Hillary's Chances: Growing Chorus Says It's Not Going To Happen

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First Posted: 05- 9-08 04:28 PM   |   Updated: 05-17-08 05:12 AM

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The chorus from major news outlets saying Hillary Clinton's candidacy is almost impossible is growing louder as the Clintons continue to push on. The AP reports on the nine superdelegates Barack Obama picked up today. Clinton picked up one. This morning, ABC declared that according to their delegate tallies, Obama had won more superdelegate support than Clinton for the first time. This afternoon, AP's tally showed Obama within half a superdelegate of Clinton.

When asked about Clinton this morning on NBC and MSNBC, former Democratic contender John Edwards said, "it's very difficult to make the math work." Edwards has yet to make an endorsement.

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AP
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Barack Obama all but erased Hillary Rodham Clinton's once-imposing lead among national convention superdelegates on Friday and won fresh labor backing as elements of the Democratic Party began coalescing around the Illinois senator for the fall campaign.


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ABC News' Karen Travers Reports: For the first time this campaign season, Barack Obama has surpassed Hillary Clinton's support among superdelegates, according to the ABC News delegate estimate.


John Edwards on NBC and MSNBC
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The former presidential candidate told interviewers on NBC and MSNBC that Barack Obama will probably top the Democratic ticket this fall.

Hillary Clinton has said that she can still win the nomination - but "it's very difficult to make the math work," said Edwards.


The chorus from major news outlets saying Hillary Clinton's candidacy is almost impossible is growing louder as the Clintons continue to push on. The AP reports on the nine superdelegates Barack Obam...
The chorus from major news outlets saying Hillary Clinton's candidacy is almost impossible is growing louder as the Clintons continue to push on. The AP reports on the nine superdelegates Barack Obam...
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- likeicare I'm a Fan of likeicare 8 fans permalink

The Clintons are nothing more than chewing gum stuck to the bottom of the Democratic Party's shoes.

They should be scraped off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 AM on 05/10/2008

As a staunch Hillary supporter, I am extremely disappointed at the election results. I am heartbroken and in pain. However, I will state this civilly:

If you want my vote, do not ask me for money. I gave over $2000 to Hillary's campaign, and that's it for my financial participation in this election.

If you want my vote, do not ask me to volunteer. I volunteered for Hillary, and am too exhausted to volunteer for a candidate I do not care for.

If you want my vote, do not ask me to put a sign in my yard, wear a t-shirt or otherwise act as if I am enthusiastic about your candidate. I am many things, but I am not a hypocrite.

If you want my vote, please stop trashing Hillary. She's done more for America than any of you could ever dream of doing.

If you can do these simple things, your candidate has my vote. While I do not like or support your candidate, I am, above all else, a loyal Democrat. I'm sure if you even tried to do what I've suggested, your candidate would receive many more votes from those who supported Hillary, don't care for your candidate, but care even less for Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 AM on 05/10/2008

This is a legitimate and intelligent request. I hope Obama supporters take it to heart. Hillary has made great contributions and has been a very strong candidate. At this stage, it would be of great value to the party for the candidates to find peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 05/10/2008

Hillary is an evil, racist opportunist, not a saint. Nothing will change that --however, I as an Obama supporter want you to come over to the right side -- if it means that I stop attacking that wretched woman and her wretched husband so that Obama can get your vote, then mum is the word!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 05/10/2008

I, too, am a staunch Democrat. I reside in NY and voted for Hillary in her Senate campaigns. I have nothing against her personally.

As a lawyer and a citizen, I was turned off by Hillary's refusal to abide by the rules in urging that the FL and MI votes should count after she had said back in October that everybody knew they would not count. Her position here is not only ethically questionable, but also defies logic.

In MI she, alone, left her name on the ballot after she had signed a pledge agreeing not to "participate" in that primary. She then "ran" against "Undecided" and got 55% of the vote. It was nothing like an actual election. It is likely that many voters faced with that ballot voted for Hillary just because hers was the only name on the ballot. Also, it is fair to presume that many voters stayed home because they understood that the votes would not count. The same presumption applies to FL. The fact that no one campaigned in these states also strongly militated against the validity of the results.

If Hillary not only could not abide by the rules of her party's electoral process, but also urge that they be ignored, it was questionable whether she would follow the laws and the Constitution as President.

In these times, in particular, it is imperative that a President follow the laws and the Constitution and not discard them when they seem inconvenient to follow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 AM on 05/10/2008
- richdoll I'm a Fan of richdoll 6 fans permalink

i am a obama supporter i respect you jeffers1961 and welcome your vote for our candidate
i feel for hillary she gave a good fight . she stil deserves the respect of the first lady of our country. and people should give her room to the right thing on her own terms with dignity than is why obama is not pushing her out forceably.the only problem i had with her she thought the rules did not apply to her ..and she ran her campgain and his also which was a turn off. now its time for this country and this party to heal and join with each other to stop john mcain from getting into office weither we are blue white or white working class , blacks, latinos, women etc bashing each other will not do us any good

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 05/10/2008

richdoll...You stated "she stil deserves the respect of the first lady of our country"

From my view, respect is something that is not deserved...it is something to be earned, and once it is earned it can be kept or lost. It is for the reasons you listed after the quoted statement is why she has lost it with me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 05/10/2008

As a fellow democrat I would like to say this.....If you no longer "can" donate time, or money...that is understandable. But, If you no longer "want" to donate time, money or show support for THE DEMOCRATIC nomine...Please STAY HOME!

What makes you think that you ...are any different that any other democrat that is paying attention to this election. You..like many of us have become so involved with "Our individual candidate" (Hilliary or Barack) that you and I alike have sadly lost sight of the BIG PICTURE.

1.Take back the WH.
2. Take this country in a better direction (notice that I did not say new...new is not always better)

I am not going to sit here and kiss you a_s so that you vote for Obama. What ever you decide is on you...you have to live with it...if you feel that you can live with your decision (what ever that is) then more power to you.
Win or loose...I know that I am backing the candidate that I hope can lead this country in a better direction than we've been going

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 05/10/2008
- BOBZILLA I'm a Fan of BOBZILLA 9 fans permalink

Yours is a recurring theme on these and other blogs and boards-

-You lay out a list of requirements which must be met in order for you to vote for a specific candidate (almost always Hillary Clinton).

On its’ face this doesn’t seem to be unreasonable. After all, I tend to choose a candidate based on them meeting certain expectations in terms of policy positions, voting records and personal characteristics.

So, what’s different between us?

My vote is based exclusively on the behaviors of the candidate, while you (and, apparently, a growing number of Hillary Clinton supporters) intend to negotiate with individuals and groups OTHER than the candidate. Your prerequisites are directed at other voters, the media and anonymous people who make anonymous comments on the Internet. I find this preposterous.

Who the Hell do you think you are to barter your vote away, not to a candidate, but to individuals whose behavior of which you disapprove? What a shame that you think so little of your vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 05/10/2008

When one's vote is between two candidates one thinks little of, one doesn't think much of the vote itself. Having said that, I've already stated here and elsewhere that I am a loyal Democrat. We can usually be depended upon to do the right thing and vote for the best candidate....in spite of our revulsion for the candidate's supporters. This is an excellent example.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 05/10/2008

Hillary has had the support of working class whites throughout the campaign, but never in numbers as great as those projected for West Virginia and Kentucky? What does this say about the voters in those states? I would appreciate any input.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 AM on 05/10/2008
- dawlishgal I'm a Fan of dawlishgal 220 fans permalink
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Hillary has pandered to the less educated (especially those who are not strong in math or even arithmetic). She has filled their heads with dreams of glory that were not possible for her to attain once a more appealing candidate came along. Then she instructed her supporters (and a few less than ethical media people --Paul Krugman, for example) to call people who supported Obama "cultists" and "haters" (which is pretty much a self-fulfilling prophecy...for a person who has carefully studied the issues, given the matter a lot of thought, and decided that he/she could no longer support the Clintons, to be called a "hater" by them pretty much makes them hate the Clintons and their squeaky little monron- voices who spew crap like that).

I supported the Clintons through thick and thin. when they were in office. I joined Moveon at the outset when it's sole purpose was to fight the impeachment effort. (Note the gratitude shown by the Clintons now...they are sliming and discrediting Moveon every chance they get). It was only when I noticed their entitled unethical behavior during this campaign that I went back (via the Bernstein bio and other similar things) and reviewed their past behavior through this new prism. I didn't like what I saw in retrsopect either. I lost respect FOR MYSELF for having supported them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 AM on 05/10/2008
- likeicare I'm a Fan of likeicare 8 fans permalink

prcleburne --

Having grown up white, in the segregated South, not too far from where the Jena 6 case played out, let me offer my observations . . . it's kinda like the herd-mentality thing, only reinforced by tribal retaliation.

Whites are supposed to "hate" blacks,and if they show any signs of breaking that "code," they are ostrasized by the white community, often with violent repercussions. Mostly, tho, whites who show any inclinatons of being a "ni**er-lover" are doomed to ridicule and derision within the tribe.

The Clintons (especially Bill) can play this tune very well, indeed, as they've had much practice with it, it seems. They know how to use coded language and hot-button words and phrases -- something that takes little effort once you're properly indoctrinated.

Above all, the Clintons know that the easiet way to gain power over any group is to divide it -- hence, they play on white fears of black men stealing into their childrens' bedrooms, or those of their women, in the dark of night vis-a-vis the infamous 3 a.m. ad, as a way of dividing up the electorate and consolidating their base.

And people fall for it. Why do they fall so particularly hard in WVA & KY? My guess is they're more islolated and entrenched in their beliefs that they really are superior to A-As and nothing's going to change their minds -- only time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 05/10/2008
- VSamuels I'm a Fan of VSamuels 66 fans permalink

Yes, most of what you cite is probably true or mostly true. Yet, the ultimate problem is within the predominately white media which will never engage in an open and mature dialogue; which is carefully crafted with the likes of Limbaugh, Bill O, Beck, Russert, Sowell, Hannity, Scarborough, Ridley, or any other talking head who happens to come forth to merely speak toward the issue from the perspective that there must be something deficient with Obama.

It is the use of power, and it is clearly skewed to making 'race' a problem for blacks, rather than a problem created within the white community that blacks, like Obama are perplexed [by]. Thus, as long as the MSM's contexts that this is Obama's problem, whites can not face up to its racism, and its on-going denial which branches out to re-victimize the victims.

America has a very storied history of blacks speaking out about race and racism, what it does not have are whites speaking out--outside of the comfortable standards, rather those who do speak out tend to run in the opposite and extreme direction of the right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 05/10/2008

I think the best medicine for the racist people left in the country is having to take the pill of a AA being their President -- we've exhausted all less invasive treatments but they haven't worked -- so perhaps shock therapy is the last resort. LOL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 05/10/2008
- Gma11 I'm a Fan of Gma11 12 fans permalink

The people in Appalachia have often been pitted against blacks.

In the objective study of prejudice we find that the "working class" has the most prejudice toward the lower, lower class (statiscially speaking).

For one thing, this group is often one catastrophe away (or three month's of income) from the same circumstances. For another, the working class often does work very, very hard, with little remuneration, and perceives the lower, lower class as benefitting from their own hard work. In reality, most of the lower, lower class does work (it is impossible to support any one else in addition to oneself on minimum wage in the U.S. and remain above the poverty line) and/or spend much time looking for work when they do not have it.

These two subcultural groups have often been competing for whatever "life chances" are available to them in their circumstances.

And politicians have manipulate this dyanamic for decades!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 05/10/2008

These two subcultural groups have often been competing for whatever "life chances" are available to them in their circumstances.
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A good post and very well put.

Hillary Clinton is really scraping the bottom of the barrel by playing this card with all the smooth-talking innuendo of an old-time Dixiecrat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 05/10/2008
- NorVaGal I'm a Fan of NorVaGal 13 fans permalink

This is one reason why I am so disappointed and disgusted with Hillary's campagin. I always thought of her and Bill as champions of the middle and lower socio-economic brackets. I always appreciated the Clintons' hard work for those who were less fortunate than themselves, and their willingness to take on the super-wealthy in order to create more financial equity for all. Now, Hillary and Bill have resorted to pitting various demographics of the population against each other, specially groups who are often the most disadvantaged to begin with, and who usually have the fewest resources to better and defend themselves. These tactics are despicable, in my book. These are not the same Clintons that I previously respected and admired.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 05/10/2008

What is a little disconcerting is that there aren't even more super delegates moving to Obama. What are they waiting for unless they are actually considering throwing their support to Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 AM on 05/10/2008
- dawlishgal I'm a Fan of dawlishgal 220 fans permalink
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Tom Brokaw (if he has any credibility left after saying that the nefarious swifties had no direct connection to the Bush campaign) said that Obama has at least 50 super-delegates lined up, and that the strategy is to reveal them a few at a time. This is what happened after PA, if people will recall.....Hillary expected to be able to announce a lot of super-delegates going to her side , and it just plain didn't happen. Every day since there has been a drip drip drip of a few superdelegates to Obama's camp.

His strategists are SMART.....to reveal them all at once would only rile up the paranoid racist crackpots in the Hillary camp. Just let them crow about their pathetic little victories, scream about the Judases who no longer support her, and then watch the super-delegates go to Obama. That ought to be telling them something, but (judging from the vengeful peabrains that post here), it isn't telling them much.

It seems to me that party higherups have decided that they can't reward Hillary's (and Bill's) divisive behavior by giving her the nomination, no matter what happens now. But the crackpottery of her supporters and the strength of their paranoid ideas of having been cheated (and she has certainly encouraged that kind of "thinking" ) is such that the party must tread carefully not to make them behave even goofier than they already are behaving.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 05/10/2008
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I think you're right about not wanting to get folks riled up. It would definitely happen if things happened too quickly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 05/10/2008
- likeicare I'm a Fan of likeicare 8 fans permalink

tobetter --

They're politicians -- being weak-kneed is in their DNA, apparently.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 05/10/2008
- Mesaywar I'm a Fan of Mesaywar 3 fans permalink

They're waiting for June 4th.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 05/10/2008

the superdelegates are waiting for spines -- hopefully they will get them soon!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 05/10/2008
- lorisc I'm a Fan of lorisc 4 fans permalink

Nine in one day is a pretty good day. The sd's have moved towards Obama at a significant clip since Super Tuesday. He has closed her 100 sd lead since then. We'll see more come over the next several days, more after 5-20 when Obama will have a majority of the pledged delegates and the remainder will declare after all the primaries are over on June 3.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 05/10/2008

The most appalling statements made by Hillary Clinton during this campaign are:
1. If Iran attacks Israel, we would obliterate them ( no thanks. the Israelis can do it themselves. )
2. She would be the better candidate in the general election because she has the support of " hard -working" working class whites. ( are blacks not hard-working ? ). This is a sign of her desperation, that she would resort to racist, war mongering rhetoric.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 AM on 05/10/2008
- nootrope I'm a Fan of nootrope 17 fans permalink
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where did she say blacks weren't hardworking? I must have missed that. link?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 05/10/2008
- uclafan I'm a Fan of uclafan 16 fans permalink
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I think what prcleburne means is that by stating 'hard working' all of the time, Hillary discounts how hard the rest of us work. I know that I work very hard and am offended by the words 'middle class' etc. Here in California the standard of living is so high that we work hard too-- two/three jobs sometimes-- and it is offensive when we are discounted.

BTW - if the elections were held in California today, polls show that Hillary would lose - she and her supporters here are in real political jeapordy. We had no problems voting for a Republican Governor who showed he could get along with others in the classroom and Boxer and Feinstein will not have the political clout that they once had.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 05/10/2008
- Aleka4 I'm a Fan of Aleka4 47 fans permalink

She said SHE has the hardworking and the whites. Which means she is leaving him with the blacks, who are apparently not hardworking, bc/ the hardworking are HER demo.

It was a totally racist ploy which has apparently set loose every KKK freak in the blogosphere - she just made it socially acceptable to be racist to them. She said it, no one is really smacking her down for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 05/10/2008

I didn't say that she did, I was questioning whether it was implied. Considering the Clinton's record vis a vis civil rights, I doubt she really believes it. However, in her desperation to become president, it may have been her intention to suggest it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 05/10/2008
- VSamuels I'm a Fan of VSamuels 66 fans permalink

Thanks for speaking about the 'urban myth' of America's so called great friend in Israel. How logical is it for this insipid MSM to chant that a non-nuclear power is such a threat to Israel which possesses 200+ nuclear weapons, that they would need the US to provide some undefined nuclear umbrella over them? What nonsense.

Israel doesn't need or require US military power, as it could render any of its Arab and Moslem neighbors vast waste lands in a matter of hours, if not minutes. What Israel lacks is oil and food, it basically depends on the US for economic aid---that's right, we are their source of money, and we have been since 1948, when we and the Brits took land that never belonged to the disapora-challenged so-called Jews that brings us forward to 9/11.

Although, this land wrestled from the peoples of Palestine holds great biblical significance; it has very little known natural resources or ability to produce for its inhabitants; and without the US, Israel would most likely be far more aggressive towards its neighbors. In essence, US policy is to bribe them to be 'good' to some, although they've demonstrated that this money doesn't extend towards the Palestianian people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 05/10/2008
- dawlishgal I'm a Fan of dawlishgal 220 fans permalink
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Thanks for the link....this is a great piece. I wish I could think that it would help the old feminists to straighten out their thinking, but I don't think it will work. They will just say that Hillary is only doing what she has to do to win, and that--if she does win--some inner core of decency will pop up and we will all be happy she won. A tip to people who still want to waste time discussing politics with these people: FORGET IT. They have all disabled their moral compasses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 05/10/2008
- SnapShots I'm a Fan of SnapShots 45 fans permalink
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Republican schmublican. Liberal schmiberal.

How much time and energy we waste putting each other in labeled boxes instead of finding our commonalities and working together toward mutual goals.

In my tiny California mountain community, we have spent the past four years with co-residents and county government working on solutions to community planning, growth planning, sustainability and economic renewal in a region which has suffered from economic blight for decades. Not once at any of these meetings, month after month, year after year, have political affiliations ever been discussed. It doesn't matter. Nobody cares. We meet, study and make decisions by majority vote. We volunteer our time and energy to improve our communities, knowing some projects we are working on may not be finished in our lifetimes but they will shape the future for our grandchildren's grandchildren.

If every one of us would put even a small amount of energy into any local community effort, our country would transform.

This is the kind of democracy that Obama brings and it's a beautiful thing.

People outside the U.S. see us simply as Americans, not republicans or democrats. So should we. We have a lot of problems that need fixing. Let's stop the bickering and get to work.

BTW, I'm a 46-year-old white American male. During Bush's final days at the White House, I'll be standing outside with a bullhorn shouting, "Get out of our house." Please join me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 AM on 05/10/2008
- tene I'm a Fan of tene permalink
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thats great about your community. hopefully through barack's leadership we can all have communities and dare i say, a country, like that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 AM on 05/10/2008
- Mij13 I'm a Fan of Mij13 74 fans permalink
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I'm also a 46 year old white male who lives in a large city in Cal, and I feel the same way. The thing I look forward to most is Barack's great talent for unifying; something we need desperately now. Also knowing that he has not been bought and paid for by the corporate world, as the present White House resident was. Everyone who cares about our country's future should know by now we don't get anything accomplished with divisiveness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 AM on 05/10/2008
- Tropiholic I'm a Fan of Tropiholic 20 fans permalink

Wonderful post snapshots! Just think of how much we could accomplish if many or even some communities adopted your practices. It would be amazing. I hope Obama inspires people to make some positive changes. He certainly makes me feel optimistic, something I haven't felt in the 7 years of Bush hell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 05/10/2008

Great post. The hope for a little unity is what has set Barack apart from Hillary. This is a tall order on a national basis, but Barack is the first leader in a long time to have the skills to make it a possibility.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 05/10/2008

jackathol - it's a tall order to take it national -- I have to disagree so often an idea that started small ends up working on a much larger scale. Sen. Obama started this approach of community organizing getting people to work together regardless of the backgrounds, race and now it's propelled him to the national stage using those same skills and ideas. Again, what he started in a few communities in IL is now working in hundreds of communities -- His 1.5 million grass root support base has proved it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 05/10/2008

What Hillary knows is that the nation healing messiah with the third world name is the second coming of George McGovern.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 AM on 05/10/2008

You are a fool. Why don't you find out what is really happening, use your writing skills for something positive. Try and help her gets votes insted of causing her to lose votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 AM on 05/10/2008
- Titonwan I'm a Fan of Titonwan 7 fans permalink

Really! It's time to move on and push pops out of the way for a very trying first couple of years. This isn't going to be pretty (the situation we find ourselves in), but we can do it with hard work and personal sacrifice. I know some people aren't going to change their views, but chances are they sit on their ass and gripe anyways, so it doesn't matter. I wouldn't want to inherit this mess we're in now. God bless Barack in his battle to whip this country into something we can be proud of- again!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 AM on 05/10/2008
- Tropiholic I'm a Fan of Tropiholic 20 fans permalink

Apollo did you choose your name? I didn't. Mine was given to me at birth. Get a real issue to discuss. People are sick to death of this superficial juvenile crap you're spewing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 AM on 05/10/2008
- mick7191 I'm a Fan of mick7191 36 fans permalink
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Obama is no McGovern like McCain is no Nixon. If all the Democrats that voted over the last 6 months show up and can bury the interparty partisanship, Obama will win handily. That is the thing I don't understand about the Clinton supporters is that they seem to feel that Clinton was entitled to be president. No one is entitled to be president. The real fear here is change. I like Snap Shot's explanation of how his town works. The thought of non-partisanship and actually working together to solve this country's problems is intoxicating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 05/10/2008
- Gma11 I'm a Fan of Gma11 12 fans permalink

Apollo, I think you are about 3,000 years in the past.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 05/10/2008
- VSamuels I'm a Fan of VSamuels 66 fans permalink

Good grief. One minute Obama's enemies declare he is Jeremiah Wright, and the next minute they declare he is some ole rich white guy from days gone past.

Really! Make up your inane minds, your flip flopping is below the belt!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 05/10/2008
- JiminNC I'm a Fan of JiminNC 283 fans permalink
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Five Stages Of Grief

Denial and Isolation.
At first, we tend to deny the loss has taken place, and may withdraw from our usual social contacts. This stage may last a few moments, or longer.

Anger.
The grieving person may then be furious at the person who inflicted the hurt (even if she's dead), or at the world, for letting it happen. He may be angry with himself for letting the event take place, even if, realistically, nothing could have stopped it.

Bargaining.
Now the grieving person may make bargains with God, asking, "If I do this, will you take away the loss?"

Depression.
The person feels numb, although anger and sadness may remain underneath.

Acceptance.
This is when the anger, sadness and mourning have tapered off. The person simply accepts the reality of the loss.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 AM on 05/10/2008

I was thinking this too . . . that she has moved into the anger stage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 AM on 05/10/2008
- uclafan I'm a Fan of uclafan 16 fans permalink
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Elisabeth Kubler-Ross would be so proud...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 05/10/2008
- Softnsweet I'm a Fan of Softnsweet 9 fans permalink
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I could just cry. I cannot believe the bitterness. If the shoe was on the other foot. I would hope that Obama would leave the race. Hillary staying in the race is dividing the party and she knows it. Have you listened to MSM? Hillary is acting as if she is Rambo, the lone survivor and everyone is picking on her. Do you know who suffers? Obama does. I don't care who is asking her to leave, he gets the blame.

People are saying that there is going to be a blow out in West Virgina and Kentucky. Do you know why? Obama is not campaigning in West Virgina or Kentucky. He is letting her have it. Check it out for yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 AM on 05/10/2008

If the shoe was on the other foot Clinton supporters would've been hinting that Obama drop out for the past couple of months. They would've been clamoring for the last few weeks. And by now would be demanding it. Saying in effect who is he to still be damaging our nominee?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 AM on 05/10/2008

The truly disgusting thing, and this is classic Clinton tactics, she knows she's being destructive with her ranting and race baiting aimed directly at Kentucky and WV's "low information voters". She thumbs her nose at the Democratic party every hour she stays in this race.

Trust me if the situation was reversed this thing would have been over a month ago.

Sickening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 AM on 05/10/2008

Funny

The ads in Oregon on the part of both Senator Clinton and Senator Obama are dignified and low-key. Hers still makes the case that she should be the nominee. His says Obama. President. He is focusing more on McCain. So they are both looking at different things. I get the impression that they are both giving her some time to make a graceful exit AND allow the voters in the remaining primaries to cast their votes.

Some pundit brought up that it would look terrible to have her withdraw now and have Senator Obama lose terribly in WV and KY.

Maybe she is trying to ease her supporters into the fold.

Is it possible that the two candidates have already tacitly agreed to do what is best for the party, and that it is only the supporters who are continuing to hurl rocks?

I like to think the candidates are above the strategists who are behind them.

Anything is possible. Just sayin...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 AM on 05/10/2008
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I disagaree with those pundits. I think it would make Appalachia look bad, not Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 05/10/2008

With each passing day Hillary becomes more the unwanted guest who won't take the hint (the repeated hints) and just leave. If she doesn't have the grace to bow out, the Supers must do it for her. For the sake of our nominee. For the sake of the party. For the sake of all of us who are sick and tired of her divisive gutter sniping negativity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 AM on 05/10/2008
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The fact remains, Hillary is bringing Obama's ratings down. They will hate him based upon what she is doing. She wants McCain to get it so she can run in 2012. She cannot wait 8 years if Obama gets it. She will be 69. I just cannot believe what she is doing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 AM on 05/10/2008

She won't even get reelected to her senate seat, in 2012. Trust me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 05/10/2008
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Can anyone tell me the last Democratic presidential nominee that received the majority of White votes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 AM on 05/10/2008

See Art Levine's blog , Huffington Post , 5-8-08.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 AM on 05/10/2008
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to HRC supporters: I don't know if you started out being bitter and angry and perhaps you saw that aspect of your personality in HIllary and that is why you were attracted to her, or if you just have gotten too passionate about this primary to be able to establish some kind of emotional distance from what is happening.
I am so tired the 'all caps' screaming posts, and the posts which insert Barack's middle name into every mention of his name, the latte posts are getting a bit old too .What good does all of your animosity do? Does it help Hillary get the nomination? It's not just on this blog either, I have phonebanked for Obama and of all the people I called, the rudest were Hillary Clinton supporters, a good number of whom would curse at me before slamming the phone down.
I hope you can take a deep breath and realize that above all else, we want a Democratic President; either Clinton or Obama will be 1000% better than the knucklehead we have had to endure for almost 8 years.
I'm 61 years old and I have supported alot of candidates who never got elected, it just happens, you feel cheated, or hurt for awhile, then you shake it off and you continue to do what you can for politicians you believe in, throwing tantrums and threatening are not going to change anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 AM on 05/10/2008
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Your efforts are much appreciated. Cheers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 AM on 05/10/2008
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I like the way Obama deals with it. He could stick to HRC 10 different ways from Thursday but he just nods and smiles as says "she has every right to run for as long as she wants".

Same here we can't let other's negativity drag us down into a cat fight. Let HRC supporters vent, they'll be on our side soon enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 05/10/2008
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I really admire Obama's restraint, and I think it's one of his qualities which has attracted so many. He's cool, calm, collected, and thoughtful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 AM on 05/10/2008
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In the last presidential election, I voted for John Kerry. He wasn't my first choice, and as the election progressed, I actually became less impressed with him. But he was the Democratic nominee, and as a Democrat, my allegiance was not to Kerry but to the Democratic Party and the values that I share with all Democrats. After four years of Bush and a Republican ruled congress, and an unraveling war in Iraq, though Kerry was not my personal choice, he became my only choice, in spite of my growing concerns about him. I read the posts of those who will not vote for Senator Obama, and I wonder where their allegiance lies. It's obviously not with the Democratic Party if they are inclined to vote Republican. Nor is their allegiance to Senator Clinton who will support Senator Obama if she is not the nominee. And it cannot be an allegiance to the country. Instead, their allegiance is only to themselves, to their own personal and petty sense of gratification. The dynamics of this election process has exposed much about the character of our nation and about ourselves as Americans. It has also exposed those who merely call themselves Democrats and those who are truly invested in the values of the Democratic Party, and the difference is striking. I am hopeful that our Party will soon begin to heal and unite, but I understand now that we were fractured long before this primary season began.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 05/10/2008
- Truthmeter I'm a Fan of Truthmeter 2 fans permalink

Newsflash- Obama is not black....his mother was white...his father left when he was 2 years old and Obama only saw him one more time in the 70's....he was raised by HIS MOTHER and her parents along with his mothers Asian/white stepfather...so what does black have to do with it other than biology. If a kids adopted, how important is their biological parent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 05/10/2008
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OK, What are you saying exactly?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 05/10/2008
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I am saying that he's not black...and to call him a black is just wrong..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 AM on 05/10/2008
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There doesn't seem to be a word in the English lexicon, that to call him black(easier) or one can say he is mixed or of diverse background but those are discriptions and not names.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 05/10/2008
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Obama IS BLACK! Either we accept him for all that he is, or we haven't accepted him at all!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 AM on 05/10/2008
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Wouldn't it be neat if we could have an election without people referring to color. Where news agencies reported a percentage of votes in this or that part of a state but without referring to how many of them were white votes and how many black. Everyone would just be a PERSON, an American, a human being, and color wouldn't even enter into it.

Will that day ever come?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 05/10/2008
- Truthmeter I'm a Fan of Truthmeter 2 fans permalink

How can you call him black ...that totally ignores the fact that his mother gave birth to him..and totally raised him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 AM on 05/10/2008
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Don't discount his momma...that ain't right

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 05/10/2008

Barrack Obama is Multiracial.

There are a lot of us in this country...Black/White, Asian/White, Native American/White, Black/Asian, Native American/Asian, Black/White/Asian, Black/White/Native American, Asian/White/Native American and any other combination I may have missed.

But we are all Americans!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 05/10/2008
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