Heated campaign souring Democrats on rival candidates

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ALAN FRAM | April 29, 2008 01:29 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., applauds with North Carolina Gov. Mike Easley at an event where he announced his endorsement of her candidacy, Tuesday, April 29, 2008, in Raleigh, N.C. (AP Photo/Elise Amendola)

WASHINGTON — Loyal Democrat Richard Somer says if Hillary Rodham Clinton gets his party's presidential nomination, he just may sit it out this Election Day.

A Barack Obama supporter, Somer says he has been repulsed by her use of "slimy insinuations" in the campaign. He especially disliked her attacking the Illinois senator for his relationship with William Ayers, a former Weather Underground radical with provocative views.

"She's better than that," said Somer, 72, a retired professor from Clinton, N.Y. He said he expects the Democrats to carry New York anyway, so he might not vote "as a protest to Mrs. Clinton."

Somer is not the only Democrat whose views of his party's rival candidate have soured.

Party members increasingly dislike the contender they are not supporting in the bruising nomination fight, an Associated Press-Yahoo News survey and exit polls of voters show. That is raising questions about how faithful some will be by the November general election.

In the AP-Yahoo poll _ which has tracked the same 2,000 people since November _ Obama supporters with negative views of the New York senator have grown from 35 percent in November to 44 percent this month, including one-quarter with very unfavorable feelings.

Those Obama backers who don't like Clinton say they would vote for Republican candidate John McCain over her by a two-to-one margin, with many undecided.

As for Clinton supporters, those with unfavorable views of Obama have grown from 26 percent to 42 percent during this same period _ including a doubling to 20 percent of those with very negative opinions.

The Clinton backers with unfavorable views of Obama say they would vote for McCain over him by nearly three-to-one, though many haven't made up their minds.

"I'd be hard pressed" to vote for Obama, said April Glenn, 66, a Clinton supporter from Philadelphia, who said his handling of the controversy over the anti-American preachings of his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, made her doubt his leadership skills. "I don't think he's capable."

Clinton backers who have taken a dislike to Obama have a sharply lower regard for his honesty and ethics than they did last fall, the poll shows. Obama supporters whose view of Clinton has dimmed see her as far less compassionate and refreshing than they did then.

The feelings seem especially widespread among the candidates' strongest supporters:

_About half of Obama's white backers with college degrees have negative views of Clinton. Fewer black Obama supporters dislike Clinton but their numbers have grown faster, more than doubling during the period to 33 percent.

_Among Clinton's supporters, Obama is disliked by nearly half the whites who have not gone beyond high school, a near doubling since November. Four in 10 white women backing her have unfavorable views of Obama.

Intensified passions during contentious intraparty fights are nothing new, and voters often return to the fold by the time the general election rolls around and people focus on partisan and issue differences.

"These are snapshots of today," said Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., a member of his party's congressional leadership who has not committed to Clinton or Obama. By autumn, he said, "the party will come together."

Yet with the battle between the two contenders threatening to stretch into June or beyond, some Democrats are wondering whether the party will have time to regain the loyalty of those whose candidate failed to win the party's nomination.

"If we can bring this to a conclusion by mid-June or something, I think that healing can take place," Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen, who has been pressing party leaders to settle on a nominee quickly, said in an interview. "If it goes till late August, then it's a real problem."

Others express concern but argue that the divisions are not nearly as intense as when the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago was split over the Vietnam War; when Ronald Reagan unsuccessfully fought President Ford for the Republican nomination in 1976; or when Sen. Edward Kennedy lost a bitter duel with President Carter to be the 1980 Democratic nominee. In each case, those parties' nominees lost the general election.

"It is not the same kind of rancor or bitterness" as those years, said Democratic pollster Peter Hart.

If by July 4 the Obama and Clinton campaigns are still maneuvering for advantage at the party's August convention, it will be harder to unify party voters and "Democrats will have done grievous harm to themselves," he said.

Obama and Clinton campaign officials express little concern their fight will leave Democratic voters disaffected come November.

"When the family squabble is over, the family will come back together," said Obama pollster Cornell Belcher.

Current Democratic divisions are "par for the course" at this stage of a campaign," said Clinton strategist Geoffrey Garin.

"I know a lot of party leaders are concerned about this. But the Democratic rank and file doesn't seem to be," Garin said, citing polls showing people want the nomination race to continue.

Exit polls of voters in this year's Democratic primaries tell a similar tale of hard feelings:

_In Pennsylvania's primary last week, which Clinton won, 68 percent of Obama voters said they would back Clinton against McCain. Just 54 percent of her supporters said they would vote for Obama against the Republican _ including less than half her white voters who have not finished college.

_In the 16 states that held primaries on Super Tuesday Feb. 5, a combined 47 percent of Clinton voters said they would be satisfied only if she won the nomination. That figure has grown to 53 percent in the nine states with primaries since then _ including 58 percent who said so in Pennsylvania.

_In Pennsylvania, while Clinton voters overall would vote heavily for Obama over McCain, her supporters who expressed displeasure should Obama win the nomination were evenly split in a contest between Obama and the Arizona Republican senator.

_Obama voters have also grown more surly, though more modestly. On Super Tuesday, 44 percent of his supporters said they would only settle for him as nominee _ a number that has risen to 49 percent in states voting since that day.

"The whole Democratic primary has gotten almost dirty. Everybody takes a shot at everybody else, and everybody's shots are not necessarily the whole truth," said David Bogart, 25, a caretaker from Clermont, Fla.

Exit polls also show key voting blocs' negative feelings about their candidate's rival have grown, though it is less intense on Obama's side.

On Super Tuesday, about half of Clinton's white supporters with less than college degrees said they would be satisfied only if she won the nomination. In voting since then, six in 10 have said so _ including 68 percent in Pennsylvania last week.

On the other hand, 46 percent of Obama's black supporters on Super Tuesday said he was the only candidate they wanted to win. That number has edged up to 49 percent since that Feb. 5 voting _ including 55 percent in Pennsylvania.

The findings from the AP-Yahoo News poll are from interviews with 863 Democrats on a panel of adults questioned in November, December, January and April. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.3 percentage points.

The poll was conducted over the Internet by Knowledge Networks, which initially contacted people using traditional telephone polling methods and followed with online interviews. People chosen for the study who had no Internet access were given it free.

The exit poll is based on in-person interviews with more than 36,000 voters in 28 states that have held primaries this year in which both candidates actively competed. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 1 percentage point, larger for some subgroups.

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AP Director of Surveys Trevor Tompson and AP News Survey Specialist Dennis Junius contributed to this report.

 
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I will never understand how millions of people can sleep at night knowing they support a lying snake like Hillary Clinton. I will vote this fall by voting for Senator Obama, whether his name is printed on the ballot or not.
I have tried to rationalize voting for Senator Clinton, telling myself that any democrat is better than a Republican. I hear the arguments about why we should vote for the winning candidate. But, I still cannot stomach voting for her. I do not believe she is president material. I expect the candidate that I vote for to act in a decent manner. If I saw Clinton on the street, I'd probably cross it, not wanting to even look her in the face. That is how deep my contempt for her campaign goes.
The Democratic Party is obsolete. I prided myself on being a progressive democrat, but really, what the hell does that mean anyway? That I am not a white, working class democrat? Before this election, I naively believed that all Democrats across this nation felt the same on most issues. That we were all equally disturbed and disgusted by the Bush Administration. That we all wanted to bring not only a democrat to office, but also a real change to our country. Not, THIS democratic party. No, we like to get hung up on the most ignorant issues. Way to go Dems, that's how we show Repugs and the world what regime change is all about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 04/29/2008

The fact that Republican's call Hillary Clinton "their biggest fundraiser" should put paid to all the declarations that she is more electable than Obama.

Oh, wait a minute, I forgot that I live in a country where who does or doesn't wear a flag pin on their lapel is a substantive issue, and where "do you believe in the flag" is considered a weighty question to ask Presidential candidates at a debate moderated by a major network.

I echo the sentiments of another poster here, I was looking forward to finally voting for a candidate that I thought was the best person for the job, instead of voting for the person who I thought would be the least horrible at it. I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary if she is the nominee, but the margin by which I think she would be less horrible than McCain is a very slim one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 04/29/2008

I have been very unhappy with Clinton because of her classless attacks and self-serving approach to this campaign.

That said, I still would vote for her if she were the party's nominee. Here's why:

1) if McCain gets in, Bush policies will remain in place. Tax cuts for the rich will be permanent, executive power will be uncurbed, issues of civil liberty will be decided at our expense. We will tie the hands of our Democratic legislators for another 4 years.

2) The criminals in this administration will never have to answer for their crimes, as McCain will make sure that the Henry Waxman's of this world will be thwarted in their attempt to uncover the truth.

3) The next President will have at least one Supreme Court seat to fill, that of Justice John Paul Stevens. McCain has already promised to fill his seat with a jurist in the mold of Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts. This will give SCOTUS FIVE far-right idealogues on the court. For the first time in the last 100 years or longer, the majority of the court will march in lockstep. Do you really understand what this means for the common American? The rollback of Roe v. Wade would be just the opening Aria of an operatic ode to Big Business, the richest 1% of Americans, and executive privilege.

So before you decide to not vote this election if your candidate doesn't win the nomination, just remember exactly what is at stake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 04/29/2008
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Clinton is a "roll of the dice" to coin a phrase. I know what's at stake, and that's the problem. I have no idea what Hillary Clinton believes. Her rhetoric sounds more like a right wing idealogue, than a progressive democrat. Her war vote, and continued silence on Iraq, even far into her campaign is disturbing. The Bosnia lie was mindbloggling. Her embrace of Mellon Scaife was proof of a lack of any integrity...etc, etc, on and on..... I wouldn't be so sure about Hillary Clinton's Supreme Court nominee if I were you. She's proven she can't be trusted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 04/29/2008

No way she nominates someone in the mold of Scalia. No way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 04/29/2008

I gotta say I just can't bring myself to vote for Clinton. It seems to me that's a little like an abused wife who still goes back to her husband. She and her goon squad have directly insulted voters like me on so many occasions that there's no way she deserves my vote. Plus I just don't think she'll do anything to help the average American. She never has. Not while First Lady and definitely not while in the Senate. I have not been able to find ANY accomplishments of hers that are worthwhile. And, I know it is wrong to think this way, but part of me wants McCain to win if she's the nominee to punish all the Democrats that supported this wolf in sheeps clothing. I figure if I survived 8 years of Bush I can do another 4 of McCain. After all, I'm a guy so I could care less about the overturning of Roe v. Wade at this point. And I'll get some satisfaction out of seeing the lives of the racist white working-class that supported her continue to get worse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 04/29/2008
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I'm also in NY, and will be sitting it out if Clinton is the nominee. This has apalled my daughter who is also an Obama supporter, but who thinks it is only pragmatic to vote democratic. I, for one just can't do it anymore. We've learned a lot about Sen. Clinton through her national campaign. Politics is politics, but never before have I felt so disillusioned , and demoralized by a candidate that I used to believe in. I won't hold my nose. Instead, I will change my affiliation to Independant. After witnessing the tactics that she and her husband have used, as the two most prominent democratics in my party, I have to consisder myself no longer a democrat. Besides, she and John McCain are joined at the hip with the illegal and immoral war they voted to give Bush. There is no daylight between them. I will have no regrets sitting it out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 04/29/2008
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I grew up in a middle class democratic household and have voted democratic in every election since I've been old enough to vote. If Clinton is the nominee I too will be sitting out of the presidential election. I won't go so far as to vote for McCain but I cannot in good conscience vote for her. We HAVE got to get away from the politic's of old. I keep thinking of what George Carlin said on Olbermann last year." America is finished and it has been for a long time." This just might prove it to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 04/29/2008

I'm so glad to see other people who are tired of holding their nose and voting for someone they can't stand. I'm right there with you. This country has suffered a severe lack of leadership for a very long time. And the one time Senator Clinton could have stood up and showed real character, she joined the sheep in voting for this ridiculous war. And I'm sorry, but for ANY politician to vote for a war without ever reading the intelligence reports on that war should never, EVER be allowed near the levers of power again. Not to mention that, just like her husband before her, she refused to take any responsibility for her gross error in judgement. It's one thing to make a terrible mistake, but it's another to lack the ability to admit when you were wrong. Say what you will about Obama's experience and whether he has enough to run this country, but I'd rather take my chances on the possibility of a once in a lifetime presidency over someone who failed miserable when the phone actually did ring at 3 a.m.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 04/29/2008

I'm totally disgusted with the way Hillary has run her campaign,her lies and her attacks on a fellow candidate. I will under no circumstance vote for Hillary. a vote for Hillary is a vote for McCain,I see no difference or any changes that they will make in the whitehouse. I will vote for Nader before I vote for Hillary or McCain!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 04/29/2008
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So do you think Obama has a chance now with the "Reagan Democrats?"...I think not & that is why Hillary has a better chance of beating McCain (she is up against both in the recent nat'l poll

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 04/29/2008

I disagree, but even if you're right about Reagan democrats, HRC has no chance with the majority of African-American and "latte-sipping" crowd she has alienated during this campaign. So if they're both "unelectable," I'll take my chances with Obama because at least I like him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 04/29/2008

Not to mention there's no way in hell she could win disaffected Republicans, or Independents--which a lot of people seem to forget is actually the largest group of voters. I say to hell with the Reagan Democrats. They're really only bigots and racists anyway. That's why they can't ever bring themselves to vote for the "black guy."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 04/29/2008

I totally agree, but, unlike some (maybe) I am glad I finally see Hillary as the expletive deleted she is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 04/29/2008
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I have learned more with this election than have from any others in all my adult life. I've learned that no matter how hard a black person may work to succeed and excel, it still doesn't mean a thing when compared to the opinion of an uneducated and unmotivated to become an educated successful white person when it comes to election time. I find the irony amazing that "the loudest persons voicing the opinion that says all should be judged on merit and that alone are usually those who get to make the choice for the rest of us simply because of the entitlement they were hadn't by virtue of being born white. Clinton gets to play the race card, and gets her past (and husbands) swept away like it's nothingmore than "the past." McCain gets to keep on keeping on with his Catholic hating associations etc as long as they continue to remind those entitled that they, and only they have the final say because this is their country as it was their fathers and so on, and no matter how much someone else works hard to become someone in this country, they still don't rank at the end of the day like you do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 04/29/2008

I have learned no matter how hard a white woman has worked . blacks will vote only for thier color

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 04/29/2008

This is pure racist nonsense. Like saying women will only vote for women. Blacks have been the backbone of this party forever, and now they are finally, finally, getting the chance to support one of their own (ok, he's only half black).

Of course blacks are proud of Obama, just as women are proud of HIllary. But she's a lying witch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 04/29/2008

Really? So all of the White women democrats who have been elected to public office were elected without any Blacks supporting them? Nevermind the fact that Blacks, as a group, have been more loyal to Democrats (for reasons I don't completely understand) than any other group. I am sure there are Blacks who are voting for Obama simply because he's Black, even though there are much better reasons to support him. However, there are at least as many people supporting HRC because she's a woman, and/or because she's white. Methinks your ignorance is showing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 04/29/2008

Bullshit. You act like Clinton is just any typical "white woman." I'd pull the lever in a heartbeat for a female candidate--just not one with the last name Clinton. This argument is a load of crap and I'm tired of the angry 60's-style feminists who are making it. The reason black people--and highly educated white people as well--won't vote for Clinton is because she's pulled down her pants and taken a big steaming shit on the whole lot of us. And that senile old fool she calls a husband comes in right after to wave his crooked finger at all of us and tell us how we deserved it. I'll just be gad when this generation goes away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 04/29/2008

Supers read up!!!!!

Finally this is coming out.....Hillary will have to testify in November - Supers READ UP
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/breaking-news-hillary-clinton.php

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 04/29/2008

Yes indeed. Hillary, rather than the Whitehouse, belongs in jail. Endless lying. Stealing. Voting for more and more war. Changing her accent daily. Pandering. More lying.

How does she get any votes? Doesn't anyone care? She is another Bush! We don't need another liar in the Whitehouse!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 04/29/2008
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And here's the article that DEBUNKS all of that nonsense

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/crooked_claims_about_clinton.html

Check your facts ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 04/29/2008

Anyone who has watched Hillary destroy her legacy understands that the gist of this video is true. She is a thief. She is a liar. She cheats. And she's married to a rapist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 04/29/2008

MY FAMILY HAS DECIDED TO STAY HOME IN NOVEMBER IF CLINTON IS THE NOMINEE WE HAVE CHANGED OUR STATUS FROM DEMCRATIC TO INDEPENDENT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 04/29/2008

as have I. I have never stayed home and it will kill me. Maybe I'll vote for Nader.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 04/29/2008
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No one in my family will vote for Clinton. We have all changed our registration from Democrat to Indpendent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 04/29/2008
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As wil I...I will never vote for a Hlillary Clinton!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 04/29/2008
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I nor anyone in my familywill vote for Clinton, and at one time I was a Clinton supporter.

If breaking the rules, acting like a Republican, dogging the DNC and fellow democratic people give you the win, we all need to be in Denver protesting the DNC. There is no such thing as playing by the rules in the United States anymore, either we accept this or say NOT THIS TIME!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 04/29/2008

I will never understand the venom that is directed towards Obama by Clinton supporters.
You would think he is the one continuously lying and misrepresenting facts. You would think that he was the one to suggest that a fellow democrat was not fit for the job while in the same breath suggesting the republican was. The way they despise him you would think he is the one trying to change the rules mid-game in order to win. You would think it is he and his surrogates that are subtly suggesting that a woman isn't fit for the job. With all this outrage towards him I would think he's the one pitting groups against each other. It is their candidate that is guilty of all of this and them some yet they direct their anger towards Obama. Why? I don"t think I will ever understand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 04/29/2008
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Well what did you expect?

he is a half black man who I think is first generation american, has a muslim name, is beating the white woman, and he isn't being a complete ass............................yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 04/29/2008

It's because Clinton supporters are a lot like Bushies. They don't want to think, they just want to be told what to do. And for some of them, they just want to "win the game." All of that venom is directed at Obama because they feel Clinton is entitled, and how dare someone get in the way of their Queen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 04/29/2008

that is a real problem for me, as one who's son gave his life in Iraq that this is a game. More young men and women will continue to die while this "game" continues. A woman that would threaten to obliterate Iran and had voted to put my son, and many other people's children in harms way, in my opinion, is not worthy of my vote. She has betrayed my family and the families of every dead soldier. Their blood is on her hands.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 04/29/2008

There is no way of knowing how many Dems will actually sit this one out in protest

The "wishful thinking" style of management of the VIPs and Party Leaders does not seem effective.

It's time to deal with this mess ... yesterday

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 04/29/2008

I chose to be a Democrat for a reason.

Why would I vote for somebody acting like a Republican?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 04/29/2008
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Say what you like, but I cannot imagine a scenario under which I would vote for Hillary Clinton.

I understand the bigger picture, believe me, and I have never skipped any election, local or national.

I simply cannot enable someone who engages in the type of dirty politics played by the Clinton team. They don't represent me or my values. Obama isn't perfect, but he has been consistent in his message and has run a very decent campaign thusfar, even in the face of huge adversity.

A vote for Hillary is just that - a vote for Her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 04/29/2008
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A KY super for Obama




Rep. Ben Chandler will endorse him today, the local press reports.

In the symbolic argument over electability, Chandler's a good endorsement, representing a district in the middle of a state whose Democrats are predominantly white and working-class.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 04/29/2008

You'll never hear this good news on the MSM.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 04/29/2008

Obama now has 3 KY representatives on his side. I've been bombarding Steve Beshear (our Governor) with letters and such to support Obama. The only sad thing is because of the makeup of KY I believe he will probably go with HRC. Just a few weeks ago one Rep. called him "boy" and "snake oil" and "no way should that boy have his finger on the button" and the rest of the group just laughed. He finally had to make an apology after a news journalist brought it out, but as I watched him, it was so disingenuous it was discusting that this is how one human treats another. That is the mentality in some portions of KY, sad to say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 04/29/2008
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