Keith Olbermann's Idea For Beating Hillary: Literally Beating Hillary

Huffington Post   |  Rachel Sklar   |   April 25, 2008 12:44 AM


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There are two kinds of people in the world: People who think there's an ugly strain of misogyny running through Hillary Clinton's media coverage, and people who think she's just not very likable and deserves it for running such a mean campaign and is ruining the Democratic party and has an annoying laugh and should just shut up and get out of the race already. Regular readers of this column won't be surprised to learn that I fall into the former category, having cataloged a fair number of examples here, but I'd think that even if I agreed with the second part I'd still agree with the first, because her coverage is just that bad. I am not going to run through it now — if you're interested, there are 83 specific examples documented here — but I am going to offer up an unbelievable statement made by Keith Olbermann on Wednesday night's show as proof.

Olbermann was discussing the election with Newsweek's Howard Fineman, a frequent guest. They topic was, how can a winner finally be determined in this never-ending Democratic race for the nomination? Of course, the assumption was that it was Clinton that should be shown the door (despite clearly still earning her spot in the race thanks to, um, voters). Fineman said that, all the delegate math aside, ultimately it was going to take "some adults somewhere in the Democratic party to step in and stop this thing, like a referee in a fight that could go on for thirty rounds. Those are the super, super, super delegates who are going to have to decide this."

Said Olbermann: "Right. Somebody who can take her into a room and only he comes out."

Watch it:

What does that mean? Really, it can only mean one thing: Beating the crap out of Hillary Clinton, to the point where she is physically incapable of of getting up and walking out. At minimum. We know this. We know this because we have all seen movies where people are invited into private places to have "discussions" and the unruly party is, um, dealt with accordingly. It's an unmistakably violent image.

Do I really think Olbermann thinks Hillary Clinton should really be violently beaten to the point of physical incapacitation, or worse? No, though some have taken that statement to its logical conclusion. But it is an unmistakably violent image — and that point seems to be undisputed by those who have written about it so far (Google "Olbermann" and "take her into a room" and you'll see results like "Keith Olbermann Advocates Violence Against Hillary" "Olbermann: Misogyny 101" "Calls To End Race Turn Violent""Olbermann: How To Snuff Out Hillary Clinton"). Even Fineman seemed taken aback by the statement - there is a distinct pause after, and it's an eternity in TV time. He's not facing the camera but you can tell that the statement was jarring. (Even so he agreed, saying, "Yes, yes exactly.")

There really seems to be only one interpretation here, and the only point of debate is on whether it's okay or not. I'm going to cut that one short: It's not. To the fellow (male) journo I wrote to about this yesterday, who waved it off as just some colorful film-noir imagery, I say: can you IMAGINE if someone had said that about Obama? That he should be taken somewhere and dealt with, so that he wouldn't come back? Can you imagine if some right-winger had talked about getting Obama out of the race "the old-fashioned way?" If that last one makes you cringe, it should, because it evokes a history of violence against black people in this country that is raw and real. Well, frankly, the same goes for women — many of whom have been taken somewhere private, and never returned.

I can already hear the outcry of those who can't believe I'd equate the gender card with the race card. Well, too bad. They're both issues, they're both factors, and in the first presidential campaign where both a woman and an African-American have a real shot at the nomination, they're both all too germane. Each of the candidates is a complex person whose appeal or lack thereof can be endlessly parsed and attributed to all sorts of factors. But sexism is one of them, and part of the problem is that too many of such comments are waved away as being just jokes or not a big deal or geez, take a chill pill. Well sure, I'd be happy to — as soon as I can no longer find articles like this one, which cites the example of "a politically progressive man who made a series of legitimate complaints about Clinton's policies before adding that when he hears the senator's voice, he's overcome by an urge to punch her in the face."

To my mind, this is much worse than Pimp-Gate, which entailed an off-color implication resulting from David Shuster's misguided attempt to sound cool, and even worse than Chris Matthews saying that Clinton had gotten where she was because her husband had "messed around." If David Shuster can be suspended for likening Chelsea Clinton to a prostitute, then what happens when Keith Olbermann implies that the only way to stop Hillary Clinton is to inflict some sort of physical harm on her? Like I said above, I don't think that Olbermann meant it literally, but that's not the point. Words matter, and so do the images they evoke. This can't be ignored.

Update: And it wasn't — an MSNBC spokesperson sent over an apology from Olbermann, which I have reprinted in full:

It is a metaphor. I apologize: the generic "he" gender could imply something untoward. It should've been "only the other comes out - from a political point of view." You could've called for reaction first if your main motive had merely been criticism.

It is true, I did not contact MSNBC for comment - I was reacting specifically to the on-air commentary by their top-rated anchor, as seen by me and about 950,000 other people. To be fair, Olbermann regularly does the same in his "Worst Persons" segment, which often calls out on-air personalities for their remarks. I do, however, appreciate the alacrity of Olbermann's and MSNBC's response.

Update to the Update: Olbermann apologized on the air tonight, explaining that he ought to have made the statement pronoun-neutral and specific to politics; I am once again impressed with the alacrity of Olbermann and MSNBC.

The full clip is here:


Keith, what are we talking about here exactly?
[The Confluence]

Related:
Hillary Sexism Watch: Part Eighty-Three
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So, this is sexist and mysogynist, but Hillary's own surrogate implying that she has the balls to get things done isn't? Why would she need balls? Or testicular fortitude, or whatever her surrogate said on camera and two feet away from her. Since when does the presence or lack of testicles indicate an ability to get things done? Could it be a metaphor? I certainly hope so or Hillary's got some 'splainin to do.

Could it be that anything that could possibly be construed as mysoginistic against Hillary Clinton will automatically be attacked as such, despite it also having been a metaphor? Of course. Keith Olbermann made a comment that at worst, could be construed as violent. Was it a bit stupid? Yep. Was it in any way mysoginistic? Only to those that choose to see it that way.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 05/01/2008

I wonder...If Mr. Olbermann thought Obama should leave the race would he suggest the DNC elders should lynch the freshman Senator from Illinois? Yeah, right! Can you even imagine? When are these dunderheads going to learn they can't say this stuff? That would be when we cry out loud enough and write letters and boycott their sponsors and turn off MSNBC and watch CNN, which for my money (literally) has had a much more professional approach. I have been out campaigning in Indiana and Kentucky for Hillary and the good news is they have no idea who Keith Olbermann except for his football gig!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 04/28/2008

Airheads for Hillary!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 04/28/2008

Airheads for Hillary? Hmmm. Would that include the one PhD, one JD, 5 Master's degree holders, 9 college graduates, the nurses, teachers, builders, realtors, psychologists, lawyers, retirees and students in my family who have read her plans on each issue and decided to donate money, walk precincts, put up yard signs, join prayer circles, make phone calls, talk to friends and vote early for her in Indiana? Or do you mean the more than 14,000,000 Americans who have already turned out and voted for her? Or do you mean the millions more who are anxiously waiting their turn to vote for her? Golly that's an awful lot of fine, patriotic, tax paying Americans you are calling Airheads, buddy. You care to rethink that snotty little comment you tossed off? Or do you plan to go with that and just keep that little chip on your shoulder, that smirk on your face, and those trembling, furious fingers dancing over the keys in a bald effort to dismiss a nasty, knotty little problem for the majority of thinking people? Just wondering as I wander Indiana preparing to deliver the state for a great lady.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 04/28/2008

wouldn't it be sexist to alter the tired analogies the media uses just because clinton is a woman? does this mean no more sports metaphors because they are masculinist?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 04/27/2008

If Obama can't debate Hillary, no matter what she throws at him, I doubt he can debate other world leaders. And gee. Some of them are female world leaders. This whole idea that Obama is "so pure" and "so special" only shows why he isn't a leader. Neurotic people seek to label things as one extreme or the other. With the racial issue that equates to black or white, with the religious issue good or bad and with politics, many supporters try to apply the same formula--- Hillary's all bad and Obama is so, so good he walks on water and never says a negative thing. Gee whiz. Wonder what that giving of the finger was all about? Or the lie about how much money he got from William Ayers, terrorist, or about how William Ayers was only a "guy in his neighborhood" --even though Ayers held a fund-raiser for Obama in his own home and served for years on a board together (a paid position--Obama got $6000/yr) and on that board they gave the AAAN $75,000. This group supports PAL against Israel. But, we can say Hillary is bad and Obama is good. Delude yourselves. Obama wants .7% of the US GNP to go to Africa. Guess who will be paying for it while you don't have insurance and enough money to buy gas for your car.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 04/27/2008

You mean is WASN'T Hillary comparing herself to Rocky and doing dumb photo ops with a guy in boxing gloves?

Oh yeah - it was.

... nevermind

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 04/27/2008

You people are still talking about this? How about you just find something else to occupy your time?

Beat Hillary, beat hillary, beat hillary. We are going to Beat Hillary and Keith just said the truth.

Why should she be afraid? She's got Bill to protect her. Hahaha!!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 04/27/2008

Ms. Sklar, thank you for bringing some enlightenment to the coverage and commentary during this primary cycle. In some ways, these misogynistic asides prove that some "men don't mature any older than 14, they just learn how to manage it."

I've watched MSNBC grow increasingly impatient during this primary cycle and it caused me to wonder why since politics has become their daily ala carte item. Why would they want to cut short a primary that has fed Mathews, Olbermann, Gregory's new show and Abrams for months (although I must admit that Gregory and Abrams have not been nearly as offensive as Mathews and Olbermann of late)? The simple answer is that the network is playing to their demographic, that of younger, pimarily male viewers who typically show the maturity of a 14 year old who has not yet learned to manage their wobbly venture into civilized human discourse. A quick read of the posts herein illustrate the point.

Much to the protestation of Olbermann and his playground vendetta with Fox News, I, a life-long liberal, have found Fox to be much more fair in its coverage. Prior to MSNBC's equivalence of "calling girls yucky," by their coverage and comentary regarding Sen. Clinton, I would never have thought such a thing possible. It just proves if you live long enough, all things are possible.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 04/27/2008

(Part 3 of 3)
The premise that misogyny is worse than racism is another ply that is being bandied about in a very dangerous and disingenuous way. You can't compare the two, nor should you try to measure such a difference, as both are heinous! When does one begin and another end? It's a tough call and in such a tormented race as this has been, both sides are super touchy about words and phrasings used. Some times an issue is made when none exists and sometimes the issue exists but is denied by the speaker, it's an age-old situation and one that needs to be addressed but done with fairness and OBJECTIVITY.

I felt that this article is merely inciting more hate and division within the Democratic Party and this has got to STOP! Now please, can we all begin again?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 04/27/2008

(Part 2 of 3)
At the very start of the article, it made me cringe, but I forced on to see if I could find some sort of point in the piece other than the blatant "Nah, nah, nah, my Hillary is better than your Obama" routine. Alas, I was vastly disappointed.

After first woefully distorting the realities as to there only being two types of people, Ms Sklar then took something that Keith Olberman had said during a discussion about the heated fight between the two and twist it to take it literally is just completely disingenuous! The commonly used phrase "Somebody who can take her into a room and only he comes out." was not to suggest anything lewd nor treacherous, but is used to suggest that it's time to make this thing stop as it is hurting the Democratic Party as well as those involved. The expression was NOT A LITERAL THREAT as she seems to take it but an awkwardly phrased comment about a resolution. After Keith realized how some have taken it, he immediately offered up an apology on the next night's show.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 04/27/2008

(Part 1 of 3)
Oh my goodness, can you get any more biased in your initial conjecture? I am so totally sick and tired of this debate and the over simplification of the issues involved. Rachel Sklar begins her piece by stating that there are only two kinds of people in the world; 1.Those who are outraged by misogyny in the media and how it affects Hillary Clinton OR 2. Those who believe Hillary deserved all of the misogyny and hate the media is (supposedly) dishing up because she's running a "mean" campaign. Well, after reading that distorted supposition, I just wanted to scream. Cannot someone be of sound mind and body and think that Hillary Clinton is just not running a good campaign and that if and when the media comes down upon her in a woman-hating manner that maybe, just maybe none of us like that? Is it possible that the concept of misogyny (& racism) repulses many if not most of us? And is it not possible that many of us can hold many things within our heads while walking and chewing gum at the same time?

And then Ms. Sklar went on to obscenely elaborate on this Keith issue, which is dishonest at best, while being divisive & hateful at worst.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 04/27/2008

Olbermann's response was far, far, far more than the ridiculous insinuations of this article deserve. Good lord, how low are Clintonites going sink in the sliming and in playing victim game?

This disgusts me as a feminist, that others who would claim the same cause would write crap like this.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 04/26/2008

As the campaign days roll by, I watch the press & blogs with sadness and wonder. Considering this country's history of racism, sexism and violence against people of color and women, we should all cry foul whenever these images are invoked in the media, no matter who invokes them. Our national discourse needs to be better than this.

No matter who you support, hopefully it is plain as day that Keith Olbermann's statement is appalling and unacceptable. There is no justifying it -- no matter how passionately anyone feels about their canidate, KO, whoever/whatever. It is simply not ok to speak this way.

I was a very small child when RFK and MLK were shot. I don't remember much during those early years, except I clearly remember watching MLK's funeral and seeing my Mom break down when RFK's assisination was announced. We don't want to see this happen to any of our leaders, whether or not we agree with their perspective.

It's not only the gender implications of his "only HE comes out" pronoun -- it is the violence inciting nature of the image. "ONLY xxx comes out" says someone is incapacitated or dead. "Only xxx comes out" implies violence, even murder. I understand Keith may be tired and frustrated, but there's no excuse for this master of the English language to make a statement like that on air.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 04/26/2008

What are you talking about? Sexism! huh?????????? HILLIAR is a Freaking LIAR. She is a Neo-Con, she is a warmonger, she had two thousands faces, she simply CAN NOT BE TRUSTED.... What the Fruit are you talking about? So if you don't vote for HILLIAR then you are a sexist and a hate women and if you don't like HILIAR you hate America.... This is BS...I can't believe people write and believe this shit. NOT TODAY THO... HILLIAR LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST the Nomination. Get it?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 04/26/2008


Initially was hoping the article from Rachel Sklar was a parody because this kind of figurative language, similar to "taking someone (of any gender) to the woodshed", is so common, it's unimaginable to me that anyone could consider it sexist, trite maybe, but not sexist. Although I consider myself a feminist, Sklar's looking for signs of sexism in every casual comment in order to cry victim is nauseating . Also, it's sometimes forgotten that Hillary Clinton, from day one in the White House, went out of her way to alienate the press and they paid her back in kind, so I'm not so sure that their frequent characterizations of her as a virago aren't based more on her personality than her gender. In any case, she has been the subject of some sexist attacks, and that is unfortunate, whatever the cause, but Olberman's comment was not one of them.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 04/26/2008


...Keith Olbermann can do no wrong in my eyes...and that's all that matters to me...

...he is the only news man in the MSM today with the cajones to call out bull sh*t when he sees it...

...BRAVO Keith...you are awesome...keep speaking up and putting HRC and her shady campaign, Bill O'Really? and all those other punks out there on blast...


Obama 2008!


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favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 04/26/2008

Poverty, hate, cruelty don't discriminate. They are equal opportunity destroyers. The hate, and sometimes cruelty, that proliferates Obama's campaign and followers is destroying good folks. Folks with the best of intentions that needed him, but needed him to be true, not a fabricated and calculated illusion, not so blindly ambitious that he sacrifices them as stepping stones to his throne.

And sadly, they have someone that despite their hate will fight for them till her voice is gone and her last penny is spent, that will fight for them as they hurl their messiah-inspired cruelty at her, even with threats of violence, that will fight for them no matter what, to the very end.

Sadly the true person they need is right in front of them, as they hurl stones at her.

Those poor folks are truly losing the most here.

And that breaks my heart.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 04/26/2008

Um, Don't political discussions often have a violent overtone? "He clobbered him", "She took him to the wood shed", "He put her in her place", etc., etc., I think people are grabbing at straws to find things to gripe about!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 04/26/2008

The point is that Hillary expects to be treated differently and her supporters agree. Words that are acceptable when addressing a male candidate, becomes sexist when she's involved. I (being female) can say that I want to punch bush in the face, but as soon as I say the same about Hillary, I'm advocating violence against women. Now of course history should be taken into account and words like "c###" or "b####" for Hillary or "boy" for Obama are neither intelligent, acceptable nor considerate, but "feminists" want it both ways - equal, but special.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 04/26/2008

Well said.

And this effect is what the Clinton campaign is counting on when they "challenge" Obama to a "moderator -free debate".

They know damn well that without a moderator between the candidates, Hillary can attack, slime, insinuate, and lie all she wants, and Obama is screwed if he replies in kind, because he will be branded a bully and a sexist.

Accepting a debate with Clinton sans moderator is a lose-lose proposition for Obama. Hopefully his advisors will not fall for such an obvious trap. What's really unfortunate is that all the pseudo-feminists in Hillary's camp would never cop to this even being a ploy, but it clearly is.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 04/26/2008

I don't think he really meant she should be physically beaten.
The problem here is that is one of many statements made by Keith against Hillary.
He has been campaigning against her for 3 months now. He spends almost 10 minutes a night discrediting her and her campaign, demanding she should step down and long winded blow hard lechers on the ethics of her campaign.

When did this kind of stuff turn into news?
Why isn't every channel I turn to is trying to persuade my vote one way or the other?
Keith just seems to be the worse of the bunch.
He incites hatred for Hillary and everything he disagrees with.

We all know Keith supports Obama but Keith should take page from Obama and attack the issues and not the people.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 04/26/2008

Dear Ms. Sklar. It is my opinion that you are looking for bogey men in the corners. My take on KO's remark were more along the lines of old back room politicking techniques, not misogynistic hate speech, as you imply. How about YOU take a chill pill. Mydol, in fact. Or is that misogynistic, as opposed to gender specific to the author. Given the amount of coverage given to this nomination process there are just so many metaphors to go around. I think your time would be better spent watching the truly abhorrent things happening in the world. Say, for example, the American genocide of the Iraqi people, or the drumbeat of war on Iran. So take that Mydol, sip your martini, and ply your trade where it might do some good.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 04/26/2008

Personally, I don't like Hillary, but I DO like her politics and positions which is why I am supporting her. Unfortunately, I have seen nothing from Obama supporters but name calling, slander and support for right wing policies and lies about her that would make McCain and the GOP proud. Thus it is even more disturbing when Olberman takes the rhetoric to a new level as he did. It is just another part of Obama saying he is in favor of new politics and using the OLD politics. One has to ask what kind of bipartisan comity Obama and his supporters will achieve if he wins, if they cannot treat a person of their own party decently? Just look at the posts about Clinton to see the vile slanders, and hatred expressed. Olberman is right in that it poses no real threat because such people as he are cowards and too afraid of their own shadows to DO anything.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 04/26/2008

for all of the advantages Hillary had gotten in the media prior to any voting taking place ( her candidacy dominated the airwaves a year before she announced), i cant help but say that this post reeks of the gravy many Hillary supported have immersed themselves in. now that the VOTERS are speaking their minds, HIllary fans cant seem to quit whining about how the media wont kiss her ass anymore. These kind of posts are a total waste of time, and i just had to comment to Rachel: her poll numbers last fall were so falsely inflated because of the media selling her 'brand,' when the 'boys' were ganging up on her its ok to play the gender card, when she doesnt like questions at a debate she openly complains. Hillary had had my vote, but the way her campaign has been conducted both by her people and quasi-journalists in the blogosphere has been completely dispicable.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 04/26/2008

Kieth Olberman should be suspended I have heard several references like this coming from obamabots throughout this election and it is disturbing, wow the inspiration obama has caused, nothing I will ever be a part of.

For the most part the responses are typical, especially from the male species that post on this board . Violence towards women has been in the culture of our society since the beginning, but for the young women who are trying to defend this, may you NOT be the 1:5 women that are raped, or the closer ratio of your boyfriend/husband beating you or killing you, which society calls Domestic Violence. Yes sexism, mysoginist is just as, if not more prevelent than racism in our society, and it has run rampant this election cycle.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 04/26/2008

He apologised and said it should have been gender neutral. Guess what? Olbermann has a large and growing audience, there's no way he'd be suspended. He didn't say anything that would garner a suspension anyway.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 04/26/2008

Surely, Olbermann can come up with a better fantasy than beating Hillary with a crowbar. How crude!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 04/26/2008

trying to inject a little of the right-wing talking points into the issue? Olbermann didn't mention anything about a crowbar.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 04/26/2008

The crowbar seems to be your particular fantasy. Olbermann didn't mention one.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 04/26/2008

Does anyone seriously think Keith Olbermann was actually suggesting violence against Senator Clinton? Posters here and on other websites have actually been contacted -- in person -- by Secret Service agents for implying harm to people under their protection. If a rational person could infer that was truly his meaning, he wouldn't have been on the air the next evening.

Olbermann used a metaphor that would have gone completely unnoticed if he were referring to a male candidate. He apologized for it. Senator Clinton certainly uses tough language often enough. She also has been guilty of misspeaking one more than a few occassions.

I wonder how many of those expressing outrage here actually saw that broadcast and were upset by it at the time? (Not to be confused with anger over his suggestion she leave the race). More likely those strong feelings didn't occur until Rachel Sklar told them how to feel.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 04/26/2008

I wholeheartedly agree. This has gotten absolutely ridiculous. I actually saw the show when it aired and I thought nothing of his remark. To say that he was advocating male violence against women misses the point and gives feminism a bad name. A feminist analysis/critique is a good thing but in this case it looks like utter nonsense.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 04/26/2008

There are historically much more egregious cases that this and you could show language being used to demean women, like when the Times of London published a defense of the lock hospital portion of the "Contagious Diseases Acts" (against female prostitutes) saying that "we do not punish a sewer when we clean it, therefore we do not punish a prostitute when we seclude and heal her." There are a lot of objectionable aspects to that characterization, the most obvious being what a sewer is being compared to. Then add the fact that doctors didn't know anything about "healing" VD and the labeling of a prostitute was the end of legitimate work for any part-timer who had to engage in sex for money in order to eat/survive (a character reference was everything and no registered prostitute would get that). Given the whole backg