George McGovern: Still Backing Clinton, But Going Way Off Script

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First Posted: 04-25-08 11:43 AM   |   Updated: 05- 3-08 05:12 AM

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Former senator and Democratic presidential aspirant George McGovern says he sees some striking similarities when it comes to his run at the White House and that of Sen. Barack Obama. But ultimately, McGovern argues, Obama has organized a much wider political coalition and thus a greater chance of electoral success.

"I think that is his strength," McGovern told The Huffington Post. "He has very broad appeal. He certainly is going to galvanize the black vote. But he has strong appeal to voters of all kinds. Some of the old buckaroos out here in South Dakota are for him."

In recent days, following Obama's loss in the Pennsylvania primary, concern has been raised in Democratic circles that the Illinois Democrat could not expand his political base beyond African-Americans and college students -- a limitation that stunted McGovern's candidacy.

But McGovern, who lost the 1972 election to incumbent Richard Nixon by landslide margins, doesn't attribute his defeat to merely the contours of his political base. Indeed, he argues that his candidacy was damaged more by the infighting that occurred within the Democratic Party even after he had secured the nomination.

"After I had the nomination won and everything except the crowning at the convention, the other candidates that I had defeated in the primaries and the caucuses ganged up on me and spent the next month just bad mouthing me around the country," he said. "And, of course the Nixon people used some of the quotes and threw them back at me in the general election."

It is in this regard -- not necessarily his general election defeat -- that McGovern worries history could end up repeating itself. Noting that Obama seems poised to be the eventually nominee, though believing Sen. Hillary Clinton should stay in the race, he called for a more civil discourse between the two candidates.

"That is the one minus," he said. "I think there has been a little too much negative backbiting. And that is the one negative that concerns me because it is what happened to me in '72... I had to go into that convention exhausted, instead of spending the last few months carefully and systematically picking a running mate and getting my convention organized. We can't have that again."

This, however, is not the only similarity McGovern draws between his run for the White House and the current process. In '72, after he won the California primary and clinched the nomination, McGovern's Democratic opponents argued that the delegation should have been rewarded on a proportional basis, rather than winner-take-all. It was, McGovern says, a changing of the rules in mid-game that resulted both in the weakening of his campaign and his limping into the convention. Thirty-six years later, he sees parallels with the Clinton campaign's push to count the results of the non-DNC-sanctioned Florida and Michigan primaries.

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"We can't overturn those rules now that the counting is over," he said. "I think Barack didn't even enter one contest [Michigan]. Those states knew what the rules were, all the candidates knew what the rules were, and to change it now I think is wrong."

It's not the only process issue on which McGovern, who has endorsed Clinton, finds himself at varying odds with the New York Democrat. On the topic of superdelegates, which were created as a concession to the primary reforms that McGovern initiated, the South Dakotan argues that these party insiders must take into strong consideration the pledged delegate tally.

"Yeah, I think that is important," he said. "It also reduces the frustration we would have if the candidate with the most pledged delegates was rejected. There is going to be some frustration anyway. There always is. I just hope it doesn't result in the kind of back-fighting I had to face after I secured the nomination."

Despite these differences, McGovern is not backing away from his support of Clinton. He deems her "one of the most talented, articulate and well-informed people in the country," whom he has known for 35 years, since she worked on his campaign in Texas. And he expects her to stay in the race at least until the last primary commences in his home state. But in the interim, he hopes, the tone and tenor of the campaign will be ratcheted down a notch,

"I don't want to see Hillary or Barack giving McCain ammunition in the general election," said McGovern. "It is more important that we not have another four years of Bush government."

Former senator and Democratic presidential aspirant George McGovern says he sees some striking similarities when it comes to his run at the White House and that of Sen. Barack Obama. But ultimately, M...
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 04/25/2008
- randyjet I'm a Fan of randyjet 26 fans permalink

I see that Obama supporters have NO problem using the GOP to attack Clinton! Obama uses the GOP lies and slanders, and that says it all. It is fitting since he is to the RIGHT of Clinton!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 04/26/2008
- Puller58 I'm a Fan of Puller58 10 fans permalink

What about bomb Iran? No GOP, her words. WTF?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 04/26/2008

www.hillaryclinton.com give and know true freedom for the first time

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 04/25/2008
- ldsrapha I'm a Fan of ldsrapha 2 fans permalink

No thanks, we want our politicians honest. However, good luck to you. She does need money to make up for the extra $5 million in debt she "forgot" to mention before her fundraising campaign. I am sure it just slipped her mind though. . . :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 04/25/2008

Perhaps she just "misspoke"
Obama 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 04/25/2008
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Since you love her so much, pay for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 04/26/2008

She can just get more money from "special interest groups"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 04/25/2008
- gevan I'm a Fan of gevan 19 fans permalink

I give if she'll put on a blue dress. She looks awful in red.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 04/26/2008
- Puller58 I'm a Fan of Puller58 10 fans permalink

You mean borrow one from Monica?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 04/26/2008

Sorry, my contributions are already spoken for. Thats one large bank balance she and Bubba has...why cant they tap in some more there if its a horse race she believes in so much? After all, Romney used about 42 mil. of his own stash.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 04/26/2008

Well, it's not just about the Clintons who gets a no vote, just in case there's democratic opposition on the ballot, you should show up to vote out any member of Congress that was instrumental in letting her steal it, their a$$es needs to go as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 04/25/2008

Why is that whenever things don't go your way you leftists always start crying about stolen elections ? It ever dawn on you that your ultra leftist beliefs put you in the minority in this country ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 04/25/2008

"Leftists"? Do you mean socialists or communists­...or could it be the dreaded L word. And by golleee, look where your presumably conservative beliefs HAVE put this country into. The pendulum is swinging..­..time to sweep out the neanderthals, warmongers, panderers to the rich and hypocrites.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 04/26/2008
- greenwitch I'm a Fan of greenwitch 6 fans permalink

Majority rules. No wonder the country is so screwed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 04/26/2008

Funny you should say that. I'm keeping track of who supports Obama, too! You must be a typical white person. We think alike.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 04/25/2008

That's going to be a long list.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 04/26/2008
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That's what we were doing in 2006. We have pissed off Republicans that have been working to get their party right too. And that don't include the Flush Limp burper. We have a right to have the right people representing our views. The republicans started late, but they are working on ending this mess too. Like Hagel.

Democrats Republicans and Independents linked arms and started throwing the bums out.

We were after Susan Collins until she started actually listening to Warner and others that the Mad King George has the Armed Services in a quagmire. I think she's gonna have a tough time getting re-elected. But that is what you have to do.

A change is coming on both parties. The Neonutz, have taken their party over like the Status Quo DLC. Only the DLC, hears the 75% of American People who want the changes now.

Barack On Team America, WE got work to do! Nine more to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 04/26/2008

The night I saw Obama, I never seen anything like the enthusiasm for what he was saying, saw nothing like the energy of those waiting out in the cold for two and a half hours before they opened the doors. I remember reading something about the meeting in Slate. The reporters had arrived too late and literally were not allowed in because everything was organized to a tee. The article was basically about what it was like to be locked outside - a metaphor for the whole state of affairs with the MSM that remains outside looking in, clueless of what's going on...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 04/25/2008
- ldsrapha I'm a Fan of ldsrapha 2 fans permalink

This is because people are not used to such a well-oiled machine. There is a reason he still has 42 million to spend and has done so well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 04/25/2008
- JackW I'm a Fan of JackW 3 fans permalink

So Obama said ""The candidates with the Washington experience — my opponents — are good people. They mean well, but they've been in Washington for a long time and even with all that experience they talk about, nothing has happened," Obama said in remarks prepared for delivery later in the day. "This country didn't raise fuel efficiency standards for over 30 years."

The result, the Illinois senator said, is that consumers are suffering. "So what have we got to show for all that experience?" Obama asked. "Gas that's approaching $4 a gallon."

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't a lot of Obama endorsers the very same people who have been in Washington for a long time? Say, Kennedy, or Kerry, or Dodd? And there are plenty more. So what Obama is really saying is that his Washington supporters have really done nothing, and it's because of them we have $4 a gallon gas! If they are supporting him, and yet they have done nothing, what does this say about his judgement in gathering their support? Or theirs in offering it?

Is he willing to stand in front of all of those people and accuse them of doing nothing, and it's their fault americans are now paying $4 a gallon?

If not, then how good is his "I'll change Washington" talk?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 04/25/2008

"Kennedy, or Kerry, or Dodd"

They've been "co-Presidents"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 04/25/2008

Respectfully, I disagree. There are many people who are in Washington who also recognize our current system is failing the American people. While I'm not saying that every person endorsing Obama is doing it for completely selfless reasons, there are many people who have legitimately been inspired by his message.

As a newcomer, if Obama wasn't endorsed by anyone that the American people knew and respected, he would be viewed as a marginal candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 04/25/2008

MARGINAL? MAYBE BY YOU...BUT THEN YOU SPEAK AS IF WASHINGTON, IS JUST NOW "FAILING THE AMERICAN PEOLE." HOW ABOUT BEING ACCURATE AND NOT PERVERTING TRUTH? START BY SAYING, "FAILED!" IF YOU REALLY ARE A REBEL, SHOW SOME SPINE.....­. AND REGARDING THE "MARGINAL" VIEW? YOU TELL THAT TO THE MILLIONS OF YOUNGSTERS WHO ARE PUMPED ABOUT HIM BECOMING OUR NEXT PRESIDENT.­........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 04/25/2008

well aren't you a capitalist rebel, defending washington?! put down the red flag.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 04/25/2008

He would be viewed as a freshman senator who was elected with Rezko fundraising, with two years under his belt who had two insignificant bills passed in those two years, and whose voting record was less than heroic (hello, nuclear energy lobbyests, don't worry, I'm on your side, love Barry.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 04/25/2008

OMG, what is with Hillary and the Hillary supporters. They constantly twist and spin everything someone says.

The candidates (Hillary and McCain) with the Washington experience " my opponents " (Hillary and MCCain) are good people.

No where in that statement does he say my endorsers, nor is his endorsers are candidates, nor are his endorsers his opponents.

What did Hillary and her supporters learn in English class. When they read a novel I wonder if they spin and twist the writers words and come up with as many variations of the storyline as they do with the statements made by Obama.

It is simply ludicrous, how they twist and spin his words to mean what they want them to mean instead of the words meaning exactly what he said. If he said "NO" they would spin and twisted it to mean "maybe" or "I'll think about it". No means No.

For God's sake go back to school and this time pay attention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 04/25/2008

only children see things from one side

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 04/25/2008
- boombox I'm a Fan of boombox 8 fans permalink

Now, once and for all, that is the craziest binch of ca-ca I have ever read!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 04/25/2008
- ZsaZsa I'm a Fan of ZsaZsa 41 fans permalink

Do you think Washington doesn't need to be changed? Seriously, what is the message here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 04/25/2008
- pbfishtaco I'm a Fan of pbfishtaco 12 fans permalink
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If Clinton is so electable, why is she in second place.....­.......sti­ll.
Electability?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 04/25/2008
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If barrack is so electable , why does he like Hillary need the supers to win?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 04/25/2008

Think about the balance sheet. Hillary started out as the presumed candidate, ahead of the Primaries. Barack, new to the nation, had to scramble to establish himself. consider the SMEARS, LIES, AND MEDIA CAMPAIGNS FROM THE RIGHT, including Operation Chaos by Limbaugh. I'm sure if the voters weren't allowed to switch registrations in Texas, and in Pennsylvania, thousands re-registered as Democrats to vote for Hillary. The vote is skewed, the vote is skewed, how about again: the vote is skewed. Obama could have won if not for the underhanded tactics going on. So considering those odds, He has done an amazing job of organization, fund raising (I have given monthly in $25.00 increments. for example), amassing an army of volunteers, of which I am one. ---Nevertheless, the media is giving Hillary 'free' time as it uses innuendo, quotes out of context, and other insidious approaches to putting doubt in the minds of the less informed public. As it is, Obama has overcome a great deal of it, and I hope with all my heart he manages to overcome the sleazy onslaught from every side but his true supporters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 04/25/2008
- drjasonmd I'm a Fan of drjasonmd 35 fans permalink
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If Hillary is so electable, why does she need Republicans to vote in the Democratic primary to still be alive?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 04/25/2008

It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. RACISM is still alive and thriving in this country. That's why. There a whole lot of white people who will not vote for a black man period and that is the reality of the situation. Hillary has only remained close in this race otherwise because of racism and McCain supporters urging republicans to get out and vote for Hillary because they know she will get blown out of the race if she gets the nomination and the white house will be theirs again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 04/25/2008

Becouse the democratic primary system is flawed. This years primary race has exsposed that. It's not effective when the race is close, obviously Expect some changes to be made before we have another primary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 04/25/2008
- kevinmcd I'm a Fan of kevinmcd 2 fans permalink

Bujt he needs far fewer of the supers than he does, now doesnt he!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 04/25/2008

Is there any other figure in American history who has been written about extensively by both Stephen Ambrose AND Hunter S. Thompson?

That alone makes George a hero in my book.

A class act. thank you George.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 04/25/2008

Hunter S. Thompson, I surely do miss. I would have love to have seen his take on the democratic nomination. Such a loss.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 04/25/2008
- JoDeeVa I'm a Fan of JoDeeVa 18 fans permalink
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My sentiments exactly!

The Wild Blue Patriot; Rolling Stone "mojo-wire" Peace-nik! Synthesis of Antithesis­...

Thank-you, Kingbreaker for that perspective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 04/26/2008

why are you suprised, have you noticed how maccain has only been attacking obama, how come
no one in the media has picked up on this, could he and clinton have some kind of strategy to kick out
the black candidate? why is everyone ganging up on obama ? could it be because he has done the
impossible and given regular folks like us a voice and a reason to believe again? why is obama expected to answer to a different level of vetting? they have dug in his past to find any dirt on him when they found non, people like shawn hannitiy of fox using the disguise of finding the truth are using the rev wright's, bill ayers and other things to get rid of the black candidate without revealing that the real reason they are going after him is because they are racist, bigots who do not want a black man in the white house, how come they haven't gone after maccain or hillary, i don't buy the crap about obama being new and people not knowing him, if that was the truth, then they should talk about obama the man, his life story, his politics not use the bill ayers,rev wright and other racially motivated stories and claim that they are just searching for the truth, lets call a spade a spade and not a spoon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 04/25/2008

"could he and clinton have some kind of strategy to kick out the black candidate?"

"could it be because he has done the impossible and given regular folks like us a voice and a reason to believe again?"

Yes.

"i don't buy the crap about obama being new and people not knowing him, if that was the truth, then they should talk about obama the man, his life story, his politics not use the bill ayers,rev wright and other racially motivated stories and claim that they are just searching for the truth, lets call a spade a spade and not a spoon."

I could not have said it better myself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 04/25/2008
- Lagniappe I'm a Fan of Lagniappe 13 fans permalink

If Mr.McGover­n has concerns about providing McCain fodder in the future,I suggest he rethink his choice of Hillary. She has more baggage than LAX,and the GOP will be rummaging through a lot of it-SOONER than one may realize.I once read that a politician is interested in being reelected-A statesman(or woman) is interested in doing what's good for the country...­..........­.........H­illary is more interested in representing the Clinton Dynasty. I would recommend everyone go to World Net Daily and read the story about the FEC lawsuit that the MSM is TOTALLY keeping underwraps! Involves over $1 million dollars in fraudulent donations to Hillary's Senatorial campaign.-­WHY ISN"T ANYONE TALKING ABOUT THIS? Hill,Bill,Ed Rendell will be called to testify---the case is Peter F. Paul vs. Clinton.Th­e REpubs have set up a Conservative moveon.org to attack with this revelation!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 04/25/2008
- PopeRatzo I'm a Fan of PopeRatzo 19 fans permalink
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You would recommend everyone go to World Net Daily?

I would recommend that you get some help for your obvious mental problems. The only thing that can be learned at Wing Nut Daily is just how wacky our "conservative" brothers and sisters have become. If WND said that tomorrow was Saturday, I'd still set my alarm to get up and go to work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 04/25/2008
- greenwitch I'm a Fan of greenwitch 6 fans permalink

Tomorrow is Saturday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 04/26/2008
- Lagniappe I'm a Fan of Lagniappe 13 fans permalink

Thanks for the pontificating ,ratzo. There's a vast gulf between smart and smart ass. You obviously have no means,or ability, to navigate the chasm. If you want to reject WND,fine,just Google up Peter F. Paul-there is much info on this. It so happens that WND is one of the FEW who IS reporting on this.Yur rejection of the source is as prejudiced as those who reject info posted here,on HuffPo.As someone once told me,"If the Good Lord means for you to know it,he can dispatch the Devil himself to deliver the message."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 04/26/2008
- Roxanna I'm a Fan of Roxanna 31 fans permalink

Hopefully Hilary's clawing to the top (which she thought she had from Day 1) and is now using Republican "Politicking" strategies will help prepare Obama for the same kind of tactics he will receive from the McCain/Rove Corner.

We all know Obama is not a "Bowler" just like Hilary is not a "Duck Hunter" or has worked in "Coal Mine"...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 04/25/2008

The difference IS that Senator Obama admitted that he was a terrible bowler and he even joked on himself about his lack of skill. He showed that he was skilled at basketball and played it on his own terms.

Hilldog was throwing back Crown like she had worked a 12 hour shift in a coal mine. And that whole story about "shooting on Lake Winnola" was so contrived that it bordered fairy tale status.

One is genuine the other is....ehh.­...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 04/25/2008

McGovern has always been a man of integrity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 04/25/2008

Seconded.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 04/25/2008
- gotalife I'm a Fan of gotalife 22 fans permalink

KO and Clyburn playing the race card again.

Obama call it bs and it is.

KO is a pathetic Obama hack dividing the party like this blog.

The real story is Wright but KO refuses to headline.

He is disgrace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 04/25/2008

Flagged for off topic content.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 04/25/2008
- Xspackle I'm a Fan of Xspackle 2 fans permalink

Hanging out here now, after you got outed at TPM?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 04/25/2008
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Rev. Wright is not the story...he is a Pastor and he is not running for anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 04/25/2008
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gotalife said: "The real story is Wright"

Damn, boy, he's not even the pastor of that church any more. Get over it.

John McCain hugged George Bush like he was slow dancing with his prom date. That is a far more damaging relationship than any between Barack Obama and some old pastor dude.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 04/25/2008
- Daly I'm a Fan of Daly 19 fans permalink

have you seen the pictures of bush giving Mcboom a birthday cake while katrina victims were drowning? Now McCain says he would have handled things differently, I guess he would have gotten rid of the pictures.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 04/26/2008

ko is a joke and getting to be a pretty fat joke if you know what i mean

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 04/25/2008
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Sounds like McGovern would secretly like to defect to Obama. It's not too late, Mr. McGovern, and you would be in the vanguard of a popular new trend.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 04/25/2008

Apparently, many in her campaign want to defect to Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 04/25/2008
- OrionGal I'm a Fan of OrionGal 10 fans permalink

Does anyone here remember what role Hillary had in McGovern's campaign?

Do you think she might be using the same tactics which were done to him by his opponent?

and that Hillary worked with Saul _____? to bring about Nixon's impeachment


where is that Nietzsche quote now that I want to put it in here......­........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 04/25/2008

I dunno, this one?

"To forget one's purpose is the commonest form of stupidity.­"

or this one?

"The visionary lies to himself, the liar only to others."

or maybe this one:

"The man of knowledge must be able not only to love his enemies but also to hate his friends."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 04/25/2008
- PopeRatzo I'm a Fan of PopeRatzo 19 fans permalink
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"Nixon's impeachment "

Wrong president. It was Bill Clinton who was impeached.

Nixon was the one who was supposed to be impeached, even after his resignation, but he was the one who got let off the hook.

Bush is the other one who should be impeached, but he's gotten sufficient cover from entrenched democrats like Mrs Clinton so that he doesn't have to worry.

But not Nixon, he wasn't impeached, by Hillary, "Saul _____" or anyone else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 04/25/2008

wrong, Nixon had impeachment papers filed against him and resigned as president to be later fully pardoned by Ford. Bill Clinton was cleared of his impeachment counts and finished out his term.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 04/25/2008
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