Black-Issues Group: Price To Pay If Clinton Wins Through Superdelegates

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First Posted: 05- 2-08 08:00 AM   |   Updated: 05-10-08 05:12 AM

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One of the nation's largest Black American grassroots advocacy organizations is drawing a line in the sand for Democratic leadership: if Hillary Clinton is awarded the nomination by overturning the pledged delegate count there will be a political price to pay.

Color of Change, which has a reach of more than 400,000 people, is organizing a petition campaign to persuade superdelegates and congressional leaders that a Clinton win through the hands of party insiders would "disenfranchise millions" and constitute "a shocking attack on voting rights and democracy."

"Following this course," the letter reads, "would give your seal of approval to an 'electability' strategy executed by stoking race-based fear and division among voters. We expect that from the Republicans; we fight them on it every year. But now the leadership of the Democratic party is poised to cosign this strategy of division and disenfranchisement. This could be the worst mistake the Party has ever made, yet it's being talked about as a legitimate way for this campaign to end.

"The voters who have come out in record numbers to participate in the Democratic Party won't allow this to happen, and as the most visible leaders of the Party, you must reject the idea that the nomination can be won with a strategy that preys on racism, sows division, and disenfranchises millions of voters."

The letter campaign -- which appears to be the first organized effort to influence superdelegates on the part of an African-American-based group -- is designed to create a sense of political consternation among those undecided insiders considering bucking the pledged delegate tally. Superdelegates are, by definition, allowed to cast their votes by any metric they deem fit, whether it be the popular vote, elected delegate totals, or the perception of electability. Several party officials, however, have warned that the pledged delegate total should be preeminent in their decision making process.

Previous Color of Change petitions have had their effects. In response to the Jena Six scandal, the group generated responses from more than 300,000 members, roughly the equivalent of all voters in the New Hampshire Democratic primary.

In this instance, they may have more political persuasion. The campaign plays off of an already existing concern within the party that a Clinton primary victory could leave the African-American community deeply distraught and less willing to offer its general election support.

On Thursday, McClatchy reported, "Many black voters are making it very clear: They're concerned that Barack Obama is going to be denied the Democratic presidential nomination that they see as rightfully his, and if that happens, a lot of them may stay home in November."

Officials with Color of Change said their concerns were spurred by comments by DNC Chairman Howard Dean that the Democratic primary was "essentially a tie," as well as the "tone" and "strategy" of the Clinton campaign.

"Ideally what needs to happen is that this concept of there being a possibility of a Clinton win without disenfranchising people needs to stop," said the organization's communications director, Mervyn Marcano. "We want to let [superdelegates] know that people are watching and that folks are pretty upset about this. There is a false perception based on how people are jiggling the numbers that Clinton can win... and among black voters this will be problematic."

Color of Change's petition drive will direct "open letters" to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, DNC Chairman Howard Dean, and superdelegates.

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Keep ignoring Hillary supporters! IF OBAMa win the nomination McCain will be our next president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 05/02/2008
- maggieb I'm a Fan of maggieb 4 fans permalink

They would only be spiting themselves!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 05/02/2008

Don't be stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 05/02/2008
- Titonwan I'm a Fan of Titonwan 7 fans permalink

Barack Obama! He will be President of the United States of America! God bless America!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 05/02/2008
- Faye12 I'm a Fan of Faye12 3 fans permalink

Well if Obama is the nominee we are not voting for him either. How do you like it???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 05/02/2008

No one cares who you vote for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 05/02/2008

Who is "we"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 05/02/2008

I will not support and vote for anyone but Obama. How do you like that???????????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 05/02/2008
- Osprey3 I'm a Fan of Osprey3 4 fans permalink

You're free to vote for or against anyone you like, but if you're voting against Barack because of race (or other devisive wedge issues), you're an idiot! It's that sort of voting mentality that's gotten us into the mess we're now in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 05/02/2008

I will never vote again if hillary is the nominee. I am slowing losing my confidence in democratic process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 05/02/2008
- LaurieLee I'm a Fan of LaurieLee 2 fans permalink

Don't drop out of the process, that is exactly what the right wing would love to have you do. If the nomination is awarded unfairly there need to be orderly protests of all sorts. Everything from street marches to those of us who have given large amounts to candidates making our anger known by stopping donations.
I did that earlier this year with Nancy Pelosi. Her office called me to ask for a donation and I told them they'd get one when impeachment was back on the table. The guy started to argue with me, but I said, 'It's my money, I don't have to give you a cent, and I won't as long as I feel she isn't representing me'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 05/02/2008
- Faye12 I'm a Fan of Faye12 3 fans permalink

If Obama is the nominee that we know that the United States is in deep trouble. Follow his
friends. He is not Presidential material.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 05/02/2008

YOU are why the United States is in deep trouble.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 05/02/2008

What "friends"? On what are you basing your "deep trouble" analysis?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 05/02/2008
- superlive I'm a Fan of superlive 5 fans permalink

You're correct. He hasnt quite yet figured out how to screw people over and not look like a weenie while doing it. I do think he'll be at Hillary's level if not Bill's by the start of his second term.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 05/03/2008
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I do not think these threats are necessary or productive. Obama is going to win the nomination. No one is going to take it away from him. The delegate+superdelegate math are nearly out of reach for Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 05/02/2008

I'm glad you can see into your crystal ball, but I think they are right to express their consternation at what is the obvious strategy of the Clinton campaign. Even if Obama is the nominee their attacks have done the damage. It's important that they are not allowed to do anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 05/02/2008

As an African American, I agree with this group. I reside in Miami-Dade County (Miami Gardens) ;approximately half of African Americans in this county did not vote due to the fact that we were informed that our votes would not count. If Hillary is crowned as the nominee, African Americans in Miami have agreed not to vote for her in the general elections. I never voted in the primary. To give her the nominee would be devasting to blacks in this county. I despise Hillary. This woman actually believe that she is entitled to the White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 05/02/2008
- SCMagnolia I'm a Fan of SCMagnolia 2 fans permalink

CLMMIT...speak for yourself! I live in Miami-Dade County as well (further south than you) and this Black woman got up off her ass to vote for LOCAL issues affecting where we live! I guess the fact Amendment 1 passed due to your absence at the polls (and that of others like you) doesn't matter! As a result, the dollars per student dropped, forcing staff lay-offs and a hold on teacher pay raises in our already over-burdened and under-funded schools. Got any kids in school? I don't, mine are grown. But as a homeowner, I pay school taxes and I gave a shit about those who do. So I got up and went to the damn polls. The presidential nominee was second in importance to that!

Do you know Hillary? How do you know what she actually believes? You are a part of that "non-monolith" that makes up the Black vote that really is a monolith. You've never voted in the primary? Why not? 18 and first time? Were you here and of age in 2000 when Shrub was selected? If you were, did you vote? Did you comment about OUR disenfranchisement on blogs then?

Lock-step is often a misstep if you don't or can't discern what is important to YOU! Find your own truth and then decide. In the interst of full disclosure, I voted for Edwards in the primary NOT Hillary, but I support her now - and I even know why!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 05/02/2008

Good for you SCMagnolia, but still, how do you explain the fact that Hillary signed a pledge that she will not campaign and agreed that the votes won't count in FL, just like Obama and Edwards? You can't change the rules in mid game. So I am glad that you went to the polls for reasons other than the presidential vote but that does not justify counting the presidential votes if all candidates agreed to the rules!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 05/02/2008
- Gmoney1 I'm a Fan of Gmoney1 24 fans permalink

I liked Hillary at one point - not because of her politics but because I felt she was a fair person and deserving of a chance to prove herself - then after Iowa, she shocked me off my feet - Instead of telling all democrats that there will be no gender or race issues injected in our race to defeat the republicans, she turned into a vicious monster spewing I AM WOMAN and began to disparage Obama on non-political issues - Bill Clinton was out there telling people, don't mess with my "girl", talking about Jesse Jackson and Hillary started defending the republican attacks on Obama about his religion and calling Obama an elitist - She's not a nice person -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 05/03/2008
- swanky I'm a Fan of swanky 6 fans permalink

I'm surprised it took them this long. BI voters were due to come out of the woodwork and demand this and that before long.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 05/02/2008
- mvpeach10 I'm a Fan of mvpeach10 5 fans permalink

BLACKMAIL! So this is what it comes to. There will be a price to pay. If Hillary continues her momentum and the DNC is so fearful of blacks that they nominate a loser, Obama will be finished for good. Most Hillary supporters will not vote for him. You can take that to the bank. The DNC and the MSM allowed this guy to become the rock star without vetting him. Vast numbers of whites who voted for him before the truth of him came out will not vote for him. This is another Democratic fiasco.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 05/02/2008

ONe more thing, anytime the black community can't achieve somethind the "want",they are always start to organize,demonstrate, and most of all treataning those who are staying against their demand.Please, don't intimidate,before you demand,first you have to work for what you demand.I don't care about the color of Obama's skin,could be pink, I care for principle.If you work hard for something,you deserve to have it,no matter of your skin or the language you are speeking, but don't claim something just because the color of your skin,if you didn't work for it. So.Obama wasn't honest.With the help of the media he was able to hide his past,his dubious friends,he hide himself,thinking,his past won't catch him,and if it would,will be to late,he get what he wanted,no matter the way he get it.You call this merit and honesty, if so,you are just like him a dishonest lying human species.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 05/02/2008
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PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE, STOP THE INSANITY........ The ONLY reason Hillary is as close as she is to Obama is because of Operation Chaos. Obama is going to get the nomination and then he will be summarily defeated in the Nov. election.
We have three libs running for office but only two parties. I think that I am going to write in BOZO THE CLOWN. He would be as good as any of these three ding-a-lings!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 05/02/2008
- demdan07 I'm a Fan of demdan07 4 fans permalink

What is this, a threat?? Who is playing the race card now?? Would they be threatening if the roles were reversed?? This is just a ploy to try and force superdelegates to come out for Obama now..
Just like all Obama supporters, they are afraid of what will come out next about him. Make him the candidate now and forget about November, maybe we can come up with another threat to cover that election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 05/02/2008
- LeeFromVA I'm a Fan of LeeFromVA 10 fans permalink

If the superdelegates hand this to Hillary, you can add this white man to the list of disenfranchised. I'm not going to be mad at Hillary, I'm going to be mad at the Democratic Party, and I will vote for every Republican on the ballot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 05/02/2008
- Ginko I'm a Fan of Ginko 7 fans permalink

There is no "if" they will do their job which is to nominate the candidate with the best chance to beat John McCain and that is Hillary

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 05/02/2008

In your dreams

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 05/02/2008
- kiga I'm a Fan of kiga permalink

Well, let's do the math, 54% of democratic voters are women who mostly have gone for Hillary, 1.7 million from Florida and Michigan were not allowed to have their votes counted in the primaries (thanks to Senator Obama), and the core democrats, the working class will remember that Obama got the nomination because Blacks said they would not vote in November if he is not the nominee. Blacks constitute 12% of the whole population in the US, the question is should we nominate Obama because we are afraid of them? You do the math! How can Obama block revote in Florida and Michigan and then ask the dems in those states to vote November? If people stop drinking the Kool-Aid, they will come to their senses that we democrats are for people's rights to vote and to be counted, we are not Republicans!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 05/02/2008
- bobdob I'm a Fan of bobdob 18 fans permalink

Obama had nothing to do with Florida and Michigan. As has been pointed out a million times, it was a decision made by the DNC, and it was a decision all parties agreed to--including Hillary.

This whole thing is a scam, perpetrated by the Clinton campaign in a desperate attempt to turn around a race they have already lost. Don't believe me? Find a way for her to win:

http://www.slate.com/id/2185278/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 05/02/2008
- SMP I'm a Fan of SMP 17 fans permalink
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I am a white older female...and I WONT VOTE IN NOVEMBER..so it is not just the Black Community

MI and FL owe there troubles to their own party officials of their prespective states...NOT OBAMA
Clinton stirred that pot as she has stirred the race card, elitist tag, Rev Wright and electability. She has made Karl Rove look like a pansy. and THATS SCAREY!!!!



ALL SHOULD VOTE AND SUPPORT OBAMA BECAUSE HE IS THE BEST CHOICE>>>>PERIOD.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 05/02/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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uhm, "mostly have gone for Hillary" ?????
I have to disagree with that, vehemently.

I personally know many many many white women who voted for Obama
and only a handful who voted for Hillary.
I'm going to say it's in the order of 9 to 1 (Obama over Hillary)

Every single one of them is prepared to vote for The Dem Nominee in November

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 05/02/2008
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Here are the numbers: They (blacks) are 12% of the population, but (nearly) all of them vote as a solid block. They are actually at least 25% of the Democratic population. Depending of voter turnout, they can be have more or less influence than that 25%. That number alone is enough to turn a landslide into a political funeral, and Hillary is far from producing any landslide against the Republicans. In this election season, black voter turnout has been off the charts, so I would imagine their impact is much higher than 25%. I always thought that the real turning point in this primary is when she/Bill insult Blacks and their loyal black support defected nearly overnight. Blacks have very long memories and don't budge - we know this about slavery. On top of that, I thought it was the ultimate in foolishness from them to attempt to spin it into an inevitable loss, especially when Bill enjoyed overwhelming black support for well over a decade.

This primary election was truly Hillary's to lose, and she did it early on. At this point, there is pretty much no chance of Hillary getting the blacks to turnout for her in the numbers she would need to beat McCain, and I think most of the supers know this and are looking to wrap this up. And, we haven't even discuss the youth vote or the white vote that would behave pretty much like the black vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 05/02/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 102 fans permalink

Actually African Americans are supporting Obama at around 75% , making black Obama supporters at about 9% of the total Dem population, maybe a little less considering spotty turnout etc.( ( I'm not even including Repug dirty tricks yet)
(Total Dems are running at about 37%, GOP at about 35% and independents are about 29%.) And they aren't included in the delegate system.

Looks like the independents are the real prize in this election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 05/02/2008
- j.gold I'm a Fan of j.gold 4 fans permalink

kiga- I stand with my black friends on this one. It will not just be black folks who will be pissed off.

"should we nominate Obama because we are afraid of them?" No, we should nominate him because he played by the rules and won.

And as far as "Kool-Aid" goes it seems like y'all are the ones that are blinded. Y'all can't even think of something original to say and repeat Kool-Aid again and again. The mass suicide by Kool-Aid that you are referencing was a tragedy not a joke. Over 900 people died and it should not be used in the context you use it in. Shame on you for trivializing the memories of so many families.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 05/02/2008

The nomination is not "rightly" Obama's. He has not won 2024 pledged delegates yet. He never will. He is not entitled to anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 05/02/2008
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He is not entitled, but he has won by every other fair measure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 05/02/2008

It is rightly his once the superdelegates vote. Save your bitterness for when he is president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 05/02/2008

Please do not get it twisted, Hillary always was the only entitled one to anything. You have them confused.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 05/02/2008

You.Obama supporters have to understand ,no matter in which side your brain is learning,right sided or left sided,that Obama won't be where he is,if the American people would have a chance to know more about him, his associates like Ayers,Auchi,Rezko, uncle J.Wright & CO. He is where he is true the help of the media,press,which was unfair for Hillary,who worked hard ,harder then your "precious" Obama. He is a JO-JO,who unfairly take for what he worked just 3 weeks on the Senate floor. All of you are endlessly criticized Hillary, but let me ask you? What kind of " change" he will bring into your life, the maffiot style politics from Chicago, or what his "uncle" tought him for 20 years? When,Dick Morris,the biggest enemy of the Clintons,was asked by Hannity on Fox Channel, if Obama would be where he is today,if the American people would have known more about him, he said a ferm and categorical NO.I ask all of you,Obama supporters,who will steal from whom the nomination. Put your left or right brain to funstion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 05/02/2008
- bobdob I'm a Fan of bobdob 18 fans permalink

Obama has already won. Hillary can't catch up with him in the delegate count, and nothing Hillary says will change the DNC rules. The delegate count is all that matters. The only reason Hillary is still in this race is because she is the wife of a former president. Do you think the DNC would allow anyone else to go on, joining the Republicans in attacking our nominee, knowing that she can't possibly win?

This stopped being a fair fight the day the Republicans decided to completely ignore Hillary and concentrate all their fire on Obama. Now Hillary's campaign is nothing but destructive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 05/02/2008
- SMP I'm a Fan of SMP 17 fans permalink
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your first mistake is watching anything on FOX........the owner of that unworthy network is in waist deep with Bill Clinton....business deals.................dont you ever research?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 05/02/2008
- cmeans29 I'm a Fan of cmeans29 3 fans permalink

I suggest since you're quoting "Dick Morris," please visit his website and review all the Clinton scandals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 05/02/2008

Gosh - so much bitterness. Losing stinks, don't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 05/02/2008
- Osprey3 I'm a Fan of Osprey3 4 fans permalink

Firstly, your grammar/spelling suggest that you don't have much of a "left brain." Second, your character assassination by association (none of these people are on the ballot or part of his campaign) tells me what kind of voter you are. If you actually took the time and effort to read his books and become familiar with his years of work as a community organizer for the down-trodden of Chicago's south side, as well as his legislative accomplishments in both the Illinois and U.S. senate, you might have a more balanced opinion. HRC began this campaign with all the advantages (name recognition, standing with the Democratic establishment and money), but she's completely mismanged her campaign and run it into near bankruptcy. Is this how she plans to govern the Nation? She's also demonstrated that she has no sense of propriety and will say or do anything for a vote. Is this the sort of leader you really want?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 05/02/2008
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