Black-Issues Group: Price To Pay If Clinton Wins Through Superdelegates

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First Posted: 05- 2-08 08:00 AM   |   Updated: 05-10-08 05:12 AM

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One of the nation's largest Black American grassroots advocacy organizations is drawing a line in the sand for Democratic leadership: if Hillary Clinton is awarded the nomination by overturning the pledged delegate count there will be a political price to pay.

Color of Change, which has a reach of more than 400,000 people, is organizing a petition campaign to persuade superdelegates and congressional leaders that a Clinton win through the hands of party insiders would "disenfranchise millions" and constitute "a shocking attack on voting rights and democracy."

"Following this course," the letter reads, "would give your seal of approval to an 'electability' strategy executed by stoking race-based fear and division among voters. We expect that from the Republicans; we fight them on it every year. But now the leadership of the Democratic party is poised to cosign this strategy of division and disenfranchisement. This could be the worst mistake the Party has ever made, yet it's being talked about as a legitimate way for this campaign to end.

"The voters who have come out in record numbers to participate in the Democratic Party won't allow this to happen, and as the most visible leaders of the Party, you must reject the idea that the nomination can be won with a strategy that preys on racism, sows division, and disenfranchises millions of voters."

The letter campaign -- which appears to be the first organized effort to influence superdelegates on the part of an African-American-based group -- is designed to create a sense of political consternation among those undecided insiders considering bucking the pledged delegate tally. Superdelegates are, by definition, allowed to cast their votes by any metric they deem fit, whether it be the popular vote, elected delegate totals, or the perception of electability. Several party officials, however, have warned that the pledged delegate total should be preeminent in their decision making process.

Previous Color of Change petitions have had their effects. In response to the Jena Six scandal, the group generated responses from more than 300,000 members, roughly the equivalent of all voters in the New Hampshire Democratic primary.

In this instance, they may have more political persuasion. The campaign plays off of an already existing concern within the party that a Clinton primary victory could leave the African-American community deeply distraught and less willing to offer its general election support.

On Thursday, McClatchy reported, "Many black voters are making it very clear: They're concerned that Barack Obama is going to be denied the Democratic presidential nomination that they see as rightfully his, and if that happens, a lot of them may stay home in November."

Officials with Color of Change said their concerns were spurred by comments by DNC Chairman Howard Dean that the Democratic primary was "essentially a tie," as well as the "tone" and "strategy" of the Clinton campaign.

"Ideally what needs to happen is that this concept of there being a possibility of a Clinton win without disenfranchising people needs to stop," said the organization's communications director, Mervyn Marcano. "We want to let [superdelegates] know that people are watching and that folks are pretty upset about this. There is a false perception based on how people are jiggling the numbers that Clinton can win... and among black voters this will be problematic."

Color of Change's petition drive will direct "open letters" to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, DNC Chairman Howard Dean, and superdelegates.

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Wrong way to go about it, folks. Wrong way. Right idea, wrong way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 05/02/2008

Women's Issues Group: Price to pay if Obama wins through superdelegates


I bet that headline would go over great.


Someone is winning with the help of superdelegates so perhaps it's time to use another frame to color the debate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 05/02/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

If Hillary uses insider, backroom, establishment, privileged pressure to steal the nomination from a candidate who has earned the support of more voters --- by any definition of "more" or "voters" -- many Americans of all backgrounds will join African-Americans in their outrage.

In their arrogant sense of divine entitlment, the Clintons' have adopted a win-at-any-cost, ends-justify-means, do-what-it-takes and sweep-up-later mentality. They are badly out of touch with reality.

We have seen democracy abused for 8 years by a presidency built on arrogance, lies, family ties, corporate dollars, anti-intel­lectualism­, loyalty over competency and spin spin spin. NO MORE OF IT. The Clintons and the Bushes are the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 05/02/2008
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Boo hoo! WAAAAAAAAA­AAAAAAAAAH­!
blacks make up 12% of population, so lets get off the high horse of their powerful influence in the rest of the states where they dont make up high % of the populations. You dont hear hispanics whining away, or asians, or Indians or any other minority. If Clinton wins, you all are waiting to come up with conspiracy theories. Her husband turned this country around, Bush brought it back down like his dad, and you all just are convinced Hillary cannot bring it back? WHat the fuck is wrong with you people?

Get over the "injustice" of it all. More African Americans have come into this country in the last 50 years since were ever brought over in the slave trade, so they have no history of injustice on their family.
(You cant say well it was their "people" because if thats the case we ALL have had our history of terrible treatment, if you visit every culture in the world at some point in time).
Just because Obama is black does not equate him to automatically take care of blacks first.. let us not forget he is HALF white too, and the only person in life who bailed on him as a parent was his black father.. though we all know white fathers bail just as often, it becomes plainly clear, white or black we all behave the same..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 05/02/2008
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But the black vote is crucial to a democratic win. Clinton did not get the majority of the white vote; Perot was a factor. But Jimmy Carter didn't get the majority of the white vote either. Disregarding or alienating the most loyal democratic voters is simply not a good strategy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 05/02/2008

Racist

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 05/02/2008
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Please ban these racist comments, HuffPost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 05/02/2008

You sound like a "BITTER" white person!

If Hillary was in the lead with elected delegates and the popular vote, no one would have a problem with her winning, as long as it was fair!

Hillary is trying to win in a very dishonest and unfair way, and we are not having it!

Let me make this clear. Blacks are the one group that have always been majority democat! Bottomline: NO DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE WILL BECOME PRESIDENT WITHOUT THE BLACK VOTE. Whether your racist ass think so or not!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 05/02/2008

Oh Lord .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 05/02/2008
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ObamaGrandma Jean Weiss'08

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/05/02/intv.dueling.grannies.cnn

Obama/Weiss'08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 05/02/2008

Price to Pay if Superdelegates ignore the fact that Obama is sinking in the polls and Hillary leads among democratic voters: A MASSIVE DEFECTION FROM OBAMA BY CLINTON SUPPORTERS IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. Yes we will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 05/02/2008
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Those polls are skewd by 2 Clinton back poll takers....­.so give it a rest. Clinton supporters are soooooooooo gulliable

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 05/02/2008

And you will get the country you desrve when you do. More war, more big corporate control of the gov't. 4 more years of Bushco because you're being sore loosers.

On behalf of my DEAD fraternity brother Ryan, and my DEAD student Kyle (both killed in Iraq)...th­anks a lot Clinton supporters for taking the loss like civilized human beings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 05/02/2008
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Gotta love that woman.....­........Bl­ess you Mrs Wiess....8­2 yrs and counting

Note.....I found it strange the Clinton Grandma needed a visual aid......
push/push spout/spout trick/trick pander/pander thats Hillary

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 05/02/2008

The Black Issues Group talks about disenfranchising. What about the 1.7 million voters that are being disenfranchised in Flordia because Obama won't agree to a solution to counting our votes. It's his campaign throwing a wrench into any solutions. He doesn't want them counted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 05/02/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

The consequences of moving the primary were made clear to the Florida Democratic Party and the State Legislature long before their decision was made. It has nothing to do with Obama. If Florida voters feel they were not well represented, they should oust party officials and legislators.

In my humble opinion, Florida voters should have been disenfranchised officially in 2000 after their presidential election fiasco. They should not be allowed to vote again until they demand state and county officials clean up the corrupt, incompetent, malfunctioning election system in that Florida. I feel the same way about Ohio, whose corrupt system helped elect Bush again in 2004.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 05/02/2008

It was not the peoples fault that their gov. and party officials changed the date, but they are the ones being punished. I dont get it.


and if it were up to you and your humble opinion would you let me vote?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 05/02/2008
- ruscle I'm a Fan of ruscle 2 fans permalink

If Hillary was so anxious to have FL and MI delegates count, she should have been actively stating that at the BEGINNING of the race. Not after Barack Obama took his name off the MI ballot, as was agreed by the candidates, but not followed by Clinton.

Her, and polish's, wanting the rules changed AFTER the results look good for her is transparently disingenuous. They would be arguing the opposite if the results were bad for Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 05/02/2008
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There were folks that stayed home because the media touted thr MI and FL races as "beauty contests" that wouldn't count for anything. So you can't very well accept a count that disinfranchises those people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 05/02/2008
- SCMagnolia I'm a Fan of SCMagnolia 2 fans permalink

partyofone­..."They should not be allowed to vote again until they demand state and county officials clean up the corrupt, incompetent, malfunctioning election system in that Florida."

Funny you should say that, because that's exactly what we did in January! Voted for and passed by mandate, Verifiable Paper Ballots so there could be no more of the malfunctioning to which you refer!

Of course, Republicans attached that very important legislation (along with another equally important one which passed because SOME voters didn't care enough about local issues to go vote anyway) to the primary move date. Imagine that! You see, being in the majority (Democrats that is) in the legislature and having a Republican governor (who may well be McCain's running mate!) kind of puts us in a precarious situation regarding issues where we live, but the DNC really didn't care about that.

Now that you know we did exactly what needed to be done. Can our votes count now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 05/03/2008

SOME OF THOSE VOTERS ARE ALSO BLACK!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 05/02/2008
- BoydReed I'm a Fan of BoydReed 2 fans permalink

You make 3 conclusions in this post. They're all wrong.

(1) The only solution being proposed at this point is to use the primary results in January. The only people pushing to use the January results are the Clinton campaign. The Obama campaign correctly points out that, per the DNC's Rules and Bylaws Committee, Florida's primary wouldn't count.

(2) The Florida legislature won't pay for a re-vote, and the Florida Democratic Party won't pay for a re-vote. Neither of those situations has anything to do with Obama. Florida isn't being counted because state legislators chose to move up the primary, despite prior warning from the DNC on the penalty.

(3) Obama has repeatedly said that he wants the Florida delegation seated at the convention. However, why should he just blithely agree to a solution that effectively penalizes him? The whole point of a campaign..­.is to campaign. To get out and meet people, hold events, and tell voters why you should be elected. He is an excellent campaigner - who didn't get to do the very thing he's best at.

By the way, Harold Ickes, Clinton's senior adviser, was on the Rules and Bylaws Committee of the DNC that wrote the sanctions against Florida and Michigan. He also actively campaigned with DNC members to get them ratified. Now that it's convenient, he "forgets" this entirely and pushes to have the delegations seated. "Kettle...­.Pot calling...­.been meaning to tell you something.­.."

(3)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 05/02/2008
- realtalk I'm a Fan of realtalk 13 fans permalink

Obama wants every vote cast to count, and he already said this many, many times! But it must be done fairly. Hillary of course only wants Florida counted because she thinks she needs that state to win.
EXAMPLE: Now Hillary is saying that caucus states SHOULD NOT count, she thinks they are not important now, and WHY IS THAT?! Because she lost most of them to Obama.
Hillary Clinton is ready, and willing to just throw out the legal votes of the people in: Minnesota, North Dakota, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Alaska, etc.... DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A WOMAN WHO WANTS EVERYONE TO VOTE?!

Both Hillary and Bill have been arguing that the caucus states should NOT count. Hillary is not a person interested in the voters and their votes, Hillary is only interested in winning, at any cost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 05/02/2008

nice!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 05/02/2008
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What about the 12.5 million African Americans that Billary throw under the bus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 05/02/2008
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I would like everyone to stop using the word 'card' as it applies to race, gender or any other '-ism' of oppression. The centuries of oppression of AA's is not a card, it is a reality. I think AA's have a right to protest like any other group. Is Obama electable? That's not quantifiable. Does he have the lead in the quantifiable metrics, of course. Sure, there's an AA reaction. Sure, there may be a female reaction. It's best to stay in the process and vote. Heard of Cythnia McKinney for the Green Party? She's black and female. The MSM is what needs to be boycotted. But, this plays into the Clinton's hands, make whites fear blacks even more...giv­e them a reason to not to support Obama. If whites fall for the Clinton's game and we get McCain, so be it...after all, there are more whites than minorities. Talk amongst yourselves­...convinc­e those who are on the fence what's at stake...SD­'s, but also those whom you know need a come-to-Jesus moment as it relates to race and gender. I would love a female President, just not that female. She's unstable and needs Freudian analysis re: penis envy. And, that's not a dig...wher­e's the compassion, the relatedness, the concern for others that yin/feminine energy is made of? I don't see it. Forget her Bosnia lies...she took her 16 year old to what she claimed was a war zone. How's that for parenting?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 05/02/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

And not using the word "card" will change all of that? Get real, the problem isn't semantics, its the values behind the words.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 05/02/2008

It reframes the matter in a more honest way. You have an objection to that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 05/02/2008

I completely agree. Racism is not something that you decide you're willing to encounter on any given day. It is something you are forced to deal with as a result of a persons decisions that effect you. From what I can tell I think its very difficult for many white americans to deal with race for the same reason its difficult for economist to admit that they were fooled by supply side economics. They would be admitting that much of what they've held on to, and much of what brought them personal success is not only wrong but its not sustainable or defendable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 05/02/2008

OK, for the sake of playing into Hillary's nutty world, let's suppose she and Bill are 100% right: t
hat Obama cannot win against McCain.
My reply to that is: So what?
Obama is still the Democratic candidate chosen by most of those who have voted. Whether or not he "can" win against McCain is completely immaterial to the primary and caucus voting process, which has put Obama in a commanding lead. It's called "democracy," Mrs. Clinton. And it makes people feel good about America -- even if their candidate does not move into the White House.
The Clintons' "win at all costs" mode is what's really grinding the party down.
And by the way: Obama will easily beat McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 05/02/2008

Think again Smell.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/106960/Clintons-vs-Obamas-Strengths-General-Election.aspx

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 05/02/2008

think again frustratedinohio,

check the newsweek polls

:)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 05/02/2008

I don't know that Obama will easily beat McVain, but I do agree to your "so what?"

The fact is that this democracy was supposed to be about the voice of the people, not the voice of the people with a little studio help from the elitist Democratic party leaders.

If there's enough of America that's stupid enough to push McCain to a win, be it against Obama or Clinton (the two best candidates I've known since being old enough to vote), then that's America, I guess.

The "majority rules" thing has always sucked, but you can't very well let the minority rule either (considering that's already the case with the rich and powerful in the "majority rules" system we have).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 05/02/2008
- swanky I'm a Fan of swanky 6 fans permalink

It's a shame to see that you don't believe in winning, that you're looking for some medal for niceness, or to be considered an intellectual because you won't engage in combat. Worked well for Gore and Kerry; likely to work just as well for Obama too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 05/02/2008

You're dishonest

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 05/02/2008

Obama has this locked up. I think this group is over reacting he will get the nomination. The Superdelegates know that they would lose a large number of black votes, a large number of the newly registered votes that Obama has brought in and turn off the young that are finally voting in significant number from the D party for a generation. However, it is understandable that this group is over reacting given this countries history and the perceived fear that this election will be take from Obama. However, this fear is unfounded and it is the media that continues to insist that this is still a close race and that Hillary still has a chance. We get our information from a source that has a vested interest in keeping this race appearing close because its good for their ratings. Shame on the media! Report the facts, this race is over and has been for a long time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 05/02/2008

Obama has nothing locked up yet. He hasn't won 2024 pledged delegates and he never will. Hillary has as much chance of winning the nomination as does Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 05/02/2008
- sbvpav I'm a Fan of sbvpav 25 fans permalink

it isn't just african americans who will stay home; i as a white, over 60 female will vote because too many young men and women in our history have died defending our right to vote; however i will vote for the green candidate. it is a moral stand against politics as usual, the end justifies the means, say or do anything to win then try and go back and fix it and lie and manipulate by fear and separating us one group against another. a stand must be made for the common decency of the american people and against all the past 8 years of bush and 1 year of the clinton campaign has been done in our name!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 05/02/2008

I will also vote for the green party nominee if Obama is not the democrat nominee!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 05/02/2008
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A vote for a candidate who has zero chance of winning the election may make you feel better but, statistically speaking, you may as well vote republican. How does that make your conscience feel?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 05/02/2008

More voters will stay home if Obama is the nom. Almost twice as many. He can't win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 05/02/2008

I'm not sure what Obama did to ya'll frustratedinohio & deeliz, but if you do that, then you'll get the country you asked 4. And 4 what?

frustratedinohio & deeliz want 4 more years of Bush!!!!! YESSSSSS!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 05/02/2008

Anything of substance to back this up? I will bet my @ss that you don't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 05/02/2008

On what are you basing this statement?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 05/02/2008

Charley Rangel, a Hillary supporter, was right, we are threading on dangerous ground in how religious relationships are being brought into the political arena. It started this season with Mitt Romney. Caricature of Rev. Wright and the black church by MSM has not bold well with the black community, both became collateral damage in Obama bid for the presidency. Much of the blame is laid at the feet of the MSM because it drove the story. Hence, MSM will be culpability in sabotaging the candidacy of the first viable black candidate for president. In deed, the Daily Show is suggesting that the Wright controversy was media driven.

Festival of Wright
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=167429&title=festival-of-wrights

Spiritual Advisor
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=167430&title=spiritual-advisor&to=2

I have not seen any of these snippets played on a loop on any of the networks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 05/02/2008
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This "Electibility" theory is completely bogus.

If Hillary steals the nomination she will alienate a lot of people, just black people, and she will certainly lose in the general election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 05/02/2008
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meant "not just black people" (typo)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 05/02/2008
- bobdob I'm a Fan of bobdob 18 fans permalink

Agreed. She'll not only lose African-American voters, she'll lose the support of all the energized young voters Obama has brought into the Party. Overturning the pledged delegates would be an act of suicide on the part of the Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 05/02/2008

it's more than just black people!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 05/02/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

Yes it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 05/02/2008
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Agreed! Don't forget the youth vote!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 05/02/2008
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Not just black people, not just young people, many many voters of all demographics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 05/02/2008

The vetting was also bogus. Has Hillary been vetted since she left the White House?
She has been none to consort with a known convicted perjurer. Why hasn't Hillary distance herself from a perjurer? How could she have had an over 20 year relationship with someone who has been convicted of perjury? She shares the same ideas as a convicted liar? He is her most intimate advisor. You know, you choose your husband? She needs to denounce and reject him. I question her judgement. – More nonsense or double standard?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 05/02/2008
- swanky I'm a Fan of swanky 6 fans permalink

Acquitted of perjury, numbnuts.
Oh, and Bill doesn't hate America, or ask God to damn America, or accuse the government of creating AIDS to kill black men, or call 9/11 deserved.

I want that jackass Wright to come down to NYC and tell a firehouse crew why he thinks we deserved 9/11. We'll see if he makes it back to Chicago in one piece.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 05/02/2008
- bobdob I'm a Fan of bobdob 18 fans permalink

Damn straight. If Hillary can't win fair and square, she should concede. If she cheats her way to the nomination, it's not just black voters she'll have to answer to.

This nonsense needs to end. We need a nominee. Whether you support Clinton or Obama, write to the DNC, your Senators and Representatives, your Governors, etc. Tell them it's time to bust a move.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 05/02/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

60 percent of Americans don't think Hillary is honest or trustworthy.

We have had ENOUGH of lying from presidents. We don't need Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 05/02/2008
- zitlight73 I'm a Fan of zitlight73 40 fans permalink

This whole super delegate thing seems fishy to me. Kind of an Orwellian democracy all votes are created equal but some votes are more equal than others. Hell we might as well just let the Diebold Voting machines vote now and get it over with they're going decide the outcome in November anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 05/02/2008

Superdelegates and the DNC have to take in consideration that if they were to hand the nomination over to Hillary after Obama won it fair and square, that it would not just affect the AA turnout, also the youth vote and anyone on the ticket with Hillary, running for senator, house, state office, would pay a heavy price for doing this. They better all wakeup and starting coming out for Obama and get this over with. The longer she's in the race, the more damage she continues to cause. I am not AA nor a part of the longer generation supporting Senator Obama, I am an older white woman who supports him, so end this now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 05/02/2008
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