Jimmy Carter: Florida, Michigan Shouldn't Count

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ormer President Jimmy Carter says delegates from Florida and Michigan should not be counted at the Democratic National Convention because they "disqualified themselves."

On "The Tonight Show" Wednesday, Carter also warned of a disaster if party insiders try to wrest the nomination from the candidate with the largest number of votes and state victories.

"It would be a catastrophe for the party," Carter told Jay Leno.

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- Raymondf See Profile I'm a Fan of Raymondf

Bet if he had won the Florida and Michigan primaries he would be singing a different tune, we have 50 states, and two territories, not 48 states, and two territories.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 05/09/2008
- Raymondf See Profile I'm a Fan of Raymondf

No it hasn't

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 05/09/2008
- exotic See Profile I'm a Fan of exotic

As one who voted in Fl, we were broadcasted to all over the media that our vote did not count. Now, since Hillary wants to change the rules, it counts. Pure BS.

Love you Jimmy Carter!

Obama/Hagel/or Paul

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 05/09/2008
- pahprd See Profile I'm a Fan of pahprd

Will at least one Obama supporter please tell me how they justify Obama actively sabotaging the revotes in Michigan and Florida? I can understand why you think it is unfair to count the votes as is, but when Clinton agreed to a revote, Obama and his people aggressively killed any chance for revotes. This is extremely offensive to me, and the number one reason why he will never get my vote. I actually had respect for him once. Not anymore. But I am very curious to hear at least one Obama supporter explain how they can overlook this. Please. I am listening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 05/09/2008
- nomobull See Profile I'm a Fan of nomobull

when did he do this. and clinton's role and the stat e party leaders defying the rules you explain.and her rejection of the last proposal in your opinion is what you explain. listening

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 05/09/2008
- EspressoAtNoon See Profile I'm a Fan of EspressoAtNoon

The idea of changing the rules in the fourth quarter to help one candidates to desperately gain ground?

Point is: when you have a competition, the players need to agree on the rules before the competition begins. Hillary was HAPPY to sign off on denying Michigan votes because the state had violated DNC rules. Every other candidate did the same. Those were the rules to this competition - and Michigan's local politicians were to blame for violating the national party guidelines.

Only when it was impossible for Hillary to win with the states left on the board did she give a s#@t about Michigan. And someone had to pay for a new election. And since the rules were established upfront and a clear winner has emerged based on those rules, why would anybody, but the loser want to change the rules in the fourth quarter to try and overturn the other candidate's victory?

The irony is: Hillary claims to care so much about getting the votes of the people to count (Michigan and Florida). She can't win a majority of earned delegate votes, popular votes, or states even if she is given Michigan and Florida. So her ONLY way to victory is to get the Superdelegates to overturn the votes of the people and hand her the nomination. Do you see the irony? She wants Michigan votes to count at which point she will desperately try and have all the peoples' votes overturned by the Democratic "Elite".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 05/09/2008
- Raymondf See Profile I'm a Fan of Raymondf

Obama steals primary, but not General, because Florida, and Michigan votes will count in the general election, and most are mad at democratic party. So who do you think they will vote for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 05/09/2008
- EspressoAtNoon See Profile I'm a Fan of EspressoAtNoon

The idea of changing the rules in the fourth quarter to help one candidates to desperately gain ground?

Point is: when you have a competition, the players need to agree on the rules before the competition begins. Hillary was HAPPY to sign off on denying Michigan votes because the state had violated DNC rules. Every other candidate did the same. Those were the rules to this competition - and Michigan's local politicians were to blame for violating the national party guidelines.

Only when it was impossible for Hillary to win with the states left on the board did she give a shit about Michigan. And someone had to pay for a new election. And since the rules were established upfront and a clear winner has emerged based on those rules, why would anybody, but the loser want to change the rules in the fourth quarter to try and overturn the other candidate's victory?

The irony is: Hillary claims to care so much about getting the votes of the people to count (Michigan and Florida). She can't win a majority of earned delegate votes, popular votes, or states even if she is given Michigan and Florida. So her ONLY way to victory is to get the Superdelegates to overturn the votes of the people and hand her the nomination. Do you see the irony? She wants Michigan votes to count at which point she will desperately try and have all the peoples' votes overturned by the Democratic "Elite".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 05/09/2008
- NoSillyName See Profile I'm a Fan of NoSillyName

Carter is correct. Everyone signed off on the MI and FL NOT counting, including HRC. Now that she's losing, she wants to change the rules.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 05/08/2008
- ohiomark See Profile I'm a Fan of ohiomark

So the voters of Florida and Michigan should just have their votes flushed down the toilet because the Democrat Party says so?

....and you thought Republicans were stealing elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 05/08/2008
- Raymondf See Profile I'm a Fan of Raymondf

Here! Here!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 05/09/2008
- NoSillyName See Profile I'm a Fan of NoSillyName

ohiomark, no they shouldn't, but both candidates signed off on it. Obama withdrew his name from the MI ballot. HRC didn't and she was the only one to campaign in FL all the while knowing that whatever votes she got as the only one on the ballot were not going to count. She shouldn't have signed the agreement if she didn't intend to keep her word. Of course, she didn't think she'd need MI & FL because she expected to be coronated on Super Tuesday 1. Now she wants to change the agreement because she's losing.

Actually the Republicans are responsible for this mess. The moving up of the date for the primary was attached to some reform bill that passed, but the earlier date was against the rules. Apparently punishment was needed so other states didn't start changing their primary dates earlier and earlier, etc. and blah blah blah.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 05/09/2008
- ohiomark See Profile I'm a Fan of ohiomark

Again, the voters are getting screwed by a political party.

Very democratic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 05/09/2008
- condew See Profile I'm a Fan of condew

The voters of Florida and Michigan should place their anger squarely on those wh deserve it, the Democratic leadership in those two states who sold out their citizens for a chance at a few more hotel rooms being rented.

Florida and Michigan tried to cheat, they lost their representation, they deserve nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 05/08/2008
- bossmechanic See Profile I'm a Fan of bossmechanic

Jimmy's just another great example of the stellar demo leadership "best and brightest" - right up there with Dean, Pelosi and Reid. Ideally, the demo dream teams will keep sharing their wisdom with the unwashed masses. The more they talk, the more likely normal americans will realize how mentally bankrupt the demo party really is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 05/08/2008
- condew See Profile I'm a Fan of condew

"Jimmy" is the real deal, a compassionate man who takes his religeon seriously. The world could use a dozen more like him.

He is what Bush pretended to be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 05/08/2008
- ohiomark See Profile I'm a Fan of ohiomark

We are supposed to believe that Jimma is a good judge of a foreign election (Venezuela) when he won't even allow votes to count from 2 of our biggest states.

His credibility already sucks, this doesn't help.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 05/08/2008
- condew See Profile I'm a Fan of condew

He believes you cheat, you pay the consequences.

If we don't enforce to the rules, the primaries for 2012 will begin in 2009.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 05/08/2008
- ohiomark See Profile I'm a Fan of ohiomark

The voters don't set the "rules" of the Democrat Party. Just like the voters don't control the "superdelegates" who can override their votes as well if they deem them incorrect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 05/09/2008
- Average See Profile I'm a Fan of Average

Poor old Jimmy. Still TRYING to be relevant when he NEVER WAS RELEVANT even when he was president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 05/08/2008
- mattwin See Profile I'm a Fan of mattwin

People in this country do not need a former President who campains for world peace so that their sons and daughters will not give their lives for an unjust cause. What we need is for former Presidents to drum up wars that they can make money on. Their kids will never serve in combat, so they have much to gain and little to lose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 AM on 05/09/2008
- condew See Profile I'm a Fan of condew

He will always be relevant. He's a rare thing these days, a senior statesman who didn't sell out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 05/08/2008
- Average See Profile I'm a Fan of Average

Sorry, but I was an adult when Carter was President--even voted for him ONCE.. NOBODY thougfht he was relevant back then. He is still NOT relevant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 05/09/2008
- NoSillyName See Profile I'm a Fan of NoSillyName

Carter was probably the most principled of recent presidents. The problem is that he didn't have strong leadership abilities. He wanted people to follow by example. He has continued to be a great humanitarian in his post-presidential life. I admire him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 05/09/2008
- Zhonni See Profile I'm a Fan of Zhonni

What makes you think he is irrelevant?

If he is irrelevant, what does that make you? Afterall, you were never president.

GO KICK ROCKS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 05/08/2008
- troykendal See Profile I'm a Fan of troykendal

Jimmy Carter thinks alot of things importand do not MATTER.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 05/08/2008
- nomobull See Profile I'm a Fan of nomobull

bs and the sad thing is you know it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 AM on 05/09/2008
- Truthfighter1 See Profile I'm a Fan of Truthfighter1

Check out latest news on cnn.com Political Ticker. Clinton supporter Harvey Weinstein threating the DNC with Funds.

WASHINGTON (CNN) " Hillary Clinton supporter Harvey Weinstein threatened to cut off contributions to congressional Democrats unless House Speaker Nancy Pelosi embraced his plan to finance revotes in Florida and Michigan, three officials familiar with their conversation said.

The more this goes on the more Obama looks better and better, his notion of Washington needs a change looks more and more better every day when you have Hillary pandering gas tax cuts and her main money fund raiser trying to bully the DNC trying to buy the nomination. What the hell is going on here??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 05/08/2008
- Startreklivz See Profile I'm a Fan of Startreklivz

President Carter is right of course (and I'm a Michigander, whose delegation would not be seated).

The Party Poo-Bahs (most of whom were also Hillary Clinton for President campaign members/chairs) wanted to enhance the coronation of Hillary, so moved up the primary. They had no idea that Hillary would not waltz to victory, and if Michigan had stuck to the schedule, Michigan could have had a real voice in deciding who the nominee would be.

The idiots deserve what they brought onto themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 05/08/2008
- DesertLight See Profile I'm a Fan of DesertLight

Why can't this guy just shut his big fat yapper?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 05/08/2008
- condew See Profile I'm a Fan of condew

Why can't Hillary Clinton stop destroying our future? Why can't McCain seek 100 years of peace?

It's good to hear honest men like Carter and Obama. It's good to hear what integrity sounds like again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 05/08/2008
- Relax08 See Profile I'm a Fan of Relax08

This doesn't help either. Why can't we all just get along.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 05/08/2008
- una4dable See Profile I'm a Fan of una4dable

If we are going to truly change the way Washington politics being played then why not start now. I don't think we should be teaching our children(tomorrow's leaders) that when it doesn't look like you are going to win the game, you just keep changing the rules unto you do. The rules were broken CASE CLOSED. When my children are disobedient they are punished, and if I don't hold through with that punishment then I look weak. Dems we are looking weak right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 05/08/2008
- Relax08 See Profile I'm a Fan of Relax08

This is really sad because if Hillary had not gone down this route of reinforcing the thought that this was an improper disenfranchisement of voters as her road to victory, this would be a much easier problem to fix. It is really sad that she actually signed a pledge not to count this votes and now irrationally suggests that there should be no consequence for these states' party's action. I think they should seat the Michigan delegates as now suggested but with no super delegates- since they are the idiots who did this in the first place and as to Florida they should seat them all but only give them 1/2 their value.

This whole mess makes the Democratic Party look incapable of governing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 05/08/2008
- olivia See Profile I'm a Fan of olivia

And once again, we can thank Hillary for this. Why does she hate the Democratic party so much?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 05/08/2008
- Skeptiqone See Profile I'm a Fan of Skeptiqone

If Michigan and Florida votes count...then what will happen in 2012? If every state decides to move up to New Hampshire dates, it will be impossible to stop them. Maybe a national primary in January is fine, but remember it takes many qualified candidates a long time to introduce themselves to the public. We could end up with a situation where only the well connected or super rich will be able to compete. It is unfortunate, but we really have to think of the chaos the inclusion of the Michigan and Florida votes may create.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 05/08/2008
- 08timefortruth See Profile I'm a Fan of 08timefortruth

Did no one read the other article about MI working on a compromise to seat their delegates? Maybe you should.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 05/08/2008
- Testtubebaby See Profile I'm a Fan of Testtubebaby

When it's Clinton boy oh boy, no rules are the rules...dumb****s!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 05/08/2008
- KillTheMessenger See Profile I'm a Fan of KillTheMessenger

Boy, what a loser Jimmy Carter is... remember how he wanted to raise vehicle efficiency standards to 48mpg? I mean, come on! Who needs that? Would we really be happy if the US were only half as dependent on oil imports as it is? Would we be happy about paying only $1/gallon and use less than half as much gas as we do today? Why would the average American family not want to take on credit card debt to fuel their SUV? Wouldn't that be crazy?

Wake up people! Carter is a loser for trying to bring peace to the Middle East! We need Israel to be in a perpetual state of war with the Palestinian people. It makes the world safer and prevents terrorism.

No. We need to reject everything Carter has ever said and done. The man gets everything wrong. We need to seat Michigan and Florida and give them TWICE the votes and hand Senator Clinton the nomination. We need to destroy the Democratic party and get Senator McCain elected. And we need to show Jimmy Carter how much smarter we are than him!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 05/08/2008
- cyndeewi See Profile I'm a Fan of cyndeewi

KillTheMessenger,

Shut the heck up, will ya! President Carter should be respected. If you need to talk about somebody, why don't you talk about Clinton. You are ignorant! Talk about Obama or Clinton if you want but leave President Carter out of it. He is a wonderful man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 05/08/2008
- KillTheMessenger See Profile I'm a Fan of KillTheMessenger

Sorry... it was as strongly worded sarcasm as I could come up with. I have deep respect for Jimmy Carter. I wrote in another post how sharp the man's mind is (he was being interviewed by Larry King), despite the fact that he is twelve years older than McCain.

Jimmy Carter was dead on about many, many issues that still haunt this world. In the end, he was probably just fifty years ahead of his time. He was absolutely spot on with his energy policy and he is right about his Middle East efforts. Once people stop talking all there is left is shooting. If the US government does not want to talk, private citizens have to. And trust me, Hamas listens more to Carter than they will ever listen to Bush. Why? Because at the end of Carters visit there are no precision guided ammunitions coming their way. That alone buys enormous credibility.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 05/08/2008
- condew See Profile I'm a Fan of condew

You had me going too, untill a started reading more carefully to compose a rebuttal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 05/08/2008