Clinton Diehards Outraged By Calls To Drop Out

Washington Post:

They traveled here from New York, Pennsylvania and Indiana last week to stand in the rain on a rural street corner, at a four-way intersection of winding mountain roads. One woman, a doctor, took vacation time from her job to make the trip. Another, a mother of three, hired a babysitter for the first time in months.

The 10 volunteers, linked by a resolve to keep Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign alive by helping her win Tuesday's West Virginia primary, met to wave campaign signs patched together with duct tape. They cheered as the first car, a beat-up white Volvo, rolled toward the intersection, and a young man in aviator sunglasses leaned out his driver's-side window.

"Hey," he said. "Don't you think you're wasting your time?"

Clinton's most loyal supporters -- the ones still standing on street corners -- have adopted their candidate's motto, even as she trails Sen. Barack Obama by an insurmountable margin in pledged delegates: to fight like hell, despite dim odds and denigration, until someone officially wins the Democratic nomination.

Read the whole story: Washington Post

Comments

[Harrier]

If they are so confident I guess the next question would be is why is it Clinton is has not given up here Senator seat to run for President and forget the remaining distractions? loyal minions looking for a winning cause that will never come for them

[the964kid]

I'm outraged that so many people are so stupid. Hillary: it's over. Hillary supporters: it's over.

[Americanium]

Oh boy!! Psychologists gonna be in great demand come June 30.

The stages of grief are yet to kick in!!

[newshawk14]

This article is really a continuation of an earlier one called "Analysis: Democrats quietly send
word to Clinton, it's over. Since it seems, that a lot of people haven't got the message I'll repost.

I'm afraid the only way Hillary will get the message, is when a stake is finally driven through her
cold dead heart. Where is Van Helsing, when we need him?

[Countdown09]

You know what newshawk14? I'm an Obama supporter who feels every time I see a comment like this it will cause one more Hillary supporter to stay home in November. He's won the nomination don't you think it's time we fight McCain now and stop fighting the war we've won.

[newshawk14]

I basically agree with you countdown09, but take a look at the Huff Po article, Carl
Bernstein: Clinton Campaign Still Searching for "Damaging Info" on Obama. I
would also direct you to a link by Robert Parry, one of Americas leading
investigative reporters. http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/050308.html
I feel Hillary's campaign has nothing to do with feminism, but with a naked
and ugly lust for power. I do think the Clintons need to be rapidly led off stage,
before they do any more damage to the democratic party.

[Jazzcomedian]

I'm independent, though I'm glad that Obama will be the nominee. I'd like to see a different type of politics and effective government in Washington--if that is indeed possible. We'll see. I don't get emotionally involved with politicians as the reality of the business and the fact that they are all mortal makes that a recipe for disappointment. Plus the Republican philosophies are too cold-bloooded for me so I wouldn't vote for McCain if you put a gun to my head. That's a lie. If someone put a gun to my head, I'd vote for whomever they wanted. But so far, no gun to my head--so a Dem vote is safe.
I've been reading this site since Obama's thoughtful race speech which caught my attention, and I've noted that Obama supporters are called "Obamabots, and Obamacons" by the Clinton supporters, who are in turn called "Clintonistas" by the Obama supporters. What I find ironic and puzzling is that the Obama supporters have been far and away the most vitriolic on these boards, even though Obama to me is the epitome of the classy, cool, and conciliatory "new politics:, while Clinton who has typified the rough, dirty, "old politics", has the more civil supporters--on this board, and the NY Times and Wahington Post blogs, I've perused. Can someone shed some light on that contradiction for me?

[IslandGyal]

Jazzcomedian,
I think what you perceive as vitriolic is the frustration of dealing with people who are clearly self deluded and possessing faulty logic. They come on here and rather have a discourse on issues, they continually posts the same irrational messages over and over. They provided no specifics to their assertions that Senator Obama is not qualified. They marginalize him and try to smear with by trying to link him to Muslim terrorists. They never provided specifics as to what is Hillary Clinton's experience that they deem gives her the edge on him. But, for me personally, their lack of reasoning skills, when trying to say Senator is not qualified, is what irks me.

Also, the Hillary Clinton supporters are quick to point out all Senator Obama’s faults but refuse to accept that Hillary Clinton is a liar, duplicitous, untrustworthy, disingenuous, controlling, insidious, deceitful, ingratiating, and a host of other negative adjectives.

[Testtubebaby]

Some people will fall for anything. Sh*t there's always a winner and a loser...like damn. Obama's supporters would have been just as disappointed and then we would hear the same f-ed up platitudes for her supporters. Sheesh!

[Countdown09]

I think there came point in this contest that some supporters on both sides started to take this way to personal, it's become about them, they feel they are losing and winning. Time to come back to earth people this ain't about you.

[ohmercy]

You are absolutely correct.
When one is on the receiving end of vicious and stinging attacks for almost a year though it is understandable. Plus when someone sees their candidate slandered and maligned, distorted and attacked so unfairly it becomes exhausting and for those who are deeply involved in or committed to justice, no matter who their candidate is the injustice of the anti Clinton bias and propaganda actually hurts. Physically.
People can laugh and joke and make fun of it but I see it and feel it. I was an avid Obama supporter and campaigner but I had to drop out, my physical being felt assaulted after awhile by the hate mongering going on. Of course the supporters are not the reason to support or not support a candidate but they do create an atmosphere in the trenches. I would have just left the trenches and still supported Obama but there were reasons for my moving away and into neutral... and after awhile becoming a Clinton supporter. There is no point in talking about those reasons since it will only invite attack and not discussion or conversation and I've had enough.

[Countdown09]

I think what all supporters need to realize and accept is there has been bad behavior from each sides supporters. I do admit the at one point I starting down the HIllary bashing road but it wasn't because of her supporters it was the tactics she used, I have a strong sense of playing fair. But again when I realized I was taking it like she was attacking me personally it was time to chill out and remember what this is about, which is a democratic HAS to be the next President regardless.

[Testtubebaby]

No point in saying you are a lying whatever. You were always a Hillary supporter. Writing this bs as if. Please.

[nibblybits]

I feel for these ladies. They are working hard and are having a hard time with their disappointment. I only wish Hillary were worthy of their concern and devotion. It's obvious that these ladies have projected their own feminist ambitions onto Hillary, who is so far from their ideals. This is a woman who barely has any experience, has ridden on her husband's coattails as a career and stood by while her husband victimized women his whole adult life. Hopefully, the women in this article will realize that just being a woman doesn't qualify one to be a feminist icon.

Hillary doesn't deserve them.

[ohmercy]

Thank you so much for your patronization.
I'm sure these "ladies" will be relieved to know how mistaken they are.
Its so terrible that 50 percent of the voting public cannot see clearly the evil and deviousness of Hillary Clinton. I mean the media sees it and if the media sees it and says it then we know its true, right?

Christ.

[nibblybits]

You're welcome.
I admire the ladies, though not their cause. They are better than the person they're fighting for.

[IslandGyal]

ohmercy,
I am starting to think you people are paid actors, because there is no way, you all could say what you just posted with a straight face; you must be getting paid.

[Rmchairphilo]

It's kind of sad. These are the kind of people who have never learned to accept that they don't always win. The kinds of people whose parents challenged referees in little league games.

[ohmercy]

awwww,
Don't be sad for Clinton supporters sweetie.
I think you might do better by making an effort to actually be civil and engage them in conversation rather than projecting what is in your own self onto them.

[GoodGuysandBadGuys]

it sure is interesting to hear the hillary supporters complaining about the behavior and abrasiveness of the obama supporters. it just never dawns on them that the nasty tactics used by their candidate could be the reason.

are they completely oblivious to the slimy methods that hillary is using, or do they have some idea that hillary can be as nasty as she wants to be, and everyone should just be nice about it? perhaps if their candidate had run a decent and fair campaign, didn't lie, didn't use bs like jeremiah wright to her advantage (when she clearly knows better), then maybe the obama supporters wouldn't be so "mean."

it is unrealistic to think that people should just be nice when they witness this relentless thuggish effort to tear someone down, when that someone is trying to be above that kind of nastiness. and to see people out there rallying for someone who is behaving like a thug - how in the world can these people expect civility? they want civility from the other team but have no problem with their team leader being thuggish and lowbrow.

[MsLiz]

Each of us is responsible for our own utterances. No one can make us call anyone names.

[GoodGuysandBadGuys]

thats true, however as I said above: it is unrealistic to think that people should just be nice when they witness this relentless thuggish effort to tear someone down. they cannot expect civility when the person they support has been as nasty as the people she has criticized for 30 years. if they want to support someone like that, then they should expect that they are going to be on the receiving end of hostilities. comes with the territory.

[marc1antony]

Hillary has no shame or remorse for the dead because of her lack of judgment. Her fund raiser that was infiltrated by Code Pink, asked that she apologize for her Obliterate Iran. Her zombie supporters cheered her on, and she responded "I hope he didn't step on the cookies"... Her "let them eat cake" Moment -
See for yourselves

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/11/93213/5165/962/513634

[ErinOK]

Wow...just wow. Her first concern is the cookies.

[ohmercy]

"I don't recall any other primary where the other side has been a little bit abrasive like this," said Bell, the retired lawyer from Shepherdstown. "That's just their style, and it can sometimes come off as harsh."

heh.
Talk about an understatement.

I love southerner's. So polite even when thugs spend an inordinate amount of time and energy thinking up purile insults and ways to top the neocons.

So cute.

[MsLiz]

Ohmercy, when a Southerner tells you "bless your heart," you have been given the finger.

[ohmercy]

oh, thanks...

well bless your heart then.

[Nonamnesiac]

The only people who can be supporting Hillary now are racists who would not have voted for Obama anyway. I know many Whites excuse their racism by saying they are not racist while always taking racist positions. That's the Hillary base, and it appears, hard core supporters among the politically knowledgeable also. Her remarks about "hard working" Whites were 100% racist and she has reaffirmed those remarks rather than publicly apologized. All pundits, the McAulieffes, Hillary Rosens, etc. who continue to support her are also racists, as they should have publicly told her to apologize and endosred Obama when she refused to do so.

As opposed to the stupid, useless Dixiecrats -- racist, barbaric, poor morons who vote Republican because of the Civil Rights Movement even though Republicans make them poorer and push wars that kill and maim their kids -- Reagan Democrats will, reluctantly, in the end, vote for Obama because they are more committed to surviving economically than they are racist and will overcome their racist instincts because McCain's economic policies will simply continue the Reagan/Bush 1 and Bush 2 economic war on them.

As for the Dixiecrats, screw them. Dems won't get them until Dixiecrats start voting for higher taxes to provide quality education to their kids. With some exceptions, that's not happening yet.

[Nonamnesiac]

Another difference between moron Dixiecrats and Reagan Democrats is Reagan Democrats are solidly anti-war, more so than the Hillary Clintons of the world, because although they fought patriotically in the Vietnam War, they learned such wars simply waste lives and limbs while harming the U.S. Although they are willing to fight in wars in the interests of the US, they are for immediate, safe withdrawal of our troops from Iraq, much quicker than the pundits and pols call for, although their poll responses are guarded. Those people will vote Obama over McCain even though they respect McCain for his service, because they know McCain's a warmongerer. They know (better than most) that no possible outcome in Iraq is worth one more American life or limb or any US treasure. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me -- and they know they were fooled once on Vietnam.

Dixiecrats will simply support their kids being killed and maimed in any war the President declares, no matter how clear it is that the war is being fought against the interests of the US and in the interests of the enemies of the US. The Dixiecrats would vote for warmongerer McCain even if the race issue wasn't there. Warmongering is icing on the racist McCain cake.

[MsLiz]

As a wise boss once told me, "You don't have to say everything you think."

My god, could you be more insulting to the people we need to vote Democratic in November? There are still people out there who never heard of Obama until last year, and are uncomfortable voting for someone they perceive as inexperienced. People perceive things differently, through filters. People who reach conclusions which differ from our conclusions aren't necessarily wrong.

You are so quick to pass judgment; what does that say about you? What kind of ___ist are you?

[DMW1]

I'm an Obama supporter, but I strongly disagree. I'm sure there are Hillary supporters who would like to see a woman in the White House, or who feel her plan for Universal health care is better, or who simply prefer her personality over Obama as they are close on many issues.

It is not only wrong and to label Hillary supporters as racist, but also divisive. The primaries will be over in just a few short weeks. Let the process finish and let's show some respect to the Hillary supporters who have defended their candidate as staunchly as those of us who have defended Obama.

It's hard to stop the sniping and bickering (I've been guilty of it too) when passions have been aroused and tempers have flared in this process, but it's time to calm down, practice patience and show respect for those who disagree with us.

[kcam44]

I agree, however I strongly believe that Hillary has deliberately invoked this race thing lately. To say that "white-working class" voters will not vote for Obama in November (publicly), is sending a strong message to her "white supporters". I think it's a subliminal message to people who are already racists, and it's gets them fired up and angry. The message is clear: rednecks please do not vote for this black man. No disrespect to white people, but I really believe that (I could be wrong)

[GoodGuysandBadGuys]

"Let the process finish and let's show some respect to the Hillary supporters who have defended their candidate"

----
the behavior of the candidate is not worthy of any respect. and people who support that kind of behavior, well, kinda hard to say they deserve any respect either.

[Nonamnesiac]

I agreed with you right until the remarks she made about Obama being unable to get "hard working" White votes. I believed the campaign should play itself out and have opposed the screams for her to end her campaign. I'm not emotional about Obama. I dislike his opposition to single payer, universal health care. I dislike his position on refusing to commit to immediately, safely withdrawing all US troops and contractors from Iraq. I dislike his actual (as opposed to his rhetorical) position on NAFTA and free trade -- he supports unbridled free trade. Just a couple of months ago he supported the Peru Free Trade Agreement which is a clone of NAFTA with respect to environmental and labor protections.

Hillary has run much of her campaign in the "OJ Multiple Meaning Zone" -- the part of the public discourse where Blacks and Whites disagree regarding what's racist and what's not. However in this instance, she has been outright racist and anyone still supporting her after those comments is racist in my opinion.

[ohmercy]

THANK YOU!!!

[NoahVail]

3rd attempt to place this post in this thread.

I think as soon as Hillary's supporters turn around and start going UP on the UP escalator, and stop going the wrong way, trying to drag Obama DOWN, then they will find Barack's supporters to be very nice. Until then, they are going to be engendering much animosity- especially if they keep playing the race card.

[MsLiz]

How about us being the first to offer a handshake? Don't wait to be nice.

[shinybear]

That would require an opponant who admited defeat.

With the Clinton's, there is little opportunity to be gracious.

[dartagnan]

These poor people are delusional -- it's very sad. Fortunately there are not that many of them, and the vast majority of Hillary supporters will coalesce behind Obama and get on with the all-important task of defeating John McBomb aka Bush III in November.

[ohmercy]

I guess that will depend on the Obama camp and his supporters. Given the level of hate mongering, patronizing, insulting, malice, lack of respect on any level that has been heaped on Clinton and her supporters I'm not sure about the majority. Though many of Hillary's supporters will suck it up and will support Obama on principle there are many more who will not unless there is some turn around in the behavior of his supporters. It is sad because they are the ones who originally were delighted with both candidates and would have joyfully voted for Obama even though Clinton had been their first choice.
I guess you can't hate, attack, insult, teardown, ostracize, belittle, demean, diminish, mischaracterize, distort, call names and marginalize with impunity.
Huh, words really do matter.
Imagine that.

I guess its all up to you.

[GoodGuysandBadGuys]

"Given the level of hate mongering, patronizing, insulting, malice, lack of respect on any level that has been heaped on Clinton and her supporters I'm not sure about the majority."

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and clinton has done NOTHING to deserve that, I guess.

[Hillbug]

If you won't vote for the Democratic nominee, no matter who it is, because of SOME of their SUPPORTERS, then there will only be you to blame when McCain becomes president and drags the US further past the point of no return.

It's sickening to me when I see people say things like that because it's so ILLOGICAL. Not only are there JUST as many "hate mongering, patronizing, insulting, malicious, disrespectful" Hillary supporters as there are Obama supporters, but I mean, that NO reason not to vote for someone. Base the candidates on what THEY say, and what THEY do, not on what RANDOM supporters on the INTERNET say and do. I say that not only to Hillary supporters, but Obama supporters too.

[shinybear]

They are the kind of people who will be paying off the Clinton debt.