Clinton Supporters Send Last-Ditch Obama Attack Emails To Supers

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First Posted: 05- 9-08 10:54 AM   |   Updated: 05-17-08 05:12 AM

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As the Democratic primary nears its long-awaited conclusion, undecided superdelegates have been drowned under a sudden deluge of angry, sometimes vicious emails from Hillary Clinton supporters urging them to not fall in line behind Barack Obama.

The letter writing campaign picked up steam late Thursday evening when several superdelegates confirmed that a coordinated effort had been launched, apparently independent of Clinton's campaign, to raise last-minute concerns about Obama's candidacy and present the specter of voter defections should the Illinois Democrat become the nominee.

In more than dozen messages sent yesterday evening and shared with The Huffington Post, supporters of Clinton emailed a laundry list of political and exceedingly personal attacks on Obama's candidacy, including criticisms of his prior associations and claims that he, not Clinton, had played the race card. The letters underscore the high emotional pitch of the late stage Democratic primary as well as the utter conviction among many supporters of both campaigns that their candidate is solely worthy of the nomination.

Such campaigns targeting superdelegates have mostly been avoided out of fear that the party officials would react negatively to outside pressure. And at least four superdelegates on the receiving end of yesterday's emails suggested that they did more harm to Clinton's cause than good.

In one exchange, Donna Brazille, Al Gore's campaign manager and a stalwart of the Democratic Party, responded with frustration to a writer's threats of defection. "Honestly, this is the 9th email today," she wrote before 8:00 pm. "So I believe you're ready to not only destroy Roe versus Wade, voting rights, civil liberties and civil rights. Perhaps adding trillions more to the deficits through non-stop tax cuts to the wealthy and 100 more years in Iraq. Yes, please join Rush and McCain asap. The train has left. Catch it."

The Clinton campaign did not return a request for comment as to whether it was behind the email campaign. One author said that she was responding not to the senator's staff, but to commenters on the blog of Taylor Marsh, a committed supporter of the New York Democrat whose readers had gotten a hold of a list of email addresses.

"It was a 'spur of the moment' idea brought about by a blog (Taylor Marsh)," explained Shirley Luther, a Texas Democrat who threatened to vote for McCain should Obama be the nominee. "Tonight several of our bloggers came up with the idea of writing the super delegates. Someone on the blog found a list of emails and posted it.... Everything I wrote is the truth about my political background. The exit polls show I am not alone in refusing to vote for Obama and opting to McCain. This probably would not be possible if there was any other Republican running. But there are a lot of moderate Democrats who do respect his service."

[Added Later]: Taylor Marsh denied any involvement in the affair, saying her readers and commenters were responsible for their own actions.

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Luther's email, compared to the nearly dozen provided to The Huffington Post, was mild in tone. Beyond threatening defection from the party, authors attacked Obama for his relationship with Reverend Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers, the unrepentant Weather Underground member who is a Chicago acquaintance of the senator. One writer accused the Illinois Democrat of playing the "race card" against the Clintons -- a proposition most political observers argue is reversed -- while several others called him a misogynist.

"How can we elect someone who has never accomplished anything, refuses to take stands on issues, befriends anti-American terrorists, attends a church for 20 years with Wright, and denies ever hearing anything controversial, and then stages a *public fight* so he can finally denounce him, takes credit for bills in the Senate that he had nothing to do with, and is propped up as the candidate of change??" wrote one Democrat.

Added another: "Obama, in my opinion, will NOT survive the general election against McCain. But even if he does, he will be beholden to the old-time politics, politicians and bundling interests that raised him up to where he is. It's not new, better politics. It's a sales job that's been done by the old power guards... Look at the presidential loser's club that has lined up behind Obama: Walter Mondale, George McGovern, Gary Hart, Ted Kennedy, Bill Richardson, Chris Dodd, and John Kerry. Agents of change? Hope, Unity? A new way to do politics?"

At least two other party insiders wrote the Huffington Post expressing concern over the scope ("I've received emails like this for weeks but tonight it started in mass) and negativity of some of the Obama attacks, including one red-state Democrat:

"I spent my entire life in the two reddest states in the entire U.S. so please excuse me if I fail to discern the nuances of the arguments sent my way this evening in what appears to be an orchestrated campaign to intimidate the remaining unpledged delegates by threatening to leave the party and vote for a third Bush term if I and others like me don't vote for Sen. Clinton," wrote the exasperated superdelegate. "I have been uncommitted throughout this campaign because I wanted to see how the candidates performed in a variety of settings. I am proud of them both. But I am horrified by this effort to threaten votes for McCain if super delegates don't vote for Sen. Clinton. I have received hundreds of emails from both sides - but I can say without exception that I have not received a single email from an Obama supporter that threatened a vote for McCain if I didn't support Sen. Obama. You really ought to be ashamed."

UPDATE:

Phil Singer, a spokesman for Clinton, emails to say that the campaign knows nothing about the emails. Meanwhile, two readers write in to say they saw the campaign being coordinated at the friendly Clinton website Hillaryis44.org, as well as the blog page on Clinton's own website.

As the Democratic primary nears its long-awaited conclusion, undecided superdelegates have been drowned under a sudden deluge of angry, sometimes vicious emails from Hillary Clinton supporters urging ...
As the Democratic primary nears its long-awaited conclusion, undecided superdelegates have been drowned under a sudden deluge of angry, sometimes vicious emails from Hillary Clinton supporters urging ...
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I'm surprised no one is asking what percentage of Hillary primary voters would vote McCain in a McCain - Hillary GE match up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 05/10/2008
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And, in the reverse scenario, how many blacks would vote for a McCain-Obama ticket?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 05/10/2008

I am an independent who has rarely voted for the democrats, and then always holding my nose. This time, however, I am excited about the Obama candidature. I would not only vote, but contribute money, and campaign for him. That is as long as he doesn’t chose Hillary as his running mate. In that case I would vote Green or for some other third party. I see Hillary as Bush’s equal, in policy, personal style, and dishonesty. With Hillary as Veep if I were President Obama I’d hire a full time food taster to make sure that Hillary “Lady Macbeth” Clinton wasn’t poisoning my food. I wouldn’t put anything past her in her vicious drive to be president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 05/10/2008
- mabelle55 I'm a Fan of mabelle55 2 fans permalink

In political parlance we refer to people like you as free-riders. You'll climb on the bandwagon so long as it's in your best personal interests but care nothing for real change. And frankly, as a true Democrat, I'd just as soon you wouldn't cross over to "our" party because you poison it with the opportunistic attitude and sheer contempt you hold for real Democrats.

So, to recap: Don't do us Democrats any "favors." Stay home or vote for John McCain instead; we don't need your defeatist attitude dragging us down, because basically you're a Republican in drag just looking for an excuse to destroy Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 05/10/2008

Free-rider? because I would prefer to vote for a third party candidate than a lying, opportunistic warmonger like your beloved Hillary? You’re the one who should vote for McCain, because Hillary and McCain have similar policies. Note their moronic gas tax holiday. And her fantasy about nuking Iran out of existence. And Hillary is the one who has consistently undermined Obama’s chances in November by supplying such hateful sound-bites for McCain. I would love to hear anything you could say about Hillary that would indicate that she is truly a democrat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 05/10/2008

I CANNOT wait for BILLARY Clinton to be SHOVED off the political stage -- FOREVER!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 05/10/2008

I second that sentiment!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 05/10/2008
- evekendall I'm a Fan of evekendall 141 fans permalink
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I don't think you are representing Barack Obama and his values very well with statements like that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 05/10/2008
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Don't know why you would.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 05/10/2008
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It's not Obama supporters that have that feeling it's all the enemies of the clintons past and present. get it correct they have had people wanting them gone for a long time before Barack came along and did what no one else, dem or repub, could do before.

He himself thought that because she was in the race he would most likely would not have been in the position he is in. However, his message and campaign was FRESH, NEW and offered a CHANGE from the old worn out guard, clintons was the same OLD recycled campaign representing the old worn out guard. He INSPIRED and MOTIVATED people to get involved CAPTURED INDEPENDENTS, NEW and party SWITCH voters who also are INSPIRED and MOTIVATED. Where she attracted those that could only see the name brand and what ever that brought to them.

Not even the name brand, in a name brand time, could excite NEW people into the process, not that they wanted them.

So don't blame Obama for showing up and EXCITING the voters and scaring the hell out the clintons and the republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 05/10/2008
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And you and people like you are the reason we can't take it anymore. I have been called every name in the book by the commenters on Huffington Post. I am now an independent. No more money to the DNC from this post graduate woman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 05/10/2008
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You're actually going to change your actions bases on what someone you don't even know says on a blog.
A bit oversensitive, no?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 05/11/2008
- mabelle55 I'm a Fan of mabelle55 2 fans permalink

This is so representative of why so many Clinton supporters are so angry and disenchanted. It's a damned shame that a large, ignorant and unruly bunch of Obama followers have taken over the blogosphere, with so little to add in the way of articulate, educated opinions or facts.

And it really does far more damage to Obama and his chances than it does to Clinton and her supporters. The fact that people like you can't see this indicates an immaturity, ignorance and level of obsession with Obama that is close to cult-like devotion.

If Obama loses the nomination and the GE, it will be in great part because of individuals like you and the extreme levels of hatred/animosity, ignorance, and immaturity. I seriously wish you and other hateful Obama supporters would realize this before this election really does become a train wreck.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 05/10/2008

You know, it's funny. I see these idiotic posts by supposed "Obama Supporters"

Then I suddenly see a bunch of condemnations by supposed "HRC" or "McCain" supporters.

Amazing how the timing works. Why don't you folks look up "Agent Provacateur"

I have yet to EVER hear anything crass from an Obama supporter, and I have personally met at least 200+, from many states, and of all ages. Sure, there have been exasperated posts on his forums, but he doesn't police them.. the supporters do (only lewd comments are removed). As opposed to HRC's blog, where I have repeatedly tried to get some sort of dialog going only to either be shot down VICIOUSLY, or to have my posts deleted in seconds, administratively.

No, I'd say that there is a WORLD of difference between HRC and BHO. And I think the world is with Barack. I certainly am, and it is really encouraging to see all of this hysteria and silliness.. it means we are winning.

:-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 AM on 05/13/2008
- bennofs I'm a Fan of bennofs 3 fans permalink

I think it would have been a much better idea to wear skirts instead of pantsuits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 05/10/2008
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Bwrrrrrrrrwrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 05/10/2008
- 111 I'm a Fan of 111 34 fans permalink

huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 05/10/2008

Back in '06 or earlier, when the decision was made to give '08 a shot, there should have been a plan to check out Jenny Craig, Nutri-System or a stomach stitch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 05/10/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 98 fans permalink

Haven't read too many comments on Obama's wardrobe,seems that women can never escape the scrutiny and commentary of their bodies no matter how accomplished they are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 05/10/2008
- Zanti I'm a Fan of Zanti 25 fans permalink
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Welcome to our planet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 05/10/2008
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Your choice of garb is of no interest to me, frankly. I'll just take your word that you look better in skirts and wonder why I'm supposed to care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 05/10/2008
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I posted this last night, but bears repeating.

I am sick and tired of democrats saying they are going to vote for McCain over the primary candidate of their choice. Hillary people, it's time to get over it and get on board the party. Yes, I voted for Hillary in the primary, and yes, I WILL vote for Obama in the GE. Trying to punish Obama or his supporters by throwing your vote away helps nothing and in actuality punishes all of us.

This is especially disturbing to me to hear women saying this. I supported Hillary as a feminist, but I'm not foolish enough to think McCain will be "OK" or "not that bad".

FACT: McCain is anti-choice and wants to overturn Roe v. Wade

FACT: McCain supports abstinence only programs and is against sex education and safe-sex information for teenagers and young adults

FACT: McCain voted against the Fair Pay Act

Don't just take my word for it, here's Planned Parenthood's action site:
http://www.ppaction.org/ppvotes/08_antichoicemccain.html

Let's not forget the four Supreme Court justices who will need to be replaced during the next four years and all the federal judgeships the Senate is holding up waiting for a democrat to take office.

If you somehow rationalize that a vote for McCain, or writing in Hillary, is not your problem, then you are truly foolish. We have to come together and unite for the party!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 05/10/2008
- 23000Days I'm a Fan of 23000Days 119 fans permalink
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A large number of those "Democrats" Who'd vote for McSame, arent democrats, they're repug Hillary supporters!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 05/10/2008
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It is a travesty that any Dems would support Mc Cain because they have hard feelings over this primary fight. This is why I have been hoping Hillary would drop out when the math seemed obvious 2 months ago. And look what's happened.
1. Hillary has turned off many Democrats by her campaign tactics.
2. Hillary has turned off many Democrats from voting for Obama as a result of her tearing him down to stay int he race.
3. She is farther away from the nomination than before in terms of catching Obama.
4. Resources have been diverted for the purpose of tearing each other down and not at Mc Cain.
5. There is less time to heel.
6. The Clinton legacy is further tarnished.

Thanks for nothing Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 05/10/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

You can't blame Clinton for people not voting for Obama. You can only blame him and his supporters. Contrary to popular belief, Clinton supporters are not stupid. They can make up their own minds and they will. You can lambast them, insult them, or patronize them...won't matter. They will make up their own minds just as you have.

I am a Clinton supporter. I will vote for Obama but don't know if I will support him yet. I KNOW I will vote against McCain. That may be as good as you get...my vote...not my support, not my money, not my time, not my trust, not my hope. But you will get my vote because I will not give it to McCain.

Be happy, say thank you, and shut up already.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 05/10/2008

Yeah real woman for Hillary. Your going to support a man who will support the Republican platform of no abortion EVEN in the case of rape or insect.
Yeah Hillary your supporters are REAL women.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 05/10/2008
- cleffnote I'm a Fan of cleffnote 6 fans permalink
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No, not voting for McCain but leaving the DNC. Don't want to be associated with the new Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 05/10/2008

Has she no shame? Oh...silly question


Obama '08 wooooohooooooo

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 05/10/2008
- mrmemory I'm a Fan of mrmemory 2 fans permalink

I think this will cheer you all up:

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/mothersday/?sc=2453

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 05/10/2008

Billary, come on now........do U really want to destroy because U didn't win...is that a code of skull and bones?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 05/10/2008
- evekendall I'm a Fan of evekendall 141 fans permalink
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We need to make it clear to Clinton supporters that this race has never been about gender.

Barack Obama/Kathleen Sebelius 08!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 05/10/2008

True. No problem with a good woman candidate its just that HRC is neither.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 05/10/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 98 fans permalink

Intersting you make that remark just as someone said this has has never been about gender!.In fact too man peopley find seekig power unfeminine >I never hear negative remarks about men 'seeking power", it is just assumed to be natural..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 05/10/2008
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I posted this earlier:

I was unffamiliar with her last month, but if you spend a moment looking at Ms Sebilius's record, she's a real, died in the wool Democrat, governing a repug state for a second term and doing it quite handily.
She's up on infrastructure, jobs, education, environment, healt care and fiscal responsibility (trimed 80M off the states budget, improved schools and gave state workers raises). She down on war, NAFTA and corporatism.
She is capable amd ready to be an excellent VP.

That said, we all know that at this moment in history, we need a woman for VP. This will help include the feminist factionof the party (Very Important this year!).

Jim Webb would be an excellent choice, but the timing couldn't be worse! Wesley Clark is an admirable third, but I'm not sure we want to be that closely related to militarism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 05/10/2008
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Of course it has. Why else would the female bashing and disgusting verbage on Huffington Post be so intense by the commenters? Don't tell me it hasn't been about gender. Just like it hasn't been about the black vote. BS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 05/10/2008
- Zanti I'm a Fan of Zanti 25 fans permalink
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Um, "verbiage."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 05/11/2008

HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY HILLARY !!! " YOU ARE AMERICA'S MOM "
Michigan Mothers For Hillary !!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 05/10/2008
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Mommy dearest?? She's NOT my Mom or anyone else's who I know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 05/10/2008
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I don't want her to be MY mom.

My mom would never race bait to win, she'd never sign a PLEDGE about something and then go back on her word, and she sure as hell wouldn't stay with a cheating man for 20+ years.

She can be your mom, but NEVER mine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 05/10/2008
- 111 I'm a Fan of 111 34 fans permalink

Well, she is a mother of sorts

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 05/10/2008

My mother (and my father) was a civil servant her entire life, with a high school education. My mother was a democrat with a capital D. My mother taught me some important values:

Treat all people, regardless of their background, with respect

Tell the truth

Fight for the underdog and underrepresented

Always do what is right

I sure wish Hillary had stuck to these basic principles. I would be more inclined to wish her a "Happy Mother's Day"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 05/10/2008
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 391 fans permalink
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Think of the stupidity of the concept that bitter Clintonistas would vote for McCain in the fall, not to mention the fake priciples that had them backing a Democrat in the first place.

The dummying down of Americans has reached a worrisome level. These morons can't even begin to see the big picture, why they backed a Democrat in the first place. Now, caught up in the win at all cost mentality of the Clinton hubris, they make utter fools of themselves by cutting off their noses to spite their faces. Methinks they are deep down Republicans in sheeps' clothing.

What is the definition of hubris? It is someone whose sense of self confidence, arrogance and self pride often invites fatal retribution. It is a tactic of humiliating an opponent to make onesself appear more important.

Hillary and her supporters epitomize the very definition of this term.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 05/10/2008

Interesting that one of the charges frequently leveled against supporters of Senator Obama is that they are "mindless cultists". Seems to me that ANY Clinton supporter who would vote for McCain fits that definition. Either had no, or abandons any principles they might have had, upon the demise of their "leader". If that is not cult worship I don't know what is.

And to be fair, KarateKid, I have seen more than a few supposed Obama supporters on this site making similar political suicide death threats.

The difference in values, philosphies and the impacts of a Obama (or even Clinton) vs. McCain presidency on our economy, chances for healthcare reform, change in foreign policy, Supreme Court and federal judicial nominations is so crystal clear that anyone (either Obama suporter who would not vote for Clinton, or Clinton supporter who would not vote for Obama) who DID vote for McCain was either disingenuous in the reasons for their support or probably fits a classic definition of some mental disorder.

Not to be rude, but any Pro-Choice woman (I am a man so I admit it doesn't affect me in the same personal way) who would thus vote for McCain is not just cutting off her nose to spite her face, but I think rather cutting off her face to spite her nose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 05/10/2008
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Dear God in heaven, agentprovakatur, thank you! It isn't easy putting this thing in a nutshell where it needs to go in order to be sanely dealt with, but you, FINALLY, have done it! The last line? Patent that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 05/11/2008
- jupitor I'm a Fan of jupitor 2 fans permalink

Hillary Clinton has palorized America so bad, with dirty tricks and under handed tactics---------that her supporters and voters thinks that gives them the right to pull the same filth,dirty tactics and trick, lies and deciet as did their nomanee! it's a sad state of mind, because I think Hillary Clinton would have done well if she hadn't gone with Mark Penn, wolfson and the rest of the wolfs that are so dirty in thier own right. This very well might be the end of the Dirty, Decietful,Unlawful power players in Washington D.C. If any thing in 8 years we may have a changed face in washington, who will than want another clean fresh candidate who does not represent The Machine of Politics any more! So this very well might be the complete end of Hillary and BIgpolitics as she knows it. It may mean she will not have a prayer in 2012. We may be not only seeing History made of a Black/White President, but a different better america. It is truely exciteing folks. So lets stay on track here for Nov. and let Hillary just leave gracefully as she can at this point!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 05/10/2008
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Now, of course, we want to hear your wisdom regarding black voters who promise to abandon the Dem Party should Hillary win.

Tell all. We're waiting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 05/10/2008
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I'm with KareteKid up there, to the last syllable, but I feel the same way every time I hear an African American political spokesman make this same suicidal pronouncement, even though I know why they feel they have to say it.

I speak to my TV screen, uselessly, "Go ahead--but thousands of your sons are in Iraq, bro, and what you're saying is, you don't care about that and never did. You sound exactly like an unAmerican, unDemocratic Hillary-ite, and you should be ashamed."

Thanks for the prompt--been wanting to say this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 05/11/2008
- truthyguy I'm a Fan of truthyguy 42 fans permalink

Wait! Wait! Quiet - I think I hear something. Listen. Hear it.

YES - IT'S THE FAT LADY. AND SHE IS SINGING:

"Ding Dong! Ding Dong! The Witch is dead.
Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 05/10/2008

An Obama supporter here.

Why do people like you find it necessary to make these unnecessary negative digs at Hillary and her supporters? Are we not trying to unite the Democratic party?

Well, you must be a Republican trying to rile the Clinton supporters into voting for McCain. Get lost!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 05/10/2008
- truthyguy I'm a Fan of truthyguy 42 fans permalink

"Well, you must be a Republican trying to rile the Clinton supporters into voting for McCain."

Perfect comment. Fits right in with the HRC method of campaigning:
1. Derrogatory.
2. No factual basis.
3. Reaches a conclusion on a false supposition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 05/10/2008
- Zanti I'm a Fan of Zanti 25 fans permalink
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"Why do people like you find it necessary to make these unnecessary negative digs at Hillary and her supporters?"

It's all they know how to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 05/10/2008
- cleffnote I'm a Fan of cleffnote 6 fans permalink
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thank you going2ireland, and this is precisely why we are having the split from the DNC, we can't stomach the thought of having this type of person in the party, if this is how they are going to act. The Democrats are going to have a tough time digging out from all of this trash talking. Glad I won't be one of them anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 05/10/2008
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going2ireland, I have seen this idiot before, he's pasting this identical post everywhere. He is a repug operative, a boy handmaiden of Rush Analpolyp with a collar and leash.

I suspect the most devisive, irrational of the supposed "Clinton supporters" of being similar agents of would-be chaos.

No Democrat is going to vote against a century of progress, for Bush III. Some "people" may do that. But they aren't Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 05/11/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 98 fans permalink

it's not about gender, eh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 05/10/2008
- Zanti I'm a Fan of Zanti 25 fans permalink
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Why, whatever gave you that impression?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 05/10/2008

The brilliant political strategy of "If I can't get my way, I'm taking my ball and going home!"

These people have the emotional maturity of a 5 year old.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 05/10/2008
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No, if I can't have it my way I will let you play with my exploding ball set for August...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 05/10/2008
- Zanti I'm a Fan of Zanti 25 fans permalink
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Well, now, let's not be so hard on those black voters who insist on defecting should Hillary get the nomination.

You WERE talking about them, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 05/10/2008

The road ahead 2: The moment is now. The faction is mobilized. The time for self-identification and action is at hand. This path will enhance Hillary's position regardless of the outcome of the nominating process and will immediately start the process in motion of real long term change.

All that is required is that the faction understand its purpose and role. Its purpose is to take control of the party based on Clintonian philosophical principles. Starting today, it can begin to assert itself. Hillary must remain in the nominating process thru the Convention, however, it is time to back off direct confrontation with the Obama campaign and to work on the 435 Congressional districts and the 100 Senate seats.

Any district or state that voted for Hillary should be well positioned to field a candidate for these offices, which may be the current candidate if that candidate is supporting Hillary, or an opponent selected and supported if not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 05/10/2008
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Problem with your plan... when a dictator is deposed, they are usually jailed and then executed. The clintons have made enough enemies over the years and the display of their behavior in this campaign has exposed them to EVERYONE and their enemies OLD and NEW will take the opportunity to finish them for good...

MANY of them are powerful people, repubs and dems, that have been waiting for a time such as this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 05/10/2008

Only problem with your theory is that Hillary keeps winning the elections. Even in Obama's backyard, Indiana.

But the road ahead is a longer term perspective:

Stay in the campaign, but only positive, if Obama is to be, so be it.

Do not look for McCain as alternative - there is nothing there.

Start fielding new candidates this election cycle where Hillary districts are currently represented by candidates who are not supporting Hillary.

Maintain this process 2 election cycles and we will have control of the party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 05/10/2008
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You sound like you're salivating- nothing like a good old fashioned lynching, eh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 AM on 05/11/2008
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Also take note of FAKE NEWS, now on the attack, and no longer trying to help her, the lethal injection is starting from the repub side and the dems are quietly disemboweling them.

Not a pretty picture but like she said, can't take the heated kitchen sink upside the head, you should have not thrown it. well it was paraphrased.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 05/10/2008

Agreed: exhibit A of fake news: yesterday's WSJ article on Clinton divorce from Dems. Don't believe it for a moment.

If nothing else, this primary has demonstrated that Clinton voters are in the strongest position to take immediate (within 1-2 election cycles) control of Democratic Party.

This in nothing more than continuation of the work of DLC that brought the Clintons into the national picture in the first place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 05/10/2008
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Well, well, look at all the ditto heads here this morning. Know why Rush refers to you as ditto heads? LOL. You figure it out, morons, if you can remove your heads from your crotches for a moment.

As for Hillary support staff, they know the end is near and it must be frustrating, knowing that going negative will result in the opposite reaction, to drive undecideds to Obama. This is too funny; they're 25 million in debt, owe people huge amounts of money, don't pay their bills on time.....sounds like Republican accounting principles.

And still they have the hubris to tell people she is the best qualified. Notice how she's trying to attract the uneducated white vote? That's because the act didn't play with educated, intelligent white people.

If it looks like a Republican, talks like a Republican, attacks like a Republican...........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 05/10/2008
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