Obama wins close race, beats Clinton in Guam

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May 3, 2008 11:25 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., smiles as he watches his two daughters, Malia and Sasha, roller skate at Great Skates Fun Center in Lafayette, Ind., Saturday, May 3, 2008. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)

HAGATNA, Guam — Barack Obama defeated Hillary Rodham Clinton by seven votes in the Guam Democratic presidential caucuses Saturday. The count of more than 4,500 ballots took all night.

Neither candidate campaigned in the U.S. island territory in person, but both did long-distance media interviews and bought campaign ads for the caucuses.

Results of the count completed Sunday morning Guam time show delegates pledged to Obama with 2,264 votes to 2,257 for Clinton's slate. That means they'll split the pledged delegate votes. Obama's slate won in 14 of 21 districts.

Clinton issued a statement Saturday night promising, "I will continue to champion the issues facing the people of Guam, and when I'm president I will ensure that hard-working families of Guam have the resources and the opportunity to succeed." Obama's campaign had no immediate reaction to the results.

Eight pledged delegates will attend the convention, each with one-half vote.

U.S. citizens on the island, however, have no vote in the November election.

The territory also sends five superdelegates to the National Convention in August in Denver.

Voters picked two of the superdelegates, electing uncommitted Pilar Lujan party chairman and Jaime Paulino vice chairman. Paulina ran as an Obama supporter. One other existing superdelegate has favored Clinton and the votes of the other two have not been declared.

The Guam caucuses added two pledged delegates apiece for Clinton and Obama. The vote for party chairman and vice chairman also added a superdelegate for Obama and subtracted one for Clinton because the outgoing vice chair had endorsed the New York senator.

Obama had a total of 1,742.5 delegates, including endorsements from party and elected officials who will serve as superdelegates. Clinton had 1,607.5 delegates, according to The Associated Press tally.

It will take 2,025 delegates to secure the Democratic nomination at the party's national convention this summer in Denver.

All-day voting Saturday had people lining up at 21 caucus sites around the U.S. territorial island, which has unexpected importance in a historic Democratic race in which every delegate matters.

There was no direct presidential vote, but each candidate had a slate of supporters on the ballot.

Slow ballot-by-ballot counting went through the night in the territorial legislative building after votes were hand-carried from the caucus sites.

Presidential caucuses on Guam usually pass without much notice from the candidates. This time, Obama and Clinton made their case for the territory's four regular delegates with local advertising and long-distance interviews.

Lines formed early at some caucus sites.

Cynthia Estrada of Dededo said she was making up her mind while waiting to vote, but she was leaning toward Clinton.

"She's had the experience," she said. "She's got her husband to help her."

Yona resident Tommy Shimizu said he was voting for Obama delegates.

"It's the fact that he grew up in Hawaii, and I think he can make change," he said. "I think it's time for that."

Clinton and Obama pitched improved health care and economic opportunity as they courted Guam voters from across the international date line. Both Clinton and Obama say they've got the better health plan for Guamanians.

Obama said in an interview with Pacific Daily News that he would support reexamination of a $5.4 million Medicaid spending limit imposed on the territory. Clinton's husband, former President Bill Clinton, told KUAM radio that his wife would work to remove the cap.

Hillary Clinton also has called for Guamanians to be able to vote in presidential elections.

 
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Happy to see that double-digit win for Barack Obama. Obama 2008!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 05/04/2008

uhappytoo,
Hey, were you sleepy when you wrote this early this morning? Senator Obama won by 7 votes, not 7 points and 7 is not double digits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 05/05/2008
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"Clinton issued a statement Saturday night promising, "I will continue to champion the issues facing the people of Guam, and when I'm president I will ensure that hard-working families of Guam have the resources and the opportunity to succeed."

How can "WonderWoman" accomplish this if she will not even be the nominee, much less be president? Or is she just being a wondering woman?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 05/04/2008

TO ALL THE VOTERS:
Since the media is refusing to reveal/report the Paul vs Clinton fraud case in court right now, we need to create our own movement and flood every blog on CNN and every blogging website on the World Wide Web with information from the case regardless of what the topic is. For those that don't know - Google Paul vs Clinton and hold on to your shirt with what you read!!
For those of you who think this case has been thrown out or is irrelevant:
"In the landmark civil fraud case against Bill Clinton in Los Angeles, where the former President is charged with defrauding a Hollywood dot com millionaire to help Hillary Clinton obtain more than $1.2 million from him for her 2000 Senate campaign, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Aurelio Munoz ruled on Friday, April 25, 2008 that Hillary Clinton would not be required to testify in a sworn deposition as a material witness in the case until AFTER the November election!."(paulvclinton.com)
Here is the kicker - the judge is a Bill Clinton appointee!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 05/05/2008

The mayor of Guam was a big contributor to the Clinton-Gore campaign and there were other instances where Bill Clinton received donations from the Guam government, and in exchange he promised them more autonomy. This obviously never happened and Guam still does not vote in our Presidential election. Mrs. Clinton has made promises to the people of Guam during her campaign and unfortunately half of the caucus voters possibly believed her Fortunately, the other half of yesterday's voters put their trust in Senator Obama, who will do more for them and keep his promises..A win is a win for everyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 05/04/2008
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Forget the fake ass Polls we see on TV, who here is willing to admit that they will not vote for Senator Barack Obama because he is Black?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 05/04/2008
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PAposter,
I totally agree; I am not believing any poll I see from now until November after the election is over, as the vast majority of bigots will not tell that to the pollster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 05/04/2008

Archie, vote for the white side of his family, if you only see color. Just vote for him!

Obama 08!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 05/04/2008
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I will vote for Sen. Obama because he is the best person for the job. She is a person who said she would not even respond to hypotheticals and not she is "obliterate" is an acceptable positions to take? I am not a pacifist, but I do believe you will find yourself in a perpetual state of conflict if you don't talk you your ememies and find out how you may be able to help each other. If you can't relate to foreign policy the refer to networking 101.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 05/04/2008
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THE MEDIA HIDING THIS MAJOR CLINTON NEWS....PITIFUL !

The election fraud/conspiracy case going on right now (Peter Paul vs. William, Hillary Clinton) in L.A. is incredible.....yet NEVER discussed in the media. Just this past week, the judge for the case (considered the largest election fraud case in history) intentionally postponed Hillary's testimony until after THE NOV. ELECTION !!!!!!!! It is also reported that if this story was to hit the news before the Democratic Convention, Hillary would have absolutely no chance of the nomination. Everyone MUST click to read this story....also click the 'civil fraud case' link to read the complete fraud/conspiracy charges against Hillary and Bill. I had heard about this case repeatedly....but I now see....this is MUCH BIGGER THAN I THOUGHT.....AND WHERE'S THE NEWS ???????? Read for yourselves....then SPREAD THE FACTS !!!!!!!!!

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/breaking-news-hillary-clinton.php

Greg Jones
www.Blacks4Barack.org
(A Multi-Racial, Grassroots Org....Dedicated To Truth)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 05/04/2008

does anyone doubt Billary's relatiionship with special interest? How do U silence MSM....it comes down from corporate....who dictate corporate policy. owners , stock holders, big business. ..they want Billary....they own Billary. This case trumps wright, reynolds et al, but there is a complete news black out

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 05/04/2008

Hard to believe and fathom this is America 2008.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 05/04/2008

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face_22005.pdf

Hillary say she agrees with John McCain, she is willing to stay in Iraq for 50 years. What's the hurry in wanting to leave, we've been in Germany and Korea for more than that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 05/04/2008
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What's so sad is...Clinton would be a good president, except that she's a fundamentally flawed individual which makes her potential to be one of the worst presidents in U.S. history so possible. She will end up RAISING the ceiling for women.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 05/04/2008
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McCain uses the analogy of post war Germany and Korea, but in both cases U.S. troops were simply policing a border to prevent an invasion, not sitting in the middle of a civil war. There is no satisfactory way either to completely withdraw from Iraq or to maintain a permanent force, which is the Bush-Cheney legacy. People who want us out of Iraq should stop quibbling about unknowable details and consequences and just support the policy of withdrawal, which will be very difficult and controversial no matter who implements it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 05/04/2008

Yes, there will be a recount. I think it will be the Obama camp that will ask for it. I was watching CNN Election Center. At more than 85% of the vote Obama had a 53% to 47% lead. Then it went to 7 votes when all the votes were 'counted'. And this last precinct is 'supposedly' the most 'cosmopolitian'. The Clintons/MSM want to continue to give the appearance that even Guam is a close race. It's perception, even if it doesn't change the amount of delegate split.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 05/04/2008

I wonder who the idiots will blame it on when Obama looses the General election. You people are stupidddddddd, he won't win, and that's the way it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 05/04/2008

Like you know who will and won't win, Nostradamus.

The stupid ones are the millions who will vote for John "One hundred more years in Iraq" McCain; in short, a third Bush term.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 05/04/2008
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Or Hillary "obliterate Iran" Clinton...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 05/04/2008

Well when this all started nobody even considered Obama but look at him now, he's the front runner

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 05/04/2008
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He won't win if people like you vote for McCain, for absolutely no valid reason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 05/04/2008
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Whatever the outcome of this entire lesson, we have all been witness to a very valuable lesson. Party insiders, those who have been in the game a long time, know all of the dirty tricks and won't hesitate to use them. Ready on the first day is truly a euphemism for "ready any day and anytime to kneecap you" and if that doesn't work, I will lie."

I am so disillusioned!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 05/04/2008
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A year ago or less, I would have voted for Hillary but I am now adamantly anti-DLC.

Obama was the third candidate that I sent money to and the forth on my initial list.

If the DLC steals this nomination process, I will also be disillusioned and bitter!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 05/04/2008
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Hil-liar-y wil NEVER, EVER, EVER get my vote. I will make Ralph Nader's come November 04.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 05/04/2008
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Rolling Stones article on Senator Obama. It's a good read. Please pass it on if you have not already read it.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13390609/campaign_08_the_radical_roots_of_barack_obama/1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 05/04/2008
- TKI I'm a Fan of TKI permalink

In the display of the election progress, Obama appeared to start off early with a substantial lead; but, the percentage spread diminished with each stage of the completion, although he still always managed to have more votes added to his tally than Clinton did, up until the 95% completion point. The only time Clinton had more votes added to her tally was with the last 5% counted. As I saw it, it would have taken her winning 500 of the 800 remaining votes to have been able to catch up to Obama, who was then 200 points ahead. Now, that seemed most unlikely, if not impossible, given the progress so far; but, as it turned out, that would have been exactly what happened, if you believed the results.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 05/04/2008

If you believe the results

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 05/04/2008
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If different districts were not homogeneous in voting patterns and turned their results in as discrete totals to be added to the overall, "progress so far" would not have been an infallible predictor in a small election. More interesting is the relatively huge 11% disallowed ballets that decided everything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 05/04/2008

"She's had the experience," she said. "She's got her husband to help her."

Wow....you want to vote for the first women to be president that needs her husband to help her? Who's being sexist now? Is anyone else thinking that way?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 05/04/2008

Yea downthread, lots of people were appalled that anyone would vote for someone thinking that they would get their "husband to help".

Because that is what we really want in a president: An incompetent who needs her husbands help.

I don't know how femininsts can vote for her. She is the worst of all female gender stereotypes personified.

One of the clinton trolls obtusely compared it to her hiring advisors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 05/04/2008

Unfortunately this is the thinking of a lot of women who are voting for Hillary. She wouldn't be where she is if it wasn't for him campaigning and twisting arms of previous subordinates. Wake up people! Bill Clinton is not getting a third term, this is against our constitution.
Obama will be much better than Clinton ever was, we will have integrity back in the W.H.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 05/04/2008

No they aren't. That's what a lot of her supporters think. A third term for Bill. This person was just stupid enough to articulate her way of thinking. Feminists are almost as bad as misogynists are. They don't give a damn what she stands for as long as the gender = WOMAN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 05/04/2008
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Why the recount?

Even if there was a relatively dramatic swing, it isn't going to change the delegate allocation.

Am I wrong?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 05/04/2008
- eej I'm a Fan of eej permalink

It will not change the delegate count.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 05/04/2008

I don't think so no.

If it is Clinton calling for it, she wants a "win.

But I think it might be Guam who wants it, since it looks like it went down fishy in the last precinct. Apparently despite Clinton being behind for all the counting in the rest of Guam, suddenly in the last precinct she wins by a very unrealistic percentage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 05/04/2008

don't you find it interesting that obama wins 14 of 21 districts yet only has a 7 vote margin? fishy is right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 05/04/2008

Hillary needs to claim a win, even it its only by a few votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 05/04/2008
- utd I'm a Fan of utd permalink

It probably won't change anything in terms of delegates. However, according to the convention rules the states won does make a difference because you get a majority of people for each state on the committees. Hillary is woefully behind in that respect already and Obama can already shut her down pretty hard at the convention to keep her from pulling any stupid shit. I suspect she is attempting to undermine the system by getting her people to run as Obama delegates to the convention, it's the only thing that makes sense of her comments that "pledged delegates can do whatever they like".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 05/04/2008

Guam gets 5 superdelegates. Yesterday 2 were elected. One is an Obama supporter. The other has committed to the winner of the caucus. The other 3 TBD.

So there are delegates at stake. Most likely, Obama will win most of the supers from Guam.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 05/04/2008

Yay Barack!!!! Congratulations!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 05/04/2008

Guam Superdelegate Party vice chair Jaime Paulino goes to Obama following Guam"s primary Saturday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 05/04/2008
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