administration is NOT what this country needs right now! We need a leader like Barack Obama to step up to the plate and heal a lot of Foreign Policy wounds from the past 8 years.

Sorry, but it's the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 04/26/2008
- greenwitch I'm a Fan of greenwitch 6 fans permalink

Ha ha...the Clinton years don't look as good in the rearview mirror. A lot of Clinton's policies softened us up for the kill, i.e. Bushco. Plus, Hillary has jumped into bed with her arch-enemies from the "vast right wing conspiracy­." The Clintons have become desperate and pathetic, and it's sad to watch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 04/26/2008

I think Bill did a good job. But Hillary is NOT Bill. At this point, I'm not even sure Bill likes Hillary.

Right now, I the country can't handle the drama attached to the Clintons. We need someone who can increase U.S. soft power and can lead--than means bringing in the best people to help solve the problems of the country and listening to them. I think Obama can and will do so.

Most importantly, Hillary's lies have made her completely unelectable. The republicans have to be foaming at the mouth at the chance to rip her apart. I mean, Obama has the same misspeaks and questionable ties as McCain and Clinton, but Hillary has outright lies. On top of that, McCain then would be the change candidate as he can claim the country doesn't need 24 years of Bush-Clint­on...makin­g her more linked to Bush than he is. The Hillary supporters out there need to start supporting the candidate who has won more votes, more delegates, and more states. He has a mathmatical lead impossible for Clinton to catch. After her next loss, she needs to drop out. If not, she will be forced out by the supers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 04/26/2008
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Bill Clinton retracted his nomination of Joecelyn Elders for Surgeon General because she OK'd sex ed material that mentioned.­.. oh, for shame... masturbation, and the right wing noise machine objected. He also stabbed gay americans in the back, promising to let them serve in the military then coming up with don't ask, don't tell, which increased discharges for homosexuals. And he started the extraordinary rendition program under which terror suspects were sent to Egypt to be interrogated under torture. Oh, and he totally blew Health Care and so disgusted the electoral public they turned congress over to the Republicans. He wasn't the worst president, he did balance the budget, but he was actually kind of a jerk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 04/26/2008
- mesuki I'm a Fan of mesuki 12 fans permalink

No ! what Bill did was to pacify some needy people while taking advantage of his position as president of the United States. In the mean time Hillary was busy trying to destroy any evidence of her husbands adulterous affairs while positioning herself for a run as America's first woman president.­.She's still at it today !......for the Clintons it's all about power,and they will do anything to maintain that power or aquire more.They don't care who they step on to get to their goal,and we see this by the way they run their campaign .I say "they " because,Hillary and Bill will be running the Whitehouse together..­........ They are joined at the hips,a vote for Hillary is a vote for Bill!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 AM on 04/26/2008

George McGovern had a cult-like following just as Barack has now. Its going to screw the dems. in november. Obama is not the messiah of washington. He is not the only one who can bring change.He is a smooth talking politician. The fact that this man has just as much dirt as the clintons only being in the senate for a year scares the hell out of me. His young impressionable supporters do not take the time to actually look up & think for themselves about this man. They believe anything youtube/Kieth olbermann tells them. Oh but I am sure I am going to get called stupid for even thinking about besmirching the king, the ultimate leader, the messiah, the eloquent, smart, fantastic man named barack. Obamatrons 8000.Inser­t clinton propaganda side A disk drive B.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 04/26/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 230 fans permalink
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God knows we should believe hill. After all she never misspeaks, does she.

Oh! Have another sip of FoolAid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 04/26/2008
- MsLiz I'm a Fan of MsLiz 105 fans permalink
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I cast my first presidential vote for McGovern, so I am no young impressionable supporter. You take the position that those who don't share your views must therefore be stupid. I disagree. No one has a monopoly over correctness. Your comment that Obama has as much dirt as the Clintons reveals that you are not in the realm of reality, and are ignoring salient facts such as the pending Peter Paul suit, and Bill's foreign dealings over the past eight years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 04/26/2008
- Charmed I'm a Fan of Charmed 28 fans permalink

You sound a little jealous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 04/26/2008

Note to killtheking;
Blah, blah, blah and blah.
First, how would you know if Dayahka is "some young kid" or not.? He/she could be eighty. Just another typical right-bent wingnut assumption based on nothing but your own prejudices.
Second, you sound suspiciously like a lot of the covert Republicans who sneak into liberal websites and plant anti-Democrat bushwa. How can I tell? You smugsters always manage to slip in a throw away line about the Lewinsky mess and sneak in some vaguely racist crapola about the demographic parameters of Obama supporters
Third, if Barack Obama was white would you be so afraid of him? Would you be spewing so much verbal vomit if he looked like oh, let's say Karl Rove?
Fourth; learn to spell, will you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 04/26/2008
- OrionGal I'm a Fan of OrionGal 10 fans permalink

" just as much dirt as the clintons"

The Clintons have been slinging mud for years....N­o Way does Obama have all that crap!

I'm sorry if you feel threatened by an educated Man who can lead this country to the next phase of prosperity. Without Scandal, without lawsuits, and with Integrity, Spirit, and Passion that actually brings us Americans, regardless of color, TOGETHER.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 04/26/2008
- StephenJK I'm a Fan of StephenJK 23 fans permalink

I don't think anyone who doesn't support Obama feels threatened by his candidacy. I think people are genuinely worried about his inexperience and his ability to deal with hardnose world leaders. He's managed to offend large chunks of the American electorate with his chosen impromptu rhetoric and everyone is starting with their hypotheticals which don't look that good when all you have is words and diplomacy. You step in the crap in the geo-political sense and you've got some VERY dire circumstances you'll be facing. Think Bay of Pigs.

I think you're projecting your own tendencies and feel Obama is your way out of that psychology. I could be totally off but, I get the sense that a lot of non-AA voters who vociferously support Obama are attempting to rid themselves of their guilt ridden psychology. At least, posts like yours and others which, rather loudly, accuse people (even without knowing what race the person they're accusing of racism is) of racism and bigotry. Not even stopping when an AA who happens to support Clinton. Nope. You guys go right after them with the "Uncle Tom" or "Uncle Ruckus" rhetoric.

The state of debate in this country is sad. I've been a willing participant at times. Probably a lot of the time. However, I find it useful to take a step back, remove the psychology of supporting one or the other and take a sobering look at what we're saying to each other. It's not pretty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 AM on 04/26/2008
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Obama is the Candidate that can bring us all together, to unite us ,he's the one......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 04/26/2008

You are completely brainwashed aye? READ.LEARN­.THINK FOR YOURSELF. Please, for the good of the country just think for yourself!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 04/26/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 230 fans permalink
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Follow your own advice.

How did NAFTA help your community? No Child Left Behind? The Iraq War? Hillary voted for all of these.
Now justify why, knowing this, I should vote for hillbilly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 04/26/2008
- MsLiz I'm a Fan of MsLiz 105 fans permalink
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Physician, heal thyself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 04/26/2008
- rmreddicks I'm a Fan of rmreddicks 35 fans permalink
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And ONLY for yourself. I think you never killled a kingg.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 04/26/2008
- gevan I'm a Fan of gevan 19 fans permalink

Before there were "Reagan Democrats", there were those of us who were "McGovern Republicans". Some of us even remember that Governor Carter was one of those who didn't support the '72 ticket. Why does America turn ther backs on such excellent candidates as George McGovern or John Anderson or Al Gore? Does this country actually get what it DESERVES?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 04/26/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 230 fans permalink
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--Does the country actually get what it DESERVES?--

Yes, it does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 04/26/2008

Well remember Al Gore is the exact same thing as GW Bush, according to many people in 2000 including Michael Moore. The same thing. Listening to that kind of crap is how we got Bush. People get insane during a Primary, and that is what McGovern is talking about. Unseating the McCain/Bush GOP is the goal, not just in the White House but in the Congress and at the State level.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 04/26/2008
- rmreddicks I'm a Fan of rmreddicks 35 fans permalink
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Might I assume that you remember some of John Anderson's positions? I fail to see the excellent there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 04/26/2008
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McGovern is still alive?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 04/25/2008
- exxman I'm a Fan of exxman 7 fans permalink

What, exactly is the point of a comment like that? Are you brain dead?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 04/26/2008

i watched the interview tonight on pbs with bill moyers and reverand wright and now i see reverand wright in a totally different light he is a good and descent man and what fox news did to him trying to make him into a racist unpatriotic nut job couldnt be further from the truth i hope alot of people saw that interview it will change alot of minds about him

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 04/26/2008
- greenwitch I'm a Fan of greenwitch 6 fans permalink

It was a terrific interview. The fact that the good reverend was so demonized just shows how screwed up our political process and media are, and how many dumbasses exist in America. No wonder we get governments like we have now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 04/26/2008
- mesuki I'm a Fan of mesuki 12 fans permalink

Fox News has one goal.....,­to destroy Obama before the elections in November. What makes me angry and sad are the people that fall for all the crap that they are feeding the American public. I never thought much about the difference between republicans and Democrats,but now it's so obvious to me that the Republicans are a group of people with some serious issues. When you have Examples like Scarborough ,Limbaugh,­Coulter,Ca­rlson,O're­illy, and Hannity that's not a good thing.The tactics they employ are dishonest devious and outright racist. Why anyone would want to be associated with that group is just puzzling to me.You have to be against all that America stands for to associate yourself with that group. From what I've seen the last eight years of this country being run by republicans,I am totally turned off by them!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 AM on 04/26/2008
- Daly I'm a Fan of Daly 19 fans permalink

Yes and he can spot BS a mile away - pretty much said he would support billary but now seeing the inside of club clinton McG is leaning to like obama... I hope he
"votes his hopes and not his fears"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 04/26/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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Part 3

OK. you want to talk about the past? "The Experience"? the one and only thing HRC was really ever "in charge of" "her Baby" - health care - you want to talk about how that turned out?
She sold out to Pharma Inc., InsCo., corporate/­lobbyist/b­ig money.

I realize she still has a loyal following. I respect that.
For me, this is easy.

I wish the Clintons well in the private sector.
I don't mind if they make $500 mil giving speeches or writing books or selling chia pets. Fine with that.
I love Capitalism!
I thank them for their service to our country.

There is a reason in America no President can serve more than two terms
and cannot run for public office after that

Hillary was co-president
I'm sorry she is getting the short end of the stick
that's kind of the way the whole "trailblazer" deal works.

History will reflect her as a Pioneer, the brilliant brave woman.
I hope she doesn't need to add any more asterisks to that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 04/25/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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Part 2

that was then
Now, a few months later, I am shocked at how I feel

never in my wildest dreams would I believe i would feel this way right now about the Clintons.

So when I talk to others, I make extra effort to restrain emotion
being as I still have t-shirts and bumper stickers in my home supporting both Bill and Hillary
(btw, I'm the complete opposite of a pack-rat - I throw anything away I can part with quarterly)

I try to speak from a business perspective
I use Hillary's words
as she said today, "I want you to think of this as a hiring decision"

who wants to hire the candidate with a campaign that has been disorganized, mismanaged and fiscally irresponsible
who has "misstated" facts, and tried to laugh it off
with weekly reports of infighting and defection of long-time loyalists?

I don't.
put everything aside except what honestly hits you in your real life: The Economy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 04/25/2008
- OrionGal I'm a Fan of OrionGal 10 fans permalink

Obama needs to use the fact that if Hillary can't do the math....do we want her *trying* to heal our economic situation.­????

I Think NOT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 04/26/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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here is what I really want to say:

I was a loyal Clinton supporter, voter, donator, volunteer, defender for 15 years

when people called Bill "the first black President"
I called Hillary "the first woman President"

from early 90s I always said Hillary was the brains of the team
Bill was the heart and soul

when people said, why did he marry her
i said, she picked him

this year, after 7 years of hell, I was very engaged
I waivered between Kucinich (who would be my theoretical first choice) and Edwards (my realistic choice) with a lot I really liked about the other candidates.
I was a huge Obama fan, but felt he needed a few years in the Senate to "be ready"
When Edwards dropped out right before I voted Feb 5, I thought it would be a struggle for me to choose
it wasn't
I was amazed how clearly I decided to support Obama
I actually had to stop and ask myself why that was such a quick clear easy choice

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 04/25/2008
- VivaZapata I'm a Fan of VivaZapata 63 fans permalink
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many of us are right there with you, kellygirl.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 04/25/2008

I was not as dedicated to the Clintons as you but have always defended them....ev­en Bill and the whose-busi­ness-is-it­-anyway sex thing...bu­t now, it/they make me wonder about where our society as come when 'winning' at all costs is ok even lauded. Is it power, greed, fear of failure or whatever that seems to make any means justify the end. Where are we when there is a candidate, agreed not perfect, but endeavoring to stay on the high road, is crucified for NOT wearing a flag lapel pin, whose words are taken out of context and where he is blamed for statements or actions made by pastors or associates. It is the worst game of guitly (of nothing!) by association. Everything is blown out of proportion­...even on OPB tonight. Me heart is heavy with all of this and I wonder if we dems will ever be successful. Right now we are trying to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory. I think even I could beat John McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 04/25/2008
- greenwitch I'm a Fan of greenwitch 6 fans permalink

Hillary has sold her soul to the Republicans, and now she is one of them. Time to whittle a stake and put her (and us) out of her misery.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 04/26/2008

You have encapsulated the feelings I believe of many Dems from the Clinton years. When I first saw OBama at his convention speech for Kerry....I knew instinctively that he was special and presidential. I just didnt know when he could (he wasnt even elected Senator then)... and of course Kerry was going to be Prez. for the next 8 years -:)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 04/26/2008
- OrionGal I'm a Fan of OrionGal 10 fans permalink

Obama has a Leadership Quality that is not often found. It is rare and special.

Now that we have found it, it's TIME!


VOTE OBAMA '08!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 04/26/2008
- randyjet I'm a Fan of randyjet 26 fans permalink

I too supported Edwards, but actually did some research and thinking. I looked at BOTH web sites on the issues, and Obama made it easy since he had so little. Clinton had far more and good ideas and policies which were FAR closer to Edwards than Obama. It is quite significant that Elizabeth Edwards has come out in support of Clinton's health care plan since it is so superior to Obama's. Did YOU miss that? I didn't.
On virtually most of the issues, Obama is to the RIGHT of Clinton. From health care, to oil prices, energy policy, to the military. Did you know that Obama wants to increase the troops by about 100,000? That is excessive to say the least. Especially since he proposes getting all the troops out of Iraq soon. Another part I cannot support, is his position on illegal immigration which again is to the right of Clinton since it follows exactly the proposals of the Chamber of Commerce. THAT is NOT progressive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 AM on 04/26/2008
- ann1 I'm a Fan of ann1 12 fans permalink

This campaign is making me BITTER!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 04/25/2008
- rmreddicks I'm a Fan of rmreddicks 35 fans permalink
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Don't be bitter. Just remember that if your choice should win nothing will really change for anyone other than a favored few. And they aren't really going to lose no matter what happens come election time. (That might make you want to be bitter!). "We're all bozo's on this bus."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 04/26/2008
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