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ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS | April 25, 2008 08:17 AM EST | AP

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The finances of many states have deteriorated so badly that they appear to be in a recession, regardless of whether that's true for the nation as a whole, a survey of all 50 state fiscal directors concludes.

The situation looks even worse for the fiscal year that begins July 1 in most states.

"Whether or not the national economy is in recession _ a subject of ongoing debate _ is almost beside the point for some states," said the report to be released Friday by the National Conference of State Legislatures.

The weakening economy is hitting tax revenue in a number of ways: People's discretionary income is being gobbled up by higher food and fuel costs, while the tanking housing market means people are spending less on furniture and appliances associated with buying a house.

The situation is grim in Delaware, with a $69 million gap this year, and bleak in California, with a projected $16 billion budget shortfall over the next two years, the report said. Florida does not expect a rapid turnaround in revenue because of the prolonged real estate slump there.

By mid-April, 16 states and Puerto Rico were reporting shortfalls in their current budgets as the revenue those budgets were built on _ typically, taxes _ fell short of estimates. That's double the number of states reporting a deficit six months ago.

The NCSL said the news is even worse for the upcoming fiscal year, with 23 states and Puerto Rico already reporting budget shortfalls totaling $26 billion. More than two-thirds of states said they are concerned about next year's budgets.

The results are consistent with a drumbeat of bad economic news for states that several budget groups have produced in the past few months.

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Last week, the Washington-based Center on Budget and Policy Priorities said 27 states are reporting projected budget shortfalls next year totaling at least $39 billion.

President Bush said Tuesday that the economy was not in a recession but a period of slower growth. However, some economists have pointed to the string of declines in manufacturing orders to argue that the economy has fallen into a recession.

Bolstering their position, the Commerce Department reported Thursday that sales of new homes plunged in March to the lowest level in 16 1/2 years. The government also reported that orders to factories for big-ticket goods fell for a third straight month in March, the longest string of declines since the 2001 recession.

Some states "have declined so much that they appear to be in a recession," the NCSL report said.

It also noted the silver lining for states where the economy is based on energy, such as North Dakota and Wyoming. Alaska is making so much money from oil that it announced an estimated surplus next year of $8 billion, almost twice the state's annual budget.

In North Dakota, revenue is above legislative predictions by 13 percent, and in Louisiana, the oil and gas sector is robust.

"For energy-producing states, the fiscal situation is strong and the outlook is good," the report said.

Among other findings:

_More than half the 16 states reporting deficits this year have cut spending, including $1 billion by Florida lawmakers last year and across-the-board cuts in Nevada. At least eight states are debating raising taxes or fees, including a proposed $1-per-pack cigarette tax increase in Massachusetts to raise $175 million.

_Twelve states, including Georgia, Idaho and Illinois, reported that personal income tax collections were failing to meet estimates, and in eight of these, collections were even below a reduced forecast.

_Many states, including Alabama, Arizona, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nevada and Wisconsin, plan to tap their rainy day funds, which contain money set aside for fiscal emergencies. Nevada may use its entire rainy day balance.

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Ohio and Michigan never recovered from the 2001 recession.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 04/25/2008
- mmckinl I'm a Fan of mmckinl 22 fans permalink

The poor and working class have been in a recession since 2001. Borrowing has helped tide them over. In every state.

Now the middle class is in recession, as food, fuel and health care costs skyrocket and wages stagnate and go lower. In every state.

The economic figures measure the economy as a whole, so while the rich got much richer everybody else suffered. In every state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 04/25/2008
- CC1 I'm a Fan of CC1 6 fans permalink

What budget?! I live in post-Katrina New Orleans, our state is quite used to being short on funds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 04/25/2008
- browndog2 I'm a Fan of browndog2 6 fans permalink

Apparently some of the white States are lying. Michigan for one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 04/25/2008
- LateDave I'm a Fan of LateDave 9 fans permalink

My daddy used to say, "We cannot all prosper taking in each other's washing." The service economy is a dead end.

Production of raw foodstuffs, fiber, logging, and the like for export while importing manufactured goods is what caused the Colonies to declare independence from Britain.

We *used* to manufacture stuff; Made in USA was the world standard. A few items such as optical goods were made better offshore, but everything in your home from your socks to your television was American. Now the US shoe industry is gone. Electronics. Clothing. Cars. White goods (washing machines, etc.). Even small retail stores (yes, service industry) are wiped out by the big boxes with their low-wage, no-medical "associates".

Look into the pay differential between high school kids running registers in mall specialty shops or cooked food delivery businesses and the bonus-based pay of managers/f­ranchisees­: a handful of living-wage jobs, a horde of mind-numbing drone positions with no job security, adults living with their parents or in groups.

"Recession? No just a little depression." -Herbert Hoover, 1929

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 04/25/2008
- Podewumun I'm a Fan of Podewumun 32 fans permalink

Hear! Hear! Well said, LateDave.

There's a certain sick fascination in watching as American business cannabalizes itself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 04/25/2008
- Podewumun I'm a Fan of Podewumun 32 fans permalink

oops. "cannibalizes".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 04/25/2008

Florida schools took the majority of the hit. This week, administrations called emergency meetings with all personnel. They were told, in Volusia County alone, that five schools will close, ALL spending is halted, any teacher that does not have 3 years plus one day no longer has a job, and all admin has a 3% decrease in pay. This is only the tip of the iceberg. They are making 10% budget cuts across the board.

Anyone that knows anything about Florida knows that the state puts less efforts into their schools than they do on their landscaping. As long as the state looks "pretty", screw the kids. They really don't get that education IS the key to a better life, economy, innovation, and everything else.

Governor Carlie Crist and his predecessor Jeb Bush have done a "heckeva job" in Florida.

Last point, all of you Floridians that just voted for the increase in homestead exemptions and the decrease in insurance premiums really should have investigated where they were taking the money from, school budgets. So if that is you, you have know right to complain about your schools. You're part of the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 04/25/2008
- rwe2late I'm a Fan of rwe2late 19 fans permalink

The government GDP figures are as fake as the inflation figure.

1) If measured GDP growth is 4%, and measured inflation is 3%, then
government-measured GDP growth is 1%.

If measured GDP growth is 4%, and ACTUAL inflation is 5%, then ACTUAL GDP
growth is worse than minus 1%.

2) statisticians use politically inspired “imputed” values to push the inflation figure down

3) the GDP includes over-priced military spending, environmental ripoffs, and imaginary
profits from imaginary financial services

We are in a recession, and have been for some time.

State and local governments have been part of the derivative scam with their pension and
bond investments. They will all be soon laying off teachers and others.

Even though inflation will raise our taxes by driving most of us into higher tax brackets
(if we get a cost-of-living raise), the really rich can continue to be exempt thanks to the
Bush tax breaks for the wealthy. We would not want to change that, because that would
mean “raising” taxes.
Ha, ha, ha.

The biggest scam ever in world history is going on, transferring ever more wealth and
power upward, while pushing more and more into poverty, starvation, low benefit
employment, lack of health care, degraded environment, poorer schools, and with an ever
more out of control and secretive government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 04/25/2008
- kevinabt I'm a Fan of kevinabt 17 fans permalink

Well said. It is quite a mess. This is the natural consequence of giving control of our money supply over to private and ultra secretive groups with no accountability.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 AM on 04/26/2008
- abouttime I'm a Fan of abouttime 21 fans permalink

Follow the money.!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 04/25/2008
- fourex I'm a Fan of fourex 15 fans permalink
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Consumer sentiment hits 25 year low today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 04/25/2008
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 222 fans permalink
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26 billion thats sounds like a whole lot......

........until you think of what we are pissing away in Iraq....

...... or even the amount of money that has disappeared over there.

....think about that when you think about McCain

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 04/25/2008
- robeson I'm a Fan of robeson 21 fans permalink
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26 billion is only 6 weeks in the Baghdad green zone money exchange.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 04/25/2008
- drkazmd65 I'm a Fan of drkazmd65 51 fans permalink
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Just after looking over the little map inset,...

If the residents of FL, MN, OH, and VA (higlighed in various shades of red) vote for McCain - with his more of the same economic and 'war' policies - they are idiots even more so than the lower economic class people that keep voting for 'family values' Republicans that ship their jobs overseas.

Recesion has started to hit all of us except the filthy rich.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 04/25/2008

Doesn't it seem rather inane to you to lump all residence of a state together as "idiots" if the state goes for McCain?

Does that include the 5 million of us that will NOT vote for him? There are many of us that have tried to make a difference for a long time in Florida. Instead of relegating us to the "worse than lower economic class people with their guns and bibles shoved up their asses" crowd, please tell the 5 million people here how we can do better.

We hate the GOP for what they've done to this country too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 04/25/2008
- drkazmd65 I'm a Fan of drkazmd65 51 fans permalink
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As a native Hoosier, who then grew up, moved on and lived in the equally (as in low) progressive state of Kansas for about a decade, I apologize for the blanket statement of idiocy to the residents of FL, MN, OH, and VA,...

I understand where your feeling of frustration comes from against the GOP. I've been there.

I never could understand, even when the times were not nearly as sketchy in the 1990s, why the lower classes ever thought voting for Republican 'family values' candidates was a good idea. I mean - my Senator in Kansas as Brownback,... from one of the elitist money families in KS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 04/25/2008
- willo I'm a Fan of willo 5 fans permalink

When the government figures the rate of inflation, the price of food and the price of energy [gas, oil] are not included. How convenient, and how stupid? We don't even know who is running our country anymore. Is it being run for the benefit of US citizen's or the benefit of some nefarious, foreign and financial interest's?
Mobster's have taken complete control of this place. There is plenty of diffrent names for them, but to me it's a mafia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 04/25/2008
- Shaddup I'm a Fan of Shaddup 9 fans permalink
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The mafia would run it better than this bunch of "good ol' boys."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 04/25/2008
- kevinabt I'm a Fan of kevinabt 17 fans permalink

International bankers. Money buys political power, and they have all the power they can print. Also, medical expenses, housing, transportation, and education costs are not figured into the government's inflation figure. So basically, if you don't live anywhere, eat anything, go anywhere, use any energy, learn anything, or get sick (or buy anything from anyone who needs to get paid more because they do do those things) then your rate of inflation is a managable 3%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 AM on 04/26/2008
- KBAR I'm a Fan of KBAR 28 fans permalink
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How could a state, ANY State, be in a 'recession' when they didn't produce ANYTHING to begin with?

When did state TAX revenues become a component of GDP?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 04/25/2008
- Sparhawk I'm a Fan of Sparhawk 13 fans permalink

I agree. Welcome to the Welfare State of Mentality. It's not about what we produce..it's what we can get from the Government. We don't get enough...it's a crisis

The downward spiral continues

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 04/25/2008
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Good point. It's possible, just possible, that those state governments spent more money than they were taking in.

Which has nothing to do with the productivity of the citizens living within their borders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 04/25/2008
- Podewumun I'm a Fan of Podewumun 32 fans permalink

Who knew brain farts came in threes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 04/25/2008
- Annette I'm a Fan of Annette 15 fans permalink

It is an indicator of over all economics. For the less economically aware, if the residents of a state become less affuluent, home prices, sales, and jobs decrease. This is reflected in state revenue. Less employed people or people making less money the pay less in sales taxes and in payroll taxes. Home prices also go down. The state government does produce the conditions in which businesses either flourish or fail to. Decent schools and safe streets will lure better employees to an area offering an employer a better pool to select employees from. Good quality well maintained highways and streets facilitate distribution of goods. When the state collects less in taxes it indicates its citizens are not as well off and it then cannot provide the services which assist businesses to be more profitable. No not all businesses will fail, and not every citizen will have a decreased standard of living but overall it is one snapshot of a declining standard of living in the US. Add this to the lower life expectancy in the US while it is rising in most of the world. and the US is not doing well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 AM on 04/27/2008
- NotGuilty I'm a Fan of NotGuilty 8 fans permalink
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Cheney says, "SO? I got mine, where's yours? Hell, haha, I haven't even paid the 2%, 'rich-guys' taxes on that no-contract Halliburton billion I've made as a carpetbagger, war profiteer in Iraq.
It's taxes are DEFERRED,ya know, hehehehe".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 04/25/2008
- timothe I'm a Fan of timothe 7 fans permalink

One more note regarding gas prices:

Because of the lack of refineries in the US, gas prices are cyclical. Each year, the refineries must slow down production due to annual maintenance. They conduct annual maintenance at this time of year because they need to produce at full capacity in the summer.

This year, the spike has been higher than last year. But there was a spike at this time last year as well...over $3. By July, the price had gone back down by 60 cents or so and I expect it to do the same this year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 04/25/2008
- KBAR I'm a Fan of KBAR 28 fans permalink
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Don't forget the missed 'economy of scale' with mandatory blending of so many different grades.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 04/25/2008
- robeson I'm a Fan of robeson 21 fans permalink
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Does anyone know at what capacity refineries are running at? Don't ask, don't tell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 04/25/2008
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