George McGovern: Still Backing Clinton, But Going Way Off Script

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First Posted: 04-25-08 11:43 AM   |   Updated: 05- 3-08 05:12 AM

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Former senator and Democratic presidential aspirant George McGovern says he sees some striking similarities when it comes to his run at the White House and that of Sen. Barack Obama. But ultimately, McGovern argues, Obama has organized a much wider political coalition and thus a greater chance of electoral success.

"I think that is his strength," McGovern told The Huffington Post. "He has very broad appeal. He certainly is going to galvanize the black vote. But he has strong appeal to voters of all kinds. Some of the old buckaroos out here in South Dakota are for him."

In recent days, following Obama's loss in the Pennsylvania primary, concern has been raised in Democratic circles that the Illinois Democrat could not expand his political base beyond African-Americans and college students -- a limitation that stunted McGovern's candidacy.

But McGovern, who lost the 1972 election to incumbent Richard Nixon by landslide margins, doesn't attribute his defeat to merely the contours of his political base. Indeed, he argues that his candidacy was damaged more by the infighting that occurred within the Democratic Party even after he had secured the nomination.

"After I had the nomination won and everything except the crowning at the convention, the other candidates that I had defeated in the primaries and the caucuses ganged up on me and spent the next month just bad mouthing me around the country," he said. "And, of course the Nixon people used some of the quotes and threw them back at me in the general election."

It is in this regard -- not necessarily his general election defeat -- that McGovern worries history could end up repeating itself. Noting that Obama seems poised to be the eventually nominee, though believing Sen. Hillary Clinton should stay in the race, he called for a more civil discourse between the two candidates.

"That is the one minus," he said. "I think there has been a little too much negative backbiting. And that is the one negative that concerns me because it is what happened to me in '72... I had to go into that convention exhausted, instead of spending the last few months carefully and systematically picking a running mate and getting my convention organized. We can't have that again."

This, however, is not the only similarity McGovern draws between his run for the White House and the current process. In '72, after he won the California primary and clinched the nomination, McGovern's Democratic opponents argued that the delegation should have been rewarded on a proportional basis, rather than winner-take-all. It was, McGovern says, a changing of the rules in mid-game that resulted both in the weakening of his campaign and his limping into the convention. Thirty-six years later, he sees parallels with the Clinton campaign's push to count the results of the non-DNC-sanctioned Florida and Michigan primaries.

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"We can't overturn those rules now that the counting is over," he said. "I think Barack didn't even enter one contest [Michigan]. Those states knew what the rules were, all the candidates knew what the rules were, and to change it now I think is wrong."

It's not the only process issue on which McGovern, who has endorsed Clinton, finds himself at varying odds with the New York Democrat. On the topic of superdelegates, which were created as a concession to the primary reforms that McGovern initiated, the South Dakotan argues that these party insiders must take into strong consideration the pledged delegate tally.

"Yeah, I think that is important," he said. "It also reduces the frustration we would have if the candidate with the most pledged delegates was rejected. There is going to be some frustration anyway. There always is. I just hope it doesn't result in the kind of back-fighting I had to face after I secured the nomination."

Despite these differences, McGovern is not backing away from his support of Clinton. He deems her "one of the most talented, articulate and well-informed people in the country," whom he has known for 35 years, since she worked on his campaign in Texas. And he expects her to stay in the race at least until the last primary commences in his home state. But in the interim, he hopes, the tone and tenor of the campaign will be ratcheted down a notch,

"I don't want to see Hillary or Barack giving McCain ammunition in the general election," said McGovern. "It is more important that we not have another four years of Bush government."

Former senator and Democratic presidential aspirant George McGovern says he sees some striking similarities when it comes to his run at the White House and that of Sen. Barack Obama. But ultimately, M...
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- reelcobra I'm a Fan of reelcobra 7 fans permalink

If even McGovern thinks Obama is going to get McGoverned like he did, boy. That should scare us lefties.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 04/25/2008

I dont McGovern said that at all. In fact, I think he said it wouldn't happen to Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 04/25/2008
- cherrycola I'm a Fan of cherrycola 4 fans permalink

McGovern's choice of running mate seems to've dealt the death blow to his campaign. There was that big scandal because this man, Thomas Eagleton, had received psychiatric treatment for depression. This always struck me as a strange lapse in judgement on McGovern's part-- apparently he blames it on "exhaustion," but that seems questionable. I would hope that Obama would make a better choice-- he seems more astute when it comes to such strategic decisions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 04/25/2008

QUESTION:

The "Grand Old Party"/GOP is the party of the right/Christian/conservatives. If that is the case, why do so many minorities and gay and lesbians believe they are elitist, bigots?

Can bigots be Christian or is that a contradiction? Why do the GOP try to "out Christian" everyone else? Are these types of hypocrisies the reason many have stopped going to church? How many blacks or hispanics do Hannity or Rush have in their church's congregation?

Just asking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 04/25/2008

Good observation !!!

Just to be sure, before I replied to your post, I looked the word "bigot" up in the dictionary. It said:

"a right-wing, GOP conservative"

Yep; you were right !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 04/25/2008
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Christian bigots? Is that even POSSIBLE???? Just being cynical of course, but it's sad to see that the term Christian has descended to such a low level because of the actions of a few hard right zealots. I was working with a deeply religious woman in a PTA setting a few years ago and the proposal was made that we try to focus on "tolerance" as a way to bring the children together. The woman looked at me with genuine bewilderment and sai, "Isn't tolerance a BAD thing?" Such is the world we live in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 04/25/2008
- cherrycola I'm a Fan of cherrycola 4 fans permalink

There are a lot of true Christians in this country, but they don't call attention to themselves because they care more about helping their fellows and striving to improve themselves than judging others and trying to amass power over others.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 04/25/2008

I believe what is happening now in the nomination race is a good thing for Obama. He gets to prove how tough and creative he can be in testing times. Can he stayed inspired? Can he inspire when so much dirt is being thrown at him? The Clinton campaign ran an ad about "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen". Which is funny since they are ALWAYS complaining about how they were outspent 3:1, sometimes exaggerating that to 10:1. Every utterance from the Clinton camp comes across as either spin, a lie, or whining.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 04/25/2008
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Our corporate MSM will make this Democratic

defeat look like another McGovern style lose,

but the truth is it will be another invention of

their own making like with Dean's Scream,

or even more like John Kerry's swift-boating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 04/25/2008
- mdcolli I'm a Fan of mdcolli 5 fans permalink

McGovern needs to speak with the Clintons...Oh well what was I thinking if Hillary isn't the nominee she wants to distroy Obama's chances so that she can say I told you so...Then wait for '12.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 04/25/2008

McGovern lost the support of my blue collar, Southern, white family when he dumped his running mate, Tom Eagleton, because it was made public that Eagleton had had electroshock therapy for depression. Where I come from, we'll take a chance on a smarty pants college candidate, but we won't back him if he goes all weenie about the polling numbers and tries to guarantee himself a victory via disloyalty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 04/25/2008
- fourex I'm a Fan of fourex 17 fans permalink
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Thanks for insight on how you voted for Reagan/Bush/Bush. Don't take a chance, read a goddamn book. Another smarty pants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 04/25/2008
- drzoon I'm a Fan of drzoon 15 fans permalink

mc govern was/is not weenie. check out his WWll war record. the irony was... this guy had more balls than the losers he was running against.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 04/25/2008
- Beninn I'm a Fan of Beninn 33 fans permalink
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I think it would be hard to find anyone today, including educated voters, who wouldn't have a problem with a President who had been diagnosed with clinical depression and had been treated with electroshock therapy, much less back in 1972.

There are epileptics today who still try to keep their diagnosis a secret for fear of being discriminated against.

Do you think your family is representative of the voting populace as a whole?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 04/25/2008
- wayoutleft I'm a Fan of wayoutleft 41 fans permalink
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it's especially ironic that we look back on a candidate who proposed a $1000 guaranteed annual income as we await our stimulus checks.
but here's how obama may resemble mcgovern: mcgovern was fed a young missouri senator named tom eagleton as a running mate. then eagleton's psychiatric care was tipped, destroying mcgovern.
obama has to take great care that he isn't set up by pro-war democrat reactionaries so they can bury the progressives for another two generations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 04/25/2008

It wasn't the fact that Eagleton was dumped. It was that McGovern announced that he was behind him 1000 percent when it first came out, then caved a week later. He showed his dishonesty or his lack of backbone in a glaring fashion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 04/25/2008

Exactly. If McGovern had shown some god**** spine, he'd be remembered in a more positive light.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 04/25/2008

Even Hillary's supporters acknowledge that Obama does get the the blue collar vote "... McGovern argues, Obama has organized a much wider political coalition and thus a greater chance of electoral success."

"I think that is his strength," McGovern told The Huffington Post. "He has very broad appeal. He certainly is going to galvanize the black vote. But he has strong appeal to voters of all kinds. Some of the old buckaroos out here in South Dakota are for him."

It must piss the Clintons off big time to be getting their butts kicked by "the not experienced enough," black freshman senator from Illinois. The Clintons should be asking their selves why with all of their experience of 40 years in politics and having run 4 presidential campaigns are they getting beat by a rookie first time presidential candidate?

What a joke Clinton with all of her experience can't close the deal and beat a first time black freshman senator from Illinois.

lol lol lol rotfl

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 04/25/2008
- CTmom13 I'm a Fan of CTmom13 9 fans permalink

The Clinton's are DESTROYING the Democratic party....If they give Clinton the nomination there will be a REAL LEGIT 3rd party

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 04/25/2008

At all costs, they and I say they, because this is a Billary issue. What will happen is that J McCain will cream HC in November if wh is the nominee. This is why they are trying so hard to make Barack fail. McCain knows that his candidancy represents yesterday and Barack represents the future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 04/25/2008
- messstower I'm a Fan of messstower 2 fans permalink

The Democratic Party is in for a surprise. i went to a meeting to organize Blacks should the election be taken from Obama.
At this moment there are only 7200 people signed and pledged NOT TO VOTE.and stay home, we are starting with a base of Frat and Sorority brothers and Sisters. Democrats have taken us for granted for too long! This will be the dividing factor. STAY HOME for Obama!!!!!

Since, Obama is being chastised for what Rev. Wright says should I hold all Catholics responsible for not leaving the Catholic Church after all the highly publicized molestations that took place by beloved priests?

From what I observed when the Pope was here there are many Catholics attending the church many attending the same parishes molestations took place!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 04/25/2008
- captnEarl I'm a Fan of captnEarl 8 fans permalink
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3rd party YES I am 1 retired old fart white guy who's gonna be with you bros. and sisters all the way if the Clintons are allowed to STEEL this nomination from Barack

HELL YES WE WILL!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 04/25/2008
- cherrycola I'm a Fan of cherrycola 4 fans permalink

I can already imagine the Facebook groups springing up. . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 04/25/2008
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 144 fans permalink
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Maybe I remember wrong, but wasnt Wallace a KKK card carrying racist for many years? Didnt he make comments about putting African Americans on boats and shipping them back the Africa? This is the type of person on Clintons side?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 04/25/2008

Did we read the same article?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 04/25/2008

wallace was someone going against Mc govern along with muskie . Is that the mix up?
But for sure Mc govern was a real progressive so why is he with clinton_

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 04/25/2008

knock - knock - knock

Is loki in there ????

The article...George McGovern.....not George Wallace !!!

{lol}

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 04/25/2008

George Wallace was, yes. This article was about George McGovern. George Wallace died several years ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 04/25/2008

You are confusing George McGovern and George Wallace - two very different people, at different ends of the political spectrum. This article is about the liberal George McGovern from South Dakota, not Wallace who was an unashamed racist from Alabama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 04/25/2008
- livesimply I'm a Fan of livesimply 30 fans permalink
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Sure sounds like an Obama endorsement to me. Some of these folks are just scared of Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 04/25/2008

Hillary STILL has no chance, and yet she persists in doing the very things that hurt the entire party in the past. She is a sociopath. She just wants McCain to win so she can have a shot next cycle.

It's OBVIOUS.

However, despite the medias current vapid analysis (they have the attention span of a slow 8 year old child, that is to say utterly narcissistic and pulled around by the brightest or loudest object in the room)
Obama is GOING to overcome Hillary, and he is GOING to overcome McCain, in that he is significantly more gifted in every area that qualifes one as president.

McGovern is simply pointing out Hillary's complete lack of concern for the welfare of the party. Good for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 04/25/2008
- kettletop I'm a Fan of kettletop 5 fans permalink

Thank you, Voice of Reason.

I can't believe George McGovern is still around! My first awareness of presidential elections was Nixon McGovern. It cost me my friendship with my best friend, who came from Republican stock.

She sang:
Whistle while you work
McGovern is a jerk
Rossellini bit his weenie
now it doesn't work.

I assume that Rossellini was the candidate for Washington State governor, but I don't remember. What I DO remember, is that this little ditty on the playground became the beginning of the end of our friendship, and the start of my interest in politics....

See Generation Jones.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 04/25/2008

I remember that same song except it was "...Nixon is a jerk..." I think Rossellini was the governor at that time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 04/25/2008
- Jezreel I'm a Fan of Jezreel 75 fans permalink
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This was an informative post. I was not interested in politics when McGovern was running for president and did not have the background info, especially as it relates to Democratic infighting which derailed his candidacy. McGovern's input about the disarray of the Democratic Party, his battle fatigue and inability to prepare for the GE does provide insight and contributes to the urgency of the moment. Like, George, I believe the tenor and tone of the current primary cycle has become intensely personal and damaging to both candidates. I also think the Dems must change the rules for electing nominees in the future. This process has taken too long. Moreover, the Party does not have leaders who can step in and exercise influence to rein in the candidates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 04/25/2008
- argent1 I'm a Fan of argent1 29 fans permalink

Why hasn't Clinton stepped down to satisfy all you Clinton-haters? Because she beat you in Pennsylvania! It's not like a baseball team clinches the pennant and sends in the second string to finish out the season, Obama spent 2-3 times more than Clinton in PA and scored less runs while running all across the state. Tides turn predictably. With 6 months-plus til election day why can't things change again compared to just the last 2?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 04/25/2008

It's the 9th inning and she's behind by 20 runs. If she hits a home run, she's still behind (by 19 runs).
Get it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 04/25/2008
- utd I'm a Fan of utd 20 fans permalink
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Thank you random narcissistic Hillary supporter for posing a question no one cares about, and being kind enough to answer it for us. We look forward to your future miscellaneous ramblings that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Perhaps you should inquire with your children on the subtleties of not looking like a jackass on the internet though (i.e. caps lock guy, I hit the enter key too much guy, and oooh oooh I totally got you but I'm posting in the wrong thread guy).

What changed exactly BTW? Your fearless leader Jim Jones did inform you that she is still losing, and has no chance from here on out (baring a miracle) of getting the nomination based on any metric to judge this primary.. right? Oh she must have forgotten, taking sniper fire while fleeing the Philly airport can really rattle your brain I hear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 04/25/2008
- drzoon I'm a Fan of drzoon 15 fans permalink

let me guess....

you got D's in math... right?

(and skipped civics as well i assume)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 04/25/2008

Let's see... she's been building to this for the last eight years, had huge name recognition, a giant corporate war chest, a powerful party machinery and is married to the last Democratic president. She theoretically had the nomination locked up. And until a month ago she had a 20% plus lead in PA, and still this smart, dedicated, experienced, inspiring big-eared kid came along and is beating her? In every respect, including donations by real people (instead of corporations) and is assured to win the nomination via the only math that matters: the delegate count.

So what were you saying about why Clinton hasn't admitted defeat? it's for the good of the party, right? The good of America? How about the good of Hillary?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 04/25/2008
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