US Makes Changes To Cremations For Slain Troops

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First Posted: 05- 9-08 10:20 PM   |   Updated: 05-17-08 05:12 AM

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The Pentagon is recommending changes in the handling of troops' remains, after it was revealed that a crematorium contracted by the military handles both human and animal cremations.

A military official said there have been no instances or charges that human and pet remains were mixed. But officials are now recommending that troops' remains be incinerated only at facilities that are dedicated entirely to humans, in order to avoid any appearance of a problem. Or, officials said, families can opt to have a relative's remains sent to a local funeral home for cremation, which would be paid for by the military.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates believed the earlier situation was "insensitive and entirely inappropriate for the dignified treatment of our fallen," said Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell.

"Our heroes deserve to be better treated than that," Morrell said, adding that a sign at one of the crematoriums noted that it also does pet cremations. He said Gates offered an apology to military families for the insensitivity.

Morrell said there is "absolutely no evidence whatsoever at this point that any human remains were at all ever mistreated, or ever not cremated where they were supposed to be cremated. That said, the secretary believes that is it inappropriate, even if permissible under the rules and regulations, to cremate our fallen, our heroes, in a facility that also cremates pets."

The Dover Air Force Base Port Mortuary, where all troops' remains arrive from the battlefield, does not have its own crematorium, so it contracts with two funeral homes for the cremations: Torbert Funeral Chapel and Pippens Funeral Home.

Pippens' crematorium is located at the funeral home and is used only for human remains, while Torbert's has incinerators for both human and animal remains.

While most facilities don't advertise the fact that they handle both human and animal remains, there is a sign near the Torbert crematory advertising the "Friends Forever Pet Cremation Service."

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Officials said there are three incinerators at the Torbert facility, and two are used for humans, while one is used for pets. The human and pet facilities are separated by about 20 feet.

Air Force Lt. Gen. Frank Klotz, Air Force staff director, told Pentagon reporters that it is not uncommon for crematoriums to provide both services.

Klotz said the issue came to light Friday when an officer who works in the Pentagon went to Dover to pay respects to a fallen comrade who was being cremated. The soldier noticed the pet cremations sign, and was concerned about the fact that the facility handled both human and animal remains.

The officer alerted senior officials at the Pentagon, who notified Capitol Hill and quickly pulled together the policy changes. Arizona Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, sent a letter to Gates calling the report "very disturbing."

Bill Torbert, president of Torbert Funeral Chapel, said a representative from Dover Air Force Base visited a crematory run by his company earlier this week, but was satisfied there was nothing amiss.

Torbert said the human and pet crematories are in adjoining buildings on the same property but have separate entrances. A sign advertising pet cremation services is in front of the Friends Forever office, but there are no signs on the building housing the human crematory facilities, which Torbert said are not used for cremation of pets.

"We do a lot of work with the military," he said. "We service them very well."

Gates has directed David Chu, the undersecretary of defense for personnel, to conduct a review of Defense Department policies and practices governing the cremation and handling of remains of service members.

To date, Dover's port mortuary has processed 4,608 remains, but the Pentagon was not immediately able to say how many of those were cremations, and how many were handled by either Pippens or Torbert rather than service members' hometown facilities. Lt. Chris Sukach, spokeswoman for the Dover base, had no immediate comment and referred questions to Pentagon officials.

Klotz said the military has used the two Delaware facilities since about 2001, and neither one, on its own, can meet the Pentagon's needs in the time required. He said he plans to go to Dover on Saturday to speak with officials about the matter.

The Pentagon is recommending changes in the handling of troops' remains, after it was revealed that a crematorium contracted by the military handles both human and animal cremations. A military offic...
The Pentagon is recommending changes in the handling of troops' remains, after it was revealed that a crematorium contracted by the military handles both human and animal cremations. A military offic...
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- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 100 fans permalink

Not surprising when you consider how the military uses the soldiers like junkyard guard dogs..They do with them what they want, ignoring end of contract dates, assigning them repeated and inhumane multiple stop loss engagements, lack of humane protections , i.e. the recent electocutions,lack of medical care, unarmored Humvees, and lack of kevlar vests,contaminated water .To the government they are just big pit bulls to station where they will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 05/10/2008
- fcsakes I'm a Fan of fcsakes 89 fans permalink
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So what? Another non issue to create a stir about? Nothing else going on in the world?

If you want to show respect for someone, do it while they are alive. Dead, buried, cremated; they could care less - it means absolutely nothing - build a pyre and burn them in the front yard.

Anyone who has ever had a pet or relative, friend, whatever cremated knows they are getting ashes back that represent that loved person or pet. They are told that *other* ashes might be mixed in. What the hell difference does it make in a country where we send our young people to be slaughtered for oil? If you want to show respect for people, you don't send them to kill other people over oil. Gasp! Oh my gosh, there might be a flake of fido mixed in with "our hero."

This is so stupid I can't believe it made it into Huffpo. Or maybe I can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 05/10/2008
- Faxus I'm a Fan of Faxus 13 fans permalink
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I agree completely but the news has been so dull lately that they have to run something, otherwise the site would be blank. I'm just happy that we haven't had any mass murders or celebrity suicides or plane crashes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 05/10/2008

"What the hell difference does it make in a country where we send our young people to be slaughtered for oil? If you want to show respect for people, you don't send them to kill other people over oil."

You can say that again!

"McCain sent a letter to Gates calling the report 'very disturbing'."

Allow me to tell McCain what's EVEN MORE "very disturbing"...
... that he would oppose a bipartisan measure to expand college tuition benefits for military veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan, to ensure that troops DO NOT leave the military earlier than planned to go to college.

"I'm a consistent supporter of educational benefits for the men and women of the military. I want to make sure that we have incentives for people to remain in the military, as well as for people to join the military."

McCain's just making sure people remain in the military, till DEATH do them part. And THEN McCain will make sure their LIFELESS BODIES are well taken care of. I suppose it's better late than never?

OBAMA '08!
HOPE & CHANGE!

Stay safe, healthy and happy,
Love, Loretta

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 05/10/2008
- numbnuts I'm a Fan of numbnuts 10 fans permalink
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It sure as Hell does matter.
It Matters to their families.
It's tough enough losing your loved one.
The whole situation sucks to begin with. Let's not make it any harder then it already is!
Ever hear of Respect!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 05/10/2008

Might be a bit off track here, but has anyone read "The American Way of Death" by Jessica Mitford? That is a book which shows the whole profiteering by the funeral industry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 05/10/2008

PaulUK, yes, I read it in a college sociology class, "Death and Dying". That industry is based on greed just as is everything else in a capitalist society. Our class visited a mortuary/crematorium. The anteroom to the oven was filled with unlabeled boxes of cremains. About 5 pounds of ash and bone are left after burning, so anyone who gets only ashes of a loved one might be getting what was swept up off of the floor. Sorry to say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 05/10/2008
- PatA I'm a Fan of PatA 53 fans permalink
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Excuse me? I believe that the bigger problem here is what is killing our troops. The soldiers can stand in raw sewage to use the bathroom, have their body parts blown off and as in the case of my nephew, get killed over oil and now Gates takes the time out to publicly discuss the cremations.
Fix the problem and then end the war. (umm, the lie)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 05/10/2008
- NoahVail I'm a Fan of NoahVail 59 fans permalink
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A good point. I think the Christian fanatics over here are really not much different than the Islamic fanatics that we are supposedly fighting. In both cases, these religious extremists are seeking "an honorable death." Believe me, there is nothing honorable about dying in a war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 05/10/2008
- Faxus I'm a Fan of Faxus 13 fans permalink
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They are not Christians. Call the anything you like, liars, thieves, anything but Christians.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 05/10/2008
- cuzkate I'm a Fan of cuzkate 3 fans permalink

To solve the problem: (after the wedding,ofcourse) this entire administration
should be dragged out in cuffs, put on big yellow buses and taken to any-
place local that has steel bars and big ugly guards. Next: The entire
Pentagon should be shrink wrapped for the foreseeable future. The troops
alive or ashes can come home where they BELONG!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 05/10/2008
- Vurz I'm a Fan of Vurz 19 fans permalink
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According to the story, the pets are cremated in a specific oven that is separated from the ovens used to cremate humans. I do not see how this can be seen in any way as disrespecting our troops. It has nothing to do with them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 05/10/2008
- Faxus I'm a Fan of Faxus 13 fans permalink
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Desperate to cause controversy I guess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 05/10/2008
- Graywolf48 I'm a Fan of Graywolf48 81 fans permalink
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This is not uncommon. Funeral homes and crematoriums around the nation cremate both human and animals (pets) routinely. A local Funeral Home cremated one of my dogs just recently and I have her remains in an urn in my home office. What's the big deal? For those that believe in an after life, the soul has already gone on to another place, wherever that may be. And for those that don't believe in an afterlife usually don't care what happens to their remains. I can't see the big deal. Just so long as they bury Bush and Cheney in marked graves so I might have an opportunity to piss on them. The graves that is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 05/10/2008
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Our soldiers have the weapons, the know how and the motive to demand respect. Hmmm.... I'm getting an idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 AM on 05/10/2008
- NoahVail I'm a Fan of NoahVail 59 fans permalink
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I think a common theme is that when the troops come home after a long, unpopular, foreign war, they often foment a revolution. France, Russia, Rome... I am sure there are other examples.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 05/10/2008

Well, in modern times, its more like Tim McVay, killing their girlfriends, massacring a convenience store, and committing suicide.

Bring our troops home? With so much post traumatic stress, the horrific things that we've made them do, do you really want 200,000 of them home?

And then what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 05/10/2008
- shengirl I'm a Fan of shengirl 10 fans permalink

When a flood of troops return after a long war and there are no jobs, not enough food, etc. We had the GI Bill after WW II, so it didn't happen here. Our troops in this war are on a continuing rotation [sometimes continuing for 5, 6, 7 tours of duty] so we aren't being flooded with a sudden surge of deactivated troops. But still, our military returning need help to get back to a normal life-- hence Sen. Webb's bill, which is being fought by most of the Repubs in Congress. All he asks is for the same benefits for these soldiers that other soldiers have gotten. The Pentagon doesn't like it because if we made returning to civilian life too nice, many would not re-up. People, we have a lot more important things to worry about for our troops than that some have been cremated at the same business address as pets. That's all it is. The same business address. Meanwhile the living soldiers cannot get adequate body armor or mental health care, they're being billed to pay back money from the government, their VA hospitals are too often falling apart. And this non-story now has everybody's attention. Right after the recent revelation [on video by a soldier's Dad] that VA hospitals are cesspools unfit for human habitation. Do you think the timing is a coincidence? How long ago was the crematory issue-- Feb? But they come out with it now? IT'S A DIVERSION, PEOPLE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 05/10/2008
- NoahVail I'm a Fan of NoahVail 59 fans permalink
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I think it would be OK to be cremated with your own dog, but not with someone else's dog. And certainly not with cats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 AM on 05/10/2008

but the humans and animals are being cremated in separate areas.... separated by 20 feet.

why would they go about mixing up the ashes? that doesn't even make sense.... they'd have to go really out of their way to fuck up... and even if they did.... somehow, out of a freak accident of recklessness.... would anybody know?

i can undersatnd being offended if animals and humans are burned on the same incinerator... but they're completely separated.

i might be offended if a was burned next to an animal... but offended if my body was burned in the same building as a an animal... 20 feet away from my body?

that's kind of silly

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 AM on 05/10/2008
- NoahVail I'm a Fan of NoahVail 59 fans permalink
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Its all superstition, isn't it? I mean, after you are dead and cremated, what use are the ashes? Are these going to help some young kid learn how to play baseball? Support a young wife? Tell stories to the grand kids? No, I am afraid these ashes are of no use to anyone, except maybe a president who wants to convince someone that their loved one died for some moral purpose.

"When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it."
—Dwight D. Eisenhower

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 05/10/2008
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lol. Awwww, I love my cat, as well as my dog, but I wouldn't want to be cremated with either...

I also don't like sharing milk from the same glass with any one of my kids or husband. But that's just me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 05/10/2008
- NoahVail I'm a Fan of NoahVail 59 fans permalink
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Not to be too morbid, but you know if you drop dead your cat will eat you. Your dog, on the other hand, will lie down with your dead body until you start to rot. Cats just co-exist with us. My wife is always incensed after she has been out of town for a few days and realizes that the cats take up with me just as much as her after I start feeding them.

I am definitely with you on the sharing of milk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 AM on 05/10/2008

really though? you could've posted something substantive... like a comparison of mccain and obama on a very specific issue... listing the policy of both.

but instead we got drudge report caliber fluff like this.

is this really a big deal?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 AM on 05/10/2008
- Faxus I'm a Fan of Faxus 13 fans permalink
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It's call Huffington Post, where news is whatever they can find in a hurry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 05/10/2008
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Wow, after all the contractor abuses and fraud resulting in troop deaths and injuries, American taxpayers getting ripped off by the billions, crappy vet hospitals, not showing flag draped coffins, blaming the soldiers instead of those in charge for prisoner abuses and now cremating solders with animals... Just who I wonder is it g-damning America, again?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 AM on 05/10/2008
- NoahVail I'm a Fan of NoahVail 59 fans permalink
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It sounds like you have not had your full dose of propaganda- or have you been reading news from unauthorized sources? I'll bet you have been reading George Orwell again, haven't you? Remember, 2 + 2 = 5

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 AM on 05/10/2008
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Ahhh, that wouldn't be Clinton math, would it? lol

Actually, I was posting to the hearings on contractor abuses and fraud that were covered on C-spand, specifically Halliburton and KBR, but the MSM didn't cover them...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 05/10/2008
- cuzkate I'm a Fan of cuzkate 3 fans permalink

SouthpawSass, It is a big deal if it is your kid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 05/10/2008
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Absolutely it is...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 05/10/2008
- shengirl I'm a Fan of shengirl 10 fans permalink

NOBODY IS BEING CREMATED WITH ANIMALS!! The hysteria on this topic is astounding. Face it, Americans know nothIng about what goes on at funeral homes, yet now everybody is suddenly an expert. Only ONE human at a time is cremated. With pets [IN A DIFFERENT FURNACE] you can have yours done by itself, or with other animals. You can have the ashes returned to you, if it is just your pet, or some of the "group" ashes. Or they will scatter the pet's ashes for you. PEOPLE ARE NOT CREMATED WITH ANIMALS. And the platform is cleaned off after each use. There might be a bit of residue from previous cremations [animal or human], but you do not get a mix of ashes, unless you opt for a group PET cremation [which is cheaper than an individual one]. Would it kill anyone to get their facts straight before they spout off? Maybe you all have a mental image of a Nazi oven, with corpses crammed in there. It's not like that AT ALL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 05/10/2008
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Try reading about abuses and fraud cases by the no bid contractors and maybe you'd be less likely to defend this story. Actually, we really don't know what they're doing with the bodies... But after reading and watching other abuse and fraud cases and hearings, I no longer have the luxury of believing they wouldn't do something like that to those soldiers.

Consider it another casualty of the Iraq war... mistrust of our government intermingling with corporations, intermingling with our military commanders...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 05/10/2008
- Colmore I'm a Fan of Colmore 45 fans permalink

A few years ago my son had to have his #140 Rottweiler put to sleep. He had bone cancer. He waited weeks for the cremains to show up. The vet informed him that the crematorium had LOST the ashes!! How many of the military families are getting the cremains of their actual relatives, and not just any ashes? This administration is worse than the Nixon administration even thought of being, yet they keep on getting away with everything. Too bad they are not Democrats, their every move would be a reason for an in-depth investigation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 AM on 05/10/2008
- shengirl I'm a Fan of shengirl 10 fans permalink

That can happen in any business. I have had 6 dogs cremated and never had a problem. It's better to do it locally, if possible. I'm sorry for your son's loss of his dog.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 05/10/2008
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 109 fans permalink
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It happens more frequently when that business is like a processing plant. I wouldn't trust Bu$hco or its friends futher than I could throw 'em.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 05/10/2008
- gorgol I'm a Fan of gorgol 39 fans permalink

Now now...nothing wrong with this....someone is saving taxpayer money...so...so...even more can go into the pockets of Bush Buddy Contractors. I'm surprised no ones thought about just telling the families they were cremated, filling the boxes with ashes from the fire places of Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush, and dumping the bodies in secret landfills....AND THE HORROR CONTINUES...PRISON FOR THE BUSHIES...PRISON FOR LIFE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 AM on 05/10/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 271 fans permalink

Someone please turn off that flashing, red "Distraction" light... it's distracting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 AM on 05/10/2008
- shengirl I'm a Fan of shengirl 10 fans permalink

Exactly...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 05/10/2008
- indypete I'm a Fan of indypete 159 fans permalink
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Let me see if I've got this .... the administration sends our kids to die for ooil profit and the army doesn't say a word but the bodies of some of the poor schmucks (who are already dead and probably died in some horrible way and horrible fear and pain) are cremated 20 feet from the puppy oven and it's the end of the world?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 AM on 05/10/2008
- Ndw I'm a Fan of Ndw 10 fans permalink
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There are a lot of issues I consider worse than this - such as how veterans are treated, the care they receive - both emotional & physical, & their financial benefits. This is just a dramatic story bent on emotion, which makes it as cheap as any other fear tactic.

They're not tossing them out back with dead dogs. They're using a crematorium, that also handles pets. I assume this is often the case, soldiers or not, and really.... big deal. Crematoriums DO mix ashes - if you don't like it, be buried instead. But among all the other problems, I can't say I'd hold this one against the government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 AM on 05/10/2008
- peepeeray I'm a Fan of peepeeray 2 fans permalink
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Humans and animals at the same crematorium. Wow. Next headline will be "Cow manure keeps grass green at Arlington National Cemetary!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 AM on 05/10/2008
- naschkatze I'm a Fan of naschkatze 98 fans permalink

This is common practice across the country. How many funeral homes for pets are there for Christ's sake? Although you can never rule out exceptions, I think most crematoria make certain that animals and humans are kept separate, and I would imaging that there are inspections and rules set up by each state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 05/10/2008
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