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First Posted: 05- 9-08 09:41 PM   |   Updated: 05-17-08 05:12 AM

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On Friday, Barack Obama publicly raised the possibility of helping Hillary Clinton pay off more than $25 million in debts, including the $11.42 million she loaned her own campaign to keep it afloat in recent months.

"Historically after a campaign is done and you want to unify the party, particularly when you've had a strong opponent, you want to make sure you're putting that opponent in a strong position so that they can work to win an election in November. So, obviously, I would want to have a broad range of discussions with Senator Clinton about how I could make her feel good about
the process and have her on the team moving forward."

Talking to reporters in front of a Mexican restaurant in Woodburn, Oregon, the Illinois Senator warned that such discussions are "premature right now. She's still actively running and we've still got business to do right here in Oregon and in other states."

The Clinton campaign dismissed out-of-hand any talk of Obama helping Clinton with her debts. "We are running a competitive primary race," said spokesman Phil Singer. "We have seen the dangers of declaring 'mission accomplished' before."

Obama cannot under federal law assume direct responsibility for Clinton's debts because that would amount to an illegal contribution, far above contribution limits.

There are, however, a number of other alternatives. Obama could, for example, send out a solicitation in Clinton's behalf to his own donors and to other donor lists, asking for contributions to be directed to her campaign. He could, in addition, hold a joint fundraiser with the money
split between Clinton and Obama.

Strong opposition to helping Clinton, in the event that she withdraws from the contest, has emerged among Obama supporters who continue to voice intense anger at Clinton and her former chief strategist, Mark Penn. The opposition surfaced immediately after the Huffington Post ran stories
raising the subject.

At an Obama-run blog
for supporters, a number of contributors have argued that any effort to help Clinton pay off bills would be insupportable.

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"The read-between-the-lines statement that I am hearing is that he would be expected to use his campaign clout (which as far as I am concerned, means his ethics and integrity) to attach her debt consolidation efforts to his future fundraising efforts. Which means he WOULD be taking money from lobbyists - big time!!!!" wrote "TH" of California. "So yes, while he may not be selling us out by giving away our hard earned money directly to her, Obama would be selling out by using his new political clout to help pay off her debts. Memo to OBAMA: You do not need to sell one ounce of your soul to gain this nomination. NOT THIS TIME! Remember? NOT THIS TIME!!!"

"Ken" from Wagoner, Okla., wrote: "I am also reading Sen. Obama is considering Hillary for his VICE !!! I am wondering what has happened to Sen. Obama, has he gone BONKERS? I pray he has nothing to do with the Clinton's or their financial problems !!!"

There is deep animosity towards Clinton in the Obama camp, where many believe she has raised issues of race and 'elitism' that will hurt the Illinois Senator in November.

In an interview with USA Today for example, Clinton declared: "I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," citing an AP article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

In addition, Mark Penn, the former chief strategist for Clinton and head of one of the biggest PR-lobbying conglomerates in the nation's capital, is seen as the quintessential Washington insider, capitalizing on political connections to become a multi-millionaire.

The immediate problem with Penn -- whose conflicts of interest plagued the Clinton campaign and ultimately led to his being publicly, if not privately, repudiated -- is that if Obama helps Clinton pay off her debts, a big chunk of those debts - as much as $10 million by some estimates -- is owed to Penn.

Penn is the CEO of Burson-Marsteller, which has "a global network of 94 offices and 1600 employees that brings world-class public relations to companies around the world."

Burson-Marsteller is one of the 246 companies owned by WPP, a leading global advertising and marketing services group. WPP controls a powerful array of public relations, advertising and lobbying companies, including Hill and Knowlton; Dewey Square; Ogilvy and Mather; Public Strategies Inc.; AGB Nielsen Media Research; Quinn Gillespie and Associates; Timmons and

Company; Wexler and Walker Public Policy Associates; Young and Rubicam Brands.

Penn, who remains a top adviser to Clinton, was forced to step down as the face of the Clinton strategy team after disclosures that he was meeting privately with the government of Colombia to promote congressional approval of a trade agreement which Clinton - and her most loyal voters -- oppose.

Consideration by the Obama camp of providing financial help to Clinton would be part of a peace-making process in the event that she withdraws from the presidential nominating contest.

Under federal campaign finance law, the Obama campaign cannot directly pay off Clinton's debts, or the $11.43 million she has loaned the campaign, because that would violate campaign contribution limits. But if Obama is the nominee, he and his donor base could provide invaluable help to her in raising money through signed appeals, joint fundraisers and by other methods.

The Obama campaign does not want to be identified as having discussions about Clinton's finances. Obama aides used the term "chit-chat" to dismiss any such discussions.

Both Obama and Clinton have broken all Democratic fundraising records. Through the first quarter of this year, Obama raised $234.7 million, and Clinton $189.1 million. As of March 31, the date of the most recent FEC filing, Obama had $51.1 million in the bank and just $662,784 in debt, for a net cash position of $50.4 million; while Clinton had $31.7 million in the
bank, debts of $15.2 million, and had loaned the campaign $6.4 million. (The FEC lists debts and loans separately.) More recently, Clinton disclosed that she had made her campaign additional loans, bringing the total amount she has loaned to her effort to $11.4 million. At the same time, her campaign was running close to broke for much of last month. Details of fundraising and spending for the month of April do not have to be filed until May 15.

Money is a central issue in the delicate negotiations that many expect to lead to a Clinton withdrawal. A winning candidate often offers to do whatever is legal to help a loser pay down debts. In this case, there is exceptional animosity between the two camps. Furthermore, Penn's interest in any negotiations are sure to be pressed very aggressively by the Clinton campaign's new Chief Operating Officer, Howard Paster. Paster was brought in immediately upon Penn's retreat, and, as it happens, Paster is Penn's boss. Paster is the executive vice president for public relations and public affairs at Burson-Marsteller's parent company, WPP.

In his new capacity as COO of the Clinton campaign, Paster is almost certain to be central in deciding how much of any money Obama might help raise for Clinton is used to pay off the debt to Penn. This set of relationships will undoubtedly impact the enthusiasm of Obama donors for a Clinton-Obama pact.

On Friday, Barack Obama publicly raised the possibility of helping Hillary Clinton pay off more than $25 million in debts, including the $11.42 million she loaned her own campaign to keep it afloat in...
On Friday, Barack Obama publicly raised the possibility of helping Hillary Clinton pay off more than $25 million in debts, including the $11.42 million she loaned her own campaign to keep it afloat in...
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- JohnnyLee I'm a Fan of JohnnyLee 10 fans permalink

The Washington Post is reporting that David Axelrod said he can not see any circumstance where the Obama campaign will transfer money to the Clinton campaign.

I thought this story was phony.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 AM on 05/12/2008
- JohnnyLee I'm a Fan of JohnnyLee 10 fans permalink

For those interested here in the link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/11/AR2008051101865.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 AM on 05/12/2008
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Which story, Johnny Lee? This one in HuffPost or the one in WaPo?

It makes a difference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 05/12/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 205 fans permalink
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If the Obama campaign did pay off Ms. Clinton's debts, it would be to their benefit more than hers.
Race over, your money was exhausted before mine

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 05/11/2008

Yes those of us that supported Obama financially will be ASKED to give money to Clinton.
I personally will not.
Not after she was cautioned not to engage in any direct putting down of Obama and Mrs. Clinton talked about white voters voting more less for Obama than others. If she were smart she would know that MORE working white voters voted for Obama than for her. Period.
After that lie, quoting AP or not, and after yet another comment of race baiting by her campaign, I as a white man will give her nothing.
Let her ask her buddy McCain.
But then we need her supporters, so Obama can ask all he wants. Those that want to give will do so. And if this helps the peace, its fine by me. But as for me I am out on that issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 AM on 05/12/2008
- MrKnuckles I'm a Fan of MrKnuckles 11 fans permalink
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"Here, let me help you with your massive campaign debts.....­.. Psych!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 05/11/2008

Gosh. I was gonna send her more. Guess I'll wait. : )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 05/11/2008
- ginnypoo I'm a Fan of ginnypoo 7 fans permalink

He's the Godfather now? Or what...a horses head in her bad one morning? Are you threatening Hillary?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 05/11/2008

Plueese Ginny,

With the race baiting carried on by the Clintons, and the Judas comment, along with Billary accusing Obama of everything under the sun, you have the nerve to say that someone is THREATENING Hillary.

Look she lost, and as Democrats(you may be but I am voting as one this year) we need to get together against McSame. While Obama supporters are passionate, they are also welcoming.
If Obama wants to privately do something for Hillary that is great, especially if she works to get people like you on board with us in November.
Unless you are a closet Republican I am sure you will come around...

"Can't we all just get along"- Rodney King

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 AM on 05/12/2008

You know with the unprecedented $millions, much of it from bundled money from corporations and much of the rest by devoted Obamanuts (I wonder how much the poor, esp. blacks, who can barely feed their families and put gas in their cars to get to work.) He started running campaign TV ads several weeks ago here in Oregon, some back to back on local news shows, and yet he couldn't afford to open an Obama headquarte­rs......he uses the local democratic office.' It looks like he feels he can buy the nomination. This offer of paying Hillary''s personal money back to her is just another proof of that. Money is one of the biggest factors in this campaign, but do we want a president who seems to have no shame in appearing to buy it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 05/11/2008
- djelimon I'm a Fan of djelimon 2 fans permalink

There's a difference between buying the nomination and salvaging party unity.

To partially quote Ben Franklin "hang together or hang separately"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 05/11/2008
- FZliveson I'm a Fan of FZliveson 82 fans permalink
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I'm interested as to how you would have done it. Running a campaign is complicated and today the media is a huge part of the psychology of running for election. At least that is what the promotions companies want everyone to believe. I believe any candidate's supporters will want the candidate to do whatever he needs to do to win, with integrity ("Integrity" being a very subjective thing.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 05/12/2008
- DWX I'm a Fan of DWX permalink

Hillary seems to be very eager in continue financing her campaign using her own money (11.6M to this day). She knows at the end of the day when all her trickery has exhausted on Superdelegates, she will only need to blackmail Obama to pay her debt otherwise she will campaign to derail Obama’s presidency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 05/11/2008
- mairs I'm a Fan of mairs 216 fans permalink
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And her campaign is still actively and ferociously trying to dig up dirt on Obama to bump him off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 05/11/2008

Can hardly wait to see what she finds. Get out your noseplugs!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 05/11/2008
- mairs I'm a Fan of mairs 216 fans permalink
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Check out cnnpolitics.com for Hillary's vice presidential aspirations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 05/11/2008
- Vinca I'm a Fan of Vinca 6 fans permalink

To Mairs: I believe Obama should take Hillary for his Vice President, it seems he 'll win nomination, I think they could patch up things, THEN THEY WOULD WIN

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 05/12/2008

Not gonna happen, either the payback or the VP for Clinton. Among the various ways Obama could torpedo his own campaign would be...Go hug Louis Farrakhan, convert to Islam, and help Hillary Clinton pay for her destructive, racist attacks against Barack Obama.

Why would I send another penny to Barack Obama if he was just going to hand it to his opponents? I did not send money to Hillary Clinton. What's next, a gift for John McCain?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 05/11/2008
- mairs I'm a Fan of mairs 216 fans permalink
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Yeah, pay off her debts while she's simultaneously trying to force herself onto your ticket. This is all going to get far worse and much messier before it gets better. So her friends and associates are saying they're sure that she will use her leverage to make him take her as VP. Blackmail if you will. Do what I say and everything will be fine. Don't take me and I'll make a mess you'll never get out from under. And the Senate doesn't want her back because her campaign tactics have alienated her fellow Senators. She's burned that bridge. It's only forward or crash and burn. They don't want her on the ticket. No feeding the zoo animal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 05/11/2008
- veracity I'm a Fan of veracity 75 fans permalink

Yeah! Would the Clinton's please take their fomer "outside of Washington, now down-and-dirty insider multi-millionaire, married-to­-the-mob-b­oss'-apolo­gist-Mary-­Matlin" pit bull, JAMES CARVILLE, with them, as they join Joe Lieberman at the Republican Convention key-note speech this summer?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 05/11/2008

I don't want money I have donated to Senator Obama's campaign going to pay off Mark Penn's owed salary of 4million dollars. Nor do I want to repay Sen. Clinton's personal loan. She should have ended her campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 05/11/2008
- morgan1 I'm a Fan of morgan1 12 fans permalink

I am tired of hearing about the "Dream Ticket" of HC as VP. She has enough baggage to drag Obama into the gutter with her and hubby--And the Republicans will use it all to stay in the White House. I agree we should not pay off Mark Penn or her debt or negotiate for some sort of cabinet position to get her to give up this quest. She has shown her true colors as a person (Dispicable) and those she chose to run her campaign have been arrogant and immature at best-- Imagine what she would do in the White House with the same cronies picked for slots to help her run the government. She made her bed, let her sleep in it. Obama must not choose her or offer the olive branch and wipe her debt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 05/11/2008

I don't think the Clintons are much into grabbing money. They never even owned a house until they left the WH........­....not like Saint Obama, who bought a $2 million dollar on a Illinois state senator's salary. Don't you wonder how he was able to do that, esp. while they were paying off student loans from her undergraduate Ivy League and then another Ivy league Law degree;
He got his undergraduate degree, I believe from Columbia in NYC and an Ivy league law degree. Can you imagine how much debt they had? And yet they were able to buy that $2 million home.
Bet the GOPhers are combing through his financial dealings and those of Resco and other benefactors. And Resco is on trial right now in Chicago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 05/11/2008
- djelimon I'm a Fan of djelimon 2 fans permalink

I believe the record states he made his fortune from his literary endeavours.

Rezco may be on trial but it has nothing to do with Obama.

But surely this is old barren ground.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 05/11/2008

So tell me again how hillary was ready to manage a country with a $14 trillion GDP if she couldn't manage a little campaign with a flat broke budget of $150 million ?

Ready on day one - but for what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 05/11/2008
- TishiJo I'm a Fan of TishiJo 20 fans permalink

Senator Obama said it was premature to suggest such assistance to Hillary. Also, it would be illegal and I know Senator Obama would not do anything illegal. This is pure rumor just as all the vice president talk is.

I nominate for Vice President Governor Bill Richardson.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 05/11/2008
- mystic I'm a Fan of mystic 18 fans permalink

I wonder if Hillary has reached some sort of deal with Bush to have her pardoned; After all didn't her husband pardon her two brothers' criminal buddies? This way she can overextend her debts just like Bush has. Hey, who cares about debts? That's for sissies!!! Real men or real women with testicular fortitude should not care about silly homosexual things like debts!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 05/11/2008
- BigBen I'm a Fan of BigBen 4 fans permalink

Surely Obama should distance himself from a Democratic Party which includes the likes of Bill and Hillary just like he distanced himself from his church when people found out about his minister?After all the first distancing was the hard one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 05/11/2008

Distance himself from his church? It most be nice to make it up as you go along.

Bill and Hillary have distance themselves from the Democratic Party. It may not be obvious to you, but the party is moving away into a new trajectory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 05/13/2008
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