US Makes Changes To Cremations For Slain Troops

digg Share this on Facebook Huffpost - US Makes Changes To Cremations For Slain Troops stumble reddit del.ico.us RSS


First Posted: 05- 9-08 10:20 PM   |   Updated: 05-17-08 05:12 AM

I Like ItI Don’t Like It
Cremation

The Pentagon is recommending changes in the handling of troops' remains, after it was revealed that a crematorium contracted by the military handles both human and animal cremations.

A military official said there have been no instances or charges that human and pet remains were mixed. But officials are now recommending that troops' remains be incinerated only at facilities that are dedicated entirely to humans, in order to avoid any appearance of a problem. Or, officials said, families can opt to have a relative's remains sent to a local funeral home for cremation, which would be paid for by the military.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates believed the earlier situation was "insensitive and entirely inappropriate for the dignified treatment of our fallen," said Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell.

"Our heroes deserve to be better treated than that," Morrell said, adding that a sign at one of the crematoriums noted that it also does pet cremations. He said Gates offered an apology to military families for the insensitivity.

Morrell said there is "absolutely no evidence whatsoever at this point that any human remains were at all ever mistreated, or ever not cremated where they were supposed to be cremated. That said, the secretary believes that is it inappropriate, even if permissible under the rules and regulations, to cremate our fallen, our heroes, in a facility that also cremates pets."

The Dover Air Force Base Port Mortuary, where all troops' remains arrive from the battlefield, does not have its own crematorium, so it contracts with two funeral homes for the cremations: Torbert Funeral Chapel and Pippens Funeral Home.

Pippens' crematorium is located at the funeral home and is used only for human remains, while Torbert's has incinerators for both human and animal remains.

While most facilities don't advertise the fact that they handle both human and animal remains, there is a sign near the Torbert crematory advertising the "Friends Forever Pet Cremation Service."

Story continues below

Officials said there are three incinerators at the Torbert facility, and two are used for humans, while one is used for pets. The human and pet facilities are separated by about 20 feet.

Air Force Lt. Gen. Frank Klotz, Air Force staff director, told Pentagon reporters that it is not uncommon for crematoriums to provide both services.

Klotz said the issue came to light Friday when an officer who works in the Pentagon went to Dover to pay respects to a fallen comrade who was being cremated. The soldier noticed the pet cremations sign, and was concerned about the fact that the facility handled both human and animal remains.

The officer alerted senior officials at the Pentagon, who notified Capitol Hill and quickly pulled together the policy changes. Arizona Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, sent a letter to Gates calling the report "very disturbing."

Bill Torbert, president of Torbert Funeral Chapel, said a representative from Dover Air Force Base visited a crematory run by his company earlier this week, but was satisfied there was nothing amiss.

Torbert said the human and pet crematories are in adjoining buildings on the same property but have separate entrances. A sign advertising pet cremation services is in front of the Friends Forever office, but there are no signs on the building housing the human crematory facilities, which Torbert said are not used for cremation of pets.

"We do a lot of work with the military," he said. "We service them very well."

Gates has directed David Chu, the undersecretary of defense for personnel, to conduct a review of Defense Department policies and practices governing the cremation and handling of remains of service members.

To date, Dover's port mortuary has processed 4,608 remains, but the Pentagon was not immediately able to say how many of those were cremations, and how many were handled by either Pippens or Torbert rather than service members' hometown facilities. Lt. Chris Sukach, spokeswoman for the Dover base, had no immediate comment and referred questions to Pentagon officials.

Klotz said the military has used the two Delaware facilities since about 2001, and neither one, on its own, can meet the Pentagon's needs in the time required. He said he plans to go to Dover on Saturday to speak with officials about the matter.

The Pentagon is recommending changes in the handling of troops' remains, after it was revealed that a crematorium contracted by the military handles both human and animal cremations. A military offic...
The Pentagon is recommending changes in the handling of troops' remains, after it was revealed that a crematorium contracted by the military handles both human and animal cremations. A military offic...
Filed by Nick Sabloff  |  Report Corrections
 
Comments
354
Pending Comments
0
iPhone App Promo

Want to reply to a comment? Hint: Click "Reply" at the bottom of the comment; after being approved your comment will appear directly underneath the comment you replied to

View Comments:
Page: « First ‹ Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next › Last » (8 pages total)
photo

Links?

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 05/10/2008
- springsm I'm a Fan of springsm 55 fans permalink

Links? I am glad to get some of them. I look at the ones I want too. Huffpo is letting links get by these days...it doesn't hurt anything. Take a deep breath.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 05/10/2008
photo

Actually, HuffPo's system still has one too many bugs; my asking for links was directed at another poster making a pretty serious assertion, but without backing it up.

"Take a deep breath?" Heed your own advice, citizen. HuffPo has been letting links get posted since I started visiting here over a year ago.

In fact, here's a link for you to ponder:

armchairsubversive.orgversive.org

Real "family values crowd" that GOP.

"Family values" like David Koresh.

Yeeach.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 05/10/2008
- WTFbush I'm a Fan of WTFbush 6 fans permalink

Who?

What was the name of the person that made that decision in the first place?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 05/10/2008
photo

Some bean counter at the Pentagon, thought it was a great way to save Uncle Sam a couple of bucks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 05/10/2008
photo

Probably the same twit in uniform who decided to write the orders for an entire Minnesota National Guard unit *one* (1) day short so as to deny them GI Bill and other educational money upon their return.

Probably the same num-nuts who signed off on the defective body armour, no doubt offered a cushy private sector job as a consultant with a defense contractor if he'd just sign off on their patented "Reynolds Warp Super-Duper Flak Vest."

Gah.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 05/10/2008
- Fightnmad I'm a Fan of Fightnmad 43 fans permalink
photo

The issue at hand is the government's lack of respect for our troops.

Remember when they sent the fallen home in plain wooden coffins and they came off the baggage conveyor belt, like large pieces of luggage? I do.

Remember when the media was no longer able to photograph flag draped coffins, or the funerals for the dead soldiers? I do. (THINK: Barbara Bush's infamous "Beautiful mind" comment)

One of their most heinous crimes, is the tweaking of the numbers of slain because the critically wounded who are shipped out to foreign countries for hospital care, and who die from wounds sustained, are not listed as "official war casualties ". That site was scrubbed from the DoD's web page years ago.

And who can forget the atrocities of neglect our wounded and returning vets must endure? The government truly does treat our troops as cannon fodder- disposable and expendable.

Shame on the Bush administration and to all who supported the Iraqi invasion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 05/10/2008
- springsm I'm a Fan of springsm 55 fans permalink

Does anybody have the numbers of military wounded who have died en route to Germany or any other destinations or how many have died upon admittance of those hospitals? Once in awhile we get that statistic from somebody. I would really like to know...if it is at all possible. GD bush and cheney and wolfowitz and addington and yoo and and and and ....all of them. damn them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 05/10/2008
- LouisPWu I'm a Fan of LouisPWu 4 fans permalink

In today's news, grieving parents and spouses, the Pentagon and the Bush Administration admit they care for your fallen loved one every bit as much as they care for a dog. That should brighten everyone's day....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 05/10/2008
- likeicare I'm a Fan of likeicare 8 fans permalink

Anybody else noticing a pattern here?

The brass fucks up -- it's uncovered, then they say it needs to be fixed.

Why was it allowed to get so fucked up in the first place?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 05/10/2008
- Pigliacci I'm a Fan of Pigliacci 9 fans permalink

Worse than that, they only call it a fuck-up after it's uncovered; until then, it's a brilliant policy. That's how it gets so fucked up in the first place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 05/10/2008
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 429 fans permalink
photo

Cremations are actually pretty sleazy business, even when the US government is not involved. I don't think they burn the bodies one by one, and with the cost of fuel what it is .........

Remember, this is a Republican administration. They gave tax breaks to the rich so they didn't have the money for the returning soldiers to get the basics, you know, like health care, counseling for Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, resulting in over 1000 suicide attempts per month.

They don't even tell the truth about the soldier's deaths, like Pat Tillman, a true American hero.

Why would this create a firestorm? Many of us already knew how morally bankrupt Bush/Cheney/Rice already were. I'm seeing no one admit to being stupid enough to vote for these cretins twice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 05/10/2008

"I'm seeing no one admit to being stupid enough to vote for these cretins twice."

Oh, tragically for America, there ARE those who are proud to admit they've voted for the Chimp/Cheney cretins twice...and are equally proud to promise their votes to McCain (who ISN'T proud to admit he voted for Bush).

Why vote for McCain? ...

Because we are winning our "Global War On Terrorism" in IRAQ! ... in much the same way we were winning back in February of 2007, when Laura Bush acknowledged that she had found the Iraq war and its aftermath "wearing", but told CNN she fully agrees with the president that a troop withdrawal would be a "serious mistake". "Of course it's wearing, worrying. There's no doubt about it, and I understand how the American people feel and that they feel like things aren't going like we want them to there", she said, "but many parts of Iraq are stable now. But, of course, what we see on television is the one bombing a day that discourages everybody".

Laura sees ONLY "one bombing" a day. And how many "bodies" a day can we count on her seeing?

Well, TODAY she won't let the war and its aftermath wear her down. She's got a wedding to celebrate. And that's all that counts!

OBAMA '08!
HOPE & CHANGE!

Stay safe, healthy and happy,
Love, Loretta

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 05/10/2008
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 112 fans permalink
photo

Depends on where cremation takes place. I saw one done in London (Golders Green) years ago, meaning I peered into the "progress" of incineration at one retort. I was also there when a technician cleaned out the remains of someone else from an adjacent retort. It can be done properly. Then there are places like that one in Georgia where they left bodies to rot because they didn't want to waste fuel.

I guess you get what you pay for -- and we see what that is (and isn't) re: this government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 05/10/2008
photo

Why the eff aren't Americans storming the Capitol, demanding impeachment, change, reform? Instead we just lie back and listen to and read about the atrocities of this evil Administration. The streets should be jammed with protesters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 05/10/2008
- pithy I'm a Fan of pithy 10 fans permalink

Why? Because we don't have a draft anymore.

I have a niece with an 18-year-old son. She's only marginally involved in the news on Iraq because her son won't be going.

She's a single mom, has two jobs and is crazy busy. No one on her side of the family cares much about the war - not grandparents, sisters, cousins, etc. because they're not in any danger.

If the draft were re-instated, the whole effing country would rise up and put an end to this and future misadventures (what a benign word for all this killing!!!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 05/10/2008
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 112 fans permalink
photo

Pithy got it right concerning the average citizen. So the question for me becomes -- why hasn't the military mutanied given what it's been put through (versus the suicides)?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 05/10/2008
- editor I'm a Fan of editor 9 fans permalink
photo

For consistency; if our fallen military heros are "respected" by cremating them at Pet Crematorium Centers; should not the pResident be honored with an Outhouse instead of a Library?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 05/10/2008
- Fightnmad I'm a Fan of Fightnmad 43 fans permalink
photo

ROFL! You can always stock the outhouse with copies of My Pet Goat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 05/10/2008
- hmmmmmer I'm a Fan of hmmmmmer 30 fans permalink

Could this administration be any more callous. It is sickening that they wouldn't even register this as a problem on what little radar screen they are capable of producing in their little minds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 05/10/2008
- LouisPWu I'm a Fan of LouisPWu 4 fans permalink

Anyone who thinks the Pentagon or Bush's Administration have the tiniest bit of respect for our troops if fooling themselves. The troops are mere pawns and the Generals and Politicians figure there will always be more young men and women suffiiently desperate for a job that they'll enlist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 05/10/2008
- Shanti I'm a Fan of Shanti 2 fans permalink

The most egregious myth: the Bush administration supports the troops! What they support is the killing and maiming of the troops for nefarious reasons. It is a total non sequitur.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 05/10/2008
photo

Yeah, Gates cares about the troop. But want let the public see their funerals. Even at the family's request.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 05/10/2008
- shengirl I'm a Fan of shengirl 10 fans permalink

Exactly. They won't let anyone photograph the bodies being returned to Dover AFB, as was done in previous wars; recently they kept the media at a distance from a funeral at Arlington National Cemetery that the family INVITED to be there! They're just manipulating the bodies of these fallen military for their political ends. And then they come up with this non-story to try and make it sound like they are oh-so-sensitive. You're being suckered, people. Again. Crematories have separate facilities for pets and for people. This whole controversy is ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 05/10/2008

It never even crossed my mind that they were being cremated. Is that at the family's request? Or mere convenience for shipping remains back to the family?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 05/10/2008
- shengirl I'm a Fan of shengirl 10 fans permalink

Of course the family decides what will be done with their loved one's remains! But face it, for many of the people killed there, there's not a lot left after a roadside bomb. Better to cremate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 05/10/2008
photo

Yeah. This is the real problem. Not that we sent our American Treasure to fight an illegal and immoral war for OIL. Never mind that they're just now armoring their vehicles as they drive through the shitholes of Iraq. Never mind that over 4000 Americans have died for the cooked intelligence from the shrub administration. Never mind that Americans ARE DYING NOW.

Wag the dog, shrub.

1/20/09: THE END OF AN ERROR.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 05/10/2008
- JICC I'm a Fan of JICC 4 fans permalink
photo

A carcass is a carcass is a carcass. Be adults about it and snap out of it. The true issue is people are dying in an unjust war, what happens after bears little relevance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 05/10/2008
- dct1999 I'm a Fan of dct1999 400 fans permalink
photo

It has relevance for many of the survivors. Most people feel strongly about how the remains of their loved ones are treated. Your advice to "snap out of it" is insensitive at best.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 05/10/2008
photo

Survivors have the right to expect that the remains of their loved ones are treated with the respect they deserve, absolutely. But I don't see any evidence in the above article that suggests that this wasn't happening.

I also don't understand how it is disrespectful to have a beloved animal companion being cremated 20 feet away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 05/10/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

I feel this way about my own remains, but it has always been a tradition for the military to treat the dead with honor and respect.

The military owes that much to the families who lost someone they love. It would hurt me to know my child's body had not been treated with respect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 05/10/2008

I've had pets cremated and the cremains were returned to me with respect and dignity. I plan to be cremated myself and having it done at a pet crematorium would be fine by me. Which leads me to believe this is a non-issue, as are most of the side issues brought up by somebody for some purpose that distracts us from the fact that our slain troops start out as living troops who shouldn't be "over there" and they and their families are getting short-changed at every step from recruitment to deployment to return home ... in one form or another.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 05/10/2008
- Bongborg I'm a Fan of Bongborg 91 fans permalink
photo

It is an issue... what is respectable and dignified for an animal is not necessarily respectful and dignified for a human being who has died in the service of this country. This is just another example of the pattern of disrespect for the troops this Administration has been displaying ever since the war started. The only thing that surprises me about it all is that they haven't tried to sell the remains to someone, like maybe a dog food company.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 05/10/2008

Does this thought include animals employed by the armed services????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 05/10/2008

This appears to me to be a trumped-up non-issue. The article clearly states that the cremations are carried out in different incinerators. The fact that the crematorium also does animal cremations, at the request of loving pet owners, is totally immaterial to the human cremations, and anyone seeing it as disrespecting the dead soldiers is jumping to an unjustified conclusion, in my opinion. It is completely separate from the ACTUAL ways in which the Bush administration screws the troops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 05/10/2008
- shengirl I'm a Fan of shengirl 10 fans permalink

Get a grip! There is nothing undignified or disrespectful about cremating a person. More and more people do it every year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 05/10/2008
photo

notabeliever, well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 05/10/2008
Page: « First ‹ Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next › Last » (8 pages total)
Comments are closed for this entry

 You must be logged in to comment. Log in  or connect with 

Connect