US Makes Changes To Cremations For Slain Troops

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The Pentagon is recommending changes in the handling of troops' remains, after it was revealed that a crematorium contracted by the military handles both human and animal cremations.

A military official said there have been no instances or charges that human and pet remains were mixed. But officials are now recommending that troops' remains be incinerated only at facilities that are dedicated entirely to humans, in order to avoid any appearance of a problem. Or, officials said, families can opt to have a relative's remains sent to a local funeral home for cremation, which would be paid for by the military.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates believed the earlier situation was "insensitive and entirely inappropriate for the dignified treatment of our fallen," said Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell.

"Our heroes deserve to be better treated than that," Morrell said, adding that a sign at one of the crematoriums noted that it also does pet cremations. He said Gates offered an apology to military families for the insensitivity.

Morrell said there is "absolutely no evidence whatsoever at this point that any human remains were at all ever mistreated, or ever not cremated where they were supposed to be cremated. That said, the secretary believes that is it inappropriate, even if permissible under the rules and regulations, to cremate our fallen, our heroes, in a facility that also cremates pets."

The Dover Air Force Base Port Mortuary, where all troops' remains arrive from the battlefield, does not have its own crematorium, so it contracts with two funeral homes for the cremations: Torbert Funeral Chapel and Pippens Funeral Home.

Pippens' crematorium is located at the funeral home and is used only for human remains, while Torbert's has incinerators for both human and animal remains.

While most facilities don't advertise the fact that they handle both human and animal remains, there is a sign near the Torbert crematory advertising the "Friends Forever Pet Cremation Service."

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Officials said there are three incinerators at the Torbert facility, and two are used for humans, while one is used for pets. The human and pet facilities are separated by about 20 feet.

Air Force Lt. Gen. Frank Klotz, Air Force staff director, told Pentagon reporters that it is not uncommon for crematoriums to provide both services.

Klotz said the issue came to light Friday when an officer who works in the Pentagon went to Dover to pay respects to a fallen comrade who was being cremated. The soldier noticed the pet cremations sign, and was concerned about the fact that the facility handled both human and animal remains.

The officer alerted senior officials at the Pentagon, who notified Capitol Hill and quickly pulled together the policy changes. Arizona Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, sent a letter to Gates calling the report "very disturbing."

Bill Torbert, president of Torbert Funeral Chapel, said a representative from Dover Air Force Base visited a crematory run by his company earlier this week, but was satisfied there was nothing amiss.

Torbert said the human and pet crematories are in adjoining buildings on the same property but have separate entrances. A sign advertising pet cremation services is in front of the Friends Forever office, but there are no signs on the building housing the human crematory facilities, which Torbert said are not used for cremation of pets.

"We do a lot of work with the military," he said. "We service them very well."

Gates has directed David Chu, the undersecretary of defense for personnel, to conduct a review of Defense Department policies and practices governing the cremation and handling of remains of service members.

To date, Dover's port mortuary has processed 4,608 remains, but the Pentagon was not immediately able to say how many of those were cremations, and how many were handled by either Pippens or Torbert rather than service members' hometown facilities. Lt. Chris Sukach, spokeswoman for the Dover base, had no immediate comment and referred questions to Pentagon officials.

Klotz said the military has used the two Delaware facilities since about 2001, and neither one, on its own, can meet the Pentagon's needs in the time required. He said he plans to go to Dover on Saturday to speak with officials about the matter.

The Pentagon is recommending changes in the handling of troops' remains, after it was revealed that a crematorium contracted by the military handles both human and animal cremations. A military offic...
The Pentagon is recommending changes in the handling of troops' remains, after it was revealed that a crematorium contracted by the military handles both human and animal cremations. A military offic...
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Am I the only American loved one who neither cares what happens to my body after I die, nor cares about the corpses of any of my dead relatives?

We honor our dead through our services and our memories. WHo cares about the ashes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 05/10/2008
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 83 fans permalink
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Depends on the person(s) involved. Would you want to impose your view on those who disagree? Would you want you desire to be buried/cremated (whatever) overruled by the government making these decisions?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 AM on 05/10/2008

Of course if the deceased or his/her family care about such things it makes sense to make sure their wishes are honored - but my point is that to me this seems like a trivial thing for family members to worry about. The dead are dead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 05/10/2008
- FlyingLow I'm a Fan of FlyingLow 2 fans permalink

Why is this a problem? I would be HONORED to be cremated in the same location as my dogs. SHAME on those troops who consider that a dishonor. Since when do humans treat each other with the same love as our pets treat us?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 05/10/2008

Too bad our pets don't run the government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 05/10/2008
- howdydostu I'm a Fan of howdydostu 4 fans permalink
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We wholeheartedly agree!!!
Our pets are going with us. How can we humans be so vain as to whip a horse to death to win a race?!
And, no, we are not members of PETA......­.yet.
Stuart & Robert Wyman-Cahall
Las Veags, NV 89142

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 05/10/2008
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See what happens when you out source a War.
How disgusting look what happens when you try to save a couple of bucks.
Its not worth it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 05/10/2008

Love your nick.

I've always thought of Jesus as the first not-for-profit prophet.

heh heh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 05/10/2008
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Lol.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 05/10/2008
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

When you see these guys with their shiny flag lapel pins and mouths full of patriotic slogans, and you hear them tell you how only their party supports our troops and the other party really doesn't, think ....

About this

About starting wars for no reason

Inadequate equipment

Bone - headed plans (with no exit)

Unsafe drinking warer

Inadequate post service medical care

But on the other hand, remember those solicitous words of your Vice President- They volunteered.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 05/10/2008
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"But on the other hand, remember those solicitous words of your Vice President- They volunteere­d."

If you would quote our Dear Leader "Deadeye Dick" Cheney, quote him correctly,

"So?"

Add to your list defective body armour

No-bid contracts

Billions in taxpayer *cash* missing and unaccounted for in Iraq

Mercenaries

Cheney crony KBR serving contaminated water and rotting food to our troops.

An apparent suicide epidemic amongst returning vets.

An entire MN National Guard unit deliberately issued orders one day short denying them educational benefits upon their return.

A war for oil and empire launched and sustained by over 900+ *documented* lies about WMDs and debunked claims of connections between Saddam Hussein and 9/11.

Hell, let's just toss in the actual "family values" performance record of the Bushevik GOP while we're at it:

http://www.armchairsubversive.org

"Family values" like the locals in THE HILLS HAVE EYES.

Real "support our troops" kinda guy, that Cheney.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 05/10/2008
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

Your additional items just show how much one Party supports our troops.

Frankly, with all they've done, I think they've earned the right to wear two flag lapel pins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 05/10/2008
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 83 fans permalink
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The food/water issue esp. (could add the electrocutions, too, as an extra modern problem) reminds me of "Battleship Potemkin. Makes me wonder why these guys never mutiny, frankly. Sounds worse than Captn Bleigh, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 AM on 05/10/2008

Yep. Talk about your "dogs of war"...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 05/10/2008
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

Of course, many who post here don't see the logic behind this step.

War is costly, particularly with all those no bid contracts and the paying of Blackwater mercenaries $100K per month.

So some cost cutting is warranted.

Next step - we'll give our returning servicemen the finest medical care - at Dr. Sam the Pet Doctor.

The free market has a solution every time!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 05/10/2008
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you gotta be fucking joking here. Who cares if someones dog was cooked in the same oven. The insensitive indignity was letting these soldiers get killed for the Neocon's ego's in the first place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 05/10/2008
- Irons I'm a Fan of Irons 2 fans permalink

Heckuva job, Military Goofballs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 05/10/2008
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This sounds like the type of story popular in the 19th century, passed around by graveyards, about how crematoriums accepted business both from whites and blacks, and if you used it, YOUR ASHES MAY GET MIXED TOGETHER WITH THOSE OF NEGROS FOR ALL ETERNITY. Who cares??????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 05/10/2008
- WRPrintz I'm a Fan of WRPrintz 12 fans permalink

Exactly. When you are dead, your dead. The only reason this is an issue is that people are stupid enough to worry about it, and think it is an issue. It shows flawed reason, not that it is wrong to have cremations at the same place where animals are cremated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 05/10/2008

thanks! its nice to read the sane every once and a while :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 05/10/2008
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 83 fans permalink
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I knew Bu$hco was being cheap regarding the soldiers, but not THIS cheap. Sheesh. What's next? We gonna find soldier remains littered around a site uncremated with bogus "remains" passed off as theirs?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 05/10/2008
- DrDemon I'm a Fan of DrDemon 8 fans permalink
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"What's next? We gonna find soldier remains littered around a site uncremated with bogus "remains" passed off as theirs?"

You wouldn't be suprised; would you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 05/10/2008
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 83 fans permalink
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You read about that "facility" in Georgia (I think)? I thought I was shock proof. I dunno.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 AM on 05/10/2008
- TXfemmom I'm a Fan of TXfemmom 192 fans permalink

Give me a break. The funeral business has been demonstrated to be so corrupt that one would be totally stupid to think that the crematorium would not throw in a pet with every body to cut their costs.

I am very cynical about such things, but almost every time I am cynical about something, it turns out that I was true in being cynical and they were screwing with things.

In England, when they have funerals with crematians taking place, they have a service with a thin coffin with the body, and the body goes into the crematorium with the family there, at the end of the service, so the family knows that their loved one didn't get put in with another body or spot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 05/10/2008
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 83 fans permalink
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Does the family still get the option of witnessing the coffin go into the retort (the furnace)? I didn't know what the policy is. I do know they are kinda small so it'd be hard to "double up" on cremations. There was a case reported to the Home Secretary (maybe 1920s) about a baby cremated with an unrelated person but I only saw one case.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 AM on 05/10/2008
- shengirl I'm a Fan of shengirl 10 fans permalink

This is such a lame story, and a non-issue. Morticians are extremely careful with the remains that have been entrusted to them. Those who also cremate pets have separate facilities for humans and pets. They take no chances. And why should they use a facility large enough for a 180 pound human [and the costs in energy required to operate it], to cremate a 10 pound cat or a 20 pound poodle? The facilities they use for pets are smaller. Period. Some well-meaning soldier who did not understand the details of cremations got upset. But for the military and now the media to go off in full cry is inexcusable. Nothing but a knee-jerk reaction rooted in lack of knowledge of how cremations are done. They're not just shoveling in people, dogs, cats, guinea pigs, pet goats, and parakeets willy-nilly. Geez. Get a grip!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 05/09/2008
- forpeace I'm a Fan of forpeace 305 fans permalink
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shengirl
This is such a lame story, and a non-issue.­.........N­othing but a knee-jerk reaction rooted in lack of knowledge of how cremations are done......­.Geez. Get a grip!
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Of course it is a lame story and non-issue for people like you with no sense of compassion towards humans!

Your lack of knowledge and understanding of what their families are going through is unbelievable.

Get a grip and wake up!

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 05/10/2008
- stavros I'm a Fan of stavros 5 fans permalink

I would rather be cremated with animals than with this current supposed national guardsman that tries to run this country.
All dogs go to heaven.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 05/10/2008

compassion towards humans? what the hell does...

its just amazing how many times we have to hear things like "wake up" from the Comatose

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 05/10/2008
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Sorry, but there have been many cases proving conclusively that at least some people involved in the funeral business don't give a damn about "the remains that have been entrusted to them". Some of those cases have been truly horrific (bodies thrown on top of one another in the same casket, for example, and plots that go untended for a few years being re-sold...­check it out for yourself). Those cases are a matter of record.

While I would never suggest that all those involved in the funeral industry are so disrespectful, you're completely incorrect to assume that everything's just fine and dandy.

The army is doing the right thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 05/10/2008
- stavros I'm a Fan of stavros 5 fans permalink

Good point!
Well repeated on many other blogs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 05/10/2008

Sorry Shennigansirl, I don't buy this as a knee jerk reaction. When I first heard this today my guttural reaction had to be explained to my 7 year old son. It is not like I can take my cat Fuzzylikkins to the funeral home and have it baked to a fine dust to sprinkle over my roses and then take my Great Uncle Rodney and do the same. I certainly hope that the funeral homes have one for pets and one for adults, really there should be no doubt. From the few I have dealt with I trust most morticians about as far as I can throw a burial contract made into a paper airplane, our soldiers deserve better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 05/10/2008

BOLLOCKS!

If you believe morticians "are extremely careful", you're woefully unfamiliar with last year's conviction of a crematorium operator in Georgia.

Do your homework.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 05/10/2008
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Show your neighbors and friends that you support our veterans, and want Senator McCain to do the same, by signing onto the 21st Century GI Bill. Send us a picture of where you post it, and we might just feature it on our blog!

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 05/09/2008
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This is how this Shameless Administration and it's Freaking Followers treat American Soldiers, the exact same way the treat the Vets.

This is how THE most powerful country on earth creates Illegal Invasions and treats his Vets:

http://therealmccain.com/gibill/

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 05/09/2008

How many of us want to even THINK about our families being creamated with pets? Why does the funeral home have to advertise pet cremations right next to where they do services for the military. Even IF nothing is amiss at that funeral home, it is insensitive and disrespectful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 05/09/2008
- shengirl I'm a Fan of shengirl 10 fans permalink

It's also how more and more funeral homes make a lot of money, there is a huge market for people who want their beloved pets cremated, so they can keep them with them, take them when they move, etc. We all don't still live on farms anymore, where we can bury Fido and Fluffy. What's the option? Have the city pick them up and render them into soap? I have had 6 of my dogs cremated and I am truly glad I have that option. And it was done respectfully and kindly by the funeral home [whose owners own dogs themselves, they know how it feels to lose a beloved pet].

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 05/10/2008

What is so disrespectful? Not trying to be disagreeable, but when someone is dead and their body is going to be burned to nothing, but ashes, is it really disrespectful that someone's beloved pet had also been burned to ashes there?

Are humans not also animals? Are animals so inferior that our dead and rotting corpses can't even be burned to ashe in the same place that an animal's carcas was burned?

This stuff is getting way too overthought.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 05/10/2008
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 83 fans permalink
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Usually such sites are separate. In Britain, this would probably never happen because cremation facilities are often owned by munipalities or controlled more strictly by the Home Secretary. There are a lot of questions raised here in terms of what the profit motive of American crematoria actually provides. I highly doubt any mortuary would advertise a potential to commingle pet and human remains. Why don't you ask some ppl to see if they feel it is disrespectful or not. And include some funeral directors. The question is do they promise one thing and do another.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 AM on 05/10/2008
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exactly, why is this even an issue. I love pets so why would I care if I was cremated in the same oven that someone's beloved pet was. I would be honored.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 05/10/2008
- FlyingLow I'm a Fan of FlyingLow 2 fans permalink

I agree. People who are upset by this have never owned a dog or a cat. We are animals no different than those we "own." I love my dogs as I do my own children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 05/10/2008

Bush is sh!t, but as an animal lover I'd be honored to be cremated with other animals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 05/09/2008
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I wish that this was the worst problem of the Iraqi War/ Occupation.
My daughter's service & Post Tramatic Stress Syndrome seems much more significant to me.
Those that have lost a loved one in this un-justified cluster-fuck must WISH that this was thier biggest complaint.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 05/09/2008
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bmermaid
Those that have lost a loved one in this un-justified cluster-fuck must WISH that this was thier biggest complaint.
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All I can say is that I am so sorry about your daughter.

But any news about this Illegal Invasion is just heart breaking and makes me so angry and NO ONE is doing anything about it, that's frustrating.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 05/09/2008
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