Officials probing possible abuse of boys in polygamous sect

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MICHELLE ROBERTS and APRIL CASTRO | May 1, 2008 07:55 AM EST | AP

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An infant, left in car seat, and female members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, depart by chartered bus from the San Angelo Coliseum where they had been temporarily housed in San Angelo, Texas Thursday, April 24, 2008. (AP Photo/Tony Gutierrez)

SAN ANTONIO — Authorities investigating whether teen girls in a polygamist sect were forced into underage marriages and sex said they are also looking into possible abuse of young boys _ allegations that drew a sharp rebuke by sect's members.

Carey Cockerell, the head of the state's Department of Family and Protective Services, told state lawmakers Wednesday that his agency was looking into whether young boys were abused based on "discussions with the boys" and journal entries.

In a written report, the agency said interviews and journal entries suggested young boys may have been sexually abused, but didn't elaborate.

Cockerell also said 41 of the 463 children seized from the Yearning For Zion Ranch in Eldorado had evidence of broken bones. Some of those children are "very young," he said.

After Cockerell's presentation to the Senate Health and Human Services Committee, he sent an aide from the lieutenant governor's office to tell reporters he would not make further comments.

Members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the renegade Mormon sect that runs the ranch, countered that the state was deliberately misleading the public to cover up its own errors in the case.

A physician at the ranch, who is also a sect member, said most of the broken bones were from minor falls and that there was no pattern of abuse there.

The state took custody of all 463 children living at the ranch after an April 3 raid that was prompted by calls to a domestic abuse hot line. One of those minors gave birth Tuesday to a boy who will remain with his mother in a group foster-care facility.

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The sweeping action in the custody case has raised concerns among civil liberties groups. Individual custody hearings are scheduled to be completed by June 5, but in the meantime, all the children are in foster facilities scattered around the state.

Before Wednesday's disclosure, the state had argued it should be allowed to keep the boys, not because they were abuse victims, but because they were being groomed to become adult perpetrators in the sect. Men in the sect take multiple wives, some of whom are allegedly minors.

After Cockerell's comments on broken bones, a briefing issued said, "We do not have X-rays or complete medical information on many children so it is too early to draw any conclusions based on this information, but it is cause for concern and something we'll continue to examine."

Sect spokesman Rod Parker called Cockerell's testimony "a deliberate effort to mislead the public" and said state officials were "trying to politically inoculate themselves from the consequences of this horrible tragedy."

"This is just an attempt to malign these people," he said.

Lloyd Barlow, the ranch's onsite physician, said he was caring for a number of FLDS children with broken or fractured bones at the time they were removed from the ranch.

"Probably over 90 percent of the injuries are forearm fractures from ground-level or low level falls," Barlow said. "I can also tell you that we don't live in a community where there is a pattern of abuse."

The state has said that nearly 60 percent of the 14- to 17-year-old girls in custody are pregnant or already have children. Many refused to take pregnancy tests, the agency said Wednesday.

Under Texas law, children under the age of 17 generally cannot consent to sex with an adult. A girl can get married with parental permission at 16, but the sect's girls are not believed to have legal marriages.

Church officials have denied any children were abused at the ranch and say the state's actions are a form of religious persecution. They also dispute the count of teen mothers, saying at least some are likely adults.

Cockerell told lawmakers the investigation has been difficult because members of the church have refused to cooperate. Parents coached children not to answer questions and children _ even breast-feeding infants _ were switched around to different mothers in what Cockerell called a coordinated effort to deceive.

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Roberts reported from San Antonio and Castro reported from Austin. Associated Press Writer Jennifer Dobner contributed to this report from Salt Lake City.

SAN ANTONIO — Authorities investigating whether teen girls in a polygamist sect were forced into underage marriages and sex said they are also looking into possible abuse of young boys _ allegat...
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- Trueheart I'm a Fan of Trueheart 45 fans permalink
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May 5th: Documents taken from the safe in the temple have been released to the press.

This is what they reveal about the population of YFZ Ranch: "Father's Family Information" shows a handful of 16-year-old wives, 13 young monogamous couples and 24 men with multiple wives - including one man with 21 wives and 36 children.

You can look it up yourself if you don't believe me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 05/06/2008

Apparently you forgot that CPS rejects all FLDS documents as forgeries.

So if CPS is correct, that would mean they were created ahead of time, taken into the temple considered sacred by the FLDS, and put into a locked safe, JUST IN CASE the state decided to invade the compound.

How -devious- these people are...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 05/07/2008

-continued from below-

And now, after all of that, they still can't decide if the original call was phony or not! They won't say that it was a hoax! They still act like there's a possibility that 'Sarah' really exists! All the news stories still have to suspend disbelief and report that there's still uncertainty.

So on the one side you have the state of Texas going to extreme lengths to ignore the overwhelming evidence to avoid the only logical conclusion. Meanwhile, they orchestrate a case against the FLDS parents based on complete speculation, innuendo, and prejudice. They ignore and dismiss statements under oath as lies. They ignore and dismiss documents as forgeries. They ignore and dismiss expert testimony as biased.

I think the juxtaposition of these two issues shows clearly that the fix is in. CPS made up their mind what the story will be, and they're manipulating the facts to fit into their view of reality, rather than trying to get the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 05/03/2008
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Here's a Story the HuffPo will probably ignore:

Warrant dropped against man named in polygamist retreat raid

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080503/D90E1EFO1.html

After all the accusations made about what was going on in the compound, and all the religious slurs, it would be quite embarrassing for anyone here, to admit they took part in an Internet Lynching.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 05/03/2008
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Timmy,

the investigation is still in process.

And so am I to conclude that you approve of young girls being coerced into polygamous marriages to significantly older men, girls as young apparently as 16?

Timmy, where did you study Psychology? Cult dynamics? Theology? Childhood Development?

No?

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 05/04/2008

So now today the warrant out for the arrest of Dale E. Barlow has been dropped. This is the guy that was accused of beating and raping a 16 year old, which prompted the raid in the first place. They have not made any statements as to WHY they dropped the warrant, as they are still investigating and wouldn't want to be hasty.

Let's juxtapose the handling of these two issues for a second. The crisis center receives a phone call at the end of March from "Sarah", saying she is being held captive in Eldorado Texas at the YFZ compound. The phone number that made the call is not even in the state of Texas, it came from Colorado. A woman named Rozita Swinton has made similar calls to Flora Jessop, an anti-FLDS activist, also claiming to be named 'Sarah', and being held captive in Texas. The next day Swinton calls Jessop again, this time posing as 'Sarah's younger sister and being help captive in the Colorado City compound. Jessop notified the Texas Rangers about the crank calls. The Texas Rangers trace all the numbers for all these calls to Rozita Swinton in Colorado Springs. They serve a warrant in her home and find evidence that it was in fact Swinton making these calls. Now they've suspended the warrant against Dale Barlow, the one that 'Sarah' said was raping and beating her in Texas, and who hasn't lived in Texas in 20 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 05/03/2008
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M,

yes, the plot thickens. Let's see how it shakes out, as there's still many more people to be interviewed, many more players in this little polygamist cult drama.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 05/04/2008

Child abuse
Sexual abuse
Abuse of the welfare system
Abuse of young boys (throwing them OUT)
Incest and possible disposal of deformen children

Maybe it is a "Culture War" but does this country need to condone multiple abuses because they are masked in the name of religion? The government, both local and federal, must PROTECT against such perversions which are done in the name of religion and such abusive "religions" must be exposed and prosecuted for the vile charades they are.

The bottom line must be, "are they hurting anyone?" and the answer is now obvious that they are hurting the most vulnerable members of their sex-driven compounds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 05/02/2008
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"The bottom line must be, "are they hurting anyone?" and the answer is now obvious that they are hurting the most vulnerable members of their sex-driven compounds."

Bingo.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 05/02/2008
- goodog I'm a Fan of goodog 128 fans permalink
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In the first news video, I saw those First Baptist Church buses going in to get the kids. Right away, I knew it was the culture war more than anything.

Law enforcement using church buses to bust another church. It's just not done. Local yokels at war, for sure. Seriously, you could be less aggressive than sending one church in to detain the children of the other and still get the job done.

It's little more than two sectarian, fundamentalist groups in rural Texas settling long held grievance.

To the extent that the initial fishing expedition struck creepy cult pay-dirt, the resulting witch hunt may be validated in the end, however unconstitutionally it's been executed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 05/01/2008
- Mort I'm a Fan of Mort 38 fans permalink
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Even though the original call was a hoax, they didn't know it at the time and had to investigate allegations of child abuse. So the warrant was valid. And what they found actually was abuse. Doesn't matter what religion any of them are. Kids were being molested.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 05/01/2008

What with all the old guys getting all the girls -women-ladies there wasn't much left for the younger guys .....
now that's abuse if I've ever seen it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 05/01/2008

This is turning into a Ken Starr-esque never-ending investigation.

They're out of destroy these families. They're going to do whatever is necessary to find SOMETHING that can be prosecuted, no matter how minor.

They saw what happened in the Duke rape case. They're not going to allow their witch hunt to get derailed like Mike Nifong's did. Their own lives and careers are also at stake now. And if you think they're going to put the good of these families above their own livelihoods, you're crazy.

The die has been cast, and they'll go to any lengths necessary to push this to its bitter conclusion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 05/01/2008
- Gasparilla I'm a Fan of Gasparilla 29 fans permalink

How "minor"? You mean like pregnant 14 year olds?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 05/01/2008
- wolfgangmo I'm a Fan of wolfgangmo 21 fans permalink
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I believe that we still are supposed to have the rule of law in this country, you know, that thing that is supposed to set us apart and above other countries.

I have not heard of a finding of guilt in this case, and as such we should give them the presumption of innocence just like we would like if we were ever targeted by the authorities.

And the use of Baptist buses to round 'em up does kind of creep me out.

On the other hand, if found guilty I think we should throw them in a deep dark hole and fill it in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 AM on 05/02/2008
- gayleg I'm a Fan of gayleg 10 fans permalink

witch hunt?

Dear Lord on high! You can't see how impregnating little girls is a crime? This cult should have been shut down decades and decades ago. It's repulsive to think this abuse has been going on in the United States of America all this time.

Shut it down and get the women and kids the hell out of there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 05/01/2008

I don't think impregnating a 16 year old girl you're married to is a crime, and neither does the state of Texas. So even by the measuring stick of our own culture, impregnating a 16 year old is okay under some circumstances. Do you agree with Texas marriage law allowing 16 year olds to be impregnated? It sounds like you don't. That's your prerogative, I guess, but it's not fair to judge these people by your own personal standard which is harsher than that of the state they live in.

If you take into account that this culture is different from our own, I think it's reasonable to give them a little moral leeway on whether or not this behavior is "abusive".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 05/01/2008
- Gasparilla I'm a Fan of Gasparilla 29 fans permalink

These cults can play the victim all they want. But the way to stop the attention from authorities is to stop having sex with children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 05/01/2008

I would guess that these parents would submit to whatever oversight the state deems necessary to get their kids back. The state is determined to destroy this compound in one fell swoop, and won't take yes for an answer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 05/01/2008
- Gasparilla I'm a Fan of Gasparilla 29 fans permalink

Still does not address my point. Stop letting 50 year old men f 13 year olds, and a lot of this attention would go away. This is the same line that was peddled about David Koresh at Waco. Child molester.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 05/01/2008
- wolfgangmo I'm a Fan of wolfgangmo 21 fans permalink
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Actually a better way to stop the attention from authorities is to stop the end run around FISA [illegal wiretaps and surveillance of citizens without warrant or oversight] and prosecute those involved with some SERIOUS jail time.

And whatever happened with innocent until proven guilty? When did the neocons start posting here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 AM on 05/02/2008

Apparently CPS can say anything they want. This is utterly ridiculous.

You have a doctor there that was treating the children himself, and they dismiss him in favor of their own conspiracy theories. What a joke. Since when do guesses and innuendos carry more weight than first hand expert testimony from a doctor??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 05/01/2008
- rainey I'm a Fan of rainey 3 fans permalink

Yes! Why can't they just take the testimony of one of the potential perpetrators and leave it at that?!

BTW, how many wives does he have?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 05/01/2008

We can't let facts, documents, or expert testimony get in the way of our witch hunt. So we call the facts lies. We call the documents forgeries. And we call the experts 'potential perpetrators'.

How convenient...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 05/01/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

Christianity! Pffft!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 05/01/2008
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Manni,

not my Christianity.

Pfft! Indeed...

Heretical miscreants and predators, these.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 05/02/2008
- ann1 I'm a Fan of ann1 12 fans permalink

This nonsense is going on in the heart of the country and we're worried about Hannah Montana's back side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 05/01/2008

Isn't it interesting to hear so many fundamentalists suddenly cry "what about SEPARATION of Church and State' as they condemn Texas prosecutors for removing these abuse victims?

When they demand obligatory school prayer and obligatory abstinence classes etc, when they claim this is a "christian nation", they certainly denounce such a separation.

As another poster said so simply and so eloquenmtly, 'all in the name of God'. Dont these children know their bible says "spare the rod, spoil the child"? Shouldnt these girls (and boys?) learn early and often to SUBMIT, as their bible teaches? God help us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 05/01/2008
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Was your brain shrinqraped?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 05/02/2008
- ramal I'm a Fan of ramal 68 fans permalink
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All in the name of God.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 05/01/2008
- Mort I'm a Fan of Mort 38 fans permalink
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Where are all the men? We hear all about the kids and see the women pouting for the cameras, but where are the husbands and leaders? They're the ones who need to be paraded, charged and put in prison.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 05/01/2008

Here's a few of them.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/21/earlyshow/main4029811.shtml

They sure don't seem like sex-crazed maniacs to me. They seem willing to abide the law with their own children, who have never been abused.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 05/01/2008
- Mort I'm a Fan of Mort 38 fans permalink
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So they don't abuse their own children, just everyone else's?

Colorado city has been under fire for years, which is why Jeffs whisked these folks away. I can understand some of the kids not knowing the law, but the parents, and especially the leaders, have been around enough to know. Some of the mothers even acknowledged that. And ignorance is not an excuse for child abuse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 05/01/2008
- Mort I'm a Fan of Mort 38 fans permalink
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Yeah, there's the head pedophile in prison blues. That's a good start.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 05/01/2008

Any parent who aides and abbets in the rape of their underage daughters should be charged with a crime. Legally, these children must be 18 to consent to "marriage" (age 14 [Texas], age 17 [Utah], age 17 [Arizona] with parental consent). Those teens who willingly consent to their arranged "marriages" and teen pregnancies, must be allowed to return to their compounds. Those teens who were coerced by their parents to "marry" and get pregnant must have their rights protected. Also parents who abandon their underage sons by consenting to having them thrown out on the streets to fend for themselves, so the ratio of women to men remains disproportionately high, should be charged with child abandonment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 05/01/2008

CPS won't let the minors choose. When the minors tell CPS they aren't abused and that they want to go back home, CPS calls them habitual liars and brainwashed cultists.

By trying to ensure these minors' rights, the state is taking their rights away. It begs the question of whether the cure is worse than the disease!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 05/01/2008
- kawreader I'm a Fan of kawreader 2 fans permalink

I've seen all your posts about this subject and they are a bit disturbing. First, I doubt how much knowledge you have of the CPS. Where do you get your information?

Second, this quote has got me laughing: They sure don't seem like sex-crazed maniacs to me. They seem willing to abide the law with their own children, who have never been abused.

What exactly do sex-crazed maniacs seem like to you?...when they are being INTERVIEWED on television and are at risk for having their sex abuse driven lives taken away? They are probably pretty smart individuals, but that certainly doesn't mean they are a) good parents or b) not abusing children.

What exactly do you have to see to be convinced that this cult is brainwashing and abusing children?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 05/01/2008
- rainey I'm a Fan of rainey 3 fans permalink

'Course these are minors who were raised in this warped community where statutory rape was the only life they've known. So, hey!, why not accept their judgment?

Did you know that one of the reasons firefighters are injured or killed on the job is that they're looking for children who hide when a fire starts? In their primitive cognitive state, they only know they're afraid so they hide. Even as the fire rages, they hide from the firefighters who come to save them. So firefighters get trapped or get smoke inhalation injuries searching for children hiding from them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 05/01/2008
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