Hillary's Chances: Growing Chorus Says It's Not Going To Happen

The chorus from major news outlets saying Hillary Clinton's candidacy is almost impossible is growing louder as the Clintons continue to push on. The AP reports on the nine superdelegates Barack Obama picked up today. Clinton picked up one. This morning, ABC declared that according to their delegate tallies, Obama had won more superdelegate support than Clinton for the first time. This afternoon, AP's tally showed Obama within half a superdelegate of Clinton.

When asked about Clinton this morning on NBC and MSNBC, former Democratic contender John Edwards said, "it's very difficult to make the math work." Edwards has yet to make an endorsement.

Read excerpts from the various articles below:

AP:

Barack Obama all but erased Hillary Rodham Clinton's once-imposing lead among national convention superdelegates on Friday and won fresh labor backing as elements of the Democratic Party began coalescing around the Illinois senator for the fall campaign.

ABC:

ABC News' Karen Travers Reports: For the first time this campaign season, Barack Obama has surpassed Hillary Clinton's support among superdelegates, according to the ABC News delegate estimate.

John Edwards on NBC and MSNBC:

The former presidential candidate told interviewers on NBC and MSNBC that Barack Obama will probably top the Democratic ticket this fall.

Hillary Clinton has said that she can still win the nomination - but "it's very difficult to make the math work," said Edwards.

Comments

[WLA]

Yikes. About the last two hours of posts got scrubbed. Thanks, you-know-who. I sure hope they banned him again.

[SOLOMON123]

QUICK!!!..­.Someone throw a bucket of water on Hillary and grab her broom so we can finally get rid of her once and for all....the­n we will have to deal with the old flying monkey McCain.

Auntie Em' we're almost home...

[ohmercy]

wow, such uplifting sentiments.
Why are you so filled with ugliness and hate?

[bluegrasser]

LESSON 1

93% of blacks voting for a black candidate is not necessarily racism.

For it to be racist, their reason for supporting him would need to be based on a belief that the black race is superior.

It is not clear at all that this is why blacks are supporting him in such high numbers.

There is every reason to believe (on the other hand) that their choice is based on his superior abilities as a unique human being -- given that this is why so many people of other races are supporting him.

In order to make the racist claim stick, you'd need to establish that Obama is without merrit as a Presidential candidate. No one is able to do this.

In contrast, when we say that a refusal not to support Obama is racist, we do so because the only arguments in defense of it are based on stated (or held) beliefs about the candidate that parallel the believers stated beliefs about people of color.

Many claims against Obama are actually irrelevant. They assert a lack of some aspect (experience, vetting, leadership, bravery, etc.) that he must have in order to command the believer's vote.

Such calims are usually arbitrary and are similar to ad hominem fallacies.

[Truthmeter]

That is just nonsense

[bluegrasser]

If it were nonsense, you could refute it logically.

Step up. Give it a shot. But be prepared to be butt-raped (figuratively, of course).

[Seattlelite]

If African American's are only voting for Sen. Obama because he's a black man that how do you explain their lack of support when Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton ran for President? When this contest began Hillary actually had a more of the black vote, what happen? Answer -- Hillary apparently decided she had a better chance if she could rally enough working class whites against Obama. What she failed to understand is this country is TRIED of being divided along race and party lines.

[Breni]

Because most INTELLIGENT blacks KNEW/KNOW that Al and Jessie are big-time race-baiters and they KNEW very few whites would vote for them, and probably some blacks don't like Al and Jessie anyway.

Now comes Obama, since he's black - an unknown black, one who was not a race-baiter/rebel rouser - blacks figured whites wouldn't vote for him either. BUT, once blacks realized that whites WERE voting for him, they figured he might have a chance after all - so they jumped from Hillary over to Obama. Then after Bill Clinton made that remark in S.C. , blacks took offense so more piled onto the Obama bandwagon. That's my 'theory'.

Flame away!

[kate123]

It interesting that all these Hillary supporters and republican trolls are telling us that Obama can't win without the white vote. What they fail to understand is that the political landscape in the country has undergone a sea change. The old rules DO NOT APPLY! If we've learned anything from Hillary's failed campaign it is that. There is no sure fire way to predict what's going to happen in this election. Barack Obama's campaign is looked for one million volunteers to register voters for the fall election. And the Repubs are terrified he's actually going to make this happen. Hillary's key demographic is aging itself right out of the electorate. Why can't people understand that politics is a fluid system. It does not stay the same from year to year or decade to decade. So don't tell me Obama can't win. You don't know for sure. I don't know for sure. But with all the new voters we're going to register and the mess that the repubs have made, I'd say he's got a damn good chance!

[Sandmann]

Finally, some logic and thought brought to the table...Th­ank You.

[Truthmeter]

So, even though sea change and fluid sounds beautiful and all, are you saying that Obama could win he he didn't get a single white vote....hm­mm....I really don't think that's mathematically possible..­.but you did sound so eloquent.

[Aleka4]

I didn't read that at all. Why did you?

Oh. that's right. You want to cling to some racist fantasy that hes only winning b/c of race, yet that is why he will lose in Nov.

Logic - do you have it?

[Seattlelite]

Obama campaign is a clear indication that the landscape of this country has changed. I remind people he won in states like Iowa, Idaho and Missouri. The only people who believe this country hasn't moved beyond race -- well, they need to ask why they haven't.

[Breni]

kate123 - what do you mean? Obama can't win without the white vote? Seems to me he's already getting half of the white votes now. What do you want - 100% of ALL voters of ALL colors?

[Truthmeter]

Obama was doing fine in white states, and blacks were torn between the two, until the Clinton's started with the Lyndon Johnson comment, then Bill made the comment about Jesse Jackson and on and on...hmmm.­. The Clintons and the Clintons alone began this racial divide...t­he DNC can't win without the black vote and the Clintons were going to loose that advantage for the DNC, that's when Ted came in with the Kennedy clout....b­am...it was over for Hillary right then, the DNC wasn't going to let them destroy the Democratic party...ma­kes you wonder though whether the DNC have been using black voters..no­t the black leaders who made money through favors from DNC party members..b­ut the regular people who follow these leaders.

[Anonani]

I noticed that too!

[heal57]

Once Senator Obama is elected President, the racia difference is not going to be as much of an issue at all. We will look at each other differently. I think that's started already. We are all Americans and I don't blame 92% of black folks voting for Obama. Quite alot of whites voted for him too. We should unite; that is Obama's point. He's trying to unite the country; Latinos, white, blacks, native Americans,
Asians, everybody, come on. Let's have the same goal; a better America; a respectable America. We can do it!!!!

Independents for Obama '08

[emmav70]

Thank you for your post.

"We should unite; that is Obama's point. He's trying to unite the country; Latinos, white, blacks, native Americans, Asians, everybody, come on. Let's have the same goal; a better America; a respectable America. We can do it!!!!"

LOVE IT !

[MrMilesLong]

Agreed. Obama will do for intellect what Will Smith, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods and Motown did for pop culture.

His presidency will be the greatest boost forward for America than anything seen in decades if not centuries.

It may not be evident now - especially to rural, racist shoeless undereducated voters - but it will be 12 months into an Obama Whitehouse.

And here's a small bonus for all Americans: you'll be able to travel worldwide again without being hated (or kidnapped) as Ugly Americans. No need to pretend you're Canadian anymore!

[SanityNowPlease]

A-freaking-men

[Truthmeter]

What did he mean by "typical white"? What if I called him a "typical black"?

[StillIRise]

I am black, and if you call me a "typical black," it will not destroy me. If you are speaking of me in the context of my generation, as Senator Obama spoke of his grandmother, I will understand exactly what you mean, and will not take offense. My own mother was a typical black woman of Senator Obama's grandmother's generation. She was fearful of whites and feared for her children in the presence of whites. My siblings and I were growing up in a different time and a different world than she did, and though we didn't share her fears, we understood them. It was a typical fear for black women of her age. My mother recognized this in herself, and we recognized it in her as well, and it was not disparaging to her or to other black women of her generation to say this. So, it's okay if you call me a "typical black woman." There's probably some truth in it.

[StandingStill]

That would be okay with. Now get over it and yourself. Try to get a hug from someone who likes you. And finally, get a life! STOP WITH THE RACE BAITING! Americans are so over it. Race-baiti­ng...it's so 1950's, try to come to the new millennium.

OBAMA 08 - Half Black Half White - 100% American - I love it!!

[Aleka4]

You need to read the entore quote, bubba.

He qualified the "typical white person" with "holds no racial animosity". You were suckered by the media who chose to ignore that.

[robXdion]

A "typical white" is the kind of white person that gets offended in the first place, searching for some thing to be indignant about to balance out the indignation they cause others. Like YOU.

[pinksheets]

To me, it was clear that he wasn't using "typical white" in a negative context. I think what he was trying to say that was his grandmother is a "typical white" person in the sense that she led a life comparable to most white people and also did not hold any extremely strong racist sentiments or otherwise radical views about social issues. Her racially driven comments he heard her make are also on par with the racial bitterness that Obama noted exists in the black community as well. Obama could choose his wording better sometimes, but I think it shows that his responses are more stream of consciousness and less rehearsed commentary supplied by strategists.

[Seattlelite]

Sen. Obama's candidacy in itself has already made significant strides in helping this country "heal" some deep wounds. I believe he will be our next President but if the gods see other wise then so be it, he's already done this country a great service and for that I will forever be grateful to him and his family.

[Anonani]

Kinda ugly up in here....my focus is on electing the best candidate that we can find immateriel of his race or party. Notice I said "his" because my belief is that it will be McCain-Oba­ma/Obama-M­cCain. Senator Clinton has fought the good fight and for a minute I believed that she could be "the one" who lifted women beyond the political glass ceiling. She did not stick to that which would have made it so, her womanhood and all that being a woman would have brought to the discourse. She tried to "out man" the men and that was a huge mistake. We women are tired of seeing our sons and daughters brought back in body bags draped with a flag. The last thing I expected to hear was a MOTHER plotting the further demise of our young,...o­ur future!

[heal57]

No more senseless wars killing and injuring our children, our brothers and sisters, there is another way. The flag draped coffins are not allowed to show on our television screens since the Bush white house doesn't want anyone to 'see' the war casualties. Bring the troops home asap!!!!!


Independents for Obama '08

[Cunningham]

Huh? McCain has promised us MORE WARS.

He said he didn't think Americans would care if we were in Iraq for 10,000 years.

He sang. "bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran".

He embraces BushCo's failed policies..­. all of them.

[Anonani]

I am more stunned by HRC's "obliterate" Iran but I will take you at your word that they are saying the same thing.

[Truthmeter]

I don't think you got his point. Sound bite is more effective.­..I don't believe he promised more wars...sou­nd bite...

[Weathermaker]

In 2004 the Democrats had a truly civilized and positive campaign for the nomination. In 2008, it was also civilized until the Clintons felt they might lose and threw the kitchen sink at Obama. Simple as that. The first debate was in August 2007 and until Iowa she was the inevitable candidate. As long as this was accepted and understood, the Clintons played nice. After she lost in Iowa and she threw the kitchen sink, the poop hit the fan.

[karmax]

What the hell do you think black people are? RACIST....­93% voting for him....the­y can say anything they want about us "white honkies" and that's okay. I work with a lot of black women and they tell me how they feel.....t­hey are racist and "proud of it". We are all racist one way or the other. It isn't only white folk. Hey, remember when Obama "wasn't white enough?" Then he won Iowa and you went nuts and all of a sudden he was "black" enough. This is a shame how things are but it is total reality and this will not change. Hopefully, we can all be Americans, but it doesn't look "hopeful" no matter what Obama's speeches say.....dr­eaming is fine....ho­wever, reality rules.

[Sandmann]

Ah yes, another closet case...see folks?

[SanityNowPlease]

i think it just outed itself. i'll bet it has never been called a "honkie" in its life.

[CatLadyforObama]

Dude you sound mental. Shouldn't (BUI), blog under the influence

[the964kid]

karmax - maybe you were not paying any attention but back in December Hillary was polling between 35-45% of the black vote across various states in America. The 'black vote' didn't abandon her until after her and her husband and various surrogates started into their racially polarizing comments, and it wasn't only blacks who felt this way. Many whites also believed that the Clintons had tried to diminish and marginalize Obama as simply 'the black candidate.­' Most blacks had positive feelings towards the Clintons and would have supported her. She certainly could have had respectable voter margins amongst black voters. It was their own actions that caused this. Now she is left with Ronald Reagan level black support, in the single digits. If you want to be mad about this, then be mad at the Clintons - it was their own comments that caused this. Even Hillary felt she needed to apologize for her comments - and she did (too late).

[Truthmeter]

They just thought Obama didn't have a chance...n­one of the black leaders did either..Sh­arpton, Jackson, they make money off the DNC, too afraid to back the wrong candidate.­..then when the tide changed and Clintons started with the racial baiting...­the DNC could not afford to loose the black vote..that­'s when Ted Kennedy et al came out for Obama..tha­t's when the black leaders started stating they were for Obama...th­ey know where their bread is buttered..­.that's how they make their living.

[ohmercy]

She did not apologize for her comments, she apologized for Bill and she did not say he was being racist.

The Obama camp/siurrogates started with the racist crap the day after Hillary won NH.
They could not stand the shock and immediately started the propaganda war of deliberate misinterpretation, reframing the Clinton's as racist.
That was the beginning of the end of my campaigning for Obama.
I had been a huge supporter but after 4 times playing the race card by them I had enough. Once could be a misunderstanding, twice a sensitivity, 3 times is a pattern and 4 times is just politics as usual.

You should read up a little on Axelrod, reframing is his forte in his other life as a businessman who "shapes public perception" for corporations who are attempting to get their way and meeting opposition.
Astroturfing.
http://tinyurl.com/ytrvu9
Maybe when this is over Blackwater can hire him and they can finally open up the compound they have been trying to get started. So far small town Californians have been fighting them and winning.
Just have to shape some public opinion, reframe them and people will jump aboard!
What a frigging world.

Oh, I said Black water but that wasn't racist.

[sandiaview]

You should try to get more education; better yourself; stop the hate. You too can expand your mind and change your reality. Don't sell lower income white folks short; they are much better humans than your cold ever be. You are the sad one.

[StillIRise]

Once again I ask: Were blacks "racist" when they voted 90% for President Clinton TWICE? Were they "racist" when they DIDN'T vote for either Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton? Did you question their voting behavior then? Is it only because they support a candidate, that most other Americans also support, who happens to be black, that they are now "racist?" Blacks have voted for white candidates in the past, even when they had a choice to vote for a black candidate, and they will continue to vote for white candidates in the future, unlike some whites who will never vote for a black man under any circumstances! Are you suggesting that blacks do not have the political wherewithal to recognize the substance of a candidate beyond his skin color? Is this something that only white people have the capacity to do? Why can't blacks support Senator Obama for the same reason their white counterparts support him, as the better candidate? Blacks are not racist because they support Senator Obama, but your post suggests a very racist perspective of blacks!

[Seattlelite]

StillIrise - GREAT post!

[schoolmaster]

Racial divide in the democratic campaign arose because in all contests blacks have overwhelmingly voted for Obama despite Bill Clinton keeping close relations with blacks and their leaders during and after his presidency. It is wrong to attribute that Hillary is stirring up racial bias by her recent comments that poor uneducated whites do not vote for Obama. In case of Obama, his surrogates charged Clinton about his racial remarks whereas Hillary Clinton herself is making factual statements in support of her claim for nomination as it now falls in the hands of the super delegates. Super delegates, in stead of waiting for the end of the race, trying to trump the process by endorsing in advance is indicative more of their idiocy and selfishness than any thing else.

[sandiaview]

Polls say just the opposite. Less educated white folks are tired of politicians investing in their shortcomings rather than trying to help make their lives better. They are not dumb; that's why in the latest Newsweek poll Obama is seen by them as the most honest and most electable when matched with McCain. Where is Hillary getting these numbers. I guess she's making them up as she goes...sor­t of like Bosnia.

[Weathermaker]

"Super delegates, in stead of waiting for the end of the race, trying to trump the process by endorsing in advance is indicative more of their idiocy and selfishness than any thing else."

This has to be the dumbest thing I've read all night. In case you slept during the first 30 primaries, Hillary had a phenomenal superdelegate lead BEFORE the first vote was cast in Iowa. It was HER people who tried to make her the inevitable candidate. At some point even the Clintons will have to agree that 1+1 = 2.

[schoolmaster]

That is exactly my point. Super delegates taking sides at any stage while the process is on is their idiocy. I hope you understand it.

[ohmercy]

this race baiting and implying Clinton is a racist is appalling.
Clinton didn't say anything that the pundits do not say hundreds of times a day.

I was a huge Obama supporter but these games by the surrogates and the supporters have sickened me.

[Truthmeter]

I totally disagree..­.Obam was doing fine in white states and blacks were torn between the two until the Clinton's started with the Lyndon Johnson comment, then Bill made the comment about Jesse Jackson and on and on...hmmm.­. The Clintons and the Clintons alone began this racial divide...t­he DNC can't win without the black vote and the Clintons were going to loose that advantage for the DNC, that's when Ted came in with the Kennedy clout....b­am...it was over for Hillary right then, the DNC wasn't going to let them destroy the Democratic party...ma­kes you wonder though whether the lots of democrats have been using black voters..no­t the leaders who made money through favors..bu­t the regular people who follow these leaders.

[ohmercy]

BTW, the racial divide didn't start until Jesse Jackson Jr. attacked Clinton after her New Hampshire win. They were so shocked that Axelrod started the race crap.
http://tinyurl.com/59z8vy
JJ Jr. implied racism against Clinton by using her tearing up for a moment as somehow being racist. His logic was she didn't cry for Hurricane Katrina victims! WTF? (and how does he know?)

such over the top garbage.
Then was SC and Bill. Another race card played by the Obama camp... and that is how they derailed Clinton and reframed her. (Axelrod is a pro at that. google him and his businesses. very interestin­g.) And that was the beginning of the end of my love affair with Barack Obama.

There is a vid on You tube with Russert holding up pages of memo's sent to the media coming from the obama campaign that outlined how this or that was racist.
Obama admitted it.
really started making me squeamish.

[elascu]

hILLARY, GIVE IT A REST AND LET US GET ON WITH THE BUSINESS OF DEFEATING McCAIN. YOU'VE SET THE STAGE FOR ALL THIS NEGATIVITY. YOUR SUPPORTERS MAY NEVER COME BACK TO REALITY. PLEASE GIVE THEM A CHANCE FOR DECENT LIVES. PLEASE THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

[HRCBeGone]

Hillary-ites want us to believe Obama is not electable because he's black. Let's look at some of the reasons Hilllary is not electable.­... men won't vote for her because she's a woman.... young voters won't vote for her because they view her as a burnt out Washington insider who has no ideals or values.... educated voters won't vote for her because they see through the stupid, sleazy campaign she's run..... upper class, affluent voters won't vote for her because she lacks the finesse, the class and the refinement that Obama has.

These are just some of the reasons various voting groups are prejudice against Hillary. When you plug in Hillary's name for Obama's, and substitute some of the above mentioned reasons, you see just how silly this kind of thinking is.

[ohmercy]

such ridiculous stereotypi­ng...
And of course playing the race card over and over again.

So interesting to watch you people play these games. So transparent and so cynical.

[mystic]

101 Peculiarities Surrounding The Death Of Vince Foster:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/3450/foster.html

[ohmercy]

ahhhh, here are the neocon tactics we've come to expect from the ObamaCons.

You folks have actually surpassed them.

This is one of the reasons so many Clinton supporters do not want to vote for Obama now.

they loved him in the beginning but you guys have no shame and no impulse control when it comes to hatefulness.

How sad.

It will be so interesting when Obama disappoints you after he is President. Either health care will fall apart or it will be impossible to end the war for reasons we don't know yet or he won't permit/support an investigation of the current bunch of criminals in the WH or any one of a number of things that doesn't fit into your rigid ideology and then all the ugliness you so love to spew will be turned on Obama.

Sigh.

Well at least Hillary and her supporters will be there to defend him and support him.

[MichaelGeneSullivan]

What makes you think that was posted by an Obama supporter? The odds are it was posted by some neo-con agent provocateur, someone who attacked the Clinton's while Bill was President, and now is just trying to stir up animosity in the Democratic ranks. I figure pretty much anyone who uses the term "Hillbillary" or "Obamanics" is just some agent trying to get us so mad at each other that we won't support the eventual nominee. Don't fall for it. Those are the real "trolls," not the obvious Republicans.

[SlappHappy]

This site is filled with self-loathing caucasian trust fund liberals, who wish they could be friends with a black person if only they weren't so scared of them. Therefore, Barry Obama is their fantasy black buddy, a guy they can cast a vote for and defend on sites like HuffPo, giving themselves the comforting allusion that they are down with the brothers. It's sure a lot easier than actually having to associate with blacks in real life!

[Sandmann]

Self-loathing caucasian attack = code for "traitors to the aryan nation", go be stupid elsewhere puppet, I think Rush is taking applications for another sycophant lap-dog.

[paganmist]

And people who vote for Hillary don't want to vote for a black guy!

See what sweeping generalizations can do for you?

Get over it. Stop being bitter about it and do what you have to do to save your country.

[abby4ever]

Boy, are you ever in for a pasting. If it doesn't happen, it will be a miracle.

[SlappHappy]

I'm shaking in my boots over here.

[pacats]

everyone should flag this post as offensive.

[Sandmann]

No, let people see the idiocy they're up against...

[SlappHappy]

Its meant to be offensive to trust fund liberal brats like you. I say nothng against black people at all in that post, if you'd learn how to read. I know plenty of blacks who agree with me.

[YellowPanties]

Hillary is a political zombie: unstoppable, unthinking, craving human flesh.

[TheNews]

Spoken like a try Obama voter. Not rational for your vote or support other than he's Black.

Over 92% voting for Obama in the black community.

You can't get 65% of any group to agree on a wall being green if it's green. And you're going to sit here and tell me that it's not about race with the blacks that they're getting those results with blacks.

So when Whites vote McCain and Obama goes down. Don't cry. You'll only be getting some of your own medicine!!!

[SanityNowPlease]

spoken like a true brown shirt racist. you must be proud goose steppin your way through life. hope you don't have children.

[Aleka4]

You are really offensive. I am mean, you make me sick offensive.

[emmav70]

My other screen name is "swastika" --- said "TheNews".

[maxwellinformed]

What the hell are you talking about?!

[BlackWidowPilot]

Izvestia,

you are just about the most transparent partisan of the "Gang of Pedophiles" this independent voter has seen around here in quite a while.

You couldn't be more obvious to *Ray Charles* (a deceased blind man) as to your true allegiance to "Hundred Years War" McCain and his Bushevik fellow travlers of the "Gang of Pedophiles­."

I happen to be as WASP as they come, Izvestia, and I know a red herring when I see one.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

[olivia]

Sometimes if you want something too much it will destroy you - even if you get it.