Clinton seeks gas tax vote, Obama calls it 'shell' game

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Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., speaks at a rally in Hendersonville, N.C. Friday, May 2, 2008. The state's primary election takes place May 6th. (AP Photo/Elise Amendola)

MUNSTER, Ind. — Hillary Rodham Clinton called for a vote Friday in the Democratic-controlled Congress on a summertime suspension of the federal gasoline tax, a plan that Barack Obama dismissed as a political stunt that would cost thousands of construction jobs.

"It's a Shell game. Literally," Obama said to laughter from his campaign audience, adding it would mean little for hard-pressed consumers.

The Democratic presidential rivals highlighted their differences in ads and speeches across North Carolina and Indiana, two states with primaries Tuesday.

Polls point toward a particularly close finish in Indiana, which is next door to Obama's home state of Illinois.

Surveys show him with a dwindling advantage in North Carolina, and Clinton decided to spend all of Friday and Saturday in the state before returning to Indiana for a final push. Both candidates addressed the North Carolina Democratic Party's Jefferson-Jackson dinner Friday night.

"North Carolina is going to help elect the next president," Clinton called out to a raucous crowd. About an hour later, Obama told the thousands in attendance, "It starts right here, on Tuesday, right here in North Carolina!"

The two primaries have 187 national convention delegates at stake.

Obama, the front-runner, leads in the overall delegate competition, 1,736.05-1605.5. Clinton won a decisive victory last week in Pennsylvania and is counting on a strong run through the late primaries to persuade convention superdelegates to help her overtake her rival. She picked up the support Friday of Democratic National Committee member Jaime A. Gonzalez Jr., a Texas superdelegate, and two pledged delegates from final results from last week's Pennsylvania primary.

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Jolted by Thursday's defection of Joe Andrew, a former national party chairman, Clinton responded with a letter from seven other former party heads and the family of an eighth.

"Her base of support includes women, Hispanics, seniors, Catholics, middle and low-income Americans, and rural, suburban and urban voters. That's a formidable coalition tailor-made for victory in a November general election," they wrote.

They added that if the election were held today, Clinton would defeat Republican Sen. John McCain and win the White House. "Obama would lose to the presumptive GOP nominee," they wrote.

Polls are equivocal on that point. Moreover, they have been particularly volatile in recent weeks as campaign criticism takes its toll on the two Democrats and Obama grapples with controversy stemming from the rhetoric of his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Despite a fierce, occasionally personal campaign, to a surprising degree the former first lady and Obama have generally agreed on most policy issues.

That made the proposed suspension in the gasoline tax an exception.

And while there is little support among the Democratic congressional leadership for the plan, it was a disagreement that both presidential contenders appeared content to perpetuate.

"All I hear about is gas prices. Gas and diesel, everywhere," Clinton said in Kinston, N.C. "Some people say we don't need to get a gas tax holiday at all, it's a gimmick ... I want the Congress to stand up and vote. Are they for the oil companies, or are they for you?"

Later, in Hendersonville, she added, "I know where I stand and I know where my opponents stand. ... Senator Obama doesn't want us to take down the gas tax this summer and Senator McCain wants us to, but he doesn't want to pay for it."

Clinton has proposed making up the lost revenue by imposing a windfall profits tax on oil companies.

Obama's rhetoric grew sharper, as well.

"She even borrowed one of Bush's favorite phrases," he said dismissively of the New York senator. "She said every member of Congress should have to tell us whether they are with us or against us."

He said the average consumer would save a "quarter and a nickel" a day, and only $28 in three months.

McCain also favors the gasoline tax holiday, and Obama said sarcastically that showed Clinton "has his vote," and that the two are reading from the same political playbook.

McCain told a town-hall audience in Denver: "I want to give the American consumer a little bit of relief just for the summer. Maybe they'll be able to buy an additional textbook for their children when they go back to school this fall."

Clinton launched a television ad several days ago critical of Obama on the issue.

"The economy's in trouble. When the housing crisis broke, Hillary Clinton called for action: a freeze on foreclosures. Barack Obama said, no. Now, gas prices are skyrocketing, and she's ready to act again. ... Barack Obama says no, again."

A new Obama response ad airing in Indiana in the campaign's final days calls Clinton's gas tax holiday proposal "an election year-gimmick, saving Hoosiers just pennies a day."

Within the congressional leadership, Clinton's position has found relatively little support, and no votes are currently anticipated in either the House or Senate.

"First of all, there is no reason to believe that any moratorium on the gas tax will be passed on to the consumer," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., told reporters on Thursday.

"... This has not been the history of a lower gas tax being passed on to the consumer. Second of all, it would defeat everything that we have been trying to do to lower the cost of oil."

In the Senate, Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said recently that rank-and-file Democrats are divided on the issue. A spokesman said during the day there will be no gasoline tax holiday in legislation Democrats intend to unveil next week.

The dispute centered on a pair of taxes, 18.4 cents per gallon of gasoline and 24.4 cents on a gallon of diesel. The money raised goes into a fund that pays for construction of highways and bridges.

In Indiana, Obama said a summertime gasoline tax holiday would cost 6,000 construction jobs. The campaign circulated material showing the estimate came from the American Road and Transportation Builders Association, a trade group. The group said the impact on North Carolina would be 7,000 jobs lost.

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Associated Press Writer Beth Fouhy in North Carolina contributed to this report.

MUNSTER, Ind. — Hillary Rodham Clinton called for a vote Friday in the Democratic-controlled Congress on a summertime suspension of the federal gasoline tax, a plan that Barack Obama dismissed a...
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- booker52 I'm a Fan of booker52 24 fans permalink
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This gas tax holiday is a joke and will not save the you anything in the long run. Trying to get the oil companies to take up the difference will take forever. Won't work and is just hype.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 05/03/2008
- wearyvoter I'm a Fan of wearyvoter 4 fans permalink

When we had the gas tax holiday here in Illinois, it did almost nothing to lower gas prices. There were several times when the price per gallon rose to meet or exceed the pre-tax-holiday price.

Cheap gas is a long way off, if it ever does return.

India and China have increased their fuel usage, so we're no longer the only big gas guzzlers on the block.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 05/03/2008

You know Hilliary's got a gimmick for everything. When she was running for Senaqtor, she told the people in Upstate New York that she would creat 200,000 jobs. She did not create one job. When asked about it she said "When I made the pledge, I was counting on having a Democratic White House, a Democratic president, who shared my values about what we needed to do to make the economy work for everyone and to create shared prosperity," Hilliary will promise or do anything to become president.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 05/03/2008

TO ALL THE VOTERS:
Since the media is refusing to reveal/report the Paul vs Clinton fraud case in court right now, we need to create our own movement and flood every blog on CNN and every blogging website on the World Wide Web with information from the case regardless of what the topic is. For those that don't know - Google Paul vs Clinton and hold on to your shirt with what you read!!
For those of you who think this case has been thrown out or is irrelevant:
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Here is the kicker - the judge is a Bill Clinton appointee!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 05/03/2008
- utd I'm a Fan of utd 17 fans permalink
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She is at a net loss of 30,000 jobs in the state since she got into office too. She has given a retarded amount in earmarks to companies, so it would stand to reason they would have used that money to create more jobs... oh wait, never mind they just pocketed the cash and gave Hillary massive amounts of money for her campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 05/03/2008
- Photofarm I'm a Fan of Photofarm 19 fans permalink

Why not step back and look at Obama, Clinton, and McCain's ideas to help lower gas prices. None of them get it, and would only make things worse instead of better.

The Presidential Election of 2008, no one left standing has a clue about what to do, and will make Bush look better in the next 4 years. ( Bush has made mistakes, but the current 3 only want to repeat past mistakes, especially on the economy )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 05/03/2008

I'm not disagreeing with you, but what is YOUR idea for how to bring gas prices down? I've been trying to think of one, and I don't see one the way the system is set up. What's YOUR solution?

Personally, I think this is a non-issue. America is supposed to be a free-market society, and gas prices are a result of the world market. All the pandering by politicans is not going to have a long term effect on gas prices. They will never move south again. Our gas is going to cost what it costs. Accept it and find alternative solutions to transportation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 05/03/2008
- Photofarm I'm a Fan of Photofarm 19 fans permalink

Solution, allow drilling in ANWAR, allow drilling offshore of the United States. Approve oil refinery expansion and build new plants in the United States. Allow Nuclear Plants to be built instead of using government bureaucrats to stop them with regulation. Build windmill power generation in Ted Kennedy's back yard ( actually he has stopped near a Kennedy vacation compound, but I don't remember exactly where the location is located )

You are right, the free market can work to increase supply, but too many politicians don't let the free market work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 05/03/2008

The economist say this idea is BAD! Who is dumb enough to still argue this point?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 05/03/2008

How ready could she be if she is pushing these stupid policies and if she voted for a war that had not nothing to do with 9-11, if she oush polls to see what's popular instead of what's the right way to solve problems?
She's ready from day one to do screw this country and lie to us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 05/03/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 233 fans permalink
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There's no hope for Hillary anymore, her corruption is so deep she can't be reformed, And a Hillary presidency would be corrupt, or so I believe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 05/03/2008
- WFV I'm a Fan of WFV 13 fans permalink
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Twenty-eight dollars? Maybe we can buy a text book?

I don' t think most people would even notice the $28, after a trip or two to the grocery store. The impact in my pocket would not even be noticed. Twenty-eight dollars, but thousands of job losses. Sounds like a very Democratic position, Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 05/03/2008
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$28 would not even cover the cost of a textbook these days. McCain is a whack-job who as he admitted doesn't know a damn thing about the economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 05/03/2008
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I heard Bill Clinton saying he was being sent around N.C. as the Ambassador to rural America.
Excuse me , aren't these the same "moral values" people who were having a cow over his behavior in the Whie House?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 05/03/2008

I am amazed that people don't through these guys? If we elect McCain or Clinton, we can only blame ourselves for the mess we are in and for ever greater mess we'll be in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 05/03/2008

McCain and Clinton are crazy!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 05/03/2008
- DavidK08 I'm a Fan of DavidK08 8 fans permalink

She is only doing this for smoke and mirrors. HRC doesn't need to come through with anything, just keep herself relevant for as long as possible.

Voters fall for this game, but the supers don't. That is funny since it is the supers that hold her path to victory. Since they know this is a game she is playing, winning on tuesday will be checked with more Obama super delegates.

Same thing with calling tuesday a "game changer". She just needs voters to think it isn't over because a vote for her will put her in the white house.....NO IT WONT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 05/03/2008

Shut up Hillary ! What good is 18 cents off gas for a couple of months going to do the average Joe....Is there nothing you won't dangle in front of people to try to hide your corruptness and inexperience ??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 05/03/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 233 fans permalink
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" I want the Congress to stand up and vote. Are they for the oil companies, or are they for you?" (HRC)
It's not enough that she trashes a fellow Democrat, Obama, now she's trashing the Democrat-controlled Congress by suggesting that it's for big oil. The woman would trash her own mother, for a vote. Even if it's true, it's not Hillary who should be saying it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 05/03/2008
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Considering the principal beneficiaries of this "tax holiday" would be the oil companies I'd say congress would do well to not vote for it at all if they are for the general public.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 05/03/2008

Yesterday several Senators came out against it, then Bush said there was no way he would support it. But has she stopped pandering. Nope, she hope people will think she's trying to do something for them and she'll blame congress and Bush! Even when ever economist and scholar has stated this is a bad idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 05/03/2008
- butchie65 I'm a Fan of butchie65 7 fans permalink

She's dragging her mother out right now, for a prop. How ANYONE can vote for her, they need their head examined. The woman is nothing but, the same old crap. We want a new beginning. Obama 08 !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 05/03/2008
- utd I'm a Fan of utd 17 fans permalink
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She pissed enough people off in this election that she will be lucky if the people of NY even vote her back into office at this point. For all her talk about experience, and all her supporters blabing up and down how much she has done, she really only managed to pass two significant pieces of legislation in her entire time in the Senate. Obama was there less than half that time yet also managed to pass two pieces of major legislation. She is a hack, and I don't think her peers care for her very much anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 05/03/2008
- anney I'm a Fan of anney 9 fans permalink

The Democratic leadership will be very smart to disallow Hillary's pandering "shell game" to come to the floor for a vote, which is probably the plan. Nancy Pelosi has already stated Hillary's proposal is a BAD idea and does not address the problem of skyrocketing gasoline prices.

This move of Hillary's is just another example of "Washington politics", which Americans are SICK of. All she knows is that GW Bush brought the cost of gasoline down before elections, which he trusted would benefit the Republicans. So, she'll try the same scam on Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 AM on 05/03/2008
- ntmessage I'm a Fan of ntmessage 35 fans permalink

This proposal will not lose a single job and Obama knows it. He also knows that this in not a policy but short term help for consumers and truck drivers. Using scare tactics again proves he is not only a typical politician, but also a bad one. What happened to the original Brand?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 05/03/2008
- anney I'm a Fan of anney 9 fans permalink

The federal excise tax on gasoline & diesel fuel has been the same since 1993, the rate has not increased. It is the fuel costs that have increased. A moratorium on the tax would do nothing to bring down the cost of fuel. Since the taxes go into the Federal Highway Trust fund for the building and repair of America's roads and highways, their loss certainly would result in jobs connected to transportation projects.

Besides, this is all wheel-spinning, a Clinton gimmick. Congress isn't going to pass such a bill, since it would undermine everything else they're working on to address the long-term problem of energy costs in America.

But you can be sure this is JUST how Hillary would act as president, unconcerned about long-term solutions to problems and injecting herself with destructive demands into carefully-wrought solutions for her own political gain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 05/03/2008
- ntmessage I'm a Fan of ntmessage 35 fans permalink

Thank you for your thoughtful comments.

However, you are misinformed or simply trying to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

I will try to dumb it down for you and ignore peak oil theory for now. Ok? I know most Obama supporters know little of how the capital market works anyway.

1. This is NOT policy. It is short-term assistance and people will pay less for gas.
2. The trust fund can and has in the past run in deficit. There is no Pay-Go in congress remember? This means not a single project will be canceled and not a single job would be lost.
3. Hillary being short term. You are kidding right?

Listen any idiot knows about the excise tax. And suddenly everyone is an economist.

Lastly and most obvious is that this plan works exactly like the stimulus package that Obama signed. So Obama is ok with the stimulus package last month but not ok with this one?

Talk about only taking a position for political gain. Please!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 05/03/2008
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Exactly how does it help the consumer pray tell? If you can show that you're a better economist than any of the professional ones out there, none of whom support this asinine idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 05/03/2008
- ntmessage I'm a Fan of ntmessage 35 fans permalink

Hmmm. Yeah let me put my marco 101 book aside and get my kids 1st grade arithmetic book.

Yep, just as I thought! There it is right in the adding and subtracting section.

Please take a look for yourself before you make dopey posts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 05/03/2008

How can you blindly state that this mentally defective proposal won't lose a single job?

What is going to make up the revenue that will be lost? Where does the money come from for highway and infrastructure repair? Another loan from communist china?

This pandering plan - first proposed by McInsane - does nothing to fix the problem?

And why did hil-lie-ary have her thumb in her butt for the last 7 years while the giant oil companies took in billions and billions of dollars in excess profits?

Jeez!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 05/03/2008
- ntmessage I'm a Fan of ntmessage 35 fans permalink

You are misinformed if you think this was a blind post not to mention that you are also misinformed on how the government budget system works.

Pandering, maybe but no different from the stimulus package that Obama voted for. There was no budget for that either. Are you saying that the stimulus package would lose jobs also? That was 20 xs larger than a gas tax holiday, so are you saying that would lose 140,000 jobs? 20x7000. Complete BS scare tactics.

Listen we all know this is not policy. Just short-term help. There is no conspiracy.

Obama is just stupid and a hypocrite or just thinks we are all stupid.

Wheres my gun and bible!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 05/03/2008
- Rose52 I'm a Fan of Rose52 6 fans permalink

"short term help for consumers and truck drivers..." I don't think so. I think it's pandering on Clintons' part, a do anything, say anything technique that dumb people will fall for. She's counting on it!
Obama 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 05/03/2008
- ntmessage I'm a Fan of ntmessage 35 fans permalink

So it will not help them? Dont be so stupid. This works just like the stimulus plan that Obama voted for. There is no different what so ever.

Was he pandering then? Or is he playing politics now?

He doesnt even know when his positions are hypocritical of each other.

Maybe he thinks we are all stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 05/03/2008
- jkpcguru I'm a Fan of jkpcguru 8 fans permalink
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jeez someone's been brainwashed. The result of this plan is obvious, the reason for her putting it out there is obvious. How can this not be obvious to you. Buddy, think for yourself!

Just because 65% national poll non-trustworthiness Hillary says something is true, doesn't mean it is actually true!

When someone supports Hillary Clinton, it should be a given that they support factcheck.org

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 05/03/2008
- ntmessage I'm a Fan of ntmessage 35 fans permalink

Brainwashed? look whos talking.

This program will not stop a single project or eliminate a single job. The trust fund can run in deficit lake any other bucket in congress. There is no pay-go remember?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 05/03/2008
- shubes61 I'm a Fan of shubes61 15 fans permalink

from factcheck.org...

http://www.factcheck.org/gas_price_fixes_that_wont.html

"Hillary Clinton and John McCain are offering overburdened motorists a federal "gasoline tax holiday." But economists say that the proposal is unlikely to actually lower the price of gasoline. McCain's plan would essentially give federal funds to oil refineries, while the net effect of Clinton's plan probably wouldn't be much at all, although it would create a lot of new administrative work."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 05/03/2008
- ntmessage I'm a Fan of ntmessage 35 fans permalink

Yes the economists say this but as we know they are never right in predicting a single thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 05/03/2008
- filo I'm a Fan of filo 71 fans permalink
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Step right up folks! Here we have a little three card monte. It's such an easy game. All you have to do is follow the queen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 AM on 05/03/2008
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