Money Ties But Some Holes In Possible Clinton-Robocall Connection

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First Posted: 04-30-08 09:36 PM   |   Updated: 05- 8-08 05:12 AM

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On Wednesday, word broke that the D.C. nonprofit group, Women's Voices Women Vote had initiated automated 'robocalls' in North Carolina that spread misleading information about voter registration and registration deadlines.

Within hours, the group had apologized for the calls, which, "caused widespread confusion and [drew] hundreds of complaints, including many from African-American voters who received the calls," according to Facing South, the site the broke the story.

But because Women's Voices had been involved in similar complaints in other states (Virginia, Arizona, Colorado, Wisconsin, and others), and because the target of the robocalls in North Carolina were constituencies likely to vote for Sen. Barack Obama, conspiracy theories spread quickly that Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign was behind the deed.

Clinton staff denied any connection to the calls, which targeted African American voters using an African American mans voice. And Sarah Johnson, a spokeswoman for Women's Voices, said there was absolutely no coordination or collusion with the senator's office: "We do not endorse any political candidates or parties."

Evidence suggesting a connection between the organization and the candidate is tangential, and comes with some key caveats. But it is enough to raise eyebrows.

Maggie Williams, Clinton's campaign manager, served on the Women's Voices leadership team up until last year. Moreover, her firm, Griffin Williams Critical Point Management, earned more than $88,000 from Women's Voices in 2006 for activities deemed "strategic planning," according to the group's IRS filing.

Pat Griffin, who has ties to the Clintons and is a partner of Williams, similarly served on the leadership team of the organization before leaving last year.

Also, a Women's Voices board member, Hal Malchow, has done direct mail and/or telephone surveys both for the organization and for Clinton's campaign. According to the group's IRS form, Malchow's company MSHC was paid more than $2.7 million in 2006; MSHC conducts "telephone surveying" for Women's Voices, according to its website.

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In addition, according to campaign finance filings, MSHC is owed more than $800,000 by the Clinton campaign, likely for direct mail.

Asked whether MSHC was involved in the Women's Voices robocall, an official with the firm said she was unable to comment. Officials with Women's Voices, on Thursday, said the firm had not
been involved in the robocolls.

But for all these connections -- and other Women's Voices officials have connections to the Clintons, including board member John Podesta, who was Bill Clinton's Chief of Staff -- there are notable holes to the collusion theory.

As Ben Smith noted, also serving on the board is William McNary, "the president of the progressive coalition USAction and a leader of Illinois Citizen Action who has been, reportedly, a vigorous Obama supporter since his 2004 Senate race." Mike Lux, a frequent critic of Clinton, also serves on the board.

And while the North Carolina attorney general on late Wednesday evening said the robocalls "violated the law" by failing to disclose who sponsored the activity and failing to offer the organization's contact information, the broader goal of the Women's Voices has been, it seems, legitimate voter registration efforts.

Indeed, according to Johnson, the group has operated in 24 states and has sent out more than 3 million pieces of voter registration information. In North Carolina, 80 percent of those forms have been recalled.

"We are completely apologetic about this," she said. "Our goal remains to bring more unmarried women into our democracy, because they register and vote considerably less than married women."

The Obama campaign, in a conference call on Wednesday, seemed to take the organization's apology at its word. "[They] have apologized and indicated that it was inadvertent," said Bob Bauer, the campaign's counsel.

UPDATE: Here's a statement sent over from John Podesta, Board Member of Women's Voices, Women Vote:

Women's Voices. Women Vote has a strong record of registering disenfranchised people so that they can participate in the political process. As a board member, I was aware of the general parameters of the group's voter registration program, but not the details of its execution. With respect to the calls and mailings made in North Carolina, I understand that remedial action is being undertaken. I agree with fellow board member William McNary that the North Carolina state calling program was a mistake of judgment and execution, and not an attempt to disenfranchise voters, and have been assured by Page Gardner, President of WVWV, that the organization will conduct a full and prompt accounting of the circumstances of the voter registration program for its board of directors.
On Wednesday, word broke that the D.C. nonprofit group, Women's Voices Women Vote had initiated automated 'robocalls' in North Carolina that spread misleading information about voter registration and ...
On Wednesday, word broke that the D.C. nonprofit group, Women's Voices Women Vote had initiated automated 'robocalls' in North Carolina that spread misleading information about voter registration and ...
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- wagadog I'm a Fan of wagadog 44 fans permalink

If get get a robocall from Clinton, just report it

http://800notes.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 05/02/2008
- PaulLoeb I'm a Fan of PaulLoeb 11 fans permalink

What troubles me is the number of times they've done the same thing in other states, gotten flack for it, and then continued anyway. Plus the African American male voice seems very odd for a group registering unmarried women.

At the same time, this group has done legit work before, but that was prior to the Clinton-Obama primary, where the Clinton allies do really seem to be following Rovian tactics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 05/02/2008
- civitat I'm a Fan of civitat 3 fans permalink

This doesn't come near to answering all of the questions. If it's a reputable group, run by such experienced political strategists, why was it placing robo-calls that clearly violate state law? Anyone should know that it's illegal (not to mention morally questionable) to make robo-calls that don't identify the calling organization and use technology to block the caller ID.

And if this was just an innocent mistake, why did it happen in several other states--also just before those states' primaries? Maybe an innocent mistake once, but several times???

Most of all, I don't understand why the mainstream media aren't covering this story. And are the attorney generals of the various states investigating this group? Even if there's no direct Clinton tie, this group is breaking the law in a particularly reprehensible way. We send black men to prison for breaking the law. Why don't we enforce the law against groups like this? Why don't the media even discuss the issue?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 05/01/2008
- WIDESTANCE I'm a Fan of WIDESTANCE 3 fans permalink

from: FACING SOUTH - A New Voice for a Changing South

http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/labels/women's%20voices%20women%20vote.asp
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* In North Carolina, Women's Voices has been conducting a robo-call and mailing campaign that the state Attorney General has confirmed is illegal, that has been secretive and deceptive, and will likely have the effect of confusing and discouraging North Carolina voters.

* Our report documents that, in at least 10 other states -- Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Ohio, Virginia and Wisconsin -- Women's Voices has drawn condemnation from election officials and voters. The group has been accused of misrepresenting election law, using secretive and dishonest tactics and generating widespread confusion among voters -- again, threatening to dampen voter participation.

* The role Women's Voices has played in the Virginia and North Carolina primaries has been especially disruptive. In both cases, they launched deceptive robo-calls -- some apparently targeting African-American zip codes -- just before major primaries, leading residents to think they weren't registered to vote.

* Women's Voices has a number of ties to Sen. Hillary Clinton; we provide additional examples here ..... we do believe such close ties deserve scrutiny.

Ms. Gardner's statement addresses none of these documented issues. Confronted with evidence of repeated deceptive and even illegal actions, Gardner says only, "We apologize for any confusion our calls may have caused."

Unfortunately, this is typical: ...every time problems have emerged, Women's Voices responds by "apologizing for confusion.­" A Google search of "Women's Voices Women Vote" and "confusion" brings up 412 hits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 05/01/2008

When you google Lamont Williams, you get a 'violent mugshot' picture of a black man. It would be interesting to understand how they settled upon this name to appeal to 'unmarried single women'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 05/01/2008
- WIDESTANCE I'm a Fan of WIDESTANCE 3 fans permalink

"We apologize for any confusion our calls may have caused."
-- page gardner, veteran political strategist and founder of WVWV
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ms. gardner

has your "non-partisan" organisation apologised to voters in

ARIZONA
COLORADO
WISCONSIN
MICHIGAN
FLORIDA
ARKANSAS
LOUISIANA
KENTUCKY
and OHIO

where you have employed the exact same highly questionable and barely legal (if not actually illegal) tactics to confuse and disenfranchise voters ???

ALONG WITH YOUR TEAM OF SOPHISTICATED AND HIGHLY SKILLED POLITICAL OPERATIVES, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING, WHY YOU ARE DOING IT AND WHAT THE INTENDED CONSEQUENSES ARE

YOUR "APOLOGY" IS LAUGHABLE AND MEANINGLESS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 05/01/2008

This is the impression of a local Democratic Leader that received the robocall:

http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/2008/05/local-democratic-leader-who-received.asp

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 05/01/2008

Thanks for the restraint and integrity you showed by noting the "holes."

Let's work to see, though, if some boardmembers were more equal than others. Any cases in the IRS filings where WVWV steered its money to the private business of a Clinton critic?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 05/01/2008
- Siren I'm a Fan of Siren 3 fans permalink

* In Arizona last November, election officials were "inundated with complaints" after Women's Voices sent a mailing erroneously claiming that recipients were "required" to mail back an enclosed voter registration form. Secretary of State Jan Brewer denounced the group's tactics as "misleading and deceptive.­" A similar mailing in Colorado that month "[drew] fire and caused confusion," according to a state press release.

* In Wisconsin, state officials singled out Women's Voices for misleading and possibly disenfranchising voters, stating in a press release [PDF]: "One group in particular -- Women's Voices. Women Vote, of Washington, D.C. -- apparently ignored or disregarded state deadlines

* Michigan officials ended up "fielding tons of calls from confused voters" after Women's Voices did a February mailing to "380,000 unmarried women" -- including numerous deceased voters confusion," the Lansing State Journal reported.

* A 1.5 million-piece Women's Voices mailing in Florida falsely stated: "To comply with state voting requirements, please return the enclosed applicatio­n." Pasco County's elections supervisor called it "disingenuous";
* By March, Women's Voices was backing off the erroneous "registration is required" language..­. in Arkansas allowed that "registering to vote is voluntary," but a clerk in Washington County reported that "the majority [of forms] sent back to the county come from registered voters, causing needless labor for office employees.­"

Problems with the group's tactics have also been documented in Louisiana, Kentucky and Ohio.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 05/01/2008

Virginia went through the same thing. The thousands of calls precipitated action by the VA state police to find the source of the 'misleading' calls. They thought at first that it was attempted identity theft/fraud. The same spokesperson, in early February, told authorities that it was a 'technical glitch' that the ID was blocked on the phone calls, and that they were taking steps to remedy the situation.
story here: http://hamptonroads.com/node/453328

I guess their remedial skills are lacking. Again. And again. And again. And again. And again to the tune of eleven or twelve states. Sorry, I'm not buying what you are selling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 05/01/2008

The post states that "MSHC was paid more than $2,700 in 2006"

Please review the 2006 IRS 990 for Women's Voice Women Vote

MSHC received $2,784,048 from Women's Voice Women Vote in 2006 which is a lot more than $2,700

The type face is smaller than the rest. You have to zoom in to see.
http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990_pdf_archive/550/550889748/550889748_200612_990.pdf

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 05/01/2008
- U4IA I'm a Fan of U4IA permalink

Yikes, you're right. They are a little off on that number.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 05/01/2008

How much is Hillary paying Rove?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 05/01/2008
- likeicare I'm a Fan of likeicare 8 fans permalink

More Clinton psychodrama! Will it never end?

Bill was complaining about voter intimidation (a very serious charge) in NV, but never pursued it once they won.

Then, he repeated that charge in TX, when it looked like the Rush Limbaugh crossover votes might not be enuf to overtake Obama. Again, the campaign never pursued it.

The Clintons have been push-polling in every primary that's been held, yet they scream bloody murder about non-existent voter irregularities to cover up for their own chicken-shit deeds!

How could ANY Democrat ever vote for these two Republican­s-in-drag? I don't get it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 05/01/2008

Those tactics are Rove 101.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 05/01/2008
- Oldtt I'm a Fan of Oldtt 35 fans permalink
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Apparently Women's Voices, Women Vote was running a voter registration campaign in NC aimed at single women who traditionally undervote, which consisted of sending out 275,000 voter registration packets to targeted women and following up with an automated call notifying them that packets were in the mail and urging them to register. Where they went wrong was not identifying themselves or giving a contact method in the "robocalls" which violates state law; also, the mailings were too late since the NC mail-in registration deadline had passed. This was not a nefarious attempt to trick people, since the intent was to help them become registered not to discourage it. Since the registration deadline had already passed, any of these women who had not yet registered simply remained unregistered by their own inaction. It was just a wasted effort. There was no political content in the call suggesting who people should vote for. I realize that Hillary Clinton is the root of all evil, but blaming her for this is a reach.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/04/30/nc_group_sorry_for_misleading_calls_on_voting_in_primary/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 05/01/2008
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 05/01/2008
- Eddy333 I'm a Fan of Eddy333 7 fans permalink
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So, informing people with an automated non-returnable call that if they don't fill out the (hopelessly late) paperwork and return it they will not be able to vote is just a simple "mistake."

Sorry, but I don't but THAT level of incompetence. They've done the same crap in numerous other states. This organization's track record looks really bad, I can't understand why they are still in operation if they are this incompetent.

From the original Facing South article:

But since last November, in at least 11 states nationwide, Women's Voices -- sometimes working through its Voter Participation Center project -- has developed a checkered reputation, drawing rebukes from leading election officials and complaints from thousands of would-be voters as a result of their secretive tactics, deceptive mailings and calls, and penchant for skirting or violating the law.

Specifics examples here: http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/2008/04/facing-south-exclusive-dc-nonprofit.asp

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 05/01/2008
- StephenS I'm a Fan of StephenS 4 fans permalink

The 20-second robo-call did not say that unless you fill out the paperwork, you will not be able to vote. It said:

"Hello. This is Lamont Williams. In the next few days, you will receive a voter registration packet in the mail. All you need to do is fill it out, sign it, date and return your application. Then you will be able to vote and make your voice heard. Please return the registration form when it arrives. Thank you."

And the NC paperwork is not late for the general election, or if you are an independent, a Repub, a third party person, or a Democrat who doesn't intend to vote in the primary.

One Virginia WVWV mailing in Feb, like this one in NC, also went out too close to the Democratic and Repub primaries. I would expected after that WVWV would check the primary/caucus schedule!

In other states where already-registered people misunderstood the robo-call or the mailing, hundreds or thousands of people in doubt filled out the forms anyway. Which was a waste of time both for them and for election officials, and generated many complaints about the wording of the mailings. (WVWV lately changed their mailing wording, but some people are still confused by it.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 05/01/2008

Please check out "The Truth vs Barack Obama"

http://savagepolitics.com/?p=317

I saw this today, and HAD to share it with everyone. It is just a brilliantly researched and written list of inconsistencies with several of Obama's stories. I think it should be done for ALL three candidates, but I guess this is a good way to start at finally looking at the candidates with some honesty.

http://savagepolitics.com/?p=317

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 05/01/2008
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Uuuum no thanks... But I like how you threw in that almost-seemingly impartial "it should be done on ALL three candidates" but BO will do for now, humdeedumd­eedum.. BOOOOOOOOO! Yes, I booed you...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 05/01/2008
- Eddy333 I'm a Fan of Eddy333 7 fans permalink
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Yeah, because the internet is a great place to get "THE TRUTH"

You're the same sheep just with internet access.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 05/01/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 216 fans permalink

Not only the internet, but right-wing sites on the internet as well..

My odds are better with Wikipedia over Savage...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 05/01/2008

Plausible deniability is always the strategy of organizations playing games like this. Of course they are going to cover their tracks. This begs immediate investigation. Whether the Clintons are behind it, or not, they MOST CERTAINLY are capable of it. They have shown utter contempt for Democracy. I expect lies and disrespect for Democracy from Republicans, but not Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 05/01/2008
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