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Hillary Agonistes: Why Doesn't She Concede?

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May 13, 2008 11:06 PM


About Thomas B. Edsall

Thomas B. Edsall is the political editor of the Huffington Post. He is also Joseph Pulitzer II and Edith Pulitzer Moore Professor at the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism. From 1981 to 2006, he was a political reporter at the Washington Post. He is the author of Chain Reaction and Building Red America. Tom can be reached at edsall@huffingtonpost.com.


As the odds get longer and longer, the obvious question is: Why doesn't Hillary Clinton gracefully concede defeat and throw her support behind her party's defacto nominee, Barack Obama?

As my colleague at Salon, Walter Shapiro puts it: "What motivates her? Is it ambition, pride, feminism, vindication, public service or ideology? Or is it some combination of all of them?"

Mary Sanchez, writing for the Kansas City Star, is more blunt: Hillary should scram:

'A lady always knows when to leave the party.' Or so my mother used to say. It's time for Hillary Clinton to take a tip and leave - not the party, of course, but the presidential race....She should save her political future and concede the nomination to Obama. The Democratic Party's chances to win the White House are at stake now, not just her own career. Or her husband's ambitions, if it is he who is pushing her to continue in a race she cannot win.

The decision, Peter Keating, former senior writer for politics at George who
now covers sports business for ESPN, suggests is "how much she wants to hurt Obama. And when she equated 'white Americans' with 'hard-working Americans' in attacking Obama last week, she signaled that she's still willing to campaign destructively. As long as Hillary is playing with her knife collection, she can make Obama bleed."

Michael Crowley has his own interesting take:

[O]ne gets the overall impression that the Clintons feel Obama shouldn't be here in the first place--that this 'young man's' very claim to power is itself questionable. In this sense, the Clintons may be victims of their own sense of victimhood. The vileness of the Clintons' past enemies seems to have convinced them that their enemies always are, by definition, in the wrong. And that Obama's candidacy is almost like another illegitimate attempt to steal a White House that, in some sense, belongs to them.

Speculating on the Clintons' motives and what they hope to achieve has become the media parlor game of the moment. To add my own two cents worth, I suspect, but have no way of knowing, that she is:

*Praying for a devastating anti-Obama story -- Jeremiah Wright-Tony Rezko squared - to surface and turn the Illinois Senator into an unacceptable candidate in the eyes of the media and convention delegates. This is clearly a long-shot, and presumably her aides have no such story in reserve or it would have already seen the light of day.

*Convinced, correctly, that after running a lousy campaign she has finally hit her stride as reflected in her solid victories in Texas, Ohio and, on Tuesday, in West Virginia. These victories, in her eyes and in the eyes of many of her aides, demonstrate that Obama is an empty suit weighed down with general election liabilities that are only coming to light at the close of the nomination process.

*Psychically unable to accept defeat -- after first believing she was the anointed candidate, and then, after losing her superstar status, clawing her way back into contention in an extraordinary display of grit.

Opinions on this subject are a dime a dozen. Just go to RealClearPolitics and get your fill for free.

The more important issue is that Hillary's continued battle for the nomination, no matter how futile and no matter what the motivation, has consequences. One of the best analyses of the likely consequences is by June Kronholz in the Wall Street Journal.

"What is clear," Kronholz writes, is that "when challengers refused to concede and instead pursued the nomination into the convention," their party's nominee got beaten in November. She cites Ronald Reagan's 1976 challenge to Gerald Ford, Senator Edward M. ('Teddy') Kennedy's 1980 bid to unseat Jimmy Carter, and Senator Gary Hart's insurgency against Walter Mondale in 1984.

Ford, Carter and Mondale all faced uphill general election struggles, no matter what kind of primary fights they had, while this year the "Democrats have the electoral winds at their back," she notes. But, Kronholz concludes, "a long, ugly nominating battle that splits the party still could cost it the White House."

For Hillary, there may be very little downside in staying in the race until the bitter end, or at least until the final delegates are selected on June 4.

Under once scenario - Obama gets the nomination but loses to John McCain - Clinton could begin her 2012 campaign on November 5, 2008, as a vindicated politician, using the narrative that she was the better candidate.

Under the alternative scenario - Hillary promptly concedes and Obama wins the presidency - she may well have lost her one shot at the highest office in the land, and the White House and the power, prestige and status that goes with it, will be forever out of her reach - a intensely painful prospect.

 
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Because if she quits before Obama has the required number of delegates, her supporters will rightly feel that she was hounded from the race by the media - and that includes liberal media like Huff Post. These voters will likely be lost to Obama if that happens. Let the race go on until the fat lady sings. When Obama wins fair and square, Hillary voters won't feel cheated and can gracefully return to the fold.

By the way, you liberal? Clinton bashers are no better than Republicans with your ad hominum vitriol. You will never get a perfect candidate and you will find out that Obama is no exception. They will all make mistakes and take some positions you disagree with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 AM on 05/18/2008

Clinton's still in the 'race' because, under campaign finance law, if she quits before the convention, her campaign is unable to raise funds to pay back the millions of dollars Clinton has lent it. She'll be out MILLIONS if she quits. She knows there's no way in hell she's ever getting the nomination. This is about not losing a mind-boggling sum of money. Google is your friend!

Further, as for these imaginary states that Obama can't win, even ignoring the fact that generally the spreads between candidates were damn close: Democrats will vote for Obama come November. If you give me a choice between steak and lobster and I choose lobster, it doesn't mean that I hate steak. Come November, when the choice is between steak and cat s%^t, I'm picking the steak.

And can we stop hearing about the magical popular vote in Michigan? Clinton was the ONLY CANDIDATE ON THE BALLOT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 05/17/2008

If it's true that Sen. Clinton's campaign is $20 million in the hole, then she may be staying in the race to gather in whatever additional donations she can get to help pay down the debt. Wouldn't be the first time a politician went that route.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 05/17/2008

Who would throw their money away at this point. Nobody has money to give someone who's losing. That don't make any sense to me. She's got more money than most folks have. She won't miss that 20 million as much as we can miss our heard earned funds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 05/17/2008

Amazing. Clinton supporters still think Hillary won Texas, and Edsall even quotes someone who thinks it was a "solid" win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 05/17/2008

the truth is ain't no Dem gonna take the texas electoral votes. Its a solid red state

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 05/17/2008

Two Questions for Obama and Clinton supporters:

1. If Hillary Clinton is put on the Obama ticket as the vice-presidential candidate, will you angry Clinton supporters vote for the ticket, sit out the election, or vote for McCain?

2. If Hillary Clinton is put on the Obama ticket, will you Obama supporters be so disappointed that you won't vote for the Obama/Clinton ticket?

Answers anybody?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 05/17/2008
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I am a Obama support and will not accept Hillary as a VP or ... for the reason that she voted for the Iraq war and again that Kyle-Lieberman Iran resoulation. Her track record just show she is either stupid as Bush or she has no idea how to run the country. Look at her campain, from the start she was a front runner and speak a language that I am day one ready to change to that I can win the electroical vote then the new one that is "white hard working American voted for me" (according to AP).

I had lost my confidence on her since her vote for the war. Now, I just pitty her. So, Hillary stay as long as you want but please don't attach yourself to Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 05/17/2008

Are you saying that if Clinton is the VP, you would then either sit out the election, or vote for McCain?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 05/17/2008

I hope Senator Hillary Clinton is not on the ticket. If she is on the ticket she will only claim that Senator Obama won because of her. If Obama loses she will still say he lost because she wasn't on the ticket. If Obama is going to lose i rather he loses on his own. For all of the Hillary supporters who say they won't support Obama, don't complain when a republican is back in office and 1 million people lose their home, jobs, health insurance, and gas reaches $10 dollars a gallon. A lot of people might end up out of work, homeless, and starving but they can say at least we will be safe since national security is what most people keep saying is their reason for not liking Obama. Hillary keep asking why Obama can't close the deal. Maybe someone needs to ask Hillary why is the deal still open. Hillary is the one who came into this race with the so-called 35 years experience, a husband who was president for 2 terms, the first lady for 8 years, all this national security experience from all over the world, praising McCain and herself with having all this experience and Obama only having a speech. McCain closed the deal. What happened to Hillary? Why is the deal still going on for this long and she is not even in the lead? Oh one more thing. Did national security exist when 9/11 happened?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 05/17/2008

JazzComedian---A poll in the June's Harpers says 1/5 of Obama supporters would not vote for H.C
and 1/4 of H.C supporters would not vote Obama.

But then it went on to say in the last election 51% of McCain supporters said they wouldn't vote for Bush in March 2000 and by oct. that was down to 39%.Guess that goes to show time heals some wounds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 05/17/2008
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I went to the 1984 convention. Nobody was wringing their hands about Gary Hart and Jesse Jackson staying in the race, and neither of them were ahead in the popular vote. Funny how a woman runs for president and suddenly it's open season. Sen. Obama "has work to do", according to the pundits, in getting people to vote for him in the fall. Well, maybe if his surrogates weren't so busy denigrating Hillary Clinton every five minutes, this wouldn't be the case. Way too late to put that genie back in the bottle. A line has been crossed. Even Rep. George Miller here in the Bay Area joined the mudfight yesterday, mocking Clinton on camera about her "200 scenarios for winning, including an asteroid strike". Way to show your respect for a U.S. senator and first viable female candidate for president, George. Never mind the 200 acts of sabotage by your own party leadership trying to rig this election for Obama. Never mind that Karl Rove and the neoconservatives have been promoting Obama since they rigged his U.S. senate election in Illinois in 2004. (Must be some reason for that, don't you think?) Never mind that Hillary Clinton would be the most progressive, pro-human rights president we've ever had. No, it's more important to indulge in hatred than it is to make a rational decision that will make or break the planet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 05/17/2008

I know it may be tough to accept what's happened, but I am getting sick and fscking tired of this "you're picking on her because she's a woman" line.

No.

She has shown that she has trouble telling the truth, values her own ambition over reality, and is willing to sacrifice everyone around her to win.

Those are serious and disqualifying character flaws, and it would be just as true if she were a man. These are bad characteristics for a president. Just look at the current sorry occupant of the Oval Office. Do you not see that character matters? Gender -- and race, for that matter -- are completely irrelevant.

Stop this. Please.

Clinton is living in fantasy land, and you're just enabling her destructive delusions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 05/17/2008
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Didn't you read his entire post? He's just a troll, here to spew BS in hopes that someone will take the bait.

Ignore him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 05/17/2008

Hillary has taken up the banner that seems to be a trend in America nowadays. We have this ideology of talking like WWF wrestlers or the way Boxers used to mouth off a lot before a game. Talk tough,never admit that you could be wrong or lose or know when to shut up. It's sort of how Texans act everyday. I guess it's really catching on. In order to win we destroy the village. Hey that sounds awfully like a Hillary axiom.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 05/17/2008

Ms. Clinton is now functioning as politicians often do as they go about their political activities. They become disconnected from the realities on the so called ground. Or grass roots or connection to the political enviroment as it is at the moment. They are only surrounded by mostly the cheering crowd and they are consequently deaf.

As in office positions such as senators or reps. they exist in their cacoons surrounded by others of the same mind set and far removed from the common people who put them there. They hear nothing, see nothing, speak nothing outside their enviorment.

Clinton is surrounded by those obsessed with wining and cannot and will not except any other possibility. Consequently they will all go down together in humiliation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 05/17/2008

Better to go down fighting, than to give in to the inexperienced, deceptive, ruthless, divisive, black liberation theology believing, race-card throwing Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 05/17/2008

He does learn fast, and from the best.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 05/17/2008

It seems you don't have problem embracing the KKK liberation theology. When Hillary addressed the 'uneducated hard working whites' it was Obama's fault. Yeah..that's the ticket. Obama made Bill and Hill use racially divisive comments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 05/17/2008

hinnis, I note that you have dropped "dangerous" from your usual litany of perjorative adjectives. Good for you! That is a step in the right direction. Today I have a new question for you. Namely, what do you like best about Hillary Clinton? I have noticed a distinctive pattern in your posts. You hate Obama with an irrational passion (hmmm . . . .) and you say lots of warm, fuzzy things about McCain (hmmmm . . . . . . .). Strangely, though, for a supposed Clinton supporter, you never say anything positive about her. I wonder why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 05/17/2008

your links to Cone were interesting, and probably would not go over well with many in the white community , if they took them at face value. There are many in the black community they might not do any good either, if they take them at face value.

He's really just saying that God stands where the poor and dispossessed are , but by the constant couching of it in terms of black and white , it appears to be aimed at destroying whites, when what it wants to convey is to destroy those kind of attitudes of entitlement and superiority.

While I understand what he's getting at and admired Rev Wright's ability to lay down truths about our country- this kind of "God's chosen people" dogmas are responsible for way too many of the world's problems now. The isrealis use the same rationale to dispossess a country of it's inhabitants and deny them human rights.

Its dangerous stuff.it might have useful when it was conceived but I think today calls for another tactic.Although I thought Obama was kind of disloyal to Wright , I have to say now, after reading Cone , it was probably a good idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 05/17/2008

You and gorillaman are not winning any supporters here but the ones like you. Thank God there are not many like you.

Obama don't deserve the garbage you two are spewing regularly. Why are you so hate-filled? I know you can't have any religious beliefs because it's against all that is right to hate. If you're agnostics, well that still shouldn't give you a reason to hate. You are stuck in a time that has long since past. By the time you reach the future, we will all be gone.

Are you happy being so antagonistic? Do you like yourselves for being so ugly? Do not care that people think you are disgusting? What's up with you? Are you satanic and love to wallow in hatred and pain?

Life is better than that. People are better than that. If you don't know that then you are very lost. And I feel for you both.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 05/17/2008
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I gave money to the John Edwards campaign because I believed in what he was saying and I also believed it needed to be said. When he quit I was very dissappointed and would have been content to see him stay in the race just to deliver the message.

Hillary knows her supporters feel the same way about her as I did about John Edwards. Someone needs to stand up there and deliver the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 05/17/2008

and deliver the truth...

Which is that if we don't have either of the candidates full heartedly endorse the other within next 2-3 weeks, we as democrats can kiss our victory goodbye! In this case the loosing candidate's agony is precisely what will anchor the this democratic campaign down in all likelihood.

To really be a good leader it is a must to be able to sacrifice your personal interest for the sake of common good, and if you can't, well.. than you simply aren't one!

Dem 08!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 AM on 05/17/2008

Many ask 'Why won't Hillary concede?', sometimes the question is complicated and the answer is simple; because everyone expects her to! Human pride is a very powerful tool and detriment, which it will be for Hillary, remains to be seen. Time will tell...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 05/16/2008

If you were on a stage with millions watching, and you loved being a star, how long would you go on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 05/17/2008

Perhaps you aren't seeing the big picture. Hillary may be staying in the race, sacrificing her own political presidential aspirations to help protect against the threat of another Republican in the White House. She is taking hits for her country.

If this were a two man race who do you think would be gettting all the positive press. (Hint: This week he is pretending to be Nostradamus. Next week he will be his opposite)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 05/16/2008

I see it as a good thing that Hillary stay in at least through Puerto Rico's primary. Obama is not like to do well in Kentucky or Puerto Rico, according to the last polls I read, and if Hillary is in there would be no embarrassment to Obama for not winning these states. Then, with a big win in Oregon he can truly take over.
So, I agree with the above post and just wanted to add my 2¢

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 05/16/2008

Unfortunately would Obama's constituency even vote for her in large enough numbers to save the country.? Whether right or wrong it is doubtful they could they overlook what they feel have been "dirty tactics " ( not my personal take, but obviously widely held on Huffpo) on her part , which even could she win, could make her presidency problematic.Ideally you 'd want to have a large swathe of people on your side, not hating you, willing to apply the pressure where it's needed to achieve your main objectives right off the bat, while the Repugs are still demoralized.A few mistakes later and the Repugs will have reorganized their minions.

We will need motivated people just as much after the election..personally I see little difference between the candidates ,but who can unite the Dems more easily afterward.?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 05/16/2008

Hillary Clinton would not still be in this race if there wasn't a really good reason. Her strategy may not benefit HER in the presidential race but perhaps her strategy is to help the COUNTRY dispose of the threat of another Republican in the white House by keeping the Democratic party in the news.

If this were a two man race right now who do you think would get the better press? (Hint: The party that owns the media.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 05/16/2008

Beware of Operation Chaos on the message boards. It is very possible that some--if not most disgruntled "democrats" are indeed republican activists trying to sow discord. There is only one way McCain can win and that is if he can divide the democrats and get them to destroy themselves. McCain has problems with factions of his own party. If the republican operatives can just plant seeds of discord--they can win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 05/16/2008

And let me guess, as a Hillary supporter, I'm a Republican Chaos operative.

Oooooh, are you a shithead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 05/16/2008
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You need to learn logic as well as manners. ccrnjr said that some (possibly most) disgruntled dems on message boards are repubs. Some does not mean all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 05/16/2008

?? Did we read the same post? No reference to Hillary supporters in the post, just to repub tactics. They just love to sow discord wherever they can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 05/16/2008

Not at all. As others have pointed out, "some" does not equal "all." Still, as one set of exit polls stats and opinions demonstrate some of the truth in this. Looking at the approx. 6% voters who admitted crossing over from the Right side of the aisle to vote for Clinton in Indiana. When asked, 6 out of 10 of those Republicrats said they were voting for John McCain in the fall. That means those votes (about 4%) in Indiana that helped her have a 2% win mischief voted, and won't be there in the fall for her. That was a state where she won by 2%. Carried further: Without the mischief vote tallied, she actually *lost* Indiana by 2%.

Ditto in Texas where she had a 3% primary "win" but only after including a 5% Republican cross-over vote tally for her. Subtract the 6 out of 10 and suddenly she didn't win that primary either (and the primary results are in closer agreement to caucus results).

And this may even be a charitable read. It seems the smart mischief voters would say "I voted for Obama" after voting for Clinton. Makes the win seem all the more outstanding when/if it occurs. Meaning? I don't feel any confidence that the 4 out of 10 would be there for her in the fall either.

Which means that some of those "devastating" Big State wins were actually losses, but glossed-over by mischief votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 05/17/2008

Agreed. And, that's been there since the race narrowed down to Clinton/Obama

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 05/16/2008

She doesnt concede because the majority of the democratic party has elected her. You do realize we don't have national elections -- states have elections and the winner from that state counts as a vote. Obama has gotten where he is primarily through victories in these small red states. The Blue and swing states have voted for Clinton 2 to 1. Once again, the Dem party has been f--ked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 AM on 05/16/2008

The red counties in the blue and swing states have voted for Clinton. Counties where, in the general election, McCain will get at least two votes for every one that Clinton or Obama would get.

The blue counties in the blue and swing states have voted for Obama. These counties have the demographic that Obama turns out in much higher numbers - the numbers needed to offset those red counties margins.

There are more that three swing states in the country. There are more like thirteen.

Obama is the only candidate who currently polls ahead in every state that Al Gore won in 2000.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 05/16/2008

Bless you Jack.

I'm "stealing" your post for when it may be handy over the next few weeks (but I'm double-checking it anyway; just the way i feel better about spouting important data).

Thanks. Bottom-line: Everything I've been able to find about most of the anti-Obama spin out there is just a continuous spew of nontroversies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 AM on 05/17/2008

And you suggest that "true blue" Democrats will not vote for the nominee of the Democratic party? Then, it seems reasonable to suppose these alleged "blue" states is not really that Blue.

What True Blue would vote for McCain just because one Democratic candidate won over another? Or is it just that pure emotion is trumping reason?

Perhaps, as evidenced by recent special elections where Democrats are taking elected offices away from Republicans in the deep-Red states is an indication that the old map has changed. After 30 years of our government being mostly run by the Reagan neocon overthrow of the republic, it appears the public are finally waking to the fact that "business as usual" means losing jobs, losing the middle class, losing control over one's own body, losing the right to privacy, privatizing the very core of almost every governmental department, the intelligence community and the military.

There is the possibility here of a Blue Wave washing away the disease settled over our country, and the only ones who can prevent that are the Democrats themselves -- by not supporting the candidate who is winning the race to nomination.

It *is* that simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 05/17/2008

Obama's own words, buried by the media and his robotic followers. You can't argue with words because they do matter.

Quotes from the Audacity of Hope, from the 'Great Unifier" Barack Obama. Want to know him, read his book. Of course, that's asking a bit, isn't it?

From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'

From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mothers race.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'

From Dreams of My Father: ; 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 05/17/2008
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She has No Exit Strategy, she thought she'd have this all wrapped up by Super Tuesday

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 05/16/2008
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