Clinton seeks gas tax vote, Obama calls it 'shell' game

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DAVID ESPO | May 2, 2008 11:42 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., speaks at a rally in Hendersonville, N.C. Friday, May 2, 2008. The state's primary election takes place May 6th. (AP Photo/Elise Amendola)

MUNSTER, Ind. — Hillary Rodham Clinton called for a vote Friday in the Democratic-controlled Congress on a summertime suspension of the federal gasoline tax, a plan that Barack Obama dismissed as a political stunt that would cost thousands of construction jobs.

"It's a Shell game. Literally," Obama said to laughter from his campaign audience, adding it would mean little for hard-pressed consumers.

The Democratic presidential rivals highlighted their differences in ads and speeches across North Carolina and Indiana, two states with primaries Tuesday.

Polls point toward a particularly close finish in Indiana, which is next door to Obama's home state of Illinois.

Surveys show him with a dwindling advantage in North Carolina, and Clinton decided to spend all of Friday and Saturday in the state before returning to Indiana for a final push. Both candidates addressed the North Carolina Democratic Party's Jefferson-Jackson dinner Friday night.

"North Carolina is going to help elect the next president," Clinton called out to a raucous crowd. About an hour later, Obama told the thousands in attendance, "It starts right here, on Tuesday, right here in North Carolina!"

The two primaries have 187 national convention delegates at stake.

Obama, the front-runner, leads in the overall delegate competition, 1,736.05-1605.5. Clinton won a decisive victory last week in Pennsylvania and is counting on a strong run through the late primaries to persuade convention superdelegates to help her overtake her rival. She picked up the support Friday of Democratic National Committee member Jaime A. Gonzalez Jr., a Texas superdelegate, and two pledged delegates from final results from last week's Pennsylvania primary.

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Jolted by Thursday's defection of Joe Andrew, a former national party chairman, Clinton responded with a letter from seven other former party heads and the family of an eighth.

"Her base of support includes women, Hispanics, seniors, Catholics, middle and low-income Americans, and rural, suburban and urban voters. That's a formidable coalition tailor-made for victory in a November general election," they wrote.

They added that if the election were held today, Clinton would defeat Republican Sen. John McCain and win the White House. "Obama would lose to the presumptive GOP nominee," they wrote.

Polls are equivocal on that point. Moreover, they have been particularly volatile in recent weeks as campaign criticism takes its toll on the two Democrats and Obama grapples with controversy stemming from the rhetoric of his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Despite a fierce, occasionally personal campaign, to a surprising degree the former first lady and Obama have generally agreed on most policy issues.

That made the proposed suspension in the gasoline tax an exception.

And while there is little support among the Democratic congressional leadership for the plan, it was a disagreement that both presidential contenders appeared content to perpetuate.

"All I hear about is gas prices. Gas and diesel, everywhere," Clinton said in Kinston, N.C. "Some people say we don't need to get a gas tax holiday at all, it's a gimmick ... I want the Congress to stand up and vote. Are they for the oil companies, or are they for you?"

Later, in Hendersonville, she added, "I know where I stand and I know where my opponents stand. ... Senator Obama doesn't want us to take down the gas tax this summer and Senator McCain wants us to, but he doesn't want to pay for it."

Clinton has proposed making up the lost revenue by imposing a windfall profits tax on oil companies.

Obama's rhetoric grew sharper, as well.

"She even borrowed one of Bush's favorite phrases," he said dismissively of the New York senator. "She said every member of Congress should have to tell us whether they are with us or against us."

He said the average consumer would save a "quarter and a nickel" a day, and only $28 in three months.

McCain also favors the gasoline tax holiday, and Obama said sarcastically that showed Clinton "has his vote," and that the two are reading from the same political playbook.

McCain told a town-hall audience in Denver: "I want to give the American consumer a little bit of relief just for the summer. Maybe they'll be able to buy an additional textbook for their children when they go back to school this fall."

Clinton launched a television ad several days ago critical of Obama on the issue.

"The economy's in trouble. When the housing crisis broke, Hillary Clinton called for action: a freeze on foreclosures. Barack Obama said, no. Now, gas prices are skyrocketing, and she's ready to act again. ... Barack Obama says no, again."

A new Obama response ad airing in Indiana in the campaign's final days calls Clinton's gas tax holiday proposal "an election year-gimmick, saving Hoosiers just pennies a day."

Within the congressional leadership, Clinton's position has found relatively little support, and no votes are currently anticipated in either the House or Senate.

"First of all, there is no reason to believe that any moratorium on the gas tax will be passed on to the consumer," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., told reporters on Thursday.

"... This has not been the history of a lower gas tax being passed on to the consumer. Second of all, it would defeat everything that we have been trying to do to lower the cost of oil."

In the Senate, Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said recently that rank-and-file Democrats are divided on the issue. A spokesman said during the day there will be no gasoline tax holiday in legislation Democrats intend to unveil next week.

The dispute centered on a pair of taxes, 18.4 cents per gallon of gasoline and 24.4 cents on a gallon of diesel. The money raised goes into a fund that pays for construction of highways and bridges.

In Indiana, Obama said a summertime gasoline tax holiday would cost 6,000 construction jobs. The campaign circulated material showing the estimate came from the American Road and Transportation Builders Association, a trade group. The group said the impact on North Carolina would be 7,000 jobs lost.

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Associated Press Writer Beth Fouhy in North Carolina contributed to this report.

MUNSTER, Ind. — Hillary Rodham Clinton called for a vote Friday in the Democratic-controlled Congress on a summertime suspension of the federal gasoline tax, a plan that Barack Obama dismissed a...
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- DMW1 I'm a Fan of DMW1 2 fans permalink

Hillary supporter and North Carolina Gov. Mike Easley two years ago called a cut in the gas tax a "subsidy for oil companies" and added that less than two weeks ago he said, “people need to be told the truth about it,” because such a holiday would not necessarily result in savings.

Of course, after hanging around Hillary, now he's all for it. And Hillary did have that expert from Shell Oil that said it was a good idea....

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/03/977494.aspx

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 05/04/2008
- elpollo I'm a Fan of elpollo 3 fans permalink

Did Hilary come out yet and state exactly what was necessary before she would obliterate Israel?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 05/04/2008

i agree with Obama.
Clinton has been talking about this for days and days, meanwhile it's May, summer starts next month. What has can-do Hillary actually done about making this a reality? She has something that can actually prove her POTUS abilities before the convention, so lets see her in action. I suspect this is as good as it gets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 05/03/2008
- Lisette I'm a Fan of Lisette 37 fans permalink
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I wish this campaign would come to an end

Send Hillary Huckabee a memo

You lost a long time ago dearie!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 05/03/2008

Hillary wants to bomb Iran. That's one way to lower gas prices...huh, Clinton? Does anyone see this? Clinton...get out of the race so my children can have a future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 05/03/2008
- GBecker I'm a Fan of GBecker 3 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 05/03/2008

it IS a shell game, and good for obama for pointing it out.

one more example of how hillary panders....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 05/03/2008
- Raymondf I'm a Fan of Raymondf 4 fans permalink

Clinton can beat McCain, Obama can't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 05/03/2008
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 119 fans permalink
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Clinton and McCain are the same person, think about it, do you ever see them together? LMAO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 05/03/2008

How so?

Democratic strongholds like NY, PA, MA, IL, OR, WA and CA will vote Democrat regardless of who is running. Suggesting otherwise is delusional. Obama may not be able to pull Florida, but Florida went Bush the last two elections anyways. There is no proof that Clinton is guaranteed carrying Florida either. Obama has shown the ability to bring multiple swing states into play and has established a great new base in those states, making widening the Democrats grip in Congress much more possible.

The whole "Clinton can beat McCain and Obama can't" angle is delusional Clinton think. There is no evidence to support such a claim. On the contrary, there is proof to support otherwise, and that is without any bounce in the polls as expected after a nomination. Either Democrat will likely beat McCain, as long as the party comes together and it does not continue to piss off the independents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 05/03/2008

I live in a rabidly Republican part of Florida and countless of them have told me they believe it's time for a change. To a person, they have said they want to vote for Obama, but they hate the Cilntons and will never vote for them. Not one Republican here will vote for Clinton that I have heard of.
Clinton is too much like McCain to swing his supporters over to her. And she comes with an airport load of baggage that the Dems can't wait to unpack.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 05/04/2008

McCain/Clinton08 or Clinton/mcCain08, doesn't matter which at this point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 05/03/2008
- DrDemon I'm a Fan of DrDemon 7 fans permalink
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Very foolish you are!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 05/04/2008
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Watch she piss off the supers trying to put them on the record. Go ahead and call for a vote. It will demonstrate she can't even work with her own party by calling them out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 05/03/2008
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 119 fans permalink
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How about when she asks, "Are they (Congress) with you, or against you? Yeah, these people can't wait to work with this MONSTER!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 05/03/2008
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 119 fans permalink
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i think a long-term policy would benefit everyone, not a "quick fix" that will pit us against one another. If we move forward with this "Tax Holiday" the Farmers and Truck Drivers "may" get some short term relief, but it would be at the expense of Construction Workers. While I realize it is extremely difficult for all of us, we must continue to look out for one another and not allow the "few" to dictate to the masses. I realize that Hillary Clinton is fine with one group of citizens attacking another group of citizens, I only hope that we resist this path of destruction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 05/03/2008
- DrDemon I'm a Fan of DrDemon 7 fans permalink
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You say, "...If we move forward with this "Tax Holiday" the Farmers and Truck Drivers "may" get some short term relief, but it would be at the expense of Construction Workers."

Why should it be. "at the expense of construction workers"? Why not at the expense of the Oil Companies?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 05/04/2008
- UnbiasView I'm a Fan of UnbiasView 20 fans permalink

If all the posters on HuffPost are so worried about infrastructure why don't you call your senator and try to have them overturn the law that Bill Clinton signed allowing gas tax money to be diverted to pork projects

Federal gas tax - About 60% goes to roads, 40% goes to pork projects like bike paths, light rails, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 05/03/2008
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 119 fans permalink
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I would argue that Bike Paths and Light Rails reduce the use of Gas, so you may want to use other examples.

While I voted for Bill Clinton twice, I am by no stretch a supporter of Senator Clinton. To, that end I find the "Tax Holiday" a ridiculous, costly proposition, and I hope no one is falling for this crap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 05/03/2008
- UnbiasView I'm a Fan of UnbiasView 20 fans permalink

So you think 40% is a good number to take away from roads? I don't know of any light rails or bike paths that deliver goods to the store.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 05/04/2008
- EvoMan I'm a Fan of EvoMan 30 fans permalink

Also, if there is a gas tax holiday, you can bet the oil companies will just keep the price of gas where it is and pocket the extra cash.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 05/03/2008
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 119 fans permalink
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If we purchase more gas, we will drive up the costs through demand, this a ridiculous proposition. We need to hit the Oil Companies where it hurts, find ways to use less gas, it's not that difficult for many of us. This way the prices will go down and as a result we help our Truck Drivers and Farmers, and protect our Construction Workers. The government doesn't always have the answers, we have to learn to work together so that we all benefit in the end. We can do this, we don't need some Shell Oil Lobbyist to tell us how spend our money. Ask yourself, what was your profit margin compared to Shell Oil?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 05/03/2008
- EvoMan I'm a Fan of EvoMan 30 fans permalink

The gasoline tax helps pay for maintenance of roads and bridges. How do it's proponents propose to do this with no money coming in? I just saw what's left of the 35W bridge lying on the west bank of the Mississippi where it got placed after being fished out of the drink. Do people really think this is a good idea?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 05/03/2008
- UnbiasView I'm a Fan of UnbiasView 20 fans permalink

No, it's a stupid idea but please make a note that extra taxes had nothing to do with the bridge collapse here in MN. The 35W bridge wasn't to be replaced for at least another 10 years or so and an extra $500 a gallon wouldn't have changed that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 05/03/2008
- BitterInPA I'm a Fan of BitterInPA 3 fans permalink

McCain/Clinton '08 gas tax game will save you $29.
Do you want to save $148 over the same period (or $600 a year)?*

Save 19 cents, by reducing speed from 70 mph to 65 mph.
Save 48 cents by driving more smoothly when you accelerate and decelerate.
Save 28 cents by having a clean air filter.

You just saved 95 cents per gallon and we have not even addressed tire pressure, alignment and a raft of other ways to save.

That 18.5 cent federal tax is not adjusted for inflation (or as a percentage of the cost per gallon). It was last adjusted in 2003 when a gallon cost more that half as much as today. If people want to save some money, they can do it without a "tax holiday".

* 3 months based on 15,000 per year / 24 mpg (US average)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 05/03/2008



They are all good proposals BUT ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSICE! unless they are being stated as distractions !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 05/03/2008
- DMW1 I'm a Fan of DMW1 2 fans permalink

Actually, regarding my above post, it's not so funny. The filly broke both ankles and had to be euthanized.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 05/03/2008
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