Clinton Supporters Send Last-Ditch Obama Attack Emails To Supers

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First Posted: 05- 9-08 10:54 AM   |   Updated: 05-17-08 05:12 AM

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As the Democratic primary nears its long-awaited conclusion, undecided superdelegates have been drowned under a sudden deluge of angry, sometimes vicious emails from Hillary Clinton supporters urging them to not fall in line behind Barack Obama.

The letter writing campaign picked up steam late Thursday evening when several superdelegates confirmed that a coordinated effort had been launched, apparently independent of Clinton's campaign, to raise last-minute concerns about Obama's candidacy and present the specter of voter defections should the Illinois Democrat become the nominee.

In more than dozen messages sent yesterday evening and shared with The Huffington Post, supporters of Clinton emailed a laundry list of political and exceedingly personal attacks on Obama's candidacy, including criticisms of his prior associations and claims that he, not Clinton, had played the race card. The letters underscore the high emotional pitch of the late stage Democratic primary as well as the utter conviction among many supporters of both campaigns that their candidate is solely worthy of the nomination.

Such campaigns targeting superdelegates have mostly been avoided out of fear that the party officials would react negatively to outside pressure. And at least four superdelegates on the receiving end of yesterday's emails suggested that they did more harm to Clinton's cause than good.

In one exchange, Donna Brazille, Al Gore's campaign manager and a stalwart of the Democratic Party, responded with frustration to a writer's threats of defection. "Honestly, this is the 9th email today," she wrote before 8:00 pm. "So I believe you're ready to not only destroy Roe versus Wade, voting rights, civil liberties and civil rights. Perhaps adding trillions more to the deficits through non-stop tax cuts to the wealthy and 100 more years in Iraq. Yes, please join Rush and McCain asap. The train has left. Catch it."

The Clinton campaign did not return a request for comment as to whether it was behind the email campaign. One author said that she was responding not to the senator's staff, but to commenters on the blog of Taylor Marsh, a committed supporter of the New York Democrat whose readers had gotten a hold of a list of email addresses.

"It was a 'spur of the moment' idea brought about by a blog (Taylor Marsh)," explained Shirley Luther, a Texas Democrat who threatened to vote for McCain should Obama be the nominee. "Tonight several of our bloggers came up with the idea of writing the super delegates. Someone on the blog found a list of emails and posted it.... Everything I wrote is the truth about my political background. The exit polls show I am not alone in refusing to vote for Obama and opting to McCain. This probably would not be possible if there was any other Republican running. But there are a lot of moderate Democrats who do respect his service."

[Added Later]: Taylor Marsh denied any involvement in the affair, saying her readers and commenters were responsible for their own actions.

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Luther's email, compared to the nearly dozen provided to The Huffington Post, was mild in tone. Beyond threatening defection from the party, authors attacked Obama for his relationship with Reverend Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers, the unrepentant Weather Underground member who is a Chicago acquaintance of the senator. One writer accused the Illinois Democrat of playing the "race card" against the Clintons -- a proposition most political observers argue is reversed -- while several others called him a misogynist.

"How can we elect someone who has never accomplished anything, refuses to take stands on issues, befriends anti-American terrorists, attends a church for 20 years with Wright, and denies ever hearing anything controversial, and then stages a *public fight* so he can finally denounce him, takes credit for bills in the Senate that he had nothing to do with, and is propped up as the candidate of change??" wrote one Democrat.

Added another: "Obama, in my opinion, will NOT survive the general election against McCain. But even if he does, he will be beholden to the old-time politics, politicians and bundling interests that raised him up to where he is. It's not new, better politics. It's a sales job that's been done by the old power guards... Look at the presidential loser's club that has lined up behind Obama: Walter Mondale, George McGovern, Gary Hart, Ted Kennedy, Bill Richardson, Chris Dodd, and John Kerry. Agents of change? Hope, Unity? A new way to do politics?"

At least two other party insiders wrote the Huffington Post expressing concern over the scope ("I've received emails like this for weeks but tonight it started in mass) and negativity of some of the Obama attacks, including one red-state Democrat:

"I spent my entire life in the two reddest states in the entire U.S. so please excuse me if I fail to discern the nuances of the arguments sent my way this evening in what appears to be an orchestrated campaign to intimidate the remaining unpledged delegates by threatening to leave the party and vote for a third Bush term if I and others like me don't vote for Sen. Clinton," wrote the exasperated superdelegate. "I have been uncommitted throughout this campaign because I wanted to see how the candidates performed in a variety of settings. I am proud of them both. But I am horrified by this effort to threaten votes for McCain if super delegates don't vote for Sen. Clinton. I have received hundreds of emails from both sides - but I can say without exception that I have not received a single email from an Obama supporter that threatened a vote for McCain if I didn't support Sen. Obama. You really ought to be ashamed."

UPDATE:

Phil Singer, a spokesman for Clinton, emails to say that the campaign knows nothing about the emails. Meanwhile, two readers write in to say they saw the campaign being coordinated at the friendly Clinton website Hillaryis44.org, as well as the blog page on Clinton's own website.

As the Democratic primary nears its long-awaited conclusion, undecided superdelegates have been drowned under a sudden deluge of angry, sometimes vicious emails from Hillary Clinton supporters urging ...
As the Democratic primary nears its long-awaited conclusion, undecided superdelegates have been drowned under a sudden deluge of angry, sometimes vicious emails from Hillary Clinton supporters urging ...
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- Thevail I'm a Fan of Thevail 4 fans permalink
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They are responsible for strong-arming caucuses in Texas and Washington
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No, we didn't. I know, I live right here in Washington State, and I attended the caucus...and I brought three friends with me. And we didn't stop anyone from voting their conscience or strong arm anyone. We're a really liberal state. And a lot of our big-wigs actually endorsed Hillary, they got a pleasant letter from me on why I thought Obama was a better choice.

Of course when our governor endorsed Obama I sent her $25.

They'll get the message.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 05/13/2008

Obama will never win the general. He has to have her supporters to win and based on what I have seen & heard we don't like him and will never vote for him. We aren't college kids or idiots we actually think and want more than rhetoric! Talk is cheap and based on what I have heard from him and his supporters cheap is the right word to use! There is no substance. The Obaminations can scream at Hillary supporters till they are blue in the face but we will have the last laugh and doesn't Obama know it! So McCain 2008 Hillary 2012 Sayanora BO

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 05/11/2008
- Zanti I'm a Fan of Zanti 25 fans permalink
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I agree that it's difficult to get kicked to the curb by such arrogant, self-righteous shits and retain any faith in the country. The desire to see the Obama-Nation crowd paid back is totally justified.

However, as sick as it makes me feel to have to vote for that sad candidate and his intellectu­ally-cripp­led followers, a vote for McCain is a vote against the country. Against us.

I will not vote against myself and my country, no matter how insulted and marginalized I may feel. We can't allow fools to dictate what we do. They've caused a lot of damage to the party, but all we're doing, if we vote for McCain, is making that damage complete. Don't let these people win.

And keep in mind that they don't care, for one moment, who we vote for. Not really. Otherwise, the cretins would have thought about all of this BEFORE they elected to throw the electorate under the bus for the sake of their half-baked hero. We are better than these infants.

Don't think of it as a (gag!) vote for Obama; think of it as a vote against McCain. That's how I plan to bring myself to do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 05/11/2008
- XME I'm a Fan of XME 26 fans permalink
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I'm an Obama supporter, but I agree with your reasons for exactly the opposite!

I think the Clintons are by far more corrupt than anyone in politics, so to accuse Obama of corruption is a joke: they're all politicians and have baggage! This is an election (like every election) where none of these candidates is perfect. Those who boarder on Hillary cultists are putting her up on a pedestal (spelling) and are choosing to ignore her and Bill's corruption and some extremely questionable things about them. As often happens, you just have to choose which one you dislike and disagree with the least! If Clinton had won, I wouldn't have liked it at all because her ethics (or lack of) disgust me, but I would have voted for her in November, because, as you said, a vote for McCain is a vote against the country. No candidate is worth sacrificing yourself for them...this isn't about them, it's about us, and to me, it's about what McCain would do to this country. Those who are willing to vote for that just for revenge are un-American and don't deserve their right to vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 05/12/2008
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Obama can totally win the general.
I can't wait to see him demolish McCain on the debates. McCain will stumble over his words and have senile blank-outs that reveal his core ignorance despite his being a former tenant of the Hanoi Hilton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 05/11/2008
- Zanti I'm a Fan of Zanti 25 fans permalink
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You'd better HOPE McCain is a pushover. That's the only Obama will prevail, even with the press continuing to wipe his behind.

If the neocons go into full attack mode, I can't see how in the heck your man will survive. He didn't even know how to defend himself against Wright. Either he'll be getting a lot of hope, or our party is toast in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 05/11/2008
- jgalvan I'm a Fan of jgalvan 18 fans permalink
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Stick a fork in it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 05/11/2008

What fascinates me the most about the Clinton campaign is that despite the many failures brought on by its inability to understand 21st century technology (e.g. taking months to master getting online donations vs. expensive lavish partys for one time donors), and that all assertions can be easily proved or disproved - that Clinton continues to make in some instances untrue or outlandish statements or promises thinking that somehow nobody will notice. The gas tax holiday was a perfect example - nobody thought it was a good idea - not to mention it was Bill that first imposed a gas tax years ago. I think alot of "hard working non degreed white people" might notice that she who supposedly understands them is herself a multimillionaire. THe good news is people are finally waking up and paying attention - and hopefully the politics of Karl Rove (and sadly now the Clintons) whereby you burn your opponent with half truths and innuendos before an election and before the candidate can respond - will fade - as candidates are better able to answer false assertions quickly and widely. If the Bosnian sniper story didn't teach Clinton that then you have to wonder how smart she really isn't. . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 05/11/2008

I'd be more willing to agree with you if I ever saw a quick response and correction to the hysterical sniplooping swiftboating of Rev. Wright. If you looked at the context of what he was saying, the MSM was crazy. I think their misrepresentation is SO false and SO dangerous to this election that they would qualify as the equivalent of "yelling fire in a crowded theater" that the Supreme Court found was NOT protected speech. Look at the context. Get it right. The press didn't, and everything Wright did to correct them was further mishandled. It's shocking.

Same thing with Howard Dean in 2004. It was THEIR mike problem that made Dean look crazy -- he was barely able to be heard in that room, but practically overnight he was gone. The only candidate who had been against the war before it started.

And with the MSM's shaping of what candidates we can see and hear and vote for. Sure Gravel's name is still on the ballot, but he was disappeared by NBC long ago, and the other MSM followed suit. And this before a single vote had been cast in a primary or caucus. Antiwar, antinuke Gravel had challenged Hillary for her Iran-war-enabling vote, her response was a shocking ha-ha-ha, and after that he was gone. NBC's parent company, GE, by the way, has billions in defense contracts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 05/11/2008
- jelly450 I'm a Fan of jelly450 8 fans permalink

I am so happy that this threat of "jumping ship" by the HC Supporters is backfiring. I was always surprised by exit polls that stated the large number of HC supports that would vote for McCain instead of Obama if Clinton was not the nominee. When Donna said "So I believe you're ready to not only destroy Roe versus Wade, voting rights, civil liberties and civil rights. Perhaps adding trillions more to the deficits through non-stop tax cuts to the wealthy and 100 more years in Iraq. Yes, please join Rush and McCain asap. The train has left. Catch it." I was always thinking the same thing, especially the part about Roe vs Wade since a lot of Clinton supports are women and pro choice. How could any pro-choice supporter allow that right to be over turned, what about future generations? How could any true democratic
not support the democratic nominee and take a chance that the supreme court would be so far to the right that civil liberties could be at risk? I would never take this chance because the I always remember President only has his job for a max of 4 years but the justices for life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 AM on 05/11/2008

Many of us are trying to expose Obama's lies and corruption as well as his race memo because we are trying to save the nomination for Clinton. She is the only one who can beat McCain. She is the one who is most prepared to save our economy and get us out of Iraq.
We have never received any of our information from the Clinton Campaign. We have gotten it from newspaper articles and from goggling Obama and Rezko and Obama lies. One article leads to another.
I thought the teacher’s unions were against Obama because of his support for vouchers and merit pay but I see Obama made sure his friends received the benefits of handling teachers retirement funds, too.
Obama charmed a bunch of young people and intellectuals, they fell in love with him without bothering to learn anything about him. Once they were "in love" they gave him the attributes they wanted him to have and would not accept the truth about him.
After thoroughly researching Obama, we are convinced he is a pathological liar, race baiter, and corrupt opportunist.

Obama defend his toughness saying "I come from Chicago politics. We're accustomed to rough and tumble," he said.
Chicago politics is well-known for being dirty. Perhaps he should have talked about his experience staying above the fray of it rather than implying he knew how to get into the fight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 05/11/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 88 fans permalink

Obama's saying he's from the Chicago southside reminds me of Bush saying he's from Texas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 05/11/2008

This is just pathetic.
Thanks for your concern...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 05/11/2008
- jgalvan I'm a Fan of jgalvan 18 fans permalink
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And let me guess... no one is listening!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 05/11/2008

I don't doubt your sincerity or your hysteria. Where are you getting this crap from? I'd like to have a reasonable dialogue but it's hard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 05/11/2008

You lost me at "race baiter". I sincerely doubt you could find even ONE instance of him race-baiting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 05/11/2008
- DMW1 I'm a Fan of DMW1 2 fans permalink

Do you know what's been great about this whole thing? Look how much people have learned! Let's review:

-The United States is a republic, not a democracy.

-The DNC (Democratic National Committee) sets rules as to when states can hold their primaries and/or caucuses and penalizes states if they break these rules.

-The Democratic Party candidate is selected through state caucuses and primaries.

-In order to get the nomination, that candidate needs 2025 votes from delegates.

-Delegates are allocated in states proportionately. Vote counts and districts come into play.

-Superdelegates are free to vote for any candidate.

The system is definitely confusing and, according to some, not fair.

BUT (notice the big but?), the candidates knew and understood the process before running for office. If you don't like the way the system works, fine, change it. But one candidate should not try to change that system in the middle of the process to suit their needs when they were fully aware of how the process worked to begin with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 05/11/2008
- Zanti I'm a Fan of Zanti 25 fans permalink
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"The United States is a republic, not a democracy."

My late father used to point this out, and it was probably a groan-inducing cliche when HE first heard it in the 1930s or 1940s.

"In order to get the nomination, that candidate needs 2025 votes from delegates."

To win the nomination outright, yes. However, in the event that neither candidate can win those 2025 votes from delegates--the situation we've been in for a while--the decision is made by SDs. Where? At the convention, of course. The media has worked overtime to confuse people on this, and all to justify its three-month-long "Hillary can't possibly win" chant. They use crank Russert-style "math" and constantly reinvent the standards for Hillary to maintain a "claim" on the nomination, whatever in the hell that means.

"But one candidate should not try to change that system in the middle of the process to suit their needs when they were fully aware of how the process worked to begin with."

"One candidate" goes with "his" or "her," not "their."

And who has been doing this, and how? I would argue that B.O. and his water carriers at MSNBC, Huff-Po, NPR, et al. are trying to change the rules, in effect, by confusing the difference between the delegate and superdelegate vote and where and when these respective votes come into play.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 AM on 05/11/2008

Hillary changed her position on FL and MI, not Obama.

As far as superdelegates, they CAN give the nomination to whomever they desire, that is true. However, any objective observer knows they will never give the nod to the nominee with least pledged dels, least popular vote, least states, and smallest fund-raising capacity. The nominee has to have some claim on the concept of *winning* the primary, not just surviving it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 05/11/2008
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Grammar lessons are de classe on the internet. Not good manners. But tit for tat is right in style, so:

'One candidate" goes with "his" or "her," not "their.'

Incorrect. "Their" is now accepted everywhere, and in some quarters insisted upon.

Anyway, very distracting. You were saying...?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 05/11/2008

BO is right.. we are definitely way past silly season :)

The word "Superdelegate" was made up by the press. The actual terms are "pledged delegates" and "unpledged delegates"

So, it's ALL about delegates, end of story. The "unpledged delegates" make up a goodly portion, but they all have one vote. The only difference is that they get to reserve their vote until the convention.

It is also true that the entire mechanism was changed to be this way because the party didn't want to leave all the control to the people. Personally, I think that is a very bad idea, but it's up to the DNC and the membership to decide that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 AM on 05/13/2008

Many of us are trying to expose Obama's lies and corruption as well as his race memo is we are trying to save the nomination for Clinton. She is the one who can beat McCain and is the most prepared to save our economy and get us out of Iraq.
We have never received any of our information from the Clinton Campaign. We have gotten it from news paper articles and from goggling. One article leads to another. We are convinced Obama is a pathological liar, race baiter, and corrupt opportunist.
I thought the teacher’s unions were against Obama because of his support for vouchers and merit pay but I see Obama made sure his friends received the benefits of handling teachers retirement funds, too.
Obama charmed a bunch of people; they fell in love with him without bothering to learn anything about him. They then gave him the attributes they wanted him to have and would not accept the truth about him.
Obama defended his toughness by saying "I come from Chicago politics. We're accustomed to rough and tumble," he said. Chicago politics is well-known for being dirty. Perhaps he should have talked about his experience staying above the fray of it rather than implying he knew how to get into the fight.
McCain would love to have him bring that up because that opens him up to all his Rezko, Auchi, Ata, khalid, John Rodgers head of Ariel Capital, Jay Wilton, Aiham Alsammarae,Chicago entrepreneur Robert Blackwell, Jr.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 05/11/2008

How many times are you posting this same comment? I can understand if you thought the first posting didn't take, or if the prior posting got lost in the pages... ? ...but it makes you look hysterical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 05/11/2008
- Mojane I'm a Fan of Mojane 11 fans permalink

You don't have to repeat yourself. We're not idiots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 05/11/2008

HRC mastermind Mark Penn didn't understand that California wasn't winner-take-all, it was proportional. I learned that Republicans are winner-take-all and Democrats are concerned with fair representation. I learned that Hillary has a Republican guidance system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 05/11/2008

Having said all that, the system is still flawed and inoperable and no way to pick something as important as POTUS. Caucuses are victims of tampering; black box machines are definitely being gamed; the GOP and Obama camp are cousins under the skin (no pun intended) but this is still a democratic republic. Right now. That is also subject to change. We get to vote: that is the democratic part; our votes for President and VP go to the electors in the Electoral College.
Our votes for Congress are proportioned by state and population and also vulnerable to political shenanigans.

OK, I will make a deal: throw out the illegal caucus votes and we can give Obama a share
of MI and FL delegates though he did not earn them

But all and all, the country limps along on three or four cylinders instead of eight. And we are receptive to this arrangement because most are too glued to TV and extracurricular events to care anyway. Please, God, they say, give us a leader and make the problems just go away.

And behold, comes Obama who says he will solve all problems and some actually believe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 05/12/2008
- Sloane7 I'm a Fan of Sloane7 16 fans permalink

Hillaryis44 is not the only website behind this. On Taylor Marsh, a comment posted now says:

Write the SD really really nice letters, even though you can't stand some of them, pretend, maybe it will work to our advantage?
Hillary will be the next President of the United States.

http://www.taylormarsh.com/comments.php?postID=27649#209021

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 05/11/2008
- Zanti I'm a Fan of Zanti 25 fans permalink
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My God--don't tell me they sent out another thirteen or fourteen emails critical of B.O.!

Somebody, call the FBI!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 05/11/2008
- Sloane7 I'm a Fan of Sloane7 16 fans permalink

Hey it's Zanti, who doesn't believe CA is switching to Obama. They've even done a news story on it now in CA. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x130320

So much for Obama not winning the big states. The big CA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 AM on 05/11/2008

Your update about the Hillaryis44 website being an instigator in this travesty of political activism is interesting. The man who runs the site, Alex Rodriguez (a Manhattanite who's listed in the phone book), was finally exposed recently by Ben Smith of Politico.com ( see http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/A_campaign_mystery_solved_HillaryIs44.html ).

Mr. Rodriguez is said to be a bit of a freelancer in politics, according to the Politico article. He was on the side of the angels when he worked for a group known as Ohio Honest Elections, and in 2004 for the Wesley Clark presidential campaign -- I'm sure Gen. Clark never knew this was the kind of individual he had working for him.

But since then, his identity cloaked in secrecy until finally revealed, Mr. Rodriguez's diatribes, vulgar characterizations and insinuations against Senator Obama show a desperately frustrated and obsessed individual now.

Was he promised a job in a Hillary administration perhaps? Though who would knowingly hire such a person?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 05/10/2008
- mortrefuge I'm a Fan of mortrefuge 11 fans permalink

I always thought that Hillaryis44 was a California group run by the California Emily's list people. Now I'm hearing it's a front for Ross Perot? This is one of the most toxic of the Clinton websites. They even blamed Taylor Marsh for their own campaign.

I'm curious are there any similar Obama websites? I haven't seen any.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 AM on 05/11/2008
- mortrefuge I'm a Fan of mortrefuge 11 fans permalink

Hey RichLiberal! Are you really rich? Are you really a Liberal? Or are you another Mutual Disdain? Come on now. The game is up. No point in lying now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 05/11/2008

Post script to my initial comment above:
The Ohio Honest Elections campaign, of which Alex Rodriguez (Hillaryis44) held the directorship, besides fighting for a valid election process was also used to setup a network for the future Hillary Clinton presidential campaign in the state of Ohio. --Now, in hindsight, it all comes together and appears logical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 05/11/2008

I expect he'll end up in the San Diego Registrar of Voters office with 2004 Ohio's Michael Vu and his new boss Diebold sales rep Deborah Seiler. San Diego voters protested and were shut down by CAO Walt Ekard: "I disagree with you, and that's it."
http://www.sdcitybeat.com/cms/story/detail/and_that_s_it/5798/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 05/11/2008

"UPDATE: Phil Singer, a spokesman for Clinton, emails to say that the campaign knows nothing about the emails. Meanwhile, two readers write in to say they saw the campaign being coordinated at the friendly Clinton website Hillaryis44.org, as well as the blog page on Clinton's own website."

CORRECTION: ...knows nothing, nothing

hugs to Sgt Schultz

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 05/10/2008
- Mattjoe I'm a Fan of Mattjoe 3 fans permalink

Again, rather than micro analyze this all but completed nomination process, rather than beating the dead Wright horse, rather than wasting another minute pondering Hillary’s insufferable strategizing - the average American should be more concerned over both their country's ill-fated economy, and foreign policy. Instead, the simpletons on this thread promoting the use of your only voice in an act of impedance rather than progress – certainly an intellectual pursuit.

If any of you (Right or Left) are offended by the mere suggestion that the root cause of American hatred is largely self-inflicted - so be it – does not make it less true. When I hear Obama carefully state he will defend our allies - I also hear a fantastic hint of hope that he will also choose allies more carefully. (and you question HIS intestinal fortitude?)

The U.S. is historically, in bed with some diabolical regimes - few have the guts to point them out for fear of being labeled/ targeted (despite the evidence) and this is everyone’s largest misfortune – evil really is when good men do nothing.

Millions of proud electorates that have bought and continue to buy what the Republicans feed them – are left once again standing with their pants down, deluded into thinking they stand to gain something through a Repug continuance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 05/10/2008
- MPeter I'm a Fan of MPeter 25 fans permalink

This woman is a joke. She refuses to see the writing on the wall. Having tried to box and define Obama as the race candidate, the Clintons have now been reduced to being the racists. Bill looks increasingly demented and Hillary unhinged. I no longer respect them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 05/10/2008
- mabelle55 I'm a Fan of mabelle55 2 fans permalink

You know, it's really a shame that a handful of zealous supporters­/followers from Obama's camp have done so much damage to the blogosphere during this campaign; so much so that Obama's public message of unity and working together has been undermined to the point that it will never be the same.

Calling other candidate's supporters and surrogates names, as you have done here, just really reinforces how ignorant many, many of Obama's supporters are. It also reinforces why so many voters age 45+ don't trust Obama and will probably vote for John McCain. It probably isn't that these folks don't or wouldn't trust him; it's the level of immaturity, self hatred and hatred of others, ignorance of life and politics, and probably a strong measure of misogyny that moves these voters farther away from Obama and his message.

So, the next time you're putting a label like "demented" onto others, and doing it with such venom and hostility, you might learn something about this term and its meaning if you look straight into the mirror. If Barack Obama loses the nomination and the GE, it will be in great part because of individuals like you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 05/10/2008

The people posting here don't represent even a fraction of Obama supporters. This little blog world is small and insulted from most of the outside world. We all come here because we believe that our opinions are right and that everyone else needs to validate them. But we all live in the real world, where we would never, ever speak like this to another person. (Those who do, probably don't have any friends).
Though it would have been difficult for me had Obama lost this thing, I am sure, given five months to chill out and weigh my options, I would have voted for Hillary. And I probably would have been pretty excited to vote for her when the time came. Even though I've said that I could never, ever vote for her, that statement was based on pure emotion. If she manages to win this thing in a fair and square manner, I will vote for her. She is, after all, the Democratic candidate. And I am a Democrat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 05/10/2008

"insulted from the outside world."

I love typos, they are so poetic, so sideways true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 05/10/2008

Fair and square manner??

How do you spose she pulls that off?

Won't be fair and square if she gets it from her on out...

After tuesday...

She's done.

Que up Dandy Don Meridith to sing his song....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 05/10/2008

Kate123: Well said. Without the blogosphere, where would we go to vent? Politics has become a topic you are no longer supposed to discuss anywhere in public, and certainly not at work (although those of us who support Obama evidently don't work, per HRC).

Of course it is hyperbolic. If Hillary had won the nomination, I would not hesitate to vote for her. I am a Democrat, for God's sake. Anyone who would piss away Roe v. Wade over a grudge has some serious mental problems that need addressing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 05/10/2008

To all the Hillary supporters out there who intend to vote for John McCain -- Many have said they don't know Obama, he's an unknown quantity. You say you know McCain. Well, spend the next five months getting to know Obama. Read his website, listen to his speeches on YouTube, try to see him with an open mind. And then, if you still believe what you believe, by all means, vote for John McCain. It would be your civic duty to vote for McCain. But how many of you can say that you've really examined the information out there on Barack Obama? If you are not the kind of Democrat to even want to spend the time looking, then you aren't really a Democrat.
In truth, it wouldn't have made any difference who ran against Hillary. Any competitor would have gotten the same treatment because your passion for your candidate is strong. So don't dump on Obama, because if it would have been Edwards, there would have been just as much negative talk about him. Loyalty to your candidate is not neccessarily a bad thing. But hanging on to old grudges would be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 05/10/2008
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Try to imagine. If Hillary had lead the opposition to the invasion of Iraq. If hers had been the clarion voice about how this was a disaster in the making?

She would have wrapped up the nomination on Super Duper Tuesday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 05/10/2008
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I think the most serious mistake she made was severely underestimating her competition. I don't want someone as president who is not able to evaluate her competition and/or enemies.

She will never be the clarion call for anything because she lacks political courage. She miscalculated when she voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq. She wanted to appear tough to compensate for her image as a dove because she was planning on her presidential run and she thought a vote against war would make her appear weak. The internet has improved our ability to hold people to things they have said in the past. She did not count on that when she repeated her Bosnia story. She underestimated our intelligence when she proposed the gas tax relief.
She has repeatedly demonstrated remarkably poor judgment, period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 05/10/2008
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"She will never be the clarion call for anything because she lacks political courage"

Well, yeah!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 05/10/2008

Mark Penn... (still owed 14 million, for such a bang up job too)

Anyone who has the most popular president in recent history as your husband.Whom is out there stumping for you any place they can put him in the bed of a ol' pick-up truck to talk bubba language to the 'the hard working white folk who didn't go further than highschool'. On top of that your a former first lady, as well as respected Senator from New York. Your opponent then goes through one of the roughest couple weeks in political candidate memory (that probably would have ended hers) and he still whips you in N.C. and almost pulls of a win in Indiana??

Again, please find Dandy Don Meridith to sing hillary and bill his song...

Turn out the lightsssssssss.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 05/10/2008


It is true that the Obama campaign was underestimated. It was not clearly understood that the whole thing was masterminded by Ted Kennedy and his political operatives who were willing to play the race card thru James Clyburn and paint the Clintons as racists in order to win the election.

But that is fading into history now. It is pretty clear that Obama probably cannot be stopped from obtaining the nomination.

It is time now for the Clinton electorate, the Senators and Congressmen who support Senator Clinton to focus on gaining control of the Democratic Party. The results of the primary elections have shown that the Clinton philosophy has a solid central base in the Democratic Party. It is time to build around that base so that in 2012 the nominee will be one of our choosing.

Sen Clinton must stay in the current race, gather as many delegates as possible and let the final results be determined at the Convention, and in particular, to complete the electoral map that is in progress:

http://www.diversityj.com/ElectoralVoteStates.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 05/10/2008
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As a back-when Kucinich supporter, I wonder. The more against the war each candidate was, going the farther back, the faster the voters eliminated them, cheer-led and force-fed by the MSM, the Dem leadership, and evenThe Daily Kos, I felt. Ron Paul, too. None of you give him credit. (I do!) The best candidates were trounced. The voters took care of it. Hillary, with her pro-war vote, followed by her Kyl-Lieberman vote, walked all over Kucinich, Ron Paul, Richardson, and John Edwards. The voters are the ones who erred. Let's hope we make it over the next 3 weeks, and in November.

Obama '08

"The only think worse than soldiers dying for nothing...is MORE soldiers dying for nothing!!!" --Mike Gravel (laughing stock of the Democratic Party, the MSM, and the Republican Party, equally)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 05/11/2008
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"Let's hope we make it over the next 3 weeks, and in November."

(UP= Left-out word.)

"Let's hope we make it UP over the next 3 weeks, and in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 05/11/2008

HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY HILLARY !!! " YOU ARE AMERICA'S MOM "
Put Your Feet Up , Have A Shot & A Beer . You Deserve It Honey
Michigan Mothers For Hillary !!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 05/10/2008
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Think about the disconnect here: on one hand, Clinton is reportedly in talks asking Obama to pay off her campaign debts, while threats like these from her supporters persist. So millions of dollars of donations from Obama supporters are to go to Clinton, who has a large portion of her supporters telling us they will vote for McCain??? Taking them at their word, that's essentially giving millions of campaign dollars to the McCain campaign. So Hillary, either get these supporters of yours under control, or be prepared to look to them exclusively to dig you out of your campaign debts (if they're so committed to you, it shouldn't be a problem, right?). We won't support people who have already pledged their allegiance to the enemy with our money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 05/10/2008
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I don't think that Clinton is asking Obama to pay off her campaign debts. It sounded more like it was a peace offering he was trying to make. Also, the money is not coming from existing funds that were donated to Obama. He mentioned having a fund raiser for Clinton and also asking his supporters to make donations to her.

From what I have seen Clinton supporters do not want her to accept his offer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 05/10/2008

There is NO OFFER. And besides that, it would be illegal. Also, I can't imagine Obama asking his supporters to throw HRC money at any point. It would be political suicide, and he isn't stupid.

Jees. This is such a non story, and is being twisted every which way but loose.

Oh right! It's politics :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 AM on 05/13/2008

Well, if there is a ton of money left over AFTER the GE, then, sure, help her pay off her debts. If she behaves in the interim, of course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 05/10/2008
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Clinton didn't ask Obama to pay off her debts. Obama raised it in an interview shortly after he won NC. And she has refused it because it is illegal on all sorts of levels.

Point the second: Just as Obama has fierce/ang­ry/hostile supporters and followers, so too does Hillary Clinton. Looking for yet another reason to 'dis her by putting the onus on her to "get her supporters under control" is naive and ignorant, just as it is naive and ignorant to expect Obama to contain his angry followers.

Point the third: Clearly you don't know very much about politics or campaigns. However, you will learn a lot in a very short period of time if Obama is elected POTUS. There is no such thing as purity in politics. So, in spite of Obama's public messages of unity and change, if he is elected -- and that is a big if at the moment -- it will be intriguing to watch the rose colored glasses start coming off among his young disciples. Where will you direct your anger then? At yet another strong woman?

Point the fourth: Calling the Clintons your "enemy" is telling of a very immature attitude that seems divorced from real life. It does far more damage to Obama's chances than it does to hurt/wound the Clintons or their supporters.

That you don't see this says much about the narrow-minded obsession of Obama's supporters - almost to the level of cult devotion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 05/10/2008

Umm.. no :) Obama didn't bring up ANYTHING specific. He just said he was having a "chit chat" about these things with her campaign. Which only means they are in contact about these, and probably other, issues.

David Axelrod said, POINT BLANK, that there is NO situation that could arise where the Obama campaign would settle Clinton's debts.

Period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 AM on 05/13/2008

The Clinton campaign says flat-out that no discussion of paying her campaign debts has taken place. What an insult! How demeaning that Obama would even raise such a thing. We Clinton supporters have been responding to her endlessly when contributions have been asked for, and will continue to do so "til the last dog dies", as they say...

If you Obama people think you can buy her off, you're crazy. She's in it to win it. Period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 05/10/2008
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